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The girl China didn't want you to see…



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Published Date: 13 August 2008
SHE was the stunning voice of a new China, but not its face.
While Yang Peiyi, seven, sang a moving rendition of Ode to the Motherland which charmed a worldwide audience during the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games, she was deemed by the government not pretty enough to appear in front of an audience numbering in the hundreds of millions.

Instead, in another example of the government's media manipulation, nine-year-old Lin Miaoke, wearing a bright red dress and pigtails, mimed to Peiyi's words in front of the 91,000 spectators at the National Stadium and TV audiences globally.

The revelation follows confirmation that part of the fireworks display during the opening ceremony was faked and vast swathes of empty seats were being filled by "cheerleaders" brought in by authorities to put the best possible face on the Beijing Olympics.

The decision to combine the "perfect" face and voice of two different girls was made by a Politburo member who watched a live rehearsal shortly before the ceremony. He insisted Miaoke's voice, which was previously deemed good enough for the chorus, "must change" as it was not suitable for a solo.

Chen Qigang, the ceremony's musical director, said: "We decided to put Lin Miaoke on the live picture while using Yang Peiyi's voice.

"The reason for this is we must put our country's interest first. The girl on the picture must be flawless in terms of her facial expression and the great feeling she can give to people."

He insisted it was fair to both girls as "we combined the perfect voice and the perfect performance".

Peiyi told a China Central Television reporter she did not feel slighted, and said having only her voice used for the opening ceremony was an honour.

Yet whether the move was unethical or unfair to both girls has become a hot topic among the Chinese and is racing across the country's blogosphere.

"The organisers really messed up," wrote Luo Shaoyang, 34, a retail worker in Beijing. "This is like a voice-over for a cartoon character. Why couldn't they pick a kid who is both cute and a good singer?"

Meanwhile, Chinese authorities confirmed footage of 29 firework "footprints" travelling across Beijing from south to north, which was a centrepiece of the opening ceremony and broadcast as live, involved pre-recorded and digital material.

A senior official from the Beijing organising committee (Bocog) confirmed yesterday that footage of the display had been produced before the big night. This was provided to broadcasters for "convenience and theatrical effects", according to Wang Wei, Bocog's executive vice-president.

The concern was that not all the fireworks would fire and smog or poor weather conditions would cloud the images.

He added: "Because of poor visibility, some previously recorded footage may have been used."

Another example of the government manipulating images seen by viewers around the world is the decision to fill swathes of empty seats with ''cheerleader squads'' of volunteers. Despite every event at the Games being a sell-out, many have had large numbers of seats left vacant.

Organisers, who are also being pressurised by angry sponsors to make the vast Olympic Green more accessible to the public, have admitted they are now resorting to rent-a-crowd tactics. Volunteers are given yellow or red T-shirts and "thunder-sticks" and told to create a good atmosphere.

Last night, the lengths to which the Chinese authorities would go to present their Olympics in the best possible light were praised by commentators, who said it illustrated how far the Chinese have come.

Peter York, an advertising commentator, said: "This just goes to show they have as sophisticated a view of TV and vast events as we do.

"It was clever to have material (for the opening] ready to be fed directly to the TV.

"The fact is all of TV involves cheating. I just hope we in London are twice as good at cheating by 2012."

George Walden, author of China: A Wolf in the World? added: "I'm not sure this counts as trickery in the modern, virtual world. The effect was pretty enough.

"All it means is the Chinese are rapidly getting to be smart, up-to-date folk who will soon be on top of the PR game. They have come a long way since the Cultural Revolution."

The full article contains 732 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 13 August 2008 12:57 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: 2008 Olympics
 
1

Fanling,

Switzerland 13/08/2008 00:11:31
A classic piece of Scotsman provocation via the gob of Stephen McGinty and his headline writer. Itching for hysterical responses? Yep, they'll surely come, thick and fast, and predictable as ever. Same old story. The Scotsman newspaper is in terminal decline. More and more this paper resembles the cheapest and tackiest red-top.
2

Fanling,

Switzerland 13/08/2008 00:43:43
#2
Thanks. You are the first of the sane to respond, but beware the anti-deluge to follow. This paper has long since gone down the tubes as a respected news conduit.
3

Fanling,

Switzerland 13/08/2008 00:46:19
Lost from above ... to make an issue of this non-story is sheer hypocritical irresponsibility. McGinty needs to get a life, or a real job.
4

subrosa,

13/08/2008 01:04:27
#4

The story was on the BBC. Not the first time the Scotsman copies the EBC.
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henrymanchester,

UK 13/08/2008 01:26:02
Agreed. Not only propaganda but I would site anti- Chinese racism as a motive for this story being repeated here.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 13/08/2008 01:33:40
#5 subrosa

Yes. As I said above, it's in terminal decline. The headline, and what follows, really is a poor excuse for a once "quality" newspaper. Juvenile journalism and sinking fast under its own ineptitude.

This non-story is yet another poor attempt to whip up frenzied "interest" from the madder who post on these forums. You could find a similar type of story all over the world, but this rag chooses to make this one an issue of dubious international importance. How irresponsible and pathetic.
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Guga II,

Rockall 13/08/2008 01:55:34
The Chinese have been doing a lot of faking at the Gangster Olympics.

They faked the audiences to fill up empty seats, they faked the fireworks, and they faked the wee lassie singing at the opening. In the latter case, the Politburo of the Gangster government didn't consider the best singer, Yang Peiyi, aged 7, to be pretty enough, and got hold of a prettier one, Lin Miaoke, aged 9, to pretend she was singing. The original choice for singing was rejected as she was considered too old, at aged 10 years.

They have, of course, also been faking that everything is hunky-dory in Tibet, whilst they carry on with their policy of genocide against the Tibetan people.

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henrymanchester,

UK 13/08/2008 02:00:45
Tibet, you mean the Tibet that had one of the most oppressive class systems in the history of mankind?

That one you mean? Just checking, sounded like a different Tibet for a minute there...

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Fanling,

Switzerland 13/08/2008 02:21:38
#6 henry

You spotted that correctly. Shabby journalism.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 13/08/2008 02:22:38
#6 henry

You spotted that correctly. Shabby journalism.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 13/08/2008 02:26:11
This "newspaper" is so good it posted me twice.
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Guga II,

Rockall 13/08/2008 02:28:24
#10.

Your so-called "shabby journalism" has been reported in newspapers and other media all over the world, even in some of the blogs in China. So what's your problem, apart from being an apologist for the Gangster Chinese government?
13

Rabster,

13/08/2008 02:32:12
I don't see any reason at all why this shouldn't be reported. I think it's quite a powerful illustration of how desperate the organisers are to see China portrayed in a positive light that they would resort to telling a 9yr old to mime while hiding away the other one who wasn't quite pretty enough. It was the most read story on the BBC website for most of yesterday afternoon so you can hardly say it's not of interest to the public. There are plenty pointless stories in the Scotsman but this isn't one of them.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 02:53:06
"The girl China didn't want you to see…"

This has brought China haters out in droves but so what?

The opening ceremony will be remembered as the most dramatic and impressive and will not be topped in the foreseeable future by any country.

You people should remember that this is show business and not politicise EVERYTHING you read about China.

If London is to stage anything as competitive it will have to fake the whole thing.

You should hark back to the crimes committed by your your own Tony Blair and remember YOU put him there and fix up the dirty laundry on your own doorsteps before criticising others!

What is really shameful is the lack of recognition by you people as to the efforts put in by ordinary Chinese people over the years to put on such an impressive show.



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Rabster,

13/08/2008 03:05:03
#15 - I resent the implication that agreeing with this story makes me a "China-hater". I think the organisers are putting on an excellent show and have no doubt London will do the same. I don't think it justifies using 9yr old girls as props and jettisoning the one with the nice voice just because she doesn't look right.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 13/08/2008 03:22:25
#13 Guga

You'll need to break down that little nugget of info for me at this late hour. I have no "problem" as you allege. And I take offence at your casual allegation.

Just get this straight and get it right. I do not wish to repeat myself to serial carpers of your stripe: I am not an apologist for any government on this planet. Not now, not ever. You regularly hurl allegations at other posters, safe in the knowledge that you do it from the sidelines with no fear of actual physical repercussions. You are constantly derided and loathed on these forums for the same pathetic reasons.

I have studiously avoided responding to your other typically carping comments on here but you are pushing it now. You can prat on and on and on about your pet hate, the so-described "Gangster Chinese government", until the seas run dry. Your pet hate has bog-all to do with me. Remember that, if you can find it possible to do so.

Do not attempt to insult and harass me further. You clearly have issues which are beyond my remit. Do not use me as a conduit for your sickening hate. Get off out of my orbit. You have pushed this boat out far enough. You annoy so many people on this site. Just leave me out of range of of your irrational venom.

You have a problem with China? Suggestion: Go to Beijing and fix it if you are so "sincerely" concerned instead of "fighting" from the safety of the Comments Pages. Or try Burma, Iran, North Korea or any failed African state if you are feeling really brave. You are Everyman (in your dreams). Go to it. But leave me out of your sad and lonely world. I have an interesting life. You clearly do not.




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Guga II,

Rockall 13/08/2008 03:44:37
#17.

So a prat like yourself doesn't like criticism. Too bad. As for your statement "safe in the knowledge that you do it from the sidelines with no fear of actual physical repercussions", is that a threat? You're beginning to sound like the gangster government you so obviously admire - disagree with me at your peril, eh?

If you don't like my, or other people's comments, don't read them; but don't go on about other people carping when that is what you have been doing yourself. It also seems to be you that suffers from irrational hate, against anyone that disagrees with you. I'll bet you would have been a good book burner.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 13/08/2008 03:46:58
#17 I thought Guga had the monopoly on self importance!
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Guga II,

Rockall 13/08/2008 04:13:51
#19. Not in comparison with quite a number of people that post in this site.
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Anne,

Eaglesham 13/08/2008 06:47:04
Yan Peiyi is a pretty little girl in her own right.

Pathetic.
21

Boy Wonder,

13/08/2008 06:50:39
The lying leaders of China are exposed again. This time aided by the IOC.

And #21 you are right. Yan Peiyi IS a very pretty wee girl.

More reasons I'm glad I boycotted this deceitful event!
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Graeme,

Guangzhou 13/08/2008 06:53:03
# 17 I only know of one Fanling. Hong Kong? Anyway you certainly hit the nail on the head as regards Gaga!

This is a daft article overall. Any “show” is staged in one-way or another. That’s the whole point!

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Mashimaro,

China 13/08/2008 06:56:46
What is interesting about this is that certain elements of the media just cannot accept that China pulled it off, and pulled it off so well that it beat all ceremonies that have come before it and will likely remain the gold standard for ceremoneis to come for a while yet.
The use of the word "fake" is extremely provocative, given china's pirateering of goods - something I personally have no problem with as long as it doesn't extend to medicines etc for safety issues.
The fireworks were not "fake". Certain portions were simulated by computer for television viewers for safety reasons. Doh.
This singing is not "fake" it is lip synched. The same as many asian pop artists are lip synched. And in fact the same that a few western artists are lip synched. I mean please let us be honest here...when was the last time you had an "ugly" pop star? I think that would be Janice Joplin. Look at them and tell me that they got there on their singing talent. Ha!
So don't bring your false moral arguments here.
However, that the western media and its sympathisers are so desperate to have something to poke China, and this is the best they can do...I guess you'll just have to do your best, or worst.
I have to add here, that China also pulled off the most amazing feat in the equestrian section of the games. I wonder where the articles are about that!
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Cappo Del Monte,

13/08/2008 07:28:04
I see the mouth pieces of the dictatorship are present today, the dictatorship must have lowered the defenses in cyberworld to allow you to interact with the real world.
#24
Yes fake is a word well associated with China, fake clothing, cd's dvd's drugs weapons etc, it just goes to show, that when fake is associated with these games, it is well founded.
You only managed to "pull" off these games after evicting many thousands of people to build the arena's with near slave labour and intimidation.
You even have fake crowds, see that word again, i suppose they will be known as the fake games.
Why if you are so pro chinease do you insist on visiting these media sites, I am sure you can visit the chinease sites.
FREE TIBET
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Mashimaro,

China 13/08/2008 07:57:23
Dude, the crowds were not fake. I was there last night, the place was full to capacity.
26

James Donald,

Newbridge 13/08/2008 08:00:01
The Scotsman is just catching up with the rest of the British media:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2534499/Beijing-Olympic-2008-opening-ceremony-giant-firework-footprints-faked.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7556058.stm
http://news.scotsman.com/world/Walltowall-celebrations-as--Olympic.4370857.jp

Rather disappointing for Yan Peiyi and her parents to get this "nice voice, shame about the boat race" message but it was in the best interests of the country.......apparently.


27

Graeme,

Guangzhou 13/08/2008 08:19:10
# 25. The problem with all the China bashers is that they feel threatened (and the world should be). Work with China, not against it.

I make no bones about it. My pension is with China and India over the next ten years. But you would know best!

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Conan,

Oban & On To Mull 13/08/2008 08:28:22
The actual reason, in my opinion, that the little girl who actually did the singing was hidden away like a leper was that compared to the other faker girl she was insufficiently 'Han' in appearance ... nothing more or less than that drove the communist mafioso who run things in the worker paradise. I see one of the regular stooges of the Chinese mafia has opined, above, that China has listed more people out of poverty than any other country ever has, and done so faster. bear in mind that was done at the point of a gun, with no unions, no free press, few civil or human rights, no trial by jury, etc., etc. One can get a lot done when the population is constantly spied upon and sometimes killed by the communist slavemasters. In addition, that 'economic miracle' would only have been possible if the highly succesful democracies, whom this nitwit of an apologist for state murder, concentration camps, totalitarianism and Chinese fascism, corruption and communist mafia control holds in such low regard, had not opened to the Chinese people a way towards a better future than the old and dying Chinese Communist Party ever could have devised. You can't keep 1.3 billion people fooled forever - the time is coming when the populace of China will refuse to act like a herd of sheep ... and the sooner the better. In the meantime, the 70 million Chinese Communist Party members and their families and freinds are reaping (stealing) all they can before the gig is up.
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Nell,

Far from the Struan 13/08/2008 08:42:10
They could have used both girls.
After all you have a Chinese and half an hour later you're ready for another one.
30

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 09:19:39
#31 MacGillicuddy,

"By your reasoning all that any future games need is Steven Spielberg!"

No, he's wildly overrated. London should recruit Chen Qigang to oversee their preparations.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 09:59:16
#36 Scallywag

"East-West its all the same".

You were right in pointing out Colin Powell's lies to the world that were even more "sexed up" by Bliar that brought about the deaths and displacement of more than a million innocents but it's hardly the same when a seven year old child mimes a song that harms nobody.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 13/08/2008 10:11:37
From Chinadaily and example of the "meticulous planning" for the Olympic Games:

"China searches for Olympic medal ceremony hostesses with ideal looks
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2008-02-15 20:51
SHANGHAI - Young Chinese women whose "eye length is three-tenths of the face" and who have leveled shoulders and curvaceous thighs now have a competitive edge in joining the Olympic Games in August.
In another example of meticulous planning for the Summer Games, organizers are scouting for 40 hostesses among students in Shanghai's 10 universities -- with extremely detailed standards in appearance and body shape, local media reported.

According to the requirement, candidates should be between 18 and 24 and 1.68 and 1.78 meters in height. They should have a "ruddy and shiny complexion", "elastic skin" and "a plump but not fat body".

They should be built in such a way that helps demonstrate "the healthy and encouraging beauty of human bodies", added the requirement.

It also set strict standards on facial features, including the ratio between the "width of the nose and the length of the face", "width of the mouth and width between the pupils", Shanghai's Xinmin Evening News reported.

The candidates would also be judged from their demeanor and intellectual qualities by a panel of experts and have to go through three rounds of competitions before being selected.

Shanghai is the only place other than Beijing where Olympic organizers are searching for medal ceremony hostesses.



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Black Five,

edinburgh 13/08/2008 10:15:16
Does this bunch of despicibles with their spin and lies not remind you of a gang close to home ?
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13/08/2008 10:35:59
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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 11:31:13
How can the London Olympics match all this? What the British govt needs is a bunch of fakers to step up to the plate!

What do you mean they're already in place, led by that arch-faker, Seb Coe?!

It's faking ridiculous!
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 11:34:28
#39 James Donald

"China searches for Olympic medal ceremony hostesses with ideal looks"

Your derision is laughable as EVERY nation would do the same.

Do you expect London will comb the streets of Soho or the Gorbals to recruit their Olympic hostesses?

#44 Horrible Canker

"Many chinese women are also having eye and nose surgery to make them look 'Western'...its like something right out of 'Animal Farm'"

..and what is your opinion of the western cosmetic plastic surgery industry? Western women women are queueing up to correct their imperfections. You should give a little more thought to your posts as more often than not you make a complete twerp of yourself.


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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 11:44:48
#47,

HC doesn't need any tinkering, she's perfect.....
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 11:55:16
#49 MacGillicuddy

"And why would the noble Britpish Lords Coe and Moynihan NOT search Soho and the Gorbals?"

They may well be combing the streets of Soho already for purposes other than recruiting Olympic hostesses.



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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 11:57:27
#48 AJ Fife

"HC doesn't need any tinkering, she's perfect"

....So she keeps telling everyone.
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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 12:00:38
#52,

She is...believe me...she is....
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Scottie,

South Africa 13/08/2008 12:08:56
I think the girl who sang is cute and looks nice and natural, poor kid should have been allowed to be seen.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 13/08/2008 12:12:50
#47 Let's have the truth,Queensland - Don't hear you laughing....sense of humour failure perhaps?
I would imagine that the last Olympics where the stated requirements for hostesses included "width of the nose and the length of the face", "width of the mouth and width between the pupils" was Berlin 1936.
If in 2012 you read an advert in the Evening Standard for Olympic hostesses which states that they should be between 18 and 24 and 1.68 and 1.78 meters in height with "ruddy and shiny complexion", "elastic skin" and "a plump but not fat body" you will be sure to let me know, won't you?
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 12:17:10
#57

"If in 2012 you read an advert in the Evening Standard for Olympic hostesses which states that they should be between 18 and 24 and 1.68 and 1.78 meters in height with "ruddy and shiny complexion", "elastic skin" and "a plump but not fat body" you will be sure to let me know, won't you?"

Surely you know that would be a breach of advertising standards. No, the crux of the matter would be at the interview.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 12:25:03
#55 Horrible Canker

"So you are saying that this is what chinese women are doing when they ask the surgeon "Make me look western?".

Well, if AJ Fife is right in proclaiming you as perfect, do you blame them?

It is rubbish to claim that Chinese women are attempting to camouflage their racial origin. They merely feel that a more western appearance in their facial features is more attractive. However, I doubt that would be applicable in your case.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 13/08/2008 12:25:25
#58 Let's have the truth,Queensland - Are there no advertising standards in the workers' paradise?
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Media 1,

cape town 13/08/2008 12:27:08
Lets face it, they needed to put a pretty lassie on the telly.
Almost every company on the planet uses pretty people in their ads to sell their product, that is how it works and China is no different.
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13/08/2008 12:31:31
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 13:14:18
#62 Horrible Canker

"quite simple really I'm suprised that you cannot grasp it"

It is evident that you have not had a great deal of contact with Chinese people. Chinese people are among the most proud on earth and to forsake their nationality would not be considered.

They are DEFINITELY not having their facial features altered for the reasons you claim.

Conversely, one could say, by virtue of your claims, that British women are having plastic surgery, liposuction and whatever else they are having altered, to look more like Asian women as they generally look after their appearance and figure more than your average British equivalent.

You are pouncing on any trivial matter to criticise anything whatsoever Chinese. That is a pitiful personality trait.

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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 13:25:39
#64

Hear hear but they are too far gone for any renovations.
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Guga II,

Rockall 13/08/2008 13:39:27
#65 Stranger to the Truth.

It must be very difficult for you, living in a Western society and having to put up with all these Western women. How do you manage?

Incidentally, I think Asian women are gorgeous, including Chinese women and can't, for the life of me, see why they would want to make themselves look more Western.

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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 13:49:14
#67

It must be difficult for you too having to put up with all those western women if you find Asian women so gorgeous.
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Harry "Dingy" Reid,

Las Vegas 13/08/2008 14:46:18
Current Medal leaders, the USA has the most but these are also weighed with total gold.

# 1 – China (27) 17 gold
# 2 – United States of America (29) 10 gold
# 3 – S. Korea (13) 6 gold
# 4 – Italy (10) 4 gold
# 5 – Australia (12) 4 gold
# 6 – Japan (8) 4 gold
# 7 – Germany (7) 4 gold
# 8 – Russia (12) 2 gold
# 9 – Great Britain (7) 2 gold
#10 – Georgia (3) 2 gold
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Mashimaro,

China 13/08/2008 14:52:52
When you have a civilisation as old as China, your quest for perfection is extremely detailed. The standards here are very high - which is why few western people "measure up".
Chinese people study everything in the minutest of detail - which is why they are so good at copying things. In the past that has never been considered to be shameful. It was considered full time employment.
Now China - being strangely Chinese - would live up to its own exacting standards and show those standards to the world. If they are too much for you ... tough. We have our standards of beauty - even the standard of the smile (the perfect smile shows exactly 8 teeth) is considered.
I know you westerners find any old sloppy appearance acceptable. We do not. We have something called "taste", and strive for perfection in all things. Maybe you could learn something from this broader lesson and your teenagers wouldn't find it necessary to drink themselves into a stupor at night and fall down in their own vomit in the streets.
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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 15:18:12
#71,

The Chinese people in our local 'kerry oot' have barely 8 teeth among them!

However, I reckon you're right about the "paying attention to detail" - these guys count out the chips when serving up their Chicken Maryland speciality!

Do you deep fry bananas in China too?

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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 15:27:38
#74,

Do they peel them first?
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Guga II,

Rockall 13/08/2008 16:00:27
#67 Stranger to the Truth.

Not at all. I happen to think that all women are gorgeous.
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mike - across the pond,

oh mashi..... 13/08/2008 16:11:50
you have something called "taste"

really....

is that why DOG was removed from menus in over 150 restaurants in Beijing?

or does that fall under your commitment to showing the west how "perfect" you are?

really?

BTW, the quotes around "perfect" are western sarcasm...

and speaking of your "perfection"... I saw a National Geographic on the tallest woman in the world... she is Chinese, and had treatment for her pituitary condition that caused her "giant-ism" while in her early 20's... problem is she was a virtual invalid at age 34 because
1) her family couldnt afford to continue her treatment from her FIRST surgery (sounds remarkably like a BO advert doesnt it)...
2) her local hospital couldnt afford the $4,000 to operate on her again when the tumor began to grow again...
3) her local doctors were too vain to refer her to specialists who could treat her... so their "cure" was to just sent her home with a handful of vitamins

the end of the documentary showed her finally being treated in order to gain the strength to have the surgery to treat her pituitary condition.... if she lives that long...

China is NO different from the west, we are ALL prone to human frailties of vanity.... be it beurocrats, doctors, or politicians
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AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 16:13:52
Guga#77,

Makes you wonder why they don't sell steak and kidney pie!
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Mashimaro,

China 13/08/2008 16:55:49
Yes, as a matter of fact we do have taste, which is exactly WHY we removed dog from the menu - so as not to offend our foreign guests. The same cannot be said for westerners, however, who arrogantly assume the rest of their world is their colony.
Do not confuse poverty with a lack of asthetics.
Take a look at china you numpties. A real look. Ever walked in a chinese garden? They put the best of your to shame. You have no sense of symetry, of proportion, of balance between heaven and earth.
If someone defecates in a bed you give them an art award.
Do not presume to lecture us on what is taste. Haven't you got a street to go throw up in?
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Mashimaro,

China 13/08/2008 16:57:33
Call China what you like, fact is no country has lifted so many people out of poverty so fast.
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Rockall 13/08/2008 17:36:58
Freedom of the Press in China (from today's Sydney Morning Herald):

"A stunningly frank 21-point plan from the propaganda bureau was issued to editors and journalists and orders them to ignore hot international topics and any issues that may reflect negatively on the Olympic Games.

Banned are Tibet, Falun Gong, food safety issues, the three official protest parks and emergencies inside Olympic venues.

The blacklist comes as Chinese security forces assaulted and detained a British journalist yesterday as he was filming a pro-Tibetan rally several hundred metres from the Bird's Nest stadium.

Independent Television News China correspondent John Ray was dragged along the ground, his hands stamped on and his shoes removed before being detained for a short period after witnessing a pro-Tibetan rally at the Chinese Ethnic Culture Park by Students for a Free Tibet. Six of the students were arrested as they waved Free Tibet banners.

But news of the protest has been blacked out from the mainland Chinese press, as has news of the faked opening ceremony song, the Olympic connections of the murdered American tourist and the actress paralysed in rehearsals for the opening ceremony.

The mainland Chinese journalists have been instructed to use the official Xinhua news agency for stories about diplomatic ties between China and other nations."

So, Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit), what have you got to say about that?

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mike - across the pond,

ah mashi 13/08/2008 18:26:42
you missed the point pal....

my grandmother used to say "one man's garden is another man's weed patch..."

personally I'm not such a great fan of "chinese gardens"... its that "taste" thing... but MOST of we westerners stopped trying to MASH everyone thru the same mold a few generations ago... we consider that a sign of "enlightenment"...

and you?
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 13/08/2008 19:24:25
Remember the "Vote for the Fat Bloke" on 'uk' TV?

I feel that if we are to take a critical analysis of any nation state, we should do so over a period of time. China has managed to bring millions out of poverty (as said above) and the 'human rights' aspect has improved over time. Lot's more to do, I agree, but let's applaud the improvements.

As to the Chinese aesthetic: one example of this is evident in Chinese woodworking. Totally amazing.

The London Olympics group will chose a kid by her looks first and voice second. I agree that the Chinese Olympic authorities (not the entire Chinese country) should have let the singer have her moment. She will get a warm response at the closing ceremony but I hope that she remains oblivious to the media attention.



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Syed Ali,

Largo, Florida , USA 13/08/2008 20:23:38
The girl Yan Peiyi is beautiful enough to be on the stage and it was a mistake on chinese authorities not to show this girl. She deserve an apology and due credit.

Dr. syed ali
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Queensland 13/08/2008 23:19:18
#78

"Not at all. I happen to think that all women are gorgeous".

What,even Horrible Canker?
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/08/2008 23:38:37
Those taking every opportunity to nitpick everything Chinese are attempting to compensate for the abysmal olympic performances of their respective teams compared to the Chinese successes.

If whining was an olympic event I'm sure they'd have a host of gold medals.
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 00:17:29
#83 Yes, it is true the propaganda department attempts to tell the press what to run. That is it's job. That does not mean all media obeys.
Also, that the journalists hands were stamped on happened during the scuffle as a mistake. It wasn't part of any sort of officiallys sanctioned torture. Once again I would point out that if this had been America, he would have been tasered to death.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 14/08/2008 00:23:21
For the benefit of Horrible Canker and the like:

Tibet was a theocratic state based on feudalism prior to Chinese governance, the lamas and the feudal landlords who owned the lands of Tibet, and own every life on that land, boys in Tibet were forcibly taken by the monastery with regular molestation and rape. In theocratic feudal Tibet, torturing methods such as eye gouging and amputation were common as punishments for thieves and runaway slaves. Will the smiling Dalai Lama tell you these? of course not, please read some history before criticising China.
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 00:25:19
#84 - when you can speak to me in Chinese the way I talk to you in English then perhaps you can pick on my English skills. Until then, get back into your cave.
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Mashimaro,

14/08/2008 00:28:09
#88 Is it also a sign of englightenment not to work, and accept money from the government? Is it aslo a sign of enlightenment to allow children to run the household? How enlightened is it to go to other countries for sporting events, get drunk and then vandalise the place? Ohh and how enlightened are your youngsters for going out and getting falling-down-laying in their vomit - drunk? Huh? Yeah, great enlightenment that. I can see how we should all follow your lead.
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 00:31:19
"The reason for this is we must put our country's interest first. The girl on the picture must be flawless in terms of her facial expression and the great feeling she can give to people."

I would say that you need to read this part of the article again. It was not so much the little girl's looks as her ability to perform. Voice is but one aspect of it.
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Queensland 14/08/2008 00:37:23
Mashimaro

The whining of the majority here regarding China is symptomatic of the typical British view that everyone south of the English channel are inferior.

They have a lot to learn.
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 04:30:34
#99 Yeah these are the people who are so surprised that people in China speak Chinese.
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Newbridge 14/08/2008 07:43:05
#99 Let's have the truth,Queensland - "typical British view that everyone south of the English channel are inferior" - In your case, they may have a point. You may take issue with the majority here who criticise your glorious workers' paradise, but your statement is nonsense. Don't you like "Western Devils" or something or are you just racist?
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 08:46:53
Whoever was chosen no one could guarantee they would look as if they had swallowed a coat hanger. But as the man says...they went for the superior performance. I should think that is the right of any director/producer. Sorry it doesn't fit your image of "everyone should be the same". We strive for perfection.
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 08:51:12
#102 Actually we're just getting tired of looped record of lies about freeing Tibet. I am still waiting for you to start calling for Milosevic or his heir to be returned to power. How about poor old Hitler then, eh? Doesn't someone from the Nazi party deserve to be running Germany? Could we get the inquisition back into Spain while we're at it.
Fact is that China has lifted more people out of poverty in a shorter time than any other country in the world.
But please, carry on whining about how everyone has a right to be poor, hungry, thirsty and uneducated.
I can certainly see how your country is working on the uneducated piece of the puzzle.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 14/08/2008 09:20:37
#104 Mashimaro,Red China - "How about poor old Hitler then, eh?" - Yes he lifted may people out of poverty very quickly, staged a superbly meolodramatic Olympic Games (winning more Gold medals than anyone else ever has before or since).
to go a bit pear shaped shall we say."everyone has a right to be poor, hungry, thirsty and uneducated" - the same or similar arguments were used in the 1930s by many people to excuse the excesses of the Nazi regime - okay as long as the majority felt better and were better off but after the successful games of 1936 things started
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James Donald,

Newbridge 14/08/2008 09:29:25
More whining from the lying "Western Devil" media:

PROTESTS STILL UNWELCOME IN BEIJING
China has set aside three parks during the Olympics, to allow people to demonstrate. But, as the BBC's Michael Bristow finds out, the parks are empty and those who apply for permission to protest are even finding themselves arrested.
Just before the Olympic Games began, officials said ordinary Chinese people would be able to apply for permission to vent their feelings.
But several would-be demonstrators appear to have been detained by the authorities after trying to apply for that permission.
This is just one way in which China is attempting to restrict embarrassing protests during the Olympic Games.
"The protest application process clearly isn't about giving people greater freedom of expression, but making it easier for the police to suppress it," said Sophie Richardson, from Human Rights Watch.
One of those detained is Zhang Wei, who was held after applying to stage a protest about her family's forced eviction from their courtyard home.
Her son, Mi Yu, said she was initially supposed to be held for just three days for "disturbing social order", but that that had now been extended to 30 days.
Ms Zhang, forced to move to make way for redevelopment in Beijing's Qianmen district, made several protest applications.
"She went every two or three days after seeing a report about the parks. But the police did not give their approval," Mr Mi said.
His mother was taken away last week. The family have not heard from her since.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7559217.stm

How dare this Michael Bristow report so negatively on the great socialist motherland - a pox on his house (at least he has a house unlike Zhang Wei).


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Queensland 14/08/2008 10:18:21
Medal winners in the Olympic "Whining" event:

#1-Gold: Horrible Cankers
#2-Silver: James Donald
#3-Bronze: Guga II

Also rans:

Boy Wonder
Cappo Del Monte
milke across the pond
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 11:41:17
Huh huh hoots mon Jimmy Dee I dinna understand that. What have you bin drinking ya big Jessie.
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 11:42:47
#106 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... ahhhh ha ha ha ha hah aha ha ha ha ha
well duh!
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 12:33:36
#111 fluctuations eh? C'mon Fiona. Give it a rest. Anyone who is that dumb deserves to "disappear". It's like Darwin's law. We're just weeding out those too stupid to survive.
Anyone would know that the protest zones are only for overseas yobs, not local loudmouths.
I don't think there was anything China agreed to that said it had to break its own laws and let locals run riot during the games.
It's quite funny how "eurocentric" these "world" Olympic Games are. You only have to look at Englishmen poncing about in top hat and tails with sweat pouring down their faces to realise that these dumb games are relevant only to rich westerners and were never meant to include "the masses". When last did an African win a swimming event? er neva, mon! When last did a Mongolian win an "equestrian" even.. they're only like the best horsemen in the whole world... ah... neva tju!
Oh yeah remember that great Pakistani high jumper... whatzizname...
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Newbridge 14/08/2008 13:00:04
#112 Mashimaro,Red China - "We're just weeding out those too stupid to survive" - More shades of the Berlin 1936 Olympics. Are you sure you are not a closet Adolf fan?
Eurocentric Olympic games? How come a European country does not top the medal table? Maybe the workers' paradise could encourage friends in Africa and Mongolia to take up ping pong, another great Olympic sport.
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Newbridge 14/08/2008 13:02:36
#112 Mashimaro,Red China - Did #111 upset little didums? Shame.
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Newbridge 14/08/2008 13:07:39
An example of "Free Reporting" Communist Chines style:

"ANGRY CHINA ATTACKS WESTERN MEDIA FOR BEING TOO CRITICAL AFTER ARREST OF BRITISH JOURNALIST
Beijing's top Olympic official today went to war with the Western media.
Wang Wei, a senior official in the Beijing organising committee, launched an angry defence of one-party China, accusing the media of being 'critical' and 'digging into small details'.
He snapped after being asked about repeated complaints of journalists being harassed as they try to cover dissent and demonstrations.
Yesterday ITN journalist John Ray was arrested and 'roughed up' as he covered an attempt by Students for a Free Tibet to state their case outside the main Olympic park.
The British embassy in Beijing complained about his treatment by the Chinese authorities.
Today Mr Wang launched an angry tirade as he was quizzed by journalists over restrictions on reporting and claimed the country was meeting its commitment to the International Olympic Committee to allow free reporting.
'Everyone who comes to China for the first time says it is different from what they have read,' he said.
'They say everyone is so friendly, the people are so happy and optimistic about the future'".
"IOC director of communication Giselle Davies said she 'opposed any journalist being hindered' in the wake of Ray's arrest.
She said: 'The media should be allowed to do their jobs reporting on the Games.
'The IOC does disapprove of any attempt to hinder a journalist doing his job. We hope this has been addressed and we do not want to see it happen it again.
We disapprove of work being hindered when they do not appear to be breaching the rules.'
Asked repeatedly whether the IOC was 'embarrassed' by the alleged behaviour of the Games hosts, she said: 'We are very proud of the fact that these Games are progressing with spectacular sports and events.'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1044831/Angry-China-attacks-Western-media-critical-
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Queensland 14/08/2008 13:39:43
I seem to remember an unarmed, innocent Brazilian worker was held down, shot and killed by British police on his way to work not so long ago.

With terrorism in China happening as we speak, the journalist and others were lucky they didn't suffer the same fate.

This journalist should be grateful China is giving security a high priority and their police are not as trigger happy as those in London.
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Postmark56,

Chongqing, China 14/08/2008 14:50:01
Ray is lucky that he was only roughed up for showing such arrogance and disrespect. What business is it of his to report on something that has nothing to do with the games. Its Chinas business, end of and he is lucky not to have been shot.
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China 14/08/2008 16:02:07
#113 er, because we're better than you? or is that not patently obvious.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 14/08/2008 16:21:32
#119 Mashimaro,Red China - Obvious to you perhaps but then you are short sighted because of you nasty jingism. China is certainly bigger (in population) but hardly better. As well for the hosts then that Europe or even the EU does not compete as a "nation", otherwise we would top the table, not the Workers paradise or the USA. Er, um.....
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 16:35:32
#120 oh yes, that's right. It's a population thing... ha ha ha ha ha.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 14/08/2008 17:14:33
#121 Mashimaro,Red China - Europe has more medals than - does that make us "better than you" laughing boy?
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Mashimaro,

China 14/08/2008 23:49:25
#122 Fiona, see the posting on "eurocentric olympics" girl.
Also, Europe isn't a nation, is it? Hmm?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 15/08/2008 00:46:51
#123 Schlitzaugen,Red China - I believe cheap Chinese saki makes you believe strangely so here is the proof.
Europe is not yet a nation but then neither is "The West" you often refer to. The case could be made that the Peoples Republic is not a "nation" but a Red Empire that is only held together by the brutal strap of the Chinese Communist party. Hmmmmm?????

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15/08/2008 01:02:05
I'm glad reading through this thread that so many posters seem to share my opinion that the outrage around this story is shot through with hypocrisy and jealousy.
There was a stupid woman with a liverpool accent on the Breakfast time programme saying that the London Olympics would be far more 'honest'. This is the London Olympics presumably that we have been repeatedly lied to about how much it's going to cost-hardly a paradigm of honesty!
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Fanling,

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James Donald,Newbridge - everywhere

Why are you so angry? Why do you rail and seethe so much against China? What is the angst in your soul that makes you revile incessantly against a people, a society, of whom your personal knowledge amounts to next to bog-all? I could apply this question to a number of serial posters on here whose lives are similar empty shells. Just a civilised question. I don't hold out the slightest hope of a civilised answer.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 15/08/2008 02:05:07
#23 Graeme,Guangzhou

Yep, you got it in one (or two). Fanling is indeed in HK (New Territories).

Your "Gaga" observation is also on the nail. When he is skittled he hits back with petulant personal insults far distant from the topic. Childish, really, but there we go. I have given him the swerve in all recent posts, but in the end he couldn't resist the urge to kick. A terribly sad and lonely man indeed, whose life is evidently centred on this parochial newspaperly island of despair.

I'll be back in your area of Guangdong very soon. Maybe we can meet up for a beer sometime. Will also be in Hunan province early autumn.

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James Donald,

Newbridge 15/08/2008 03:22:14
#126 Fanling,Switzerland - Your "civilized question" is nakedly insincere since you state a blatant falsehood by writing that I "revile incessantly against a people". My criticisms on this site are not directed at "the Chinese people" or "China" but rather the odious government of the Peoples' Republic of China. If you cannot or will not see the difference between the two, your agenda is very clear.
An individual who includes the phrases "the angst in your soul", "your personal knowledge amounts to next to bog-all" and "whose lives are similar empty shells" is not looking for a civilised answer but is simply trolling. How wretched your life, if you can only defend an oppresive regime in the way you do.
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Mashimaro,

China 15/08/2008 03:23:48
#124 Ah Fiona, but then that "brutal strap" has allowed us to achieve wonderous things.
It has brought peace to a vast swath of Asia that otherwise would have been involved in the petty wars just like Africa is. If we had been fighting those wars we would be in the same place as Africa is - starving, sick, poor and unable to read or write.
It has allowed us to put a man in space. It has allowed us to gain control of our water supplies, to irrigate out vast lands. It has allowed us to grow enough food, not only to feed our people but also to feed other people around the world. It has allowed us to almost wipe out certain diseases among certain ethnic people, such as syphillis among the Mongolians. It has lifted people out of feudalism such as Tibet and doubled their life spans. It has made us an economic force that is so powerful the west can only whine like an old lady with wet panties about silly things and sillier people.
It has allowed us to boost our education rate, bringing the lamp of literacy to places like Tibet and Mongolia. It has brought equality among men and women, giving them the same education and the same opportunities. It stopped honour killings and rapes among its ethnic Muslims.
It has protected its people from the decay that you see in your country, the yobs, the drunkenness, the violence, the bone idleness and weakness that will destroy your county.
Thank god for communism.
China has lifted more people out of poverty and done it faster than any other country in the world.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 15/08/2008 03:39:44
#129 Mashi-Ladyboy,Red China - The "wonderous things" that Communism has achieved is built on the corpses of millions and the oppression of countless others, so save your "trumpet blowing" for the Party propaganda booklets.
"Thank god for communism"? - I don't think God has anything to do with this abomination. Best report to your Commissar for re-education through labour (you can help achieve some more "wonderous things" as a slave labourer - something we do not have the benefit of in Scotland).
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Mashimaro,

China 15/08/2008 04:36:45
#130 Fiona, darling, millions of people have died all over the world as a result of bad leadership, war, foreign intervention, starvation, drought, disease. Even the Great Depression saw millions of good little capitalists starving to death.
See, the coprse counting works both ways.
But let's have a look at where we are right now.
And we can see that it is infinitely better than where we were 60 years ago.
I would go so far as to say that every country which has chosen communism has benefitted immensely, with the exception of North Korea. This is the face of untold catpawing by the west intent on seeing Communism fail at any cost. Remember Churchill's words regarding Communism. That was the west's policy for 40 years... murder.. .invasion. ..assassination.. .revolution . . brinkmanship. If I look at the terrible waste of money on weapons for Taiwan - for what? To prop up a crooked politician because he "wasn't a commie". How much water could that money have produced for starving masses in India or Somalia or wherever.
I'll say this once again, Fiona. Try to let it sink into your porous mind... China has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN HISTORY.
Do you honestly want to attempt to tell me that would have happened without communism?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 15/08/2008 08:15:45
#131 Mushypeas-ladyboy, Red Cesspit - A the classic tactics of the Chicom troll. You forgot to mention the millions killed by execution, forced labour, victims of dogma. In the corpse count, the Communists have no equal.
"I would go so far as to say that every country which has chosen communism has benefitted immensely, with the exception of North Korea" - Very few countries have "chosen" Communism; usually it is imposed by armed force by native or foreign Communists. So it is unclear what countries you mean. Poland, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria etc...how exactly did they "benefit immensley" from Communism?
So enough of you propaganda, save it for your fans in the "I love Stalin" club of the Communist Party of Great Britain.
All the countries in Europe are far better off than they were 60 years ago, although for some it has been a slow process only accelerated after they could ditch Communism. I see no reason why China would not be a richer country today than it was 60 years ago without the opression of Communism and the Communist-inspired distasters of the great leap forward and cultural revolution. In theory it should be easy for Communists to make people rich - they killed so many people there should have been more to go around for those who were left but it didn't work out that way.
Thank GOD the Communists in Britain are reduced to a lunatic fringe.

 

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