Double Crossword

Choice of cryptic or quick puzzle, and (just in case you've been wracking your brains) yesterday's solutions.

Cryptic puzzle

Across

1. Decidedly efficient following training initially (4)

3. Barker is a bounder (8)

8. To carry on operations in a kind of shop (4)

9. Put coal into different place (8)

11. It's designed to indicate current measures (12)

13. Ignore rearrangement of a district (6)

14. Use an instrument round the top of the roof to break in (6)

17. View that offers little cheer to the prospector (5,7)

20. Records kept at the saw-mills? (3-5)

21 and 23 Across. Rank and generations shown by family trees (8)

22. Cut off a certain length of the port facilities (8)

23. See 21 Across

Down

1. The same stakes for the old ladies (8)

2. Front support the golfer used round the end of the tee (7)

4. Professional heavyweight makes a bit of a positive charge (6)

5. It's not enough in the present era to balance things out (10)

6. The appearance of chaps, we hear (5)

7. Telephone call that is the best man's responsibility (4)

10. There's room for experimentation here (10)

12. Saw knees unstable because of poor condition (8)

15. Horticulture is on the increase (7)

16. Movable seat required for the biker (6)

18. Reason the end of the string is in a tangled coil (5)

19. The first of the skiers went in front of the toboggan (4)

Quick puzzle

Across

1. Attention (4)

3. Submissive (8)

8. Repetition (4)

9. Downfall (8)

11. Unaided (6-6)

13. Unharmed (6)

14. Threefold (6)

17. Far-ranging (4-8)

20. Lively (8)

21. Stock (4)

22. Stiffness (8)

23. Rouse (4)

Down

1. Privation (8)

2. Quenched (7)

4. Frustrate (6)

5. Decline (10)

6. Dodge (5)

7. Bound (4)

10. Scoundrel (10)

12. Protector (8)

15. Feast (7)

16. Straight (6)

18. Due (5)

19. Equitable (4)

Wednesday's solutions

CRYPTIC

Across: 1 Nationalist; 9 Outpost; 10 Not on; 11 Media; 12 Long ago; 13 Number; 15 Bedlam; 18 Minster; 20 Fight; 22 Nicer; 23 Tornado; 24 Bewhiskered

Down:2 Acted; 3 Isolate; 4 Nettle; 5 Lenin; 6 Set sail; 7 Commandment; 8 Information; 14 Monocle; 16 Enforce; 17 Brutes; 19 Torch; 21 Grave

QUICK

Across: 1 Acknowledge; 9 Traitor; 10 Space; 11 Alter; 12 Endless; 13 Goodly; 15 Bandit; 18 Therapy; 20 Trail; 22 Aware; 23 Instant; 24 Protagonist

Down:2 Craft; 3 Natural; 4 Worsen; 5 Eased; 6 Go-ahead; 7 Straightway; 8 Versatility; 14 Open-air; 16 Artisan; 17 Dyeing; 19 Avert; 21 Amass