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US election: Bush tells Republican convention, 'McCain's his own man'



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Published Date: 03 September 2008
REPUBLICAN presidential hopeful John McCain is an "independent man who thinks for himself", President George Bush said today.
The unpopular US president led a series of speakers who described the Arizona senator as "his own man" and a great leader who understood the challenges facing America.

It was a clear attempt by the McCain campaign to accept an important strong end
orsement from the sitting president while dismissing suggestions from Democratic rival Barack Obama that Mr McCain is inextricably linked to the failed policies of the Bush administration.

Under-fire vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin also won widespread support from speakers on the first full night of the Republican Party's national convention in St Paul, Minnesota.

Mr Bush said he knew from experience that Mr McCain was not afraid to say when he disagreed.

"John is an independent man who thinks for himself," he said.

"He's not afraid to tell you when he disagrees. Believe me, I know. No matter what the issue, this man is honest and speaks straight from the heart."

Mr Bush's support was a mixed blessing for Mr McCain – it will help him win more support from the party's conservative base but it will also tie him to the Bush administration's botched handling of Hurricane Katrina three years ago, which killed more than 1,800 people, the unpopular Iraq war.

And the president's highly unusual cameo appearance via satellite from the White House seemed to acknowledge this.

Earlier this week, some Republicans had originally breathed a sigh of relief to have the unpopular president out of the way, dealing with Hurricane Gustav, when he cancelled his speech on Monday night
But in his rescheduled eight-minute speech, the president said Mr McCain's "independence and character helped change history" when he backed the so-called surge of US troops in the Iraq war last year, against public opinion.

"Some told him that his early and consistent call for more troops would put his presidential campaign at risk," Mr Bush said.
"He told them he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war.

"That is the kind of courage and vision we need in our next commander-in-chief."

Mr Bush also addressed national security, a perceived strength of former Vietnam prisoner of war Mr McCain, and said the presidential hopeful understood the threats faced by America.

"We live in a dangerous world," he said.

"And we need a president who understands the lessons of September 11 2001: that to protect America, we must stay on the offence, stop attacks before they happen, and not wait to be hit again.

"The man we need is John McCain."

Mr Bush also weighed in on the debate over whether Mr McCain's running mate Mrs Palin had enough experience to be on the Republican ticket.

"When the debates have ended, and all the ads have run, and it is time to vote, Americans will look closely at the judgment, the experience, and the policies of the candidates – and they will cast their ballots for the McCain-Palin ticket," he said.

Later, an Obama campaign spokesman said Mr Bush "enthusiastically passed the torch to the man who's earned it" by supporting the president's policies.

Mr Bush's diminished role left Joe Lieberman, Democrat Al Gore's running mate in the 2000 election, at the top of the bill, capping an unprecedented political migration.

With stronger-than-expected criticism of Mr Obama, Mr Lieberman urged America to unite behind his long-time friend Mr McCain.

To chants of "USA, USA!", he said being an American was more important than being a Democrat or a Republican and added that he was supporting Mr McCain "because country matters more than party".

"God only made one John McCain, and he is his own man," he said.

He praised the Republican for advocating the surge of US troops in Iraq, and criticised Mr Obama for opposing it.

"When others wanted to retreat in defeat from the field of battle, when Barack Obama was voting to cut off funding for our troops on the ground, John McCain had the courage to stand against the tide of public opinion," the Democratic-turned-independent senator said.

He said Mr Obama was "a gifted and eloquent young man" but that "eloquence is no substitute for a record".

Mr McCain was the only candidate who had "shown the courage and the capability to rise above the smallness of our politics to get big things done for our country and our people", he said.

Mr Lieberman added that Mrs Palin, with whom he disagrees on the vast majority of issues, was "a leader we can count on to help John shake up Washington".

Former Law And Order actor Fred Thompson, who dropped out of the presidential race earlier this year, also praised Mr McCain as the "kind of character that civilisations from the beginning of history have sought in their leaders".

In contrast, he said to huge cheers that Mr Obama was only making history in so much as he was "the most liberal, most inexperienced nominee that ever run for president".

Mr Thompson said the US "needed a president who felt no need to apologise for the United States of America".

He added that the respect Mr McCain was given around the world was "not because of a teleprompter speech designed to appeal to American's critics abroad".

Mr Thompson also launched a strong defence of vice presidential nominee Mrs Palin and hailed her as a "breath of fresh air".

"She and John McCain are not going to care how much the alligators get irritated when they get to Washington, they're going to drain that swamp," he said.

Mr Thompson added that Mr McCain's decision to place her on the ticket "has the other side and their friends in the media in a state of panic".

Outside the Xcel Energy Centre, police used tear gas and flash-bang grenades to scatter an estimated 2,000 protesters who were allegedly trying to get past security fences.

The incident followed the arrests of nearly 300 protesters during outbreaks of violence in an anti-war March on Monday.



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1

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 03/09/2008 10:20:28
Nobody was expecting it to be anything other than a mutual admiration fest.

The incongruity was that turncoat Lieberman attempting to convince himself that he's actually a republican, this week.

I hear there has been talk of McCain dumping Palin and that he's made a fatal error in choosing a neophyte as running mate.
2

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 03/09/2008 10:25:19
On the experience question, the person with currently the most recent experience is Bush himself.

What chance do you think he would have of being re-elected if he were allowed to run for office?

There is experience and experience. The most important qualities are what Obama possesses that are in short supply on the repugnant side.
3

Ballindarroch,

03/09/2008 12:01:30
#1 & #3

Idiots.
4

Gulliver,

Harare 03/09/2008 12:50:34
"We live in a dangerous world," he said.

"And we need a president who understands the lessons of September 11 2001: that to protect America, we must stay on the offence, stop attacks before they happen, and not wait to be hit again."

This is EXACTLY the kind of mentality which makes America the biggest threat to world peace!! "STAY ON THE OFFENSE"? So what, next if they think Iran is getting out of hand they have a pre-emptive military strike? And what if the Iranians adopt the same policy as outlined by GWB above? To strike before you are struck?? These are policies that should never be acknowledged publicly (even if there is merit in them) because it simply puts-up the other side's guard, simple actions can be gravely misconstrued and it could become a self-fulfilling prophecy. WW3!!

Given this mentality I think SADC leaders are justified in being uncomfortable with the US setting up a military base in Botswana. And I also think Russia is justified in cautioning America over it's so called defensive missile shields in Poland. Who can be so sure that there are defensive in nature when the Commander In Chief has clearly highlighted that the US needs to stay on the OFFENSIVE!? This is absolute madness!!
5

notanactivist,

The Borders 03/09/2008 12:52:08
Mr Thompson said the US "needed a president who felt no need to apologise for the United States of America".

Too true, come on USA, vote in McCain
6

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 03/09/2008 13:07:03
How come the loony left nutbars only show up to bash the US Republicans - who a large number of Americans appear to love by the way.
But when their man Gordon Brown is getting it from the Nats they turn turtle?
Rather bizarre human behaviour which clearly needs further clinical study.
7

notanactivist,

The Borders 03/09/2008 13:15:01
#8 I presume they prefer to attack people who actually matter rather than people who think they matter.
8

celtic4,

USA 03/09/2008 15:28:26
The USA is NOT the biggest threat to world peace! We fight for and try to negotiate peace. We have always been a peace loving nation. But attempting to help others who want peace gets us a bad rap.
The United States of America enjoys the most freedom of any nation in the world. Period. And laws must be voted in, not just on someone's sudden idea.
I do not understand why people bash the US when they don't live here and experience real freedom. Once they do, they do not bash it anymore.
9

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 15:29:47
#8 Anyone remotely left wing abandoned the Blair/Brown
Nu Labour Party years ago. Try and keep up.
10

celtic4,

USA 03/09/2008 15:29:57
Oh, and I recently read an article that most of the tourists we had this summer were from the UK. What does this say?
Most people who visit the US love it here.
11

we the people,

03/09/2008 15:43:19
peace loving my @rse. over 50 bombing campaigns, invasions and 'regime changes' post world war two. the 'attempting to help others' stuff is pure ideology - a pretty thin cover for aggressive and destructive imperialism. american nationalism, economic and military hegemony needs to be checked.
12

Gulliver,

Harare 03/09/2008 15:46:44
I think this commander-in-chief business has been used by both sides to make security issues the number one issue of the campaign, knowingly or unknowingly. We saw a lot of that during the Obama vs Clinton race, I don't think it would be wise for the Democrats to continue putting too much effort on that front because it probably works better in McCain's favor. He can point to the success of the troop surge in Iraq back a coupla' years ago to creating the conditions now favorable for the proposed troop surge in Afganistan. Of course the Obama camp can say why did we start a war that ended up distracting America's attention, and ended up required a troop-surge to correct things whilst things got out of hand in Afganistan? It's a tricky situation.

Anyway, if we are to be serious about this commander-in-chief nonesense then why don't we give the job to the Thief of Staff (oops sorry, meant chief LOL!!!) or some top general in the Pentagon with whom there will be no doubt about their readiness to assume the duties of commander-in-chief??

Before some of the men whose great military prowess has been documented became popular what experience did they have? The Alexander the Greats and all??

Experience can be an advantage SOMETIMES, but if you have the wrong kind of experience it doesn't make you better placed for the job. Politics is so dynamic that I think you're better-off with a good analyst than a great historian. Someone sharp at problem-solving (kinda' like a chess player) but who is open to advice from men who have the relevant experience. Someone who can use creative diplomatic flair to avoid violent conflict.

If you get naive civilian tough luck, if you get a battle-hungry soldier with scores to settle you're none the more better. You need some form of balance..
13

Gulliver,

Harare 03/09/2008 16:09:25
# 12, Celtic

My apologies if I appear to just have a rabid interest in bashing the USA. The truth is you will not get to experience how bad your country's foreign policy is until you go to the countries that have been ravaged by war and sanctions instigated by the US.

Whilst you are in the USA it'll be difficult for you to appreciate the war in Iraq more than the Iraqis just as you claim some may not appreciate the freedoms in the USA because they do not live there.
14

Kelvino,

New York 03/09/2008 16:31:12
Congratulations Republicans. . . . . YOU'VE GOT HIM NOW! The biggest WHINER in politics today, "Jerusalem Joe" Lieberman, switch-hitter for
the Israeli Hawks !

NO BACKSIES !
15

Kelvino,

NY 03/09/2008 16:42:26
Gulliver - No need to apologize for the truth.

Sorry to say, but most Americans could not even find Iraq on a map, much less understand what part the USA plays in the world.
16

Rosie's Opinion,

USA 03/09/2008 17:05:15
#16 Kelvino

Congratulations Kelvino, you've won the coveted whinny hater award today. Gotta love you liberals that never have anything nice to say.
17

Kelvino,

NY 03/09/2008 17:21:55
Rosie -

Thanks for your positive input. . . . .STILL, you can KEEP Lieberman and enjoy his speaking style, as we all have over the years ! However, I think that he'll be begging at our door once again, sooner than we had hoped.

As for positive news. . . well, it's positive to me that he's now on YOUR side ! It's also a beautiful day, the air is crisp, low humidity, and I was (just) able to pay my $1150./month health insurance premium !
That's also positive, right ? We self-employed tradesmen/capitalists have all the fun !
18

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 03/09/2008 17:45:01
Liberman will never beg the Democrats for anything...he stays by what he says.. he is an Independent Democrat, that Soros couldn't buy.
You remember him? The man (Left wing loony) who says he OWNS the Democratic party!! And now they owe him!!
19

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 03/09/2008 17:46:06
Neil Waugh in #8:

opinion polls show that President Bush is the most unpopular president since such polls were first taken around 1950. Polls also show that the republicans' popularity today is as low as it was in 1964. Ever since the Bush people began to lead the Republican party in the late 1980's the republicans' popularity has been going down. Only the fact that the democrats are also unpopular allows the republicans to get elected.

People who criticize the republicans are not necessarilly leftists. here's an article from a Canadian source about the bad US economy.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5797-fy0EkstPp0hV6tyJAluCxg

Most Americans are also not supportive of the aggressive US foreign policy that generates wars.
20

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 03/09/2008 17:51:03
Weird Wally
They also show the House and Senate as being the least popular with poll numbers that do not even hit double digits. Their numbers, Dem led show Americans don't trust them, don't like them, and they have done very little since becoming the majority.

Speak for yourself when you mention most Americans...Oh I forgot you can't, but you are not an American...just some pseudointellectual trying to pass himself off as one .
21

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 03/09/2008 17:56:01
http://ussliberty.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/why-should-my-family-still-love-me/

Here's an article written by a man with 1'st hand experience to tell you that the US regime is anti-American. Americans would do well to read it, especially those who support McCain. During the time when John McCain was earning the nick-name of 'songbird' McCain in North Vietnam, McCain's father was a traitor to the American people. If you don't believe me, read following links.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/index.htm

http://hope2012.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/songbird-mccain-the-evidence-in-his-own-words-his-fellow-veterans-and-his-captors/

here's a bible quote.

"Jeremiah 11:9 And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem."
22

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 03/09/2008 18:12:48
Lynne, I noticed that in #20 you mis-spelled the name of Lieberman. You can remember the correct spelling because the word 'lie' is the main part of his name.

You are correct that Republicans are still able to do well in elections due to the fact that Democrats are also unpopular. The democrats were awesomely popular in 1964 and have become very unpopular by comparison since then. But still, more Americans are loyal today to the Democrats than to the Republicans. I will yield that the only reason any Republicans get elected is because of the unpopularity of the Democrats. And I will agree with you also that since Democrats got the majority in House & Senate in 2007 they have done nothing but perpetuate the republican agenda. This has made them even more unpopular. But with McCain being a jerk and picking Palin as VP, they might win the election.

23

Kelvino,

NY 03/09/2008 19:33:18
Here's an article worth reading re: Senator Lieberman:

http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=279110

Kinda makes a person think. . . . .can you see WHY he may now be on the side of the Republicans ?
24

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 03/09/2008 20:05:56
Kelvino in 25:

Perhaps a better question would be 'can you see why he has the word "LIE" in his name'?

most American christians don't go along with the christian zionists. Thats one reason why McCain distanced himself from Hagee who the article you linked to mentions. I've explained several times here how the bible doesn't support their thinking either. here's a web-site put up by a christian opposed to the christian-zionists.

http://whtt.org/

Not only are the christian zionists a minority among the christians, an opinion poll taken a few months ago showed that 71% of the Americans wish the US government would be neutral between Israel and Palestine. Due to powerful people and lots of money supporting the zionist cause people are deceived on these points. Here is a bible verse.

"Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan."

as you know the book of Revelation is a prophecy book that deals primarily with end-times.

here's another link.

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=13193

how deceived the americans are!! see the link I put up above concerning the USS Liberty attack. John McCain's father facilitated that attack. If Admiral McCain had not called of the jets sent to defend the USS Liberty while it was under attack many Americans who died would not have died. The man is a traitor andhis son is a presidential candidate. While Obama fawns over AIPAC.


25

Madbagpypr,

STEORNABHAGH 03/09/2008 20:54:18
Sometimes I think the Yanks would like to get more involved politically, but get depressed when they look at the two major political parties. Both of them seem to be dominated by the kind of aggressively annoying individuals who always came in third for the sophomore class president. Which is to say there are NO differences between the parties. The Democrats seem to be basically nicer people, but they have demonstrated time and again that they have the management skills of pigeon droppings. They're the kind of people who'd stop to help you change a flat, but who'd somehow manage to set your car on fire. I would be reluctant to trust them with anything more complex than an olive fork, let alone the economy. The Republicans, on the other hand, would know how to fix your tyre, but they wouldn't bother to stop because they'd want to be on time for Ugly Pants Night at the country club. Also, the Republicans have a high Beady-Eyed, Self-Righteous, Scary Borderline Loon Quotient, as evidenced by Condolezza Rice, Pat Robertson, the ENTIRE STATE OF UTAH, etc.
But the biggest problem with both major parties is that they seem to be competing in some kind of giant scavenger hunt every four years to see who can find the biggest eejit to run for President. I always thought that things would improve-when somebody representing the best that America could offer, morally and intellectually, got nominated to a power post in the nation's capitol. If you remember, they got Dan Quayle, a man who-and I mean no disrespect when I say this- would not stand out, intellectually, in a vat of plankton.
I'm in no way saying I'd be a better leader. I'd be so inadequate that within a matter of days the United States would rank significantly below Belize as a world power. But at least I'd try to be an interesting leader. I wouldn't be one more pseudo-somber, blue-suited, red-tied, wingtip-shoed goober, frowning at the issues with sincerely feigned concern. I'd keep my hair long, wearing my favouri
26

Madbagpypr,

STEORNABHAGH 03/09/2008 20:59:28
favourite "Hike Scotland Naked" shirt, with my chequered Vans and X-rated adult keychain hanging from my beltloop. I'd have Uriah Heep move into the White House and play until those ol' scunners in the House of Representatives called me at 3 am to turn the music down.
27

Itchy,

03/09/2008 21:21:41
#6 how much peace and stability have you got in Zimbabwe?

Why don't you save some money and have something to eat?

Whoops! Mugabe has made both impossible.
28

Itchy,

03/09/2008 21:23:40
"11 A Clamper,Edinburgh 03/09/2008 15:29:47
#8 Anyone remotely left wing abandoned the Blair/Brown
Nu Labour Party years ago. Try and keep up."

Who is it that has been taxing the country dry in the last ten years?

George Formby?
29

SouthernGent,

03/09/2008 21:28:38
#27
I believe you have hit the nail on the head. It has been years since we actually voted FOR candidates. We tend to get to vote between the lesser of 2 evils. Education plays a big part in it, as half the population is clueless to what the issues even are and could really care less. There are no REAL people in politics anymore. Most are lawyers out to make laws for themselves and their brethren as a way of job security. Local Joe couldn't get his foot in the door if he wanted to. And the Brightest business people in the country that could turn it all around want nothing to do with politics because of the abortion called Washington.
30

Kelvino,

NY 03/09/2008 21:38:28
Madbagpypr: There is still time to enter the race !

Thanks for the insightful observations and eloquant
portrayal of our political system. Keep on piping !
31

Kelvino,

NY 03/09/2008 22:01:41
Wally: Had a look at your links. . . thanks.

It's no mystery why information such as this is hidden in non-mainstream sites. I believe that few people wish to admit that any of this could possibly be the case. So we go along our merry way and elect the maverick war hero, the savy young intellectual, the Washington veteran or the pistol-packin' mama and hope for the best. After all, in the USA, it's all about
hype !
32

Alan Reid,

NZ 03/09/2008 22:40:12
Can't believe anyone voteing for the Republicans, after all the lies and corruption had has come from them, these last eight years. Bush is a sc@mbag, as is all the b@stards that surrond him.
This war will top 3 trillion dollars and thats money thats coming from the US tax payer. Well I guess a country gets a goverment it deserves.
33

Wally,

By THe Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 03/09/2008 23:00:50
I've said many times on this forum that what is on display in America for all the world to see is the failure of mankind to rule himself. and the whole world watches as if it is something special.

Why is this pro-republican personality named Peggy Noonan bad-mouthing Sarah Palin on tv?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg

and now there is a blog at a CBS site saying that National Enquirer is running a story that will accuse Sarah Palin of adultery.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry4413030.shtml

I linked to that sensationalist magazine's front page where they are going to savage Palin. People all over America will see it when they buy groceries.

Not only that, there's gossip about the Palin's oldest son, why did he go to high school in Michigan for his senior year?

Like someone said important issues are ignored, while the partisans on both sides happily throw mud at each other's leaders. The whole discussion I tell you is orchestrated by people behind the scenes (CIA). that way the efforts to get 'we the people' having an impact are useless and the regime that rules can continue without fear.
34

SouthernGent,

03/09/2008 23:39:33
#34
You need to understand how it works. I'll vote for the devils son before I vote for the devil. Hell of a choice huh.
35

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 00:01:57
#15
I hear your pain, what the US and the UK did to Rhodesia in the 70's was awful and, frankly unacceptable!
The US is a law-unto-itself with regards to world 'stability', yet it is the great 'unsettler' of the princpial it claims to uphold! The ultimate hypocrisy?!?
36

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 04/09/2008 04:17:19
Wierd Wally, that is an oversight..I usually try and check my spelling..

You can also stop with the conspiracy theories.
We have all now met Sarah Palin, and I am more for her and McCain than before. A star was born tonight.
37

57Nomad,

california 04/09/2008 04:24:42
#15 Gulliver

Gulliver said:

"Whilst you are in the USA it'll be difficult for you to appreciate the war in Iraq more than the Iraqis just as you claim some may not appreciate the freedoms in the USA because they do not live there."

Oh really? Hey, pal, we have had 35,000 casualties in Iraq so spare us the smarmy remarks. We know something about the effects of war. When you say, "just as you claim some may not appreciate the freedoms in the USA." Who is claiming this? You are the first person I've heard or seen say such a thing. Is there someone on this thread who has claimed this?

You claim to be in a position to critique our foreign policy, but all I ever see from you is carping. Will you please explain to us what your idea of a successful foreign policy would be. While you're doing that, remember that saying, "I wouldn't do this and I wouldn't do that, is no answer. What would you do and why would it improve on whats being done now?


38

Gulliver,

Harare 04/09/2008 10:11:26
# 57, Nomad

On the "freedoms" # 10 made a claim.

35,000 casualties, that's very sad. How about the over 500,000 children who died because of the trade sanctions imposed by the Clinton regime during the 90s? And the more than 150,000+ civilian deaths as a direct result of the violence in Iraq during the Bush era? How many children are being orphaned and are dying from preventable diseases and due to lack of access to clean water and health care facilities as we speak? (google Iraq war and go to the wikipedia site).

If you made your initial statement out of ignorance perhaps there is hope for you. If you knew the above stats and still proceeded to make your statement then that's rather unfortunate. Life is life, whether it's an American life, a Maori life, an Iraqi life. Our judgments and interpretations shouldn't be warped by prejudices based on supremacist ideas on anything like that. Continuing on that path would be very unfortunate for mankind.

39

Gulliver,

Harare 04/09/2008 11:13:55
A successful foreign policy? I am not a politician or schooled much in that area. However, I can point out how I would imagine it should be. Like any policy it should contain in it:

I. A broad but clear vision to be attained (E.g., to be the global leader in creating conditions for the advancement of humanity. Human beings can advance more when there is peaceful co-existence,reduced poverty, freerer trade and fair economic intercourse) Such a policy would also need,

II. A mission statement explaining broadly how the vision will be attained- e.g., We will use our heritage, values/moral strength, technology, finances, communication skills, etc. to help transform the world into a better place for people of diverse religious, political and economic beliefs. As we take part in that transformation we will not assume we know-it-all but will be open to ideas and look to others as equal partners in this endeavor.

II. Principles/values to guide it to the attainment of such a vision (e.g.,
Because we realise that the source of most conflicts and humanitarian catastrophies in the world are caused by greed resulting gross inequalities in wealth distribution and economic emancipation brought about by various historical and modern-day socio-economic processes.
- because the majority of world conflicts are struggle to control economic resources we will pursue mutually beneficial economic interests ahead of simple one-sided economic interests. We will use the power of pursation and negotiation to obtain resources and not impose our will through military means (directly or indirectly) on smaller countries.

- We will also pursue security interests ahead of economic interests to protect the very ideals we believe in.

- We will use a multi-pronged approach to attaining peaceful and friendly co-existence with all the nations of the world. Such facets will include diplomacy being the chief tool, whilst other tools such as military force and economic embargoes will take a
40

Gulliver,

Harare 04/09/2008 11:44:42
embargoes to pursue diplomacy ahead of conflict and,

-to keep the option of resolution through dialogue even in conflict situations,
- to engage all peoples of all nations without prejudice based on race, color, creed, sex, religion..., etc.),

III. It would also need to define a set of desired behaviours, procedures even.
- We will use our communication skills and technology etc., propose our ideals to the world but will not impose them on the world through weapons and military engagement.
- When our ideals are directly threatened on Zimbabwean soil we will not hesitate to use force to drive out the enemy and maintain our territorial integrity, however, we will engage our allies and foes in a transparent manner and exercise goodwill and a fair and open mind in all negotiations.
41

Gulliver,

Harare 04/09/2008 12:09:30
etc..etc.. etc.. The differences between the policy I have just enunciated above and the US foreign policy is that whilst BUSH believes it's about staying on the offensive to attain peace and security of the US that policy only works in the short-term.

You create more stability and peace by creating partnerships and respecting other people's ideas when they differ from your own. You go further by acknowledging that what works for you might not always work for other people. Whilst the hybrid monarch-parliament system of governance might work well in Swaziland and Britain it might not work quite as well in the US, and therefore Swaziland should not try and impose what works for it to the US!! Democracy is an ideal competing amongst several other systems of governance, it is also a process not an event.

Might is not always right!
42

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 19:08:46
Gulliver is speaking the truth to King Nimrod (Nomad). he's under-stating his case as well.

Nomad is a fool to speak of 35,000 US casualties in the IRaq war. It is a lot higher than that. Documents from the US military showed that during some of the last several years we had that many people in just 1 years' time getting brain-damage from the IED's and these people were not counted in the official stats as injured people. The pain & death inflicted on many people around the world by US policies are something the Americans' minds are carefully insulated from both by the propaganda and their own desires to be ignorant on this matter.

 

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