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Published Date: 12 February 2008
SCOTLAND'S hopes of a successful RBS Six Nations Championship this season have all but turned to dust after defeats to France at home and Wales in Cardiff, but already thoughts are turning to the next fixture against Ireland.
Scotland travel to Croke Park in Dublin next week with the unenviable and worrying record of having scored only one try in their last five games, and without a win in the city in ten years.

Frank Hadden, the national team coach, has to find a quick fix for his side's problems ahead of the next matches with the Irish and England if Scotland are to avoid facing Italy in the final match of the championship in what could become clash for the wooden spoon.

The Scotsman asked a selection of former Scotland internationalists – Tom Smith, John Beattie, Finlay Calder and Jim Renwick – for their views on how to reverse the team's current fortunes. Inside, former player, coach and director of rugby Jim Telfer speaks about his sympathy for the pressure that Hadden finds himself under, while also calling for the players to take more responsibility on the field and offering his suggestions about where improvements can be made.


TOM SMITH


'The Six Nations Championship is a quick tournament, which is good because these players will want to get out there as soon as they can and start putting things right.

It is tough after two defeats and with three big games to come. The secret is not to take people's opinions personally. It seems to a player that everyone is against you, everyone wants you to lose, when, in fact, the vast majority of the country – including journalists – want you to improve, score tries and win games – there is a lot more support out there than it will feel like right now.

Yes, there are aspects of our game which need improving – ball retention is the key – but we have very good players, and an excellent captain in Jason White.

They know how to improve basic skills, but they need confidence to do it and so the squad has to get together, and remind each other they are good players – there are reasons why you have been selected for Scotland. I always felt the bad times made the good times even

better, so go out and throw caution to the wind in Ireland and just play rugby.'

JIM RENWICK

'Wait till you've been through ten straight defeats – then you'll know disappointment! I'm sure Frank Hadden and the players are not wanting to play like they did on Saturday, but sometimes you get into a rut where things just won't go right.

It's just wee things we need to tighten up – the tackle, breakdown, passing – and play with a bit more freedom. We haven't created much and I feel the boys are a bit frightened. I'm sure Frank wants them to have a go and play what they see, and it's hard to know why it's not working yet.

Let's not kid ourselves – we were never going to win this championship. Frank Hadden talked it up and got the media to as well, while the bookies still had Scotland ranked last with Italy to win the tournament, and I agreed with that. We have to be more realistic.

The players have to get their heads together and work on what they're good at. We need the leaders to step forward and the players to get stuck in.

We had the same problems when I played and we weren't any better than the guys now. But it's up to the boys to change it; no-one else can.'

FINLAY CALDER

'It is a fact that we have not played well for a few games now, but the one thing the squad cannot do is turn in on itself. They have to get their heads up. We have all been through what they're feeling right now.

We got a bit carried away with the strength of our squad, though, in saying that, they are capable of a lot more when they fire.

Talk is cheap, and it's very well us and the media giving opinions – it's easy commenting from a distance. But the players are the only ones who can do something about the recent results. They have to believe in each other.

All the teams in this championship are very strong, and it's certainly not easy for the coaches when players continue to make errors.

We genuinely look short of confidence in the midfield – ten, 12 and 13 – and they seem caught between a rock and a hard place. We spin it wide and it breaks down, then keep it tight with the forwards and we can't break through a paper bag. That is tough, but the

players and coaches have to do the best they can and have belief that it will come right.'

JOHN BEATTIE

'I would look seriously at bringing Andy Robinson on board. He has a job as Edinburgh head coach, but they aren't playing when Scotland resume next week, and our biggest problem at the moment is the breakdown. He was a back-row player and coach for England and the British and Irish Lions, and I am told by Edinburgh forwards they have never experienced the quality and detail of coaching they are receiving from him.

If that resource is there, that amount of experience, why let it sit idle? He has banned the old 'pick-and-go' at Edinburgh I'm told and has worked at the elite end in recent years, so knows how the top players operate at the breakdown.

The way we're playing and the simplicity of the mistakes is the most frustrating thing for everybody.

I feel for the players right now because, when I played, I was an amateur and, when the flak flew, my job wasn't on the line. But the coach talked them up as the best squad Scotland had had for

years, with more depth than any other, and I think some got wildly optimistic.'


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1

Jock MacSprog,

12/02/2008 00:46:02
asking all these old goats is part of the problem with Scottish rugby. We are still playing 1970's rugby and the rest of the world is playing the fast paced passing moving attractive brand of rugby. We look like we have lead boots on compared to most of the other teams. too many "experts" in Scottish rugby, no body with any actual athleticism and talent.
2

Crummond,

Is that relevant? 12/02/2008 01:13:02
#1 "old goats" you say - I take it that's a comparative term, given that you're the sprog. The only "1970's rugby" Tom Smith ever played was mini-rugby, Calder - victorious Lions captain - 1989(legend), Renwick (genius and brilliantly modest)and John Beattie, whose son will be a British Lion, who coaches and who played a pretty good game himself.

I, for one, value their opinion. And, by the way, athletisism, fitness and strength has all come at a price and that price is skill levels - just look at the level of skill on display in the 1970s!
3

Aitchie,

Shanghai 12/02/2008 03:47:26
Skill levels in the 70's? You're joking? Have a look at an old video - even of the Lions.

Take the rose-tinted specs off.
4

Steve Evans,

Malta 12/02/2008 06:09:21
Just hope you at least get a try! Fingers crossed.
5

Cathcart Boy,

London 12/02/2008 06:29:03
Good comments from Fin Calder. Not so sure about John Beattie's praise of Andy Robinson. Oh for a repeat of the quality we had in 1986 when we thrashed England 33-6. Failure of succession planning in coaching and balance of experience and youth in playing has seen us slip to a reactive manner of selection, leaving hope to belie optimism, just like Newcastle football fans.
6

inoui,

Bordeaux 12/02/2008 06:47:40
Good comments but this we know!
7

city slicker,

12/02/2008 07:29:25
A group of kids from the school playground could have come up with better thoughts than the old cronnies you interviewed !
Why couldn't they have been more specific ?
After all, a couple of them are usually quite opinionated !
8

Clench McCheeks, Laird of Midmar,

Castle Clench, midmar, clenching hard 12/02/2008 08:05:06
Imagine being one of the players - especially those singled out like Dan Parks.

You train, you go out, you get beaten up infront of 80,000 Welshies calling for your head and a couple mill more on the TV Tube, then you take a monumental slagging from everybody, including your own coach....pros or not it can't be easy.

We, the supporters, should send the boys our BEST WISHES.

I feel the squad could become introverted - sometimes a seige mentality works, but it can also be a very bad thing when confidence is fragile.

To the Scotland squad -there's no pressure now - everyone, commentators, supporters, journos, are expecting the wooden spoon or maybe even a whitewash.

So just got out and enjoy it, and play wihout pressure, and if we can scrape a result from our remaining fixtures, then that wil be a bonus.

As for Robbo, he seems to have made a difference to Edinburgh, and I'm sure he'll want to be involved at the top level again. I feel it's only a matter of time before he and Lineen are both involved in the national squad in some capacity.
9

Couperman,

Orpington 12/02/2008 08:09:23
#3 Aitchie.
You're right about the skills but for the wrong reason and that's maybe because you never saw the players of the 70's in the flesh.
Get yourself the video's of the 3 games Barbarians Vs The All Blacks in 17973 and you'll see really skillful rugby.
The skills then were to get the ball, run like hell, pass it if you could, and score tries. Not "skills" by todays fancy over-coached standards but very very good to watch and they won games! Remember that experience?

Good to see that players of the past (you'll note I didn't say Stars because they would I'm sure baulk at that "title")are still as passionate about Scotland as they were the day they pulled on the jersey!

Critisise them yes but you can't take away the fact that they had "balls" - and not the fancy multi-couloured rugby ones either!!
10

Steve Evans,

Malta 12/02/2008 08:19:30
10/ One of the greatest matches of all time, and that Gareth Edwards try ? well. Have it on DVD and well worth the price.
11

Nimrodel1353,

Edinburgh 12/02/2008 08:34:57
Lets be honest here. The product on offer is c**p. This year, for the first time in many years, work commitments prevent me from going to the games, and I have to say I'm pleased not to have spent money to watch this rubbish.

Don't blame the players - come on! If I did my job as poorly as this lot, I'd be blamed (and it is their job, don't forget), or shown the door.

As for the coaches, well, as someone said, all they seem to tell the players is pick and go - so they pick up at the back of a ruck, and go half a metre and come to ground at the same point as the guy before them. Do this 3 or 4 times and lose the ball.

Which brings me to the much vaunted physical conditioning. How come, after bulking up like the incredible Hulk, they still don't appear to have the strength in their hands and arms to prevent some wee guy like Martyn Williams ripping the ball away.

I have never slagged these guys off before, either verbally, or in print, but it seems to me that good will is wearing very thin, and the organisation (SRU, Coaches and Players) need to have a hard look at themselves.

On the radio this morning, John Barclay said we don't need a blame culture. Bad news Jonnie - you've got one!

12

Couperman,

Orpington 12/02/2008 08:37:48
Apologies in my wee bit at comment 10 I meant 1973 and was not going Back to the Future from 17973. Dear God I hope we don't still have these problems then!!
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Mackie,

Edinburgh Castle Rock 12/02/2008 09:06:41
"Let's not kid ourselves – we were never going to win this championship. Frank Hadden talked it up and got the media to as well, while the bookies still had Scotland ranked last with Italy to win the tournament, and I agreed with that. We have to be more realistic."

Well said Jim Renwick!
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Couperman,

Orpington 12/02/2008 09:14:29
SIR RASTUS DICKLONG-DONGLER.

I'm obviously getting too old as I can't for the life of me understand what the hell you're going on about but I hope your medication kicks in soon.

All the best.
17

Clench McCheeks, Laird of Midmar,

12/02/2008 09:19:31
No, I hope the medication doesn't kick in soon RASTUS.

I will keep an eye out for you - believe it or not I competed in the highland games myself a few years back.

Keep it up (sholdn't be a problem for a man call RASTUS DICKLONG-DONGLER fnaar fnaar!)
18

The Diplomat,

EDINBURGH 12/02/2008 09:19:53
Jim Renwick says .."it's just a few wee things going wrong, the tackle, breakdown, passing" - sorry, Jim I think these are just a bit more than "wee" - a team that can't pass and won't tackle is no team at all, and these weaknesses lie at the door of the coach. Appointing Andy Robinson may be viewed as the "nuclear option" by some but if he can do even in part for Scotland what he has clearly achieved for Edinburgh, he'll do for me!
19

thebigiam,

12/02/2008 09:34:14
# 19. Not sure that basic skills like passing and tackling can really be Hadden's fault.

Given he only has them for a few days, he should be able to take that for granted and just work on ways to get them playing in the style he wants.

Really, they should be learning to do that at school, or at least (at worst?) at pro level..!

20

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 12/02/2008 09:45:44
Surely the two factors that are missing are leadership and talent - there does not seem to be a single 'personality' (apart from Paterson) who has the leadership and charisma of Gavin Hastings or some other leaders of the past. You need leaders for a team to coalesce around.

On the talent front, Scotland is only able to draw on a very small pool of talent by comparison with England - 55 million versus 5 million people. But the fact that the game is still 'ghetto-ized' by class and education is a major stumbling block. Only in the Borders is the game truly egalitarian. The Border communities play rugby in many schools - and it is the sons of farmers, labourers and so on who make up the teams at Kelso, Melrose etc. The Central Belt is dominated by the private schools - Watsons, Fettes etc - and as long as rugby is seen as a 'privileged' game there will simply not be the talent to call upon - nor the true hunger for success; if your mum and dad are paying £12k a year for your schooling, you don't know what hunger is.

There needs to be a strategy to get rugby into every single school in the central belt (if there already IS such a strategy I apologise). As long as it remains the preserve of the private schools - stiffened by Border farmers - it will always be looking to recruit New Zealand expats. Why not ask the Lottery for 10 million to resurrect rugby in every comprehensive in Edinburgh and Glasgow. Then you might see a bigger pool of 'hungry' talent.
21

maroon to the core,

Falkirk 12/02/2008 09:49:41
The only reason any of us come onto these chat rooms is because we all want Scotland to win, or at the very least compete and show improvement. Hadden is taking it on the chin because 1, he promised these things and 2. he is paid to deliver these things. We missed a great chance to reach the semi finals of the world cup when we should have tried to run an already wilting Argentina team ragged but intstead we played to there strengths and made it easy for them . Franks reaction " this was a missed opportunity and we are a young team who will learn and improve". From what I have seen it looks like we are going backwards.
Robinson should at the very least be asked to become part of the coaching team. This is nothing more than the SRU have done with other Pro coaches so whats the harm. I believe that for the team to move forward we need a coach who has won things and knows how to win things. For too long our players have been told they dont have the basic skills that other teams have. This is negative nonesense. You go to any SRU coaching sessions, which are attended by coaches from all over the world. The SRU coaching courses are regarded as the best in the world, and who do they use as guinea pigs. Scottish age group players and I tell you they are bloody good. So get rid of the negative crap that we are not good enough and start letting these guys express themselves on the pitch rather than treating them like robots.
Come on Scotland make us proud
22

Clench McCheeks, Laird of Midmar,

12/02/2008 09:50:06
Right from the whistle against France the players looked like they were under pressure.

Could the ever churning conveor belt of self propogated hype (some of the more lamentable examples of which emanated from the coach himself!) have something to do with this?

Scotland are at their best when nobody expects - a mindset that will have to be dealt with if Scotland are ever going to win consistently, but that's the way it is right now....

Well, the only thing expected right now is the whitewash.

Here's a tip though - it's probably unwise for senior squad members and coaches to tell the newspapers that they're going to surprise us against Ireland because Scotland play best when nobody expects anything.

Nobody now expects, and if I were the coach or players I'd be doing everything to keep it that way (i.e. not telling newspaper journos every thought in my head).

Do these guys not get coaching in how to deal with the voracious pack of hacks who track their every move?
23

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 12/02/2008 10:26:10
A slightly tangential issue - but the complete plastering of every single visible surface with electronic adverts at Murrayfield is a BIG turnoff to people watching the game on television. The pitch is now a giant advert for 'those bankers' , the players bodies are plastered with adverts, the entire length of the crowd barriers is flashing illuminated lights and animated signs.

Do you think this has gone too far? Is the triumph of blatant commercialism the reason why the quality of play is so poor?
24

Jim Robbie,

Central 12/02/2008 10:27:41
Many good comments, none better than Jim Renwicks,however as long as we play "muckle puddens" like Hamilton in our second row,who glaringly couldn't even get down to stop one of the mis throws over the back of our lineouts,which led to one of the tries. We have tried these freeks before remember "too tall" Metcalf,another second team player in one of Englands Pro -teams.
White isn't the player he was, but could do a job beside Hines.Our "young back row" will do me fine. Hogg made the most of his recall. It's time to get "Beattie the younger" who is mean just like his dad was, but the best no 8 right now. Get him into the squad Frank. If our coach can't see these qualities then lets see what Robinson can do!
Parks is nothing better than a stop gap. Poor tackler. Slowest back in the whole 6 nations. Patterson was electric on Sat. Give him the no 10. His passion will rub off on the other backs given time.
Deluka looks a wee bit stage frightened but with somebody inside hime just might get the kind of service a new cap needs from Patterson.
Doesn't Mrs Lamont have any other sons, how we miss them.
Keep trying lads, heads up, Ireland are there for the beating!

25

Milan Hibee,

Milano 12/02/2008 10:46:36
I think it's down to the dreadful strips that we're wearing!!!!
26

jj veritas,

12/02/2008 10:52:06
Sensible views from the experts. The backs on balance, however, are the weak link. The forwards must be so disheartened when the backs screw up. So either let the current backs plan and train to be more sharp. And if they don't sharpen up then I'm sure they'll be the first to want to stand down.
27

Jim Robbie,

Caledonia 12/02/2008 10:52:45
Watching this recent episode and seeing Frank Hadden's Team selections is begining to look like a re-run of the sad episodes of our recent antipodean Matt Williams's era, or should I say Ego, all over again.
I hope Webster is fit for next game. I am afraid Morrison and Henderson don't work. We are seriously short of pace lets get some pace into the team. It was sad to see Andy Henderson make such a good break on Sat only to start looking to offoad it ASAP as he knew he didn't have the gas to finish it off, sadly neither did any of his back up men either!
28

Clench McCheeks, Laird of Midmar,

12/02/2008 11:10:20
#28 Scotland could have had the All Black backline on Saturday and still struggled. Without quick ball you're f***ed.
29

Clench McCheeks, Laird of Midmar,

12/02/2008 11:12:52
ANYWAY - I feel against Argentina we showed the way to play - in the final quarter at least.....
Interestingly, this is also when the game looked lost and the pressure came off.
30

CPWilliam,

12/02/2008 11:32:42
On the subject of skills,can anyone please tell me the last time a Scotland International side won quick ball delivered it along the backline, putting a man in space, arrived quickly at the ensuing breakdown and delivered it along the line to score?
I see Parkes getting a lot of the blame but has anyone ever seen him get quick ball with options to do anything else but kick? I agree with everyone about Henderson - I have never seen him give and take a pass.
However, whilst many of these players don't have the basic skills - how can they be doing this day in and day out and not at least know how to catch and pass? - surely the coaches have to be blamed for picking them and providing them with a game plan that they have absolutely no chance of achieving?
(Sorry - rant over - just get upset that our 'professional' players don't appear to have the basic skills that our amatuers from the bygone era had.)
31

Clench McCheeks, Laird of Midmar,

12/02/2008 11:40:54
#32 Argentina, RWC2007, final quarter.
32

Dunger,

Doon Sooth 12/02/2008 11:42:30
#1. Your comments are like my wind....rotten.

These boys have all been there and done it.

Scottish (and British Lions) legends and you are having a pop at them. I bet the nearest you have got tae playing rugby is walking past Inverleith Park and seeing some kids kicking a ball oeer the posts.

The problem is so called "experts" like you harking on about athleticism and talent that haven't even probably played the game. It's one thing talking about it, but it's another doing it under pressure and doing it well.

Yes, we are all hurting after seeing our beloved team playing keech,but have some faith and let them turn it around.

Would you still be slating these old goats if Scotland was winning? No you wouldn't so show some respect to these guys and put a cork in it.
33

Middyman,

London 12/02/2008 11:59:03
#1 it's folk like you who allow mediocre people like Hadden who have been promoted beyond their ability to remain in place. You probably supported putting out a second team against New Zealand too ... are you the President of the SRU by any chance?
34

Pride&Passion,

Edinburgh 12/02/2008 12:15:44
# 1 - These "old goats" no doubt had you jumping about the terraces when they played, i'm not an advocate of "when we played" type banter but these boys are not full of that. They recognise the need for players to stand up and be counted, they have eluded to this. Have some respect, have you ever played the game, i'd suggest at a lowly level and you like jumping on bandwagons to have a pop when the game needs support.
35

lac,

Ecosse 12/02/2008 12:22:06
Agree with John Beattie. Let's not be petty minded. We have a world class coach in our midst who has coached world champions so let's use real expertise. I would expect if Andy Robinson was a Kiwi he would already be closely involved. We are yet again being tripped up by our old parochial habits.
36

bumpkin,

outer space 12/02/2008 12:38:49
Time to dump Hadden and his pathetic vendettas against class players eg Gordon Ross, Ian Fullarton, and now John Barclay, to name but a few.
Parks never deserved one cap.
Cusiter is too slow and Rory Lawson should take his place.
The only stand off who has fired scotlands backs in the last five yrs is Gordon Ross, and is not considered because frank doesnt like him.Despite him guiding scotland to our only win over the springboks.
37

London Exile,

12/02/2008 12:40:41
#9 if they do go into a siege mentality, trying to blank out the adverse publicity and wider Scottish public's disdain for the performance, they are unfortunately still stuck with Frank amongst them, whose comments, I felt, distanced him from the team's performance!
38

Scottee,

my bonnie border hame 12/02/2008 12:45:28
Park's maybe everyone's favourite villian this week, but let's face facts,he is not alone in what is turned out to be a shambolic 6 nations. Slow ball from the pack being one factor, an indecisive scrum half passing to a stand off who is unsure wether he can kick or wether to pass, 2 centre's, one a rookie the other barely fit. When did henderson pick up his knee injury? 6 weeks ago? Di luca, who is looking more like a candidate for watership down remake, that an international rugby player.
One winger, who would be better place at stand off, a full back who's place in the ranks of professional rugby is questionable and another winger who's not been utilised, he's 6ft 5ish and played against a 5ft 8 winger on saturday and never fielded a high ball in attack!! come on!!

There's more than a couple of players need changing here. Unfortunately, if (and it's a big if) dan parks is dropped, then you'd imagine phil godman will replace him instead of paterson. I'd hope rory lamont is fit for ireland, his brother? Well, i'll be pleased if he's seen playing rugby again.

With the much muted, "heaviest scottish pack ever" being bullied and ball stolen from them by a much lighter welsh pack, there has to be question surrounding strength and conditioning, i have to presume that this weight has been put on in muscle and good old fashioned fat, then why are we losing so much ball in the ruck and maul, why is our scrum not dominating..

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Mr Toad,

Edinburgh 12/02/2008 13:02:25
I think that there is a real danger of being side tracked by this article. Surely the real issue is why Captain Haddock is failing to get the best out of his players and why he persistently picks those who don't perform (remember Di Rollover? Now Parks?) We appear to be playing tactics which are very limited and dependent on us gaining the upper hand in the forward exchanges. Now, I am all for playing to your strengths, and sometimes a limited game can work; but we are not able to bully teams and we are far too one dimensional. I think that the oddest decision made so far has been the decision to leave Patterson out of the starting XV against France; if you are going to play a limited game, then why on earth wouldn't you want an excellent goal kicker in your team. Mindless selection.

Rant over, if we are to get the best players on the pitch and on the ball, how about Blair at 10 and either Cusiter or Lawson at 9??
40

Scottee,

12/02/2008 13:05:01
lawson, without a shadow of doubt.
He's the better scrum half and also has a scoring threat about him, granted cusiter was our last scorer, but lawson has a sharpness about him that is lacking in blair and cusiter.

Has blair played at 10 for edinburgh before?

41

JT,

12/02/2008 13:12:56
Robinson and Lineen are already working for Scotland A! Although Robinson is working well at Edinburgh, he needs to be here a little longer than a few months before being considered for the first team coach. As a Edinburgh fan we'll hand him over when we have won something. Hadden has only been in the job a couple of years. Yes he's made some decisions that havent worked well (keeping Parks and benching Paterson) however apart from Robinson and Lineen who else have we got?
42

Mr Toad,

12/02/2008 13:22:05
I don't think that Blair has played a lot of rugby at 10 at all, but this doesn't seem to stop the French when they are making selections at half back? He can clearly pass off both hands, kick and tackle, and perhaps more importantly he can read the game and beat a man; this is a lot more than can be said for Parks.
43

Larry Hagman,

12/02/2008 13:37:34
# 42 - totally agree with you assessment Mr Toad and yes, I remember the joke that was Di Rollover all too well.

Our game plan is solely focussed on a simple pick & drive game with Parks trying to pin back the opposition and limit them, whilst taking penalties or 5m lineouts to attempt to rumble over the line. This is the sort of mind numbing, negative rubbish that has been the stock in trade of the likes of Argentina and the Italy of yesteryear for a decade. At least they are effective at it. We grind away to no reward, it is depressingly boring to watch and supporters are staying away in their droves.

Other than Blair who has been excellent so far and Paterson, I think the rest of the team would struggle to make it into the Italy team.

Hadden needs to find his balls and make some key changes:

- We need to move to a lighter and more mobile pack that is focussed around a quicker, rucking game and doing the basics well (clean ball at the lineout and scrums)
- Parks needs to be discarded immediately. He is simply not (and never has been) an international standard rugby player. Paterson to 10 immediately. When he came on against France he tried to show some enterprise and get the backs moving
- Henderson needs to go to accommodate a pacier & more versatile centre who can offload to speed up the ball and make the opposition think(a De luca who can catch perhaps?)
- Drop the underperforming White to the bench and bring him on as an impact sub
- Cusiter out of the 22 and Lawson on the bench


Hadden will be gone after 6 Nations - he did a job to steady the ship after the joke Williams though is bizarrely taking on some similar traits: blame everyone else (TMO, bounce of the ball, the wet surface, short prep time between games etc etc). With his rigid adherence to a failing game plan (remind you of Mattie?)he has adopted a bunker mentality of WW2. Things aren't rosy outside and the time is for brave and clinical changes. What have we got to lose? Sti
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Clench McCheeks, Laird of Midmar,

12/02/2008 13:41:39
Hey #44, that's the exact same attitude that says you don't pick Strokosch until he's 55 years old and taken to smoking a pipe, or that a pack which weighs 17 metric tonnes and is physiologically obliged to consume its own bodyweight in food every single hour just to stay alive can possibly concentrate on delivering fast ball to the backs.

How can we expect the pack to prosper when it's February, and some of them would normally be hibernating or following migrating caribou herds northwards?
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Clench McCheeks, Laird of Midmar,

Castle Clench, tending his reindeer herd. 12/02/2008 13:44:07
I have some here, by the way (Reindeer, and highland cattle). Good breed that. Tough.
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Mr Toad,

12/02/2008 14:27:46
#42, very perceptive.

I am staggered with the midfield selection - almost as bad as the days of Duncan Splodge and Rowan (the milk float) Shepherd
47

Larry Hagman,

12/02/2008 14:32:30
indeed Mr Toad - or day I say it, the "Enigma" Townsend...

That said, it looked like Andy Henderson was driving a milk float as Shane Williams walked around him on Saturday.
48

AndyWid,

Sassenachland 12/02/2008 14:34:35
SORRY TO BE OLD FASHIONED, BUT............

Watching Scotland lose in diappointinmg circumstances is so not so uncommon for us long-suffering, loyal supporters.
However, for Scotland at Murrayfield to be wearing so much white on those tawdry outfits that France remain in blue; and to see a properly proud Welsh XV in their proper colours outplay our dejected, ill-dressed XV, is too sad to be true!
Scotland should play in that smart navy blue (perhaps white shorts)and start feelig good about themselves.
If the SRU need money to pay for proper navy shirts (without some commercial makers label on it), perhaps they might go cap in hand to RBS whose logo is plastered over the turnament. I'M sure they'd shell out a few hundred more to see their own team feeling proud and perhaps playing better as a result.
49

Bugle,

Wur capital city 12/02/2008 15:38:41
Scotland are the single most boring team in world rugby! Frank Hadden is turning off a whole generation of young rugby players. The adage still rings true, "Too many weights, not enough speed work!"
50

Huvnaea,

The Kingdom 12/02/2008 15:50:17
Part of the problme with our backs is lack of speed and depth. Why do they always seem to be standing still when receiving the ball? And the line is always flat - when I played the coach kept shouting at us to stay deep when were attacking - at least then the outside backs were getting the ball at speed and with some space.
Best advice I was ever given - KISS - Keep it simple stupid! - The teans that do well do the simple things well. Look at the Welsh and French back lines 'steep' line ups and fast ball. (It helps that they have a few speed merchants as well - Shane Williams cruelly exposed Andy Hendersons lack of pace).
51

BBC1,

12/02/2008 16:12:00
just back from a long lunch
hic
put the under 20 team out - they have played like true professionals in their 6 nations tournament. the 1st xv should take lessons from them.
52

AndyWid,

Sassenachland 12/02/2008 16:18:10
I agree...........time to get rid of simply inadequae players and pick people who at least can show class. For heaven's sake lose Parks and Henderson, and find a space in the pack for Strokosh who is very highly thought of and plays week in week out at the top level in the south.
Its even worth trying a Lawson (9)/M.Blair (10) combination.
at least both have real class .. even if its just for 20- minutes.......bt please MrHadden do SOMETHING other than the current boring ineffectual plan. Give Scotland some STYLE.
53

Reasoned Debate,

12/02/2008 16:37:11
Has anyone heard an official response from the powers that be to the blatant mistake on Saturday by the Italian TMO. Surley there should be at least an admition that an error was made. Also that he will be not be called upon again to fulfil this job would offer some comfort to what was a disgraceful decision. I manitain that this decision may well have cost us the game no matter how poor we were. The silence from is deafening
54

maroon to the core,

Falkirk 12/02/2008 16:41:59
38. I take it your mother had a bad stutter when she named you.
55

GP,

12/02/2008 17:53:05
OK read too much guff for one day.
Scotland need to back to basics - at 10 we need a big lad who can take the ball forward aka crash. The reason for this is we need to get over the gain line somehow and because the ball is so slow coming out Parks who has little dimention to his game simply kicks away posession.
If and only until we get across the gain line can we actually get backs running as evidenced by NZ SA etc.
Once beyond the gain line the opposition are on the back foot something we have seen very little off under Hadden.
We have little or no strength in depth which means Parks cannot be picked as his selection dictates a loss of ball. Very few teams can afford to give away the ball as much and hope to win.
The only other alternative is a pacy stand off aka Paterson who must feed the backs quick ball.
Blair is an OK scrum half but his pass is too slow and is usually only completed once he has checked his options. Prime function of a scrum half is to get the ball out ot the backs asap and only taking selfish actions when the prime objective is ruled out.
I was disapointed that the pack could not compete with the welsh one and the final nail in the coffin for Haden is this tournament ending with us having zero points.





56

rab36,

12/02/2008 18:45:05
Dumb the coach, those god-awful strips - can we get back to white shorts please, and half of this under-achieving team of talentless plodders.

Get Lineen in as coach, and half the A team, preferably Murdoch and Face!!
57

Dorfl,

South 12/02/2008 20:53:10
%8# Is that a typo? we need a big lad at 10? I'm assuming you mean 12 and your theory is based on at least having a stand off who may not have a super fast pass (although accurate) but at least lies flat to the scrum half and therefore affords the potential that his 3/4s may be able to run onto the ball from deep and therefore with pace. If he gets squeezed, as often happens when you lie flat then he should have some football skills to either take it back into the protection of the pack or, if lucky, sell a dummy and cut through to make a few yards hoping for some support from the rest of the team. If that doesn't work he can still fly hack from hand.....So not Parks then!
58

Dorfl,

South 12/02/2008 20:54:36
oops the typo is mine! - should be 58#
59

Borders Realist.,

Borders 12/02/2008 22:20:33
A lot of comment on here about Robinson and Lineen as the alternative to the current coaching set up.
Firstly Robinson is doing a fine job at Edinburgh with virtually a new team but he and his side are in the "honeymoon" period and the other magners teams have yet to fully work them out which will happen in the fullness of time with the video analysis technology at their disposal.
Lineen on the other hand is better known to us in coaching terms and a common theme in his Successes has been the massive contributions from his overseas players at both Boroughmuir and Glasgow.
How that would help in the Scotland job i dread to think.
We still have too many non scots in the set up please dont encourage the inclusion of any more.
60

GP,

12/02/2008 22:35:07
60# no typo just options and these options negate the use of Parks as he fits neither. He is not big enough to take the ball forward. His pass is not good enough or quick enough to progress he can kick from the hand but this is variable at best and at worst costs points.
He does not tackle as evidenced against Wales he shirked his duty of going down on a ball that led to a try. No guts no glory!
We have tried big no 12's for years to no avail due to slow ball etc.
The options are big no 10 who can with even relatively slow ball get over the gain line or a pact no 10 who can kick and pass ie. Paterson.
Is this in enough detail for you now?
61

blueberry,

exile 13/02/2008 10:48:19
#49 Ah yes, Rowan Shepherd and Stodgy Hodge. I remember Bill McLaren commenting something like, "Here comes Duncan Hodge, with his deceptive lack of pace." Indeed.

A player with limitations, but played with a bit of fire in his belly and made the most of what he had by using using it intelligently. The current crop are pretty talented, but fail to apply those talents to best effect. It's all in the head.
62

blueberry,

exile 13/02/2008 10:57:25
#63 Parks has the ability to play better with the ball in hand but has either been instructed not to or is too scared when the pressure is on. In the Ireland match last summer he took first phase ball, held of two tacklers and popped the ball up nicely for Henderson to score. Exactly the kind of thing you are talking about but say he is incapable of doing. I haven't watched Glasgow play, but hear that for them he mixes play in this way far better than he does for Scotland.

In any event, even though he has the skills he doesn't apply the right ones at the critical moment (e.g. going for the chip against Argentina when we were doing so much more damage with the ball in hand). We need a cooler head at 10, not a bulkier frame. Paterson for me.
63

The row,

13/02/2008 21:29:55
Why should we be looking at Andy Robinson? Have we forgotten how he was sacked from England for creating a very one dimensional boring team..
We have quality Scottish coaches in the English premiership (Carl Hogg / Basil Redpath both with a team at the top of the league). They are getting the best out of a young, inexperienced team.. Sound familiar?
The Scottish game needs a coach who can lead, not an ex school coach, who did nothing with Edinburgh yet was rewarded with the national job, after our friend Matt made us such a bad team, my gran could have coached them to beat the Babas and Romania!!
64

CARLOS THE JACKAL - BLIMEY, HE KNOWS IT ALL,

Waiting in the Jeep Cherokee 13/02/2008 22:21:52
Gottle ov geer!

 

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