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Republican delight as Palin accepts vice-presidential nomination



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Published Date: 04 September 2008
REPUBLICAN vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin portrayed herself as a "pit bull in lipstick" and lived up to her words as she savaged Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama in the most important speech of her career.
The 44-year-old first female Alaskan governor was unflinching as she strode on to the party's national convention stage to a roaring standing ovation and set out to show she was the right choice as John McCain's running mate.

Skilfully balancing her toughness and femininity, Mrs Palin, who earned her nickname "Sarah Barracuda" through her tough games of basketball, said that, unlike Mr Obama, she had had "actual responsibilities" in the past.

"Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election," she said.

"In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."

As she continued attacking her political rivals, Mrs Palin, who has described herself as a "hockey mum", joked that the only difference between a hockey mum and a pit bull was lipstick.

Referring to Mr Obama's experience in Chicago, she said: "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organiser', except that you have actual responsibilities."

To loud applause from the convention floor, she referred to Mr Obama's comments earlier this year that some voters in Pennsylvania were "bitter" and "cling to guns or religion".

"I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening," she said.

"We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco."

She went on: "We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers. And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

"But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform – not even in the state senate.

"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word 'victory' except when he's talking about his own campaign."

Watched by her husband Todd, known as the "First Dude" of Alaska, and her family who have been at the centre of a political storm this week, the mother-of-five set out to dismiss questions about her experience, and about John McCain's judgment in choosing her, after a series of potentially damaging revelations.

Her unwed teenage daughter is pregnant, Mr McCain met the former beauty queen only once before making his decision, and her office is being investigated over the dismissal of a commissioner who refused to fire her former brother-in-law, a state trooper, following a messy divorce from her sister.

But she came out fighting with a speech which appealed to the Republican party's conservative base and which also highlighted her small-town values in a bid to woo some of Hillary Clinton's disillusioned former supporters.

Mr McCain's running mate also mocked Mr Obama for holding his convention speech on an elaborate columned-stage last week.

"When the cloud of rhetoric has passed, when the roar of the crowd fades away, when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot – what exactly is our opponent's plan?

"What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?

"The answer is to make government bigger, take more of your money, give you more orders from Washington, and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world."

She also criticised the media which has raised questions about her background and family and said: "I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion – I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country."

Mrs Palin topped a night of attacks on Mr Obama from Mr McCain's former presidential rivals, including former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani.

She also stressed her family values and said "no family ever seems typical".

"That's how it is with us. Our family has the same ups and downs as any other, the same challenges and the same joys."

In an early indication of one role she may take on as vice president, Mrs Palin, whose youngest son Trig has Down Syndrome, said the parents of special needs children would have a "friend and advocate" in the White House if she was elected on the Republican ticket.

Away from the political rhetoric, millions of TV viewers saw her youngest daughter Piper, seven, cradle her four-month-old brother Trig while licking her hand and trying to pat down his hair her mother her family to America and the world.

Mrs Palin's oldest daughter Bristol, 17 – the centre of a media frenzy this week – held hands with her fiance Levi Johnston, 18, who flew to the convention from Alaska after the family announced Bristol was due to give birth to their baby in December.

The 18-year-old high school hockey player, who described himself as a "f*****' redneck" in an obscenity-laden entry on the popular networking site MySpace, wore a smart blue jacket and tie for his first appearance on the national stage.

Mrs Palin kissed Mr Johnston on the cheek when he joined her on stage, along with the other members of the Palin family, during a rousing standing ovation at the end of her speech.

Mr McCain also emerged from backstage to congratulate Mrs Palin and her family.

"Don't you think we made the right choice for the next vice president of the United States?" he said.

"What a beautiful family."

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1

Palermo,

04/09/2008 12:52:43
she's a winner
2

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04/09/2008 13:11:07
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JG,

Fife 04/09/2008 13:18:25
Is that woman's voice annoying or what?
4

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 04/09/2008 13:22:45
She's everything that Wendy Alexander wasn't.
Get ready for two more months of the Sarah Palin Show (co-starring John McCain).
She's doing exactly what Alex is doing. Going over the heads of the media and the chattering classes - who have no intention of cutting them an even break anyway - and directly to the people.
Putting the hockey star/daddy on the stage was bril.
5

Scullion,

Canada 04/09/2008 13:53:46
#2 Spot on.
Don't confuse demagoguery with ability or doing the right thing. The world is full of articulate incompetents-especially when their words are spun by highly paid speech writers.
The question is-do Americans want to do the right thing or are they so afraid of taxes that they'll vote in anyone who'll promise another 10 bucks in their pocket?
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Kelvino,

NY 04/09/2008 13:55:28
Congratulations, Sarah ! Great Speech, compelling stage presence. You have many, many women who share your Cinderella moment. Women deserve this honor.

Annie Oakley would be proud ! Now let's hear about
your world-view, your thoughts on the role the USA plays in the "free market" that BOTH parties have
worked to the advantage of our patriotic multi-national corporations.

WHERE'S MY JOB, DUDETTE ?
WHERE ARE THE JOBS FOR NORMAL, WORKING CLASS KIDS WHO CAN'T AFFORD COLLEGE ? WAL*MART ? CRABBIN' IN THE ARCTIC ? JIFFY LUBE ? Enough flag-wavin'. . . .
what are you going to do for us, really !
7

Yane,

04/09/2008 14:05:01
"We've all heard his dramatic speeches to devoted followers" she says of Obama — just like hers is.
Pit bull, haven't you had enough pit bulls?
8

Laurette,

So Cal. 04/09/2008 14:07:49
Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan." (Palin's Speech)

I thought we sent our troops into Iraq to find WMD,"Free" the Iraqis and bring them Democracy? Instead we have killed thousands, displaced thousands more, killed and maimed thousands of our troops - all in the name of our God? Is this how we are going to conduct our foreign policy in a McCain/Palin Administration? Palin also insists that it is God's plan for us to drill in ANWR. Are we going to further dim the Separation of Church and State? Scary.
9

Kelvino,

NY 04/09/2008 14:36:54
Living in a VERY rural part of upstate NY, I see what happens to local young people who barely get through high school. The boys either enlist in the service
or attempt to be roofers; the girls either immediately have babies or enroll in some form of health-care job. Roofers and nurses. Soldiers and
welfare mamas. . .white, rural America. Some try continuing the family farm and then give it up. I want to hear from BOTH parties what they plan for
our kids. WILL THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANYTHING ELSE BUT BE "VOLUNTEERS" IN FOREIGN WARS OR CHANGE DIAPERS FOR THE ELDERLY ?

We need to seriously look at who promises educational opportunities for our kids, so we can at least keep up with the development,technology and discipline we saw recently in Beijing.
10

sonofhamish,

edinburgh 04/09/2008 15:17:46
Only slightly more annoying than Salmon.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 15:24:33
Can one of our U.S. contributors explain to me what a "Hockey mom" is, and what possible relevance this could have for the job of V.P. and maybe explain to Sarah Palin, since she asked the question herself, what is it that the Vice - President actually does on a day to day basis.
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r1niceboy,

Nebraska 04/09/2008 15:30:56
I find it funny that the GOP were accusing were accusing the Democrats of attacking her children for acknowledging their existence, yet her speech was at first a "Hockey Mom" pep rally, then a half hour personal attack on Obama.

She's not winning everyone over here. people here in the midwest like their political women serious and matronly. Palin will energize the GOP base, but won't get much traction elsewhere, especially as it appears she's being sent out to be the attack dog.

The Democrats just need to pitch her against McCaskill of Missouri, and Sebilius of Kansas, Both female governors, who can effectively take her behind the woodshed
13

Kate,

Zurich 04/09/2008 15:40:14
If she was any good, or even professional, she would surely not need to lower herself to these insults against Barack Obama!

How can she claim he has no experience, when she has never even been out of the country...

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Sandi,

San Diego 04/09/2008 15:56:43
#12 A Clamper

You may recall that George W. Bush and his campaigns talked a lot about "soccer moms", middle class moms whose kids played soccer. That was how they pulled in enough middle class women to win. Sarah Palin is a hockey mom, ie her son played ice hockey, which is very popular in Alaska. I think it's a kind of tongue-in-cheek referral, because not nearly as many kids play ice hockey as play soccer. My son played for couple of seasons and the gear they need is quite expensive.

I watched her speech, and as the parent of a special needs child, I can say it would be nice to have someone in the White House advocating for our children and for intellectually disabled adults. Hillary Clinton has done a lot in this area, and if Sarah Palin joined up with her, it would make a tremendous difference.

The Obama camp is so terrified of this woman that Obama himself is making snide remarks about her. She is pretty authentic, a pretty normal person, with all the ups and downs of normal people who have real lives unlike the marketing facade that is Obama.

Up until Dick Cheney became the VP, the person holding that position didn't have all that much to do. Al Gore was quite involved, but otherwise the VP represents the president at funerals, makes some public appearances, but is mainly there so that if the president dies, there is an immediate replacement. If the presdient is out of communication for any reason, like having a general anesthetic, the VP is "in charge". The bottom line is that it is up to each president to decide how much or how little to involve their VP. It is not in any way the gruelling job that being the actual president is.
15

Helene,

Ontario, Canada 04/09/2008 16:01:02
I've yet to figure out what "small-town" values are? Can anyone explain?
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Sandi,

San Diego 04/09/2008 16:05:43
#15 Kate,

Sarah Palin has been out of the country, last year she visited, without having to have a media entourage, Alaskan troops in Kuwait, Iraq and in hospital in Germany. The same hospital Obama decided to skip visiting because it would be too "political". What he really meant was that he wouldn't be able to use pictures of himself visiting the troops.

She has also negotiated a major deal with Canada (a foreign country) and her energy policy is so good that Obama has added it to his own agenda. Like most other things, he takes it from someone else, he has no ideas of his own, then claims responsibility for it.

She is very right wing, and I don't agree with many of her political views, but she is a great addition to the Republican ticket.

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Kelvino,

NY 04/09/2008 16:07:04
What's a "Hockey Mom?"

A tundra version of a "soccer mom," a generally derogatory term for an overworked, under-appreciated "you can do it all" kind of mother, compelled to drive her offspring (and everyone else's) here and there, never receiving adequate thanks from anyone. A mental condition driven by guilt and mismanagement of time and effort, generally leading to illiteracy and extra-marital affairs. Kids use her as
a floor mat and dad is glad to have her out of the house !

I would imagine that Bristol's beau, Levi Johnston, is a product of this sysyem; not only are they driving him around, but also have him up on stage at the convention ! A mom can never do enough for her kids !
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Laurette,

So Cal 04/09/2008 16:21:44
#
Sandi:
The same hospital Obama decided to skip visiting because it would be too "political". What he really meant was that he wouldn't be able to use pictures of himself visiting the troops.

You know that is a falsehood.
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 04/09/2008 16:26:56
A Hockey Mom is about as far opposite from Hillary Clinton as you can get.
I've got one in my house too. Sometimes doubling as a Lacrosse Mom. I'm sure there's an ample supply of Football Moms and Rugger Moms around Scotland. I've no doubt that Chris Hoy had a Cycling Mom.
I hope that helps. But considering some of the locked in positions on this thread, probably not.
Oh by the way, Sarah can also field dress a moose.
Not a bad couple of skill sets for the Veep job.
20

Golly,

04/09/2008 16:40:17
gus1940 & Scullion should be ashamed for calling her a Nazi.
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04/09/2008 16:41:13
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 04/09/2008 16:45:08
3 JG,Fife

Only if you're a hater.
23

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 04/09/2008 16:48:20
Newt's response to the left wing media's attack of Sarah Palin. He had a great response when the liberal reporter asked about Palins experience, naturally he expalined in detail how Obama has NONE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8zXi90EVeg

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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 04/09/2008 16:52:31
Palin portrayed herself as a "pit bull in lipstick"

Nice of the Scotsman to take that out of context. As she looked out in the audience she saw several signs "Hockey Moms for Palin" and she said the joke "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? and she answered "Lipstick".


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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 04/09/2008 17:03:32
#12 A Clamper

Similar to soccer moms but your children are much tougher, even tougher than rugby players.
26

Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 17:12:24
Kelvino, you asked what the 2 parties wanted to do for the bad economic situation that you describe. Both parties have participated strongly to give us the policies that we have that have made this situation. There's really little differences, only small marginal differences between the 2 parties on the big policies that have created the situation you describe.

We've got 'free trade' treaties combined with an artificially strong currency. This is a recipe for domestic disaster when it comes to jobs & wages. The World Bank is a New World Order institution, meaning of course the same mercantile clique that controls the World Bank controls the US. The World Bank forces many very poor countries to peg their currency direct to the US dollar with no opportunity for floating the US dollar's value. And those currencies are set artificially low to ours'. Many oil rich countries still to this day also fix their currencies artificially low to the dollar. Many successful exporting countries like china, s. Korea & Japan recycle the dollars they earn in trade back to the US by lending or investing the money here. In this way we are made debtors and they buy up our properties. But in the process it suppresses their currency's value and pushes ours' upward and in an artificial way. There are other schemes as well devoted to propping up the US dollar artificially.

In a free trade atmosphere when a country has an artificially expensive currency, then that means that all the products & services produced inside that country are also priced artificially expensive relative to competitors in other countries. The American people who seek jobs in the economy are the big losers in this scheme.

Both parties have worked together over a period of decades to facilitate these types of policies. The presidents and their administrations merely do as the real rulers tell them to accomplish these things. It is never spoken of in the mass media for a reason, because it is n
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 17:13:59
It is never spoken of in the mass media for a reason, because it is not what the people who rule us want to be discussed.

At least Obama does talk about changing up the trade policies to address this. But I've no confidence in him to address this. Ron Paul was the candidate who would have addressed this situation.

It takes $1.43 dollars to buy a euro now. A couple of months ago I think it took over $1.60 dollars to buy a euro. So, the dollar has gotten stronger recently. The dollar has had no adjustment of significance to the japanese yen the last 7-8 years. There's been a small adjustment to the chinese yuan beginning in 2005, but the dollar was grossly over-valued to the dollar.

These other countries make sure that their currencies have a low value to the dollar so that they can export and nurture domestic jobs. If we speak about doing that for our country, then many people will tell us that we are jingoistic or racist - including fools and idiots among us.

Many Republicans wish to create jobs inside the US by importing large numbers of people to not be citizens, but to work jobs that companies say they cannot hire Americans for. This fellow Tancredo sponsored legislation where the US Department of Labor would set targets for wages in different labor categories and then import people on special visas until those wage targets were met. That is Tancredo does want a system whereby the US government forces wages down on purpose by importing semi-slaves. It is not an insult or an exaggeration to call the visa holders semi-slaves. These are people whose existence in our country depends on the good will of an employer who sponsors their existence per the law. They are not allowed to go out and seek jobs on the economy, they must work for 1 sponsor employer and nobody else. If that one sponsor employer fires them, they must leave the country. They fit the classic definition of indentured servants. In the 1600's and early 1700's many people
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 17:14:50
They fit the classic definition of indentured servants. In the 1600's and early 1700's many people came to the US as indentured servants from Scotland, Ireland and Africa. The indentured servitude institution was a pre-cursor to the slavery institution.

To be honest, the Republicans are much more likely to support these employment visas than democrats, but both parties tend to support them.

In my home state of Arizona the republican legislature and the democrat governor together are conspiring to institute a state sponsored visa program. The Mexican consulate locally has a long list of people who work in our economy and are illegal immigrants. The employers will get the names of such people from the Mexican consulate and sponsor them as legal workers. But these people will not be citizens (right away at least) and will only be legal if they work for that one employer.

At least in upstate New York you do not have the flood of foreigners from the south coming in to take the elderly care and the roofer jobs the way we have here in Arizona.

The Americans are a people who are completely deceived and have no clue that the regime that rules them is against them.
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we the people,

04/09/2008 17:40:54
isn't it interesting how female politicians in the u.s have to (or feel they have to) demonstrate a level of machismo that would be deemed unseemly in a male candidate? all that pit bull stuff, hillary c mouthing off about obliterating iran. peculiar.
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Susan S. M.,

Bloomington, MN 04/09/2008 17:50:35
Oy the mess here in Minnesota!

While I'm delighted that another woman is running for the White House, even though not the top spot, I am appalled by Republican women - "Stepford Woman" - and the choice of this uncouth, inexperienced ditzy "broad" who will not control her (or her daughters') pregnancies, yet will kill any wolf spotted in Alaska, is absolutley ridiculous and propagates the bad, bad image the US has around the world. Yuck! Save us from God-invoking, gun-toting, hunter red-necks!
31

Laurette,

So Cal. 04/09/2008 17:52:27
#30 Wally - while you bring up the illegal immigrant subject - the Right Wing is wishful that our Constitution be changed to ban gays marrying and abortion - but do nothing about changing the 14th Amendment to disallow Citizenship to children of parents who are here illegaly. Could it be because businesses enjoy the cheap labor that their families provide? It would seem inflicting their morality upon us trumps the economic burden that illegals impose on the States.
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Sandi,

San Diego 04/09/2008 18:00:04
#20 laurette,

No, it's not false, it's true. Obama is all about media coverage. That's how you build up this marketing wonder, the Obama Brand.

There was absolutely nothing stopping Obama from visiting the troops at Landstuhl. He was not allowed to take any campaign people or media with him, that's all. Those are the standing rules when politicians visit our injured troops so that the troops can't be used for political purposes. So, why didn't Obama go ahead with a personal visit? As a US Senator, he can visit the troops whenever he wants and this visit was pre-arranged.
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Conan,

Moffat 04/09/2008 18:00:41
Wally, hows things in your own little world today in the US?

I see you are of the opinion that many people came from Africa to what was to become the US as 'indentured servants'?

No, actually, Wally they came as SLAVES.

People did come from Scotland and elsewhere in Britain as 'indentured servants' - which arrangement at the time was very common throughout Britain.

But, as to the story and Mrs. Palin ... good for her.

She seems to be a fine person who has a good grasp of life's practilities, the US will indeed be fortunate if she and Mr. McCain are elected instead of that plastic ponce, Obama.

It is too bad we don't have the likes of her available here in Scotland (or in the UK, for that matter) - instead being stuck with a bunch of self-puffing pontificators who lack even the slightest clue about how to accomplish much of anything other than work on their own persionable service and their next higher-paying job and how to sell us down the river like the African slaves of old.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 18:01:02
Well thanks for all of your explanations of "Hockey mom". So far, i have -
"It's like Tony Blair pretending to be Working Class"
"It's like George Dubyas' "soccer moms" to pull in the Middle Class voters"
"A mental condition driven by guilt"
"About as far opposite of Hilary Clinton as you can get"
"A pit bull with lipstick"
"Moms with tougher children than Rugby players"

Any more definitions :)
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Sandi,

San Diego 04/09/2008 18:02:14
#33 laurette,

The right wing would love to change the 14th Amendment too. In fact, a huge number of Americans would like to change that.
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Hickory,

US 04/09/2008 18:07:56
Aye, this wee lass knows where the thistle is soft and where it is prickly. Yea, she can wield the dirk or claymore. Stand in the way and ye will feel her steel.
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we the people,

04/09/2008 18:09:28
yeah conan we need people who want education driven by religious dogma, who want the state to control women's bodies, and who think gun ownership's positive thing.
oh, and who take same ridiculous attitude to global warming that they take to evolution.
no thanks, alaska can keep her.
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Scullion,

Canada 04/09/2008 18:10:04
#20, I most certainly didn't say she was a Nazi and neither did the poster whose opinion was removed.
All we were saying is that someone who works a crowd into a frenzy (especially a crowd who thinks the same as the speaker to begin with) does not reflect their ability to lead. To be fair, I'll say the same thing about Obama. I just think Obama will lead America, and thus the free world, in the right direction and the Republican party won't (or can't).
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Scullion,

Canada 04/09/2008 18:11:22
Sorry, I meant #22.
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57Nomad,

04/09/2008 18:14:13
#2 gus

gus said:

"It was like watching a Nuremberg Rally."

Really, you were at a Nuremberg Rally? How old are you, anyway? And, one wonders, why were you
there in the first place? Did you get to carry one of those cool torches?

They are, as you point out nearly identical. Just a couple of trifling differences. I'll mention a few, and then offer some photos so readers can see what a fair minded guy you are.

At the Nuremberg rallies, most of the attendees were German soldiers in uniform. As you can see by the photos of the Republican convention, the Polish people once again have reason to fear. They (the Republicans) weren't in their storm trooper uniforms, but don't let that fool you. A 60 year old lady in a straw hat today, a fiendish commando tomorrow. Then, and I don't want to belabor the obvious, there were the balloons. I don't recall ever seeing a picture of the Nuremberg Rallies where a couple thousand balloons were showered down on 'der fuhrer.'

Nonetheless, these insidious similarities must be investigated! I will bet you big money that there was a guy named, 'Albert' at both places. See how the pieces begin to fall together? And, and this is the most damning evidence both the Nuremberg Rallies AND the Republican convention have this in common. There were people facing the podium upon which the speakers stood, and in both instances the speakers, Adolph Hitler and his look-alike Sarah Palin both stood facing the audience and then spoke to them through microphones.

I know that the nay sayers will comment on how many of the people at the Republican convention were well past their soldiering years, and about half of them were women, some not up to the physical standards of your average SS guy, but isn't that just quibbling? These damning photos show the uncanny resemblance between the two. Gus, you are one sharp cat to match these two events. Just look at the photos and then tell me that you can tell them apart. I dare you.


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57Nomad,

04/09/2008 18:16:14
#42contd

Gus, you are one sharp cat to match these two events. Just look at the photos and then tell me that you can tell them apart. I dare you.

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=91494&rendTypeId=4

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/2660097.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=6E41E83E90A345BDA9B3CC3FC8997F12A55A1E4F32AD3138

Now look at these:

http://staging.minnesotaindependent.mypublicsquare.com/files/minnesotaindependent/rnc-faq-how-many/Picture_9.png

http://www.4president.us/blog/photos/2008/TheMinneapolisSaintPaul2008HostCommittee_C368/IMG_5076.jpg

Here's a chilling resemblance to the Hitler youth deal, terrifying.

http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/765*498/1gop.JPG

Thanks for the heads-up on the Nazi deal, Gus. I'm just trying to help get the word out.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 18:27:34
Conan in 35:

It seems that in 35 your comments towards me are not constructive. There were many Africans in the 1600's that did come to America voluntarilly as indentured servants under the exact same arrangement that people came from Scotland, Ireland and England. There were many also who came involuntarilly and were put into that same indentured servant arrangement. There were a couple of generations of Africans who became free in America after putting in their indentured servitude.

There were many Africans in the 1600's who were free and were prosperous and fitting in normally just as the whites who had likewise become free after serving their time. It was the king of England that determined that all of the Africans should be enslaved and many of them who were free were forced to become slaves again. After these things occurred it was primarilly English slave-traders that brought many Africans to America against their will and sold them as slaves, an institution that the king of england imposed onto us.

How that is relevant is that Kelvino asked how the 2 parties planned on creating jobs. The Republicans have made it known that they wish to create jobs by giving us a new 'indentured servitude' system. The new indentured servitude systems were first created by Republicans in the mid-1980's. We've had many millions of people come to our country since then under these arrangements. We've suffered a 40%-50% decline in the propensity of young Americans to study engineering in the universities as a result of these arrangements as private employers would normally rather hire indentured servants than free labor. But these indentured servants are not limited to any particular type of work, they in fact do all kinds of work. There are millions of them in our economy today, we don't know how many because our government does not facilitate that we know. At first the Democrats opposed it, but in time they supported it. The Republicans have made it know
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 18:29:09
The Republicans have made it known they want to greatly increase these programs as I said. Democrats generally do go along.

Its really no different from the system imposed by the a$$hole king of england centuries ago. Stupid people both in America and outside of America are so filled with ignorance and blind passions that are carefully nurtured in them that they can't even listen to this information. The human condition is such that we will be ruled over by evil people in this world. Conan demonstrates that people outside of America are really no different from people inside of America on this point.
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Kelvino,

NY 04/09/2008 18:37:31
Wally - Your posting was well-presented and much appreciated ! I fear that much of what you say is indeed the truth, more than I care to acknowledge. We are so divided and blinded by both parties ("divide and conquer. . .") that we react to the most inane political remarks, associations, nuances, etc. as if they actually mattered. In the meantime, the
corporate system marches on and we have absolutely no say as to who really rules what ! All we can do is pick faces, personalities, ones who seem to be "just like us!" Moose burgers, war medals, hockey moms, "God's will," teenage pregnancy, "elitism," etc. etc. are all diversions. We Americans love to chew ourselves up, don't we ? Keeps us from actually figuring out what is going on behind the scenes. . . .

By the way, there are no real jumps in any polls that I have seen today as a result of the Republican convention coverage. Obama still appears to be approx. 6 points ahead in most polls. . . very interesting ! Don't get out the hockey sticks just yet !

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Wally,

By THe Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 18:54:25
Kelvino, thanks for the feedback. and what you said about Republicans not yet getting a bounce is exactly the info I was just looking to find out. I hope the republicans get nothing out of this convention, Sarah Palin, etc. She's a very divisive figure, gets republicans to rally around and democrats to hate republicans. That is just what the doctor ordered to keep the 2-party fraud system going. that is the agenda and Palin is just a pawn in it.

I hope Obama wins and that the democrats increase their strength across the board because Republicans have really screwed up bad since 2001. However, I put no confidence in the democrats. I gloat over the fact that many around the world are deceived just as many of the Americans are. They love to kick us, but our flaws are their flaws.
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Hattie,

RAF Kinloss 04/09/2008 19:07:23
#40 Scullion,Canada

"All we were saying is that someone who works a crowd into a frenzy (especially a crowd who thinks the same as the speaker to begin with) does not reflect their ability to lead."

Sounds like you are speaking about Obama :)
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American,

04/09/2008 19:18:06
#9-laurette-Actually, our troops have found wmds in iraq since the beginning of the war. But, of course, you wouldnt know this because the little news articles of these discoveries are hidden somewhere in the paper-if the lib media published this news at all.

#15-katie- My son, spouse, and myself have traveled outside the country. Do I now qualify as a candidate who can run for president?

#10-kelvin-Anyone can make promises.
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American,

04/09/2008 19:21:30
#15-kate-Heaven forbid anyone insult obama the messiah! Why is it that only he and his party can do the insulting and twisting of truths???
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American,

04/09/2008 19:24:32
#20-laurette-No, sandi is right. It's not a falsehood that obama cancelled his veterans hospital visit because photographers were not allowed in. No pictures for his campaign that way, so instead--he had a workout at the gym.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 19:40:39
as the headline says Republicans delight in Palin. But Gallup just released a poll.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110017/Intense-Political-Week-Brings-Decline-Swing-Voters.aspx

It seems that as a result of the Palin selection & speech last night there is no bounce whatsoever for the McCain candidacy. In fact, it seems the other way around.
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SouthernGent,

04/09/2008 20:20:27
#19
"A mental condition driven by guilt and mismanagement of time and effort, generally leading to illiteracy and extra-marital affairs. Kids use her as
a floor mat and dad is glad to have her out of the house ! "

Maybe you should consider getting out of "very rural upstate NY" if this represents your "hockey moms". This is a free country, and you may want to relocate someplace where "hockey moms" are just ordinary mothers.
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SouthernGent,

04/09/2008 20:26:20
#33
"Could it be because businesses enjoy the cheap labor that their families provide? "

Shame on you for trying to make this into a "right wing" conspiracy. In case you haven't noticed, BOTH parties benefit from the illegals and NEITHER is willing to do anything about it. Yes, businesses benefit (and so do all your democratic Wal-mart shoppers) and the democratic party benefits because they know if/when they grant amnesty, they will most likely ALL vote for the democrats (the party of handouts).
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 21:12:57
Governor Sebelius of Kansas made some great points in her press conference today.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/sebelius-accuses-palin-of_n_123883.html

As mayor of Wasilla Palin did a lot of unusual things to acquire so much aid from Washington, $1,200 per capita. Someone said that small town mayors normally do this, but Sebilius says that this is not true. and I believe Sebilius. Palin seeks big government, that is her track record, and to think otherwise is to be foolish. Ron Paul by contrast does not. But Republicans no longer try to hide that they believe in tax & spend in a big way.

The Anchorage Daily News points out that Palin told some lies to the nation last night.

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515517.html

Palin's record as mayor was that she increased spending dramatically, much faster than the city's population grew. She increased taxes and she left behind a lot of debt when she left.

http://www.kissmybigbluebutt.com/palin_2006%5B1%5D.pdf

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 21:18:58
oh, and ifyou want to read what a person who's known Palin for decades and has seen her operate in government, then read this.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4230

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SouthernGent,

04/09/2008 21:54:47
#56
She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska, she must be doing something right. Leave it to you to post opinions from the 20%.
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mike - across the pond,

time to get my wally beating stick 04/09/2008 22:18:50
WALLY....

are you gonna thrash the living bajeebers out of the mayor of Ketchikan?

he went a fishing for $50,000+ per capita on the "bridge to nowhere".... which really wasnt a bridge to nowhere... if you think about it... it was a bridge from Ketchikan which is a pretty large seaport (for that area) to their airport...

btw I have an uncle who is mayor of a TINY town (less than 200 people) 8 years ago he got a grant of a half a million dollars.... to pave 3 streets in his town... the first time those streets have been paved EVER.... including the street the post office and general store are on and NO he doesnt own EITHER thats $2,500 per capita...

$1,200 per capita is really small potatoes dont you think? BTW, what was the money FOR?

sounds to me like sebellius is just shilling for the DNC... and blew ALL her credibily.... it would be interesting to see what the federal grants are like "per capita"... bet you for "small town" stuff, $1200 is pretty normal...

and your guy, BO (BTW, if your mission to tear down McCain you ARE a BO guy) he got a $200000 earmark for a church school in his district..... I think it served 150 kids... that's $1,250 per capita.....

dunno what your problem is wally.... why do you have to be such a HATER???
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Edinburgh Noddy,

04/09/2008 22:39:58
"What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? and she answered "Lipstick".

Why would a pit bull wear lipstick?
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JG,

Fife 04/09/2008 23:12:00
#24 "Stretch"

"Only if you're a hater."

What does that mean? I've just seen Mike use the same expression above - is it just that 'you guys' have to give everything a label so you can understand things? What are we all supposed to be 'hating'?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/09/2008 23:16:03
Mike, I'm opposed to government spending of that sort. Politicians who engage in it I do not like to support.

Atlantic magazine found some Alaska state policemen who say that her home-town where she has her 'executive experience' as mayor is the meth capital of Alaska.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/wasilla-the-met.html

When she was first elected mayor of that town (population under 5,000 at the time) she fired the city's police chief, she was quoted in the paper as saying it was because he was over 200 pounds and gave her a stern look. Others think it was because he supported her political opponent. Then when she tried to hire a new police chief the #1 pick she had in mind turned the job down, paper said he said the job was 'too political'. Perhaps if this wonderful executive had a focus on law enforcement instead of politics, then perhaps her home-town would not be the meth capital of Alaska.

Gallup poll came out today, says that a lot of undecided voters did decide after the Palin selection & speech. They're breaking 2-1 for Obama. Obama's polling over 50% now.
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Silence of the Yams,

04/09/2008 23:17:57
She sure knows how to slam dunk that stuttering fraud on the Dem ticket!
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 04/09/2008 23:18:06
I reckon that if Obama wins in November, Palin will be the Republican candidate in 4 years time. She is America's Maggie Thatcher but with more glamour.
If McCain wins, I reckon he might do only a 4 year term and Palin is the shoo-in for the Republicans where she will face Hillary in the Presidential election. the US will have a women president within the next ten years.

As for Obama I think Palin demolished him. It would have been harder for Palin to have done that to Hillary Clinton. The Democrats have picked the wrong guy/gal for president.
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Newman!,

04/09/2008 23:18:45
Kelvino - liked your post at #10. You seem to be a pretty clear thinking american. Is anyone in the election discussing why the US spends more on military then the rest of the planet combined?
Anyone asking why Dick Cheney just gave Georgia (not the american one) one billion dollars thats $1billion? Would that not be better spent say in New Orleans?
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Laurette,

So Cal 04/09/2008 23:35:09
#37 Sandi

So why aren't they and instead focusing on Abortion and Gay Marriage? It is the Right Wing who is pushing these two, so why wouldn't they jump on that also if they had a mind to?
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Laurette,

So Cal. 04/09/2008 23:44:05
Spokesperson Linda Douglass said: "We told military officials explicitly that Senator Obama had absolutely no intention of bringing any members of the media or photographers in with him to visit the wounded warriors. In all of our communications with the military, we stressed that this was to be a private visit by Senator Obama." Guess she was lying?

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Eboneesha,

05/09/2008 00:19:45
3 JG,Fife

I guess when you are on the wrong side of an issue you have to come up with stupid insults like that.
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JG,

Fife 05/09/2008 00:27:48
#67 Eboneesha
I'm not on the wrong side of anything. I heard a bit of the woman's speech on our news yesterday and in the section I heard the tone of her voice was a bit like having your ears removed with a cheese grater. My opinion! You have no idea what my views are on well, ANYTHING, really!!
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Whitecaps,

Vancouver, Cda 05/09/2008 00:50:29
@67 Eboneesha

Sounds like JG is perfect, never wrong, and you need to steer clear of him/her.
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Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 05/09/2008 03:20:49
Eboneesha in 67:

"I guess when you are on the wrong side of an issue you have to come up with stupid insults like that."

I wonder who it is that does that? Miss Microwave?
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JG,

Fife 05/09/2008 08:00:18
#69 Whitecaps
Good grief!! Maybe you should take a bit longer and read comments properly. I've never made comments about the rights and wrongs of the Republican/Democrat issue (to tell you the truth, I don't know enough about it!) - all I said was that this woman's voice was a bit grating on the ears. That's all!
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SouthernGent,

05/09/2008 12:30:12
#71
I've lived in the south for most of my life. I came from the mason/dixon line, so I don't have a southern draaaawl. Most people here agree that her accent tends to be annoying, but many northerners talk that way, and many are now living in florida, so one tends to get used to it.
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JG,

Fife 05/09/2008 13:52:57
#72 SouthernGent
On a visit to the US once I met a chap from Lousianna who had the most wonderful accent - I could have listened to him talk all day (couldn't understand all of it, but it was lovely to listen to!!)
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mike - across the pond,

wally beating.... 05/09/2008 14:17:42
taking what you say at face value

lets just say wasilla is the meth capital of alaska... you obviously know NOTHING about meth manufacturing or the transient nature of it, but thats another issue...

and lets just say that everyone knew it (from the mayor to the police chief)... obviously from your post you think that the mayor knew all about it... although a POLICE chief SHOULD know an order of magnitude MORE about illegal activities going on than a MAYOR.... dont you think?

if you were the MAYOR and your police chief wasnt shutting it down... wouldnt you fire him?

so explain to me why you are sticking up for the police chief in this... or have you turned into a BO shill....

USE your head wally....
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mike - across the pond,

wally & polls.... 05/09/2008 15:00:08
we've talked about this in the past....

LOOK at BO and how he has run in the polls vs the ballot box....

BO runs about 7-10% behind at the ballot box from where he runs in the polls.... its just a FACT... its not the CIA... its not "some vast right wing conspiracy" its just the way he has performed...

when BO "clinched" 2 months ago, he was ahead 7-10 points... that lead shrank steadily right up until the convention when McCain lead by as many as 7 points...

with the DNC convention BO now has a "bump" back up to around 8%... admittedly some of the DNC wind was stolen by McCain naming Palin the next day...

now we get to see what happens with "the bump" McCain gets from HIS convention... even though a hurricaine took out day 1... the polls will tighten over the next 4-5 days... then the dog race begins...

remember that with BO overpolling by 7-10% an 8% lead for BO means the race is a dead heat WITHOUT the RNC convention bump....

If you stop listening to "the talking heads" on the toob... and listen CAREFULLY to the inner core operatives, the DNC guys are sounding more and more like Tariq Aziz... BO is in BIG trouble... we know McCain... we KNOW biden... we pretty much KNOW BO.... we are getting to know Palin...

palin got more votes for mayor of wassila alaska than biden did for president in 2000-2008 biden is NOT honest... by any stretch of the immagination... biden is a artisan practitioner of partisan politics... ever LISTEN to Joe-papa and how he talks to people... you dont like McCain because you say he's "a hot head"... then why on earth are you drinking the biden kool-aid?

BO... the more we come to know about BO... the more "the sheen" comes off...

you dont LIKE McCain... fair enough...

your dislike for palin seems to be visceral... and in an attempt to buttress that dislike, you draw upon Huffington and Kos... which would be like me drawing upon Pat Robertson... or Limbaugh wouldnt it
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mike - across the pond,

wally & polls.... (cont'd) 05/09/2008 15:06:03
NONE of these guys are who we would LIKE to see in charge (maybe Palin, but we dont know enough) but honestly... McCain is closest to the center... BO and Biden are WAY left...

so I'm left supporting McCain.... because our country does NOT need BO...

no matter WHO wins, we get change either way... you have to admit that jumping up and down and screaming McCain is Bush... is C H I L D I S H!!!!

its a choice of the lesser of 2 "less than optimal choices"... IMHO...
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 06/09/2008 03:26:53
Mike, when Obama selected Biden I criticised him for it, right here on Scotsman even. I provided negative links on Biden. I can find plenty of criticism of Obama also. I find Obama only the lesser of 2 evils. I hate voting for lesser of 2 evils, many of us Americans do. Its been like that for so long.

You know I'd vote for Ron Paul if he was a candidate. and you know I don't buy the left-right paradigm. Any analysis along that line means nothing to me.

Obama said he'd shut down Guantanamo, I said good. Obama spoke for restraint in Georgia - Russia conflict, I say good. There's not very many good things about Obama compared to McCain. But I find a few small things.
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mike - across the pond,

wally 06/09/2008 21:21:38
you've GOT to stop "hating"... I dont care that you dont LIKE McCain... you HAVE to think about the bigger picture...

Georgia - Russia really defines the whole thing...

RUSSIA invaded Georgia... I dont CARE how the russia kool-aid drinkers spin it

first BO says "restraint".... while Russia is raping georgia...

then BO says... "this is an issue that should be addressed by the UN Security council"... oops that aint goin NOWHERE... RUSSIA has veto power in the Security council...

then after 3 days of Russia raping Georgia... BO comes to the conclusion that what Russia is doing is wrong... and comes to the place McCain went on minute 1 of the conflict....

BO is Jimmy Carter... a thinker.... best suited to be what he is... a LEGISLATOR... where you have time to think, and debate... and the cover to be wrong... without the responsability for putting our guys in harms way...
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57Nomad,

california 09/09/2008 06:35:23
#7 kelvino

kelvino said:

"WHERE'S MY JOB, DUDETTE ?
WHERE ARE THE JOBS FOR NORMAL, WORKING CLASS KIDS WHO CAN'T AFFORD COLLEGE ? WAL*MART ? CRABBIN' IN THE ARCTIC ? JIFFY LUBE ? Enough flag-wavin'. . . .
what are you going to do for us, really !"

You live in New York and you are asking the Governor of Alaska where your job is? Why would you even think something like that let alone put it print so that everyone can see a man complaining to a woman because he can't find a job. Don't do that again, it's very unmanly and it spoils any legitimate point you are trying to make.

Life is tough all over and life isn't fair. That's not Sarah's job to straighten out, that's your lookout, sport. Quit whining, you make all of us look bad. It isn't the governments job to do anything for you at all. The job of the government is to insure that you are free to make your own way in the world without interference from the Government. The government isn't your mommy and it can not give you one damn thing that it didn't take from someone else. Some one who actually earned it. What right do you have to the fruits of another mans labor? Zero, that's what. Now roll up your sleeves, put your game face on, and get to work. No one is interested in listening to your bellyaching.
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57Nomad,

california 09/09/2008 06:48:04
#7 kelvino

kelvino said:

"WHERE'S MY JOB, DUDETTE ?
WHERE ARE THE JOBS FOR NORMAL, WORKING CLASS KIDS WHO CAN'T AFFORD COLLEGE ? WAL*MART ? CRABBIN' IN THE ARCTIC ? JIFFY LUBE ? Enough flag-wavin'. . . .
what are you going to do for us, really !"

You live in New York and you are asking the Governor of Alaska where your job is? Why would you even think something like that let alone put it print so that everyone can see a man complaining to a woman because he can't find a job. Don't do that again, it's very unmanly and it spoils any legitimate point you are trying to make.

Life is tough all over and life isn't fair. That's not Sarah's job to straighten out, that's your lookout, sport. Quit whining, you make all of us look bad. It isn't the governments job to do anything for you at all. The job of the government is to insure that you are free to make your own way in the world without interference from the Government. The government isn't your mommy and it can not give you one damn thing that it didn't take from someone else. Some one who actually earned it. What right do you have to the fruits of another mans labor? Zero, that's what. Now roll up your sleeves, put your game face on, and get to work. No one is interested in listening to your bellyaching.
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57Nomad,

09/09/2008 06:48:36
opps, key bounce, my bad.