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Palin 'unlawfully' abused power



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Published Date: 11 October 2008
John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power as Alaska's governor by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, US officials said.
Stephen Branchflower, the chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel, found Mrs Palin in violation of a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain.
The politically charged inquiry imperilled her
reputation as a reformer on the Republican presidential ticket.

The inquiry looked into the so-called Troopergate scandal, the dismissal of Alaska's public safety commissioner Walter Monegan who allegedly refused to fire Mrs Palin's brother-in-law Mike Wooten, an Alaskan state trooper, following a messy divorce from her sister.
Mrs Palin has said Mr Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.

The panel found Mrs Palin let the family grudge influence her decision-making even if it was not the sole reason Mr Monegan was dismissed.

"I feel vindicated," Mr Monegan said.

"It sounds like they've validated my belief and opinions. And that tells me I'm not totally out in left field."

Mr Branchflower said the Republican vice presidential nominee violated a statute of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

Mrs Palin and Mr McCain's supporters had hoped the inquiry's finding would be delayed until after the presidential election on November 4 to spare her any embarrassment and to put aside an enduring distraction in an uphill contest against their Democratic rival Barack Obama.

But the bipartisan panel voted to release the report late last night, but not without dissent.

Alaska senator Gary Stevens, a Republican member of the panel, said: "I think there are some problems in this report.

"I would encourage people to be very cautious, to look at this with a jaundiced eye."

The nearly 300-page report did not recommend sanctions or a criminal investigation.



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  • Last Updated: 11 October 2008 10:19 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: US elections
 
1

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 10:53:53

Between her ignorance of the workings of the world and her willful abuse of power, just look at all the good she could do for us in the USA !

We don't have enough trouble, eh ?
2

britfreee,

camelon 11/10/2008 10:59:54
Hell hath no fury...

That Barack Hussein Obama would abuse privilege (for personal reasons) at the state level must surely set alarm bells ringing for the supporters of that man.

Tony Rezco corrupt deal on his house

Acorn corrupt voter fraud back when he was a State Senator and now.

Launching his political career from the home of William Ayers the unrepentant terrorist.



3

britfreee,

camelon 11/10/2008 11:04:22
Barack Obama has been good friends with Antoin ("Tony") Rezko since at least 1990. Barack interviewed with Rezko for a job in the early 1990s (offered, but declined), and has raised at least $150,000 for Obama's campaigns. Prosecutors charge that at least $10,000 of the money Rezko gave Obama was extorted in return for political favors by a different politician. In return, Barack arranged an internship in 2005 for John Aramanda, the son of a Rezko business associate (Joseph Aramanda, who himself gave Barack $11,500.)

There's more. In June, 2005, Obama bought a house in Chicago for $1.65 million ($300,000 below the asking price). The same day, Rezko bought (in his wife's name) the vacant lot next door for $625,000, the full price asked. Seven months later, Rezko sold Barack a slice (1/6th) of his lot so the Obamas could have a bigger yard. There's no evidence that Rezko bought the vacant land for any other reason than to do Obama a favor. The seller would only sell the house if he could sell the lot on the same day. And the lot is only accessible through Obama's yard. Rezko and his wife sold the lot last year to someone they owed money to, and let that person keep the small profit he made.

Here's the real problem: among other problems, Rezko was convicted in a federal government corruption case for demanding kickbacks from companies wanting to do business with Illinois Governor Blagojevich, another politician that Rezko has befriended and donated to. (Rezko is also under indictment for shaking down a Hollywood producer for $1.5 million in campaign contributions for Blagojevich. The guy takes care of his political friends.) In fact, Joseph Aramanda is an unindicted co-conspirator in one of the kickback cases.

4

Jason,

Japan 11/10/2008 11:04:27
"Abuse of power": Perfect background for one seeking high office in the United States. How do you know when a politician is lying? Something about the mouth being open.
5

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 11:05:51

McCain had better keep a close eye on the angry crowds he is whipping up - they're about to turn on HIM !

#3 A hopeless argument, friend -


6

britfreee,

camelon 11/10/2008 11:13:05
Hanging Out with Radical 60s Bomber

Bill Ayers, the son of a rich utility executive, calls himself a "small-C communist." In 1969, he and his wife Bernadette Dohrn helped found the Weathermen (aka the Weather Underground), a radical group that bombed several buildings, killing a police officer and three of their own members. In 1981, an armed robbery of a Brinks truck by Weather Underground members killed two police and a security guard.

By then Ayers and Dohrn has morphed into reasonably respectable radical professors in Chicago, and weren't involved. But Ayers has no regrets; in 2001 he even wrote "I don't regret settings bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Ayers and Dohrn were never convicted because of illegal wiretaps and other prosecutorial misconduct that got their charges thrown out.

Great scandal, huh? Only problem is that Ayers' links to Obama are not that clear because the press never pursued the links and still want the Obama coronation in November.

Ayers & Obama live 3 blocks apart in Chicago's wealthy Hyde Park neighborhood, and their kids go to the same school. In 1995, they were both on the board of a charity founded by Walter Annenberg, the billionaire founder of Reader's Digest. From 2000 to 2002 they were on another board together (the Woods Foundation). Obama praised one of Ayers' many books, in a 1997 newspaper interview. Ayers donated $200 to Obama's 2001 campaign. The biggest link was in 1995, when Ayers and Dohrn hosted a coffee fundraiser, at which State Senator Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor as state senator. Obama certainly had no problem with that hosting in the home of the terrorist Ayers.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 11:14:56

Quote from Republican Frank Schaeffer:

"John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence."

"Stop! Think! Your rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel and smell like lynch mobs."

"John McCain, you're walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out "Terrorist" or "Kill him," history will hold you responsible for all that follows."

"John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are playing with fire, and you know it. You are unleashing the monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us. You are doing this in wartime. You are doing this as our economy collapses. You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations."

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britfreee,

camelon 11/10/2008 11:15:17
#7

Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned. Or a socialist troll for that matter judging by your subsequent comments
9

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 11:23:50

The link to the above-mentioned Frank Shaeffer article re: McCain's "hate-rallies:"

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.mccain10oct10,0,7557571.story

#8- Old news - You don't like Obama ? Don't vote for him ! It's the domestic terrorists in the Bush administration and our banking system that should more concern us -
10

Deuchars,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 11:37:34
Obama must really be thinking "How did I ever get to this point"? Hands down the most qualified person on the Democrat side was Bill Richardson but he did not have their national popularity. Hillary Clinton would be the logical choice for the balance of qualifications and popularity yet the press never gave her a chance. The press attacked Hillary while propping up Obama.

The American electorate must ask themselves how did they arrive with Barack Obama? He was never vetted by the press during the primaries like the other candidates, he slithered in under the radar. Even today the press is not willing to ask Obama any tough questions, why the complacency?
11

Deuchars,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 11:43:39
5 Jason

Aye, you saw the Obama speech in Germany also.
12

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 11:45:40

The "Christian Right" needs to have a cold, hard look at itself in the USA, if these McCain "lynch mobs"
are any indication of Republican "core values."

This is some very ugly stuff -
13

Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 11:46:18
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
The bimbo is guilty.
Maybe the witch doctor can help her out on this one eh?
And to think that they wanted to stifle this until after the election.
Says a lot about her character.
Watch Lynne come out and defend her though, as will Carolyn 1 and probably Sandi. And who's that other bimbo? That ScotLMJ or something like that, they will all come out and defend their bimbo heroine.
14

bill2,

england 11/10/2008 11:51:45
17 Postmark-55

Why don't you stick to things you know about like human rights violations in China!
15

bill2,

england 11/10/2008 11:59:36
#12 D. Feste

According to the BBC it’s not your banking system but rather several prominent democrats in charge of banking committees in Congress that ignored warnings in the last year from the WH and Fed. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd come to mind.
16

bill2,

england 11/10/2008 12:00:52
14 Deuchars

Excellent points!
17

bill2,

england 11/10/2008 12:06:49
Let’s see, a policeman uses a tasser gun on his 10 year old son, he threatens the Governors Father, and hunts a moose and kills it out of season.

The Governor has the right to dismiss the policeman but since this idiot is married to her sister it's an abuse of her power.

And its very convenient how they rushed it thru 4 weeks before the election.
18

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 12:08:43
I think that we will be hearing from many livid stock-market shareholders today, venting their anger at Obama, the "socialists," Pelosi, the evil Democrats,
the 'commies," the gays, Jews, "forners," stoned-out youth, age, male disfunction, hemorrhoids, jock-itch and the like.

#19 - ALL of our politicians seemed to have turned a blind eye to this mess, as there was too much money to be made by all concerned. A free-market bonanza for the wealthy !


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Browards,

11/10/2008 12:11:20
#23

It's amazing when the Dems mess up "Its everyones fault"
20

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 12:19:45

I personally blame the entire Bush administration for a complete lack of oversight, leadership and openness that might have averted a senseless war, an out-of-control economic system and a financial collapse.

The man never communicated anything until it was too late to turn back -

21

Media 1,

cape town 11/10/2008 12:27:26
Focussing on Palin and McCains past is simply idiotic - The only thing that matters is the PARTY for which you vote.

And the current ruling party is guilty of destroying the ecomony and for fighting an illegal war that they instigated.

They are also guilty of NOT going after Osama Bin Laden and this is a drum that I will keep on beating. George Bush slapped the American people in the face and went after Saddam following 9/11 - and as a result the Amercian economy has suffered, thousands of innocent life has been lost and Osama Bin Laden is still out there - SO TELL ME AGAIN, who is winning this battle against terror?

Bin Laden is out there because Bush doesnt want him, so why doesnt he want him? Is it because Bin Laden is a secret agent on the pay roll of the oval office? If not, then what? But dont tell us its because they cant find him, that is total hogwash.
22

2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 13:07:31
Nah, that
was not our Sarah. It was Tina Fey.
23

Richardinho,

11/10/2008 13:32:01
I find the 'illegally killing a moose' bit pretty hilarious.
24

Pilrig,

Livingston 11/10/2008 13:48:04
Librarians of the world, celebrate !
25

Pilrig,

Livingston 11/10/2008 13:50:28
The Bush administration has stolen the economic policies of the Militant Tendency.
26

Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 13:52:30
#18 bill2,
Yeah Billy boy, I do know that human rights abuses are a thing of the past in China, our present government is doing all it can to improve the lives of our citizens, and also up til now our economy is still sound too, can't be said for yours though can it?
That's the beauty of having a Communist government, they are in charge of the banks, not private firms like in your country who will rob you blind than have you bail them out. Democracy sure is a great system eh? You get to vote yet your vote means absolutely nothing, nothing at all.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 14:18:23

Fascinating that Bush now has a - 70% DISAPPROVAL - rating ( Gallup Poll) yet Obama struggles to eke out a 5 or 6 point popular vote lead. Racial fear, anyone ?

How difficult could it be for a black man to run for
president of a prior slave-owning country that fears
blacks and foreigners ? How about a black man with a foreign-sounding name ?

What would the numbers look like if Obama were white?

Half of us would rather vote for a failing, geriatric, brain-damaged POW and a hockey-puck VP than an intelligent, pragmatic, steady-under-pressure black candidate !

Fear, Hatred and Ignorance - it's what Rush, Coulter, Savage, etc. make their millions on. Pitiful !

"Mega-dittos" to the fearful, mindless hoards of McCain lynch-mobs !

Some honest soul-searching is needed here -
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 14:26:50

As for Sarah Palin's difficulties, let the above-mentioned ladies from their geriatric free-tuition/community college classes deal with her in their own way. No matter !

Their quotes originating from "World Net Daily" are becoming irrelevant and tedious, in any case.
The electoral vote projections make it impossible for McCain to win, as anyone can clearly see.

30

Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 11/10/2008 14:32:47
Rezko also was friendly with Obama — offering him a job
when he finished law school, funding his earliest political campaigns and purchasing a lot next to his house. But based on the known facts, charges so far and testimony at Rezko's trial, there's no indication there'll be an October surprise that could hurt the Democratic presidential nominee — even though Rezko says prosecutors are pressing him for dirt about Obama.

"I think this strikes fear into the Blagojevich administration and the Statehouse Democrats but not into the Obama campaign," says state Sen. Kirk Dillard, R-Westmont, a John McCain delegate to the GOP convention.

#4 I don't think you're going to get very far with this one as Rezko is singing like Abramoff - but nothing on Obama - Nice Try Though!
31

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11/10/2008 14:37:59
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 11/10/2008 14:42:43
#8 I find it strange that the so called "Liberal" press
ignores McCain's ties to G Gordon Liddy - calling him a "Dear Friend" and appearing on his radio show, since Liddy does have something of a nasty past.
Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in "if necessary"; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention -- a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.
33

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 11/10/2008 14:52:43
Google "McCain and the Mafia"
34

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11/10/2008 14:57:33
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Finnqueen,

Lempäälä 11/10/2008 15:17:42
35 Laurette

You sound like a person in denial.
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11/10/2008 15:44:33
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Carolyn 1,

11/10/2008 16:18:14
Or this one:

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/urgent-big-story-about-to-break-we-are-one-step-closer-to-rezko-giving-obama-up-to-federal-prosecutors/
38

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 11/10/2008 16:25:01
britfree

You are full of it and a deluded troll.

That Palin woman is trailer trash and dumb as a doorknob.

I can hardly wait to see "Saturday Night Live" tonight when she is parodied and skewered by that talented actress who mocks her.

That Palin bitch has no ethics, morals, sense of fair play, morality,or common sense.

But then ALL Republicans are like that and George W. BabyBush is the worst of the lot.
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11/10/2008 16:32:33
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Carolyn 1,

11/10/2008 16:42:51
The report is compiled by ONE person based on testimony from people he allowed to testify;
(many were not allowed to testify- such as Palin's chief of staff)
If he allowed all testimony the report would be credible. However, until the Alaska legislature reviews it, it's a politicized REPORT, not a ruling.

Because it is politically damaging, perhaps intentionally, the legislature needs to be called for a immediate session and a ruling.

If guilty Palin should be sanctioned accordingly.

What's contentious to lawyers, and the actual law, is that #1 and #2 are not compatible conclusions


Finding Number One

For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides

The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.

Finding Number Two

I find that, although Walt Monegan’s refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.
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SouthernGent,

11/10/2008 16:43:46
#25 and 26

So you two are saying that the democrats and Fannie and Freddie had nothing to do with the financial meltdown? You may want to educate yourselves on it instead of posting political talking points.

#33
"Fascinating that Bush now has a - 70% DISAPPROVAL - rating ( Gallup Poll) yet Obama struggles to eke out a 5 or 6 point popular vote lead. Racial fear, anyone ?"

Might it have something to do with the FACT that the Democratically controlled Congress has an even LOWER approval rating, since after all Obama is a DEMOCRAT.
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11/10/2008 16:49:00
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11/10/2008 16:53:24
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Carolyn 1,

11/10/2008 16:56:15
@47 Good Morning!

Sorry, but I have that day job. Then all those legislative financial matters I decided to work on. You know 40 50 60 hours a week. Holidays. Family. Working on state budget matters, trying to write a new tax code in a few days for Massachusetts. Question One to get rid of state income tax. Want a bumper sticker? Hell Yes!
How about you?
Worked on anything that made a difference lately?

In crunch time, I don't have enough recreational time to argue with commenters who do have time to argue but never have time to learn, research or work or offer solutions...


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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 11/10/2008 16:59:22
#40 Could you be a bit more specific. Tks
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Carolyn 1,

11/10/2008 17:03:00

http://www.cltg.org/Q1_Repeal/q1_clt_bs.pdf

It's red!!
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11/10/2008 17:05:12
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Carolyn 1,

11/10/2008 17:09:29
51
Postmark-55, China


Ooops, my error.
I thought you could read-
I guess that comment at 48 was too long for you.
Here's the cliff note version of my opinion:

"If guilty Palin should be sanctioned accordingly.

What's contentious to lawyers, and the actual law, is that #1 and #2 are not compatible conclusions"

(In other words she's guilty of being not guilty.)



Have fun throwing meat to each other, my lunch time is over and I've got real work to do.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 11/10/2008 17:09:32
#31 Postmark-55,Red China - "I do know that human rights abuses are a thing of the past in China" - Very much a minority view, mainly because it is b**llocks.
The "beauty of having a Communist government" is that you can shoot your mistakes and "re-educate them through (slave) labour". The Government controls everything (directly or indirectly) yet it refuses to shoulder the blame in the poison milk scandal. The workers' paradise is far more corrupt than any government in Europe.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

11/10/2008 17:13:31

I think that this might very well be one of our Sarah Palin supporters from the above posts. I followed her link and saw this on the site:

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/coffee-club/

Not exactly a credible news source -
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Sandi,

San Diego 11/10/2008 17:13:33
#8,

The Ayers kids and the Obama kids may attend the same school, but not at the same time. Ayers' kids are a lot older than Obama's.

the commission that was put toghether to "investigate" palin was composed of her Democratic poleitcal enemies and her Republican political enemies. The chairman supports Obama. Good setting for a fair result, huh? I don't think so. Even with all thos people desperate to take her down, the best they could come up with was "unethical". The trooper in question, Wooten, her former brother-in-law, had been investigatesd before Palin was ever elected governor. For some unknown reason, he was not fired then. Is it customary in Scotland to retain police officers who are guilty of drinking and driving? Who are found to be drinking while driving a police vehicle, even if they are off-duty? I know it's not becasue my brother-in-law is a police officer in Scotland. Before you even get to to the tasering of his step-son and the threat against the life of Palin's father, the trooper's former father-in-law (for daring to say that he would pay for a lwyer for his daughter in the divorce), this man is unfit to wear a uniform and a badge and carry a weapon. But none of that matters, because nobody was fired. This stellar officer is still an Alaskan trooper.

The other person involved, Moneghan, is a political appointee of Palin's. As such, she has the legal and constitutional right to fire him at will. No reason required. And yet, she did not fire him. She offered him a transfer to another position with equal pay and he turned it down. Then he quit.

The entire "investigation" was political.
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Carolyn 1,

11/10/2008 17:25:55
46
Cutty Sark,

I see your level of reading intelligence matches Postmark.
Are all communists 'reading-challenged'?

Please note that's communist with a lower case 'c' as William Ayers likes to point out.
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11/10/2008 17:26:16
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Sandi,

San Diego 11/10/2008 17:26:19
Now to go on to those McCain rallies, where ONE (1) person says something outrageous and the Obmamedia and Obamabots start a campaign against these "dangerous" people, and the stirring up of whatever. Amazingly, at political rallies, candidates try to stir up support for themselves and opposition to their oopponents. Even more amazingly, Obama is a master at doing that, and it's fine when he does it, but not so fine when it's against him. Nothing that either McCain or Palin have said about Obama is false, but The One doesn't like it.

What a load of hooey.

What this means is that the Obama campaign's internal polling is not showing that Obama is going to win, and they need to increase their demonization of McCain and Palin. They are desperate to make any more talk about Ayers go away, because it's very bad for Obama. It's true, but bad for Obama, which is why he has repeatedly lied and changed his story about how well he knows Ayers.
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Sandi,

San Diego 11/10/2008 17:28:22
#61,

I'm glad you accept that it was political. To me, that makes the entire thing suspect, including the result.
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2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 17:33:31
"Rootin' tootin' moose shootin." -Damn, that's good.
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Sandi,

San Diego 11/10/2008 17:59:35
What I find laughable is the idea the the McCain/Palin campaign should confine itself to the issues. Since the day Palin became the VP candidate, every kind of insult and profanity you can imagine have been applied to her and her family. Almost all of that was initiated by David Axelrod, Obama's campaign manager, using a firm in Chicago that specializes in that kind of trash. There's some on this thread, and I don't see any complaints about that, only when Obama is being called names.

IMO, Obama and his campaign have used racism to his benefit during this campaign. He used it in N. Carolina before the primary, he used it against, the Clintons, he pulls it out when he "pre-empts" an anticipated attack, when he talks about his "strange name" and tells his followers at rallies that "they're going to say he looks different". (Nobody has even suggested that). That is racism and it comes from Obama. Nobody else has used that, not one of his opponents in either the primary or now in the general. Obama uses it to deflect attention from his many legitimate failings.

Obama himself told his followers to "get in their faces" to try to change voters' minds to support him. He himself said, and I paraphrase, that if they use a knife, he'll use a gun. All this incendiary talk is seemingly just fine when it comes from Obama's mouth.
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2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 18:09:16
Sandy-Forgive me,but weren't you once a Hillary supporter? If so, seems a far leap from Mrs.Clintons beliefs to the whole McCain/Palin thing. Just asking.
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Sandi,

San Diego 11/10/2008 18:36:03
#70,2dogs in D.C

I'm still a Hillary supporter and there are still millions of her supporters who think as I do. They will either not vote at all, vote for a third party candidate, or vote for McCain.

I've explained here before that I am not an extreme left-wing person. Obama is. I'm definitely in the middle and so I agree with elements of both sides. McCain has always been middle-of-the-road, despite the Obama campaign's efforts to paint him as another four years of Bush. That is why he was the Republican the DNC most feared as the candidate. Palin, though I think I'd really enjoy her company, is too right-wing for me. But that's why she's there, to pull in the right wing who weren't sure about McCain. I agree with those who say that Palin would not have been in the picture if Hillary was in the picture.

#71 Cutty Sark,

IMO, Obama has set race relations back in this country by his continual use of race in his campaign. It is very sad.

Also IMO, much of the "negative camoaigning" currently coming from the McCain camp would not have been necessary had the media done their job a year ago and found out about Obama's background and informed us all. None of the stuff that is slowly coming out now about Ayers, Rezko, etc. etc. is new. It's been out there for years, but the media is so determined that Obama should be elected that they have refused to do their job and report the truth and inform the electorate. The last time the media did this was in 2000 and look what happened then!
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Sandi,

San Diego 11/10/2008 18:37:44
"much of the "negative campaigning" currently coming from the McCain camp would have been necessary had the media done their job a year ago"
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 11/10/2008 18:49:18
Sarah Palin has a right to pick her team. If she felt this guy was not in the right position he should have tendered his resignation. All cabinets do that when a new person comes into office. She could have left him or moved him. It is her right. She could also fire him..that is also her right. (or anyone else in that position in gov't.)
He did not want to change position.. Surprise. This is the October surprise!!!
But, this is also political garbage at it's worst. She has not broken any laws, and her husband wanted to protect his family .
All I can say he Sarah doesn't hang around with convicted felons, and terrorists, who are not in jail becaue of a techinicality.

Think about this: IF Obama were applying for any gov't job of high position, he would be throughly investigated, and would not be hired because he is and was involved with Rezko, Ayers, and Wright.
#56
Sarah Palin, I haven't been around because I just got a new computer, and had to get that together.. old one had a motherboard problem... it fried!!!

Problem now solved..
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 11/10/2008 18:51:45
Well, you Canadians, Americans know where you got that idea of trailer trash from... the same woman who we called a PIG for printing her throughly disgusting diatribe in a state-run, or country-run paper..on your tax dollars.
AND SHE IS A PIG.

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Sandi,

San Diego 11/10/2008 18:52:48
Oh dear...I try to fix something and make it worse! please ignore the meaningless #73. I left out the "not".
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 11/10/2008 18:53:41
Mark my words, anything bad said about BO, is now going to be considered RACIST. But, then, again, he is the only one bringing it up!!! He and his campaign group.
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Whitecaps,

Vancouver, Cda 11/10/2008 19:27:23
73 Sandi

The media was to concerned getting BO elected and throwing Hillary under the bus.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 11/10/2008 19:29:51
The media has had a love fest with Obama since day one. They didn't care who was thrown under the bus.
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sandy,

Land of the free, home of the brave 11/10/2008 19:30:24
From the article:

'The nearly 300-page report did not recommend sanctions or a criminal investigation.'

This is nothing but a political ploy before the election to give a special friend of a terrorist a boost...Nothing more-nothing less...

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Whitecaps,

Vancouver, Cda 11/10/2008 19:31:14
This person posting under the ID Cutty Sark is either Djookers of TSW. It was pointed out several days ago and I looked up the ID and there are several old threads supporting the claim and that both those people use multiple IDs here to try to support their point of view. Rob Bennett appears to be one of their pals faking his claim from being down under.
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sandy,

Land of the free, home of the brave 11/10/2008 19:34:23
#71, Race is brought up by the dems-only the dems and they can't get it off the ground because the American people aren't buying it anymore....

Also, the Republican party loves that Palin was chosen...
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 11/10/2008 19:37:08
here is a link following that shows a lot of info questioning about a home the Palins own. A pattern is occurring that construction contractors make donations to Palin campaigns, make special deals with the Palins and then are rewarded with large contracts from the state. and then the contractors built the Palins home.

http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5676
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sandy,

land of the free, home of the brave 11/10/2008 19:52:52
#87...Cutty Sark

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

all the connection needed to t=link the two..Obama & ayers:o)
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sandy,

11/10/2008 19:53:36
OOPS!..Meant for 86
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sandy,

11/10/2008 19:59:00
#87... No but i will..Just gettin caught up and off soon..
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Sandi,

San Diego 11/10/2008 20:00:01
#83, cutty Sark,

Obama is extremely left wing by our standards and just 'left wing" by yours! LOL!

All the people who acted as his mentors while he was growing up were communist-his mother, his grandfather, and Frank Marshall Davis whom his grandfather picked as a role model for the young Barry in Hawaii.

His friend Ayers (the terrorist referred to by Sandy #80) is socialist-which is a very bad word here in the Land of the Free! It's unlikely that Ayers would have hired Obama as the president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge had Obama not shared Ayers' political views.

Just FYI although I don't think it's of any importance myself, but it's kind of interesting, the "Arab" thing comes from Obama's father's heritage. His father's family apparently is mostly of Arab heritage and only a small part African. Obama's names, Barack and Obama are Arab.

Obama has made a cottage industry out of keeping his past secret and inventing it as he wrote his book. If he had been open and honest from the beginning, or even now, much of this could have, maybe would have, been avoided.
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2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 20:16:12
Sandy-I respect your choice, so please vote on Nov 5th.
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2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 20:18:50
Wally-would you happen to have a link to your link?
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Taz,

The Land of the Free. 11/10/2008 20:31:05
She can abuse me anytime she feels like it.
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sandy,

11/10/2008 20:37:12
#94 Cutty Sark

Yes i had heard of a similar school years ago in the northeast somewhere....Interesting concept but i don't think they get the discipline they need..

I didn't make the connection of Obama to Palin....:o))
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sandy,

11/10/2008 20:38:55
92, 2dogs

If it is I you are referring to; thanks, i intend on voting..Always have always will:)
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sandy,

11/10/2008 20:51:25
Good going Mr Sark!!
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Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 11/10/2008 21:02:48
2 dogs in 93:

yes, the link I put into #85 does work. and at that link there are several embedded links to different sources.

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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 11/10/2008 21:31:38
#74 Lynne:All I can say he Sarah doesn't hang around with convicted felons, and terrorists, who are not in jail becaue of a techinicality.

But John McCain calls G Gordon Liddy,who spent 4 yrs in jail because of his involvement in Watergate, a dear friend and has an ongoing relationship with him.
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 11/10/2008 21:44:14
#22 Bill: FYI on the poor moose

In 2003, Wooten, his wife and a friend were moose hunting. Upon spotting a moose, Wooten instructed his wife to shoot the moose since she had the permit, she refused so Wooten did.
After carting the moose back to town, Sarah's father actually butchered it in his garage, and Wooten shared the meat with both Sarah and Todd Palin as well as her parents. Two years later, during the divorce battle, the family filed a complaint alleging that Wooten had taken that moose illegally. At least they waited until they finished the meat to file the complaint against Wooten.


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sandy,

11/10/2008 21:47:27
# 107..Laurette, do you have a link for that??
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Carolyn 1,

11/10/2008 22:14:01
Gee Sandy,
-just think, if you bunch of hypocrites allowed free speech at The Animal Farm, you wouldn't have to spend three hours talking to yourself on The Scotsman....are you lonely and looking for friends? No new recruits? Not even Rob-Racsist-Bandido?
Ahhh, that's so sad :((


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Virginian,

USA 11/10/2008 22:25:53
#105 Wally

Have you heard Ron Paul's comment that the G-7 conference is apt to make one huge central world bank?

Plus, he thinks the "bail out" is stupid since the private sector and the market needs to correct itself.

As far as McCain and Palin...they are perfect examples of why decent people seldom want to get involved in running for offices today because of all the abuse and slander from the powerseeking political hacks.

The "special interests" that concerned Thomas Jefferson and other US Founders are growing like mushrooms the more diverse and divided the nation becomes.

Perhaps it is time for another American Revolution based on what the US Constitution actually says.


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The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

11/10/2008 22:36:43
109 Carolyn 1

Finnking and Djookers are here also, just under other IDs, there attacks are more gentle as not to be so obvious.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 11/10/2008 22:37:36
Laurette.. as I said before, Ayers is not in jail because of an illegal wiretap. He has admitted his role in the Weather Underground.. he has no remorse..and he is sorry he didn't do more bombings.
As far as the group to change education..most of the money was spent giving to other groups to RADICALIZE education. That is Ayers word.. remember it...RADICALIZE. Along with Rev. Wright is spiritual mentor, and Rezko, who got him a sweetheart deal on a mortgage, that he is now going to jail for..
these are the people, with such sterling reputations that Obama has thrown under the bus.
Are you going to sit there and tell everyone, you can sit in a church for over 20 years and NOT hear what Wright had to say, are you going to sit there and tell everyone that Obama NEVER found out about the man who hired him for his first job, and are you going to sit and there and tell everyone Obama did not know that Rezko had a troubled background, and that he didn't know his mortgage was a sweetheart deal? And say it with a straight face?
You didn't know that over $8 hundred thousand dollars has gone to ACORN group.. to register people to vote? Sometimes 50 or 60 times, the same person?
They have registered the dead, felons, and a the lineup of an American football team, among other names?
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Richardinho,

11/10/2008 22:55:20
What the Weathermen got up to was pretty innocent schoolboy stuff. They never actually killed anyone, albeit they caused a lot of criminal damage. In any case the link with Obama is pretty tangential. You expect someone to take the blame for the actions of everyone they've ever had dealings with. That's just silly.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 11/10/2008 23:27:59
#113...your wrong... if Obama was applying for a job in the gov't, he would be turned down after the investigation. His 1st job was with Bill Ayers, he sat on the board of directors with him, his connection to ACORn isn't distant either.. he was an attorney for them, he was a trainer for them, and Rezko!!! The guy is in jail or going to jail... and we all know about Rev. Write and the Trinity Church, and Black Liveration Theocracy..
So, there is a deep connection to all these acquaintances and he would be DENIED a gov't job.

He didn't just have dealings with them, he was a part of their projects.
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Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 11/10/2008 23:53:17
#112 Lynne "he is sorry he didn't do more bombings. "

That's not true. Here's a quote from Ayers I posted in response to a similar accusation from Sandi.

"The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.... When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough sh*t."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'
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Sandi,

San Diego 12/10/2008 00:19:02
#96 cutty Sark,

No, the derivation of his names makes no difference at all. The only question is where exactly he was born. Supposedly, it was in Hawaii, but some people have questioned that and a law suit has been filed. I really didn't apay a lot of attention to that until Obama and the DNC failed to just produce evidence of where he was born and instead asked for the case to be dismissed. Now I wonder why he can't just pull out his legal birth certificate and say here, I was born in this place, in this hospital. I'll bet any person posting on this thread could do that, so why not Obama? As with all the other questions about him, it is his own actions that create them. The importance here is because to be eligible to be president, one has to have been born in the USA. Obama is clearly a citizen through his mother, regardless of where he was born, but he has to satisfy the birthplace requirement too. As I said, I don't understand why he can't or won't do that.

#114 Cutty Sark,

That article is typical of the msm. Everything is slanted towards Obama. These rallies are not like that, we see them on television, you can watch most of them live on the web. This article gives the impression that the entire audience is virtually foaming at the mouth with everyone yelling and screaming. Nothing could be further from the truth. There are, literally, one or two people who yell things out. You get that at Obama rallies too. Many, many people are angry because all the information, including political polling, is twisted to favor Obama. Not to mention, that people who don't support Obama are sick to death of being called racist. I can't tell you how many times I have been called that. It is just very sad.

The Obama crowd keep talking about "guilt by asociation" as though others are accusing Obama of terrorist act like Ayers'. That is not so, Obama's problem with his friendship with Ayers is judgement and lying: bad judgement to maintain it and then he lied about it.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 12/10/2008 00:21:16
#115 Lynne

"if Obama was applying for a job in the gov't, he would be turned down"

I suggest that your posts spewing hatred of your future president will put any potential government job you may consider out of the question.
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Virginian,

USA 12/10/2008 00:21:58
#116 Selgovae, Scottish Borders

Quote of Ayers:

"The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being..."

Answer:

What Ayers was saying is that he felt justified in using violent means to overthrow the US government because he did not agree with the war in Vietnam.

Therefore, Ayers is an anarchist who espouses the violent overthrow of the government. Any excuse will do.

Ayers was not an elected official who represented the people of the US.

What happens if every US citizen who disagrees with a law or with a decision of Congress uses violence to effect change?

Ayers committed treason and should have been executed at a public hanging.

Instead he is walking around free and is a "professor" viewed as a hero for his anarchist preaching and actions.

Rather than being a hero, Ayers is one of the cowards who slandered and abused the true heroes who fought in Vietnam.

Why would Obama be Ayers' associate unless Obama agreed with or found nothing wrong with Ayers' views?