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Low on gaffes, high on charm, Palin wins friends – but needs many more



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Published Date: 04 October 2008
WITH a suggestive wink to the cameras and a Colgate smile, Sarah Palin came roaring back from her campaign trail gaffes on Thursday night, staking out her place as America's supreme "Everywoman" candidate.
Love her or loathe her, Mrs Palin confirmed with a feisty performance at the vice-presidential debate that she is the living embodiment of that great "what if" of American politics: what if a regular Joe, or Jolene, got a shot at the White House?

"How long have I been at this?" she cooed as she took to a lectern at Washington University in St Louis, Missouri. "Like, five weeks? So there hasn't been a whole lot I have promised, except to do what is right for the American people."

Historically, the nature of modern politics ensured chirpy outsiders never got a chance. Now all that has changed with Mrs Palin, plucked from near-obscurity as the Republicans' vice-president pick last month. "Oh man, it's so obvious I'm a Washington outsider," she said. "I'm someone who's just not used to the way you guys operate."

During the debate, Mrs Palin sparred with Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden over taxes, energy policy and the Iraq war. Peppering her answers with folksy vocabulary such as "darn right", "gettin' business done" and "doggone it", she invited viewers to see her as someone who, while lacking knowledge, has the moral spine to roll up her sleeves and yank America out of its current mess.

It is a powerful message for these times, with trust in politics-as-usual in America, and the Bush administration in particular, at an all-time low.

"Go to a kids' soccer game on Saturday and ask, 'How are you feeling about the economy?'" said Mrs Palin. "You betcha you're gonna get some fear."

It was a big change from last week, when she stumbled in a rare TV interview. CNN had set up a "gaffe-o-meter" in expectation of a chain of howlers from Mrs Palin, but there was only one, when she referred to General David McKiernan, commander of US forces in Afghanistan, as McClellan. That was the name of the Union general who made a series of Civil War blunders before being sacked by Lincoln.

There was little substance beneath Mrs Palin's charm. Mr Biden, playing the part of older statesman, sensed this and pounced, asking her where John McCain differed from George Bush. Mrs Palin twice evaded the question, but apparently not the audience: snap polls after the debate showed that, while voters felt Mrs Palin had done better than expected, they gave victory by a hefty margin to Mr Biden – who avoided potential pitfalls. Also gaffe-prone, he made it through the 90-minute debate without stumbling.

Two quick polls have already indicated that he fared better in viewers' minds. A CNN poll found respondents judging Mr Biden the winner by a margin of 51 per cent to 36 per cent but, crucially, calling Mrs Palin "more likeable" by 54 per cent to Mr Biden's 36 per cent.

A CBS News/Knowledge Networks poll found that 46 per cent of uncommitted voters thought Mr Biden won, with 21 per cent siding with Mrs Palin.

Eight years ago, Republicans acknowledged that Mr Bush lacked the knowledge and experience to be president, but insisted his squadrons of advisers would make up for it. They are making the same argument now for Mrs Palin, but are wary.

James Pape, a New York property developer, said: "Everything she said was so scripted. We need someone who's sharp and thinks on their feet, who understands what's going on."

And that is Mrs Palin's problem. For all her effervescence, it was clear from her constant referral to notes that she had no strong grasp of issues. That grasp will have to come quickly if Mr McCain is to cut Barack Obama's lead in the polls.

One month to go – and Obama ahead in key states

THE race to the White House is likely to be decided in a dozen or so swing states.

Opinion polls yesterday showed Barack Obama, having trailed John McCain throughout the summer, now between three and seven points ahead of his Republican rival, with exactly a month left before voting.

He and Mr McCain are now neck and neck in the key state of Ohio, while Mr Obama is ahead of his rival in Florida and Virginia and has opened up healthy leads in Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and North Carolina, states that were all previously Republican-leaning.

Mr McCain is putting his resources into key states in an attempt to wrest back the initiative, and yesterday his team confirmed they will stop campaigning and shut down their offices in the northern state of Michigan.

Republicans take heart from the fact that Mr Obama's leads, while constant, are in the low single figures. They also hope that, with Congress agreeing the Wall Street bail-out package, the issue of the economy, Mr Obama's strong suit, will fade from voters' minds.

Mr McCain's efforts, and his Michigan pull-out, reflect a growing disparity in funds: Mr Obama has raised more than $40 million a month, mostly through internet donations, while Mr McCain is limited to $84 million in federal assistance.


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1

famous 15,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 00:29:35
She was shallow. She answered the questions like a seasoned politician.I.E Asked about mortgages and bankrupsies which she clearly had no clue about she answered on an unasked question on oil. She is virtually guaranteed to be President if that ticket is elected. She will make Iraq another Vietnam. She is a thick person!
2

yoric,

04/10/2008 00:37:09
Palin, a heartbeat away!
Frightening!
3

wicked_grey,

Miami, FL 04/10/2008 01:08:19
It's amazing that she didn't completely sink the Republican ticket. I can't wrap my mind around how someone, anyone, can have a favorable opinion of her. She represents, in my opinion, everything that is wrong with America.
4

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 04/10/2008 01:23:06
It's frightening that there are Americans who are taken in by this woman. Some people should be denied the vote.
5

Scullion,

Canada 04/10/2008 01:24:20
Andrew Jackson came into Washington as a "regular person" with an aim to kick out the political elite.
Why doesn't Palin quite measure up?
6

SouthernGent,

04/10/2008 01:25:56
What she has going for her is that she is far removed from "Washington politics". I'd rather see a group of farmers up there than career politicians. Its time to put "people" back in Washington, and kick out the lawyers/politicians.
7

John PM,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 01:34:05
I'm already bored rigid by which bought billionaire will win the US elections and have their strings pulled by vested interests. It's not a democracy if there is no real choice, that's the bottom line.

All this stuff is about personalities not policies and it's designed to appeal to morons. What employment rights are 'enjoyed' in the US compared to the EU?

Will that ever be discussed on the TV in the US? If not, what's the point of even bothering with an election. I think she's nice, I think she's nasty, it's complete dross.

America was once a world leader in terms of her democratic credentials, it would take a big change in attitudes to get back there.
8

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 04/10/2008 01:41:15
#3 wicked_grey -
The main thing that's wrong with America is the corrupt Senators and Congresspersons who created the conditions for the current financial disaster.

#4 Let's have the truth -

And who would you suggest be the person or group that decides who and why a citizen would be prohibited from voting?

You want the truth? You are a fascist.

#6 SouthernGent -

Well said.

#7 John PM -

Your first two paragraphs are correct, but do you really think the EU, with its ridiculous CFP, CAP, and blatant non-belief in real democracy, is superior to the US?

But your final paragraph is absolutely correct.
9

ScuIlion,

Canada 04/10/2008 02:01:11
I know Palin would not like me, I'm a homosexual and I'm pro abortion.
10

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 02:01:58
#6-Southern Gent-Pardon me,please,But the thing no one seems to remember about the "Entrenched" Washington establishment, is that they were elected from almost everywhere else. That includes your own state.You don't like them? Welcome to the club.VOTE them out. When you live outside the Capitol Beltway,there is no way to know what a cutthroat city this really is. The only people who can actually get any thing done (admittedly,rare.) are the "Insiders". They know how it works here. Funny how "Outsiders",if they have a grain of smarts,quickly become "Insiders". And that's the way it is.
11

Kelvino,

- NY 04/10/2008 02:07:00
I think that Sarah has more going for her than her status of being a Washington outsider. . .

I'm beginning to think that she is not only naive and
defensive, but an honest-to-goodness nutjob !

Seriously !

Her well-rehearsed lines in the debate are only the "robot" Sarah; the real Sarah is the one who cannot answer simple questions such as "what newspapers do your read?" This is a challenging question ?

The stress is getting to her and she deserves our sympathy, but NOT our votes !

Read the following link. . . . she's "losin' it" folks ! She has also "lost it" for McCain.

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/03/cameron-interviews-post-debate-palin/
12

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/10/2008 02:12:59
Palin grabs the headlines but the real talking point was how much Biden pulled his punches. He had so many chances to knock her out yet did not take the opportunities.
13

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 02:27:15
Hi,Kelvino. How's it going with the flag? I'll try to cover your back as best I can;) Back to my #10,People don't realize that it is the "Insiders" who actually know how to get the rare thing done,here. All of you out-of-towners who get elected here,soon discover that,and become "Insiders". The people of D.C. are not politicians.(Well,except for the ones that moved here).
14

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 04/10/2008 02:28:17
#12

You are right. Biden gave her rope to hang herself and there are those who still believe she didn't. Phenomenal!
15

somerferg,

perth 04/10/2008 02:28:45

#2 - frightening to have her a heartbeat away?? More frightening than who ?? There is not a male candidate that I would trust more than her - I don't trust ANY of them.
16

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 02:30:49
"And what if you were an idiot,and you were a member of Congress,but I repeat myself" Mark Twain. Sorry,I repeated myself.
17

Kelvino,

- NY 04/10/2008 02:32:26
More Sarah Speak - ( Re: Obama)

Palin said, “Some of his comments about Afghanistan and what we are doing there supposedly– just air raiding villages and killing civilians. That’s reckless. So I wanted to talk about things like that. So I guess I have to apologize about being a little annoyed, but that is also an indication of being outside that Washington elite and being outside the media elite also and just wanting to talk and just wanting to talk to Americans without the filter and let them know what we stand for.”

Just read that again. . . slowly. . . .

Is she stoned, or WHAT ?

Anyone remember the comedian "Professor Irwin Corey?"

The guy was a master of double-talk, convoluted meanderings that seemed to make sense, until you realized that the entire conversation was entirely senseless and pointless. Sarah Palin does justice to
Prof. Corey's reputation . . .and then some !

I'm looking forward to some of her further ravings, culminating in her complete disappearance from the public stage. . . . forever. Back to the tundra with her ! I cannot imagine what would become of us having this mindless nitwit as VP. . . . aren't things bad enough ?

Hats off to Joe Biden for keeping his cool; I would have been tempted to treat her as an equal and expose her for the clueless, blank-slate she actually is.
18

Kelvino,

- NY 04/10/2008 02:43:45
2Dogs in D.C.-

Do you mean the FLAG of the new country ( "Fredonia," or some such name) that we will need to form if
"Moose and Squirrel" are elected ?

19

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 02:44:44
#17-Kelvino, he had to back off,or risk the "Oh my god, the cad" vote. I saw it too.He behaved admirably.
20

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 02:49:51
I've always been a fan of the Marx Bros. And Rocky has always been my favorite cartoon. And no, I refer to when I defended you to another a while back, as in I'm glad to let him carry the flag, he does it much better than I.The flag of what used to be right in this country.(And that should pizz off a few of our right wing bros.)
21

GPreston,

Oregon USA 04/10/2008 02:51:37
Obama is what is frightening folks. He is far too inexperienced to be President. Mrs. Palin is only the VP candidate and so how about a bit of fair assessment on Mr. Obama's experience and track record. God help us if the far left gains further control.
22

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 02:56:11
And so, we should put the end of the world nuke football into her hands because? Oh, yeah,I forgot. The P.T.A.,and I never attended.
23

Kelvino,

- NY 04/10/2008 03:21:21
2Dogs - ( NOW I remember. . . flag, etc. - thanks !)

Hail Fredonia ! Groucho & company would be proud of the mess that Bush & Co. have made. . . but this is no comedy. . . .

I agree; Biden was a gentleman and gave no reason for
criticism by the overly-defensive, hockey-mom, sixpack-chuggin', tabacca'-chewin' old broads out there in
Moosewood, USA. Do women like this have husbands who
can actually SPEAK, or do they only communicate in a rapid series of mating grunts from off-stage ?

#21- You are worried if the "LEFT" gains control ?

My God, man, the RIGHT just sold us all into a socialist bailout that we cannot repay within our lifetimes. The "Union of American Socialist States",
compliments of Bush & Cheney. And you are worried about the LEFT ? Worried about BIG government and BIG debts ? Endless, pointless wars ? YUP. .. Bush & Gang
are your kinda folks ! No one will ever listen to the "right" again regarding fiscal responsibility, size of goverment, tax cuts for the rich. . the entire litany of sins against American working people.

I predict that "RIGHT" will shortly become a dirty word in this country, as our economy worsens.
And, as recent history bears out, solutions from the "left" will be the only tools available to save us all. Bush has RUINED this country and had 8 years to do the damage. It was on HIS watch.

24

Dunnie,

Canada 04/10/2008 03:26:31

Why do you Yanks need a foreign web site to debate your differences?

By the way, I have never seen a sorrier slate of candidates.

With your current economic mess, I sincerely hope that you give serious thought as to who will guide you out of it.

Good luck.
25

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 03:27:54
#23-Kelvino, You DO realize how the "Union of American Socialist States" would abbreviate? But, then, sure you do.
26

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 03:30:25
Well, thanks for noticing, there,Dunnie, of,what was that? Canada?
27

Dunnie,

Canada 04/10/2008 03:37:16

2 Snoop Dawgs -

We have no banking crisis. We have no sub-prime idiocy.

We have no $700 billion bail-out that is so shamelessly tied to pork-barrel politics that it resembles macrame.

Your point?

And I reflect once more that it is most interesting that Americans would choose a Scottish web site to debate their differences. Very intriguing.
28

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 03:45:40
Hi,Dunnie, I think I was replying to your statement @25-which stated something about Yanks,(Or Septics,If you choose) debating on a foreign website,when your own nation,which I do happen to admire, is a whole lot closer to the U.S. than to Scotland.So, are you like that Sarah we've been talking about? You can see Scotland from your back porch?
29

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 03:48:42
P.S. to Dunnie-This forum has people from all over the globe-that's what makes it educational as well as informational. Deal with it, or bug off to YouTube.
30

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 03:58:19
Never bring just a knife to a gun fight,Bub.
31

Dunnie,

Canada 04/10/2008 03:58:47

Snoop Dawgs - I believe you refer to posting 24.

I have dual nationality having been born in the UK.

All my relatives live in Scotland and England so I visit this site daily.

Once again, I offer the obervation that I find it somehwat curious that fellow Yanks would choose to slag each other or their political leaders on a foreign web site.

Can I see Scotland from my back porch?

Well, no. because I don't have a back porch. But I do visit my homeland annually.

And by the way, if you choose to launder your politics in such a public way; don't be surprised if your neighbours complain. Sent from yours truly in my backyard while sippin' on a single malt and enjoying a good Havana!



32

Dunnie,

Canada 04/10/2008 04:00:12

30 - God's teeth, how so American.
33

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 04:09:27
Nah, it was 24. And I'm no way God's dentist. So, you were born in the U.K.? Or Scotland? To my mind there is a difference.Back to subject,the article was about U.S. politics, so why should we not be allowed to comment? And I really wish I could have a good Havana as well. And open politics is the only way to go.
34

2dogs in D.C.,

04/10/2008 04:14:20
Good night,I'm off.
35

Dunnie,

Canada 04/10/2008 04:18:30

2 dawgs - thank you. A return to a more rational exchange.

Check our exchanges and you will note that I never, ever questioned your right to comment. I merely made the observation that it was curious that the commentary on a Scottish web site story on American politics would be so dominated by Americans.

36

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 04/10/2008 05:22:57
2
yoric,
0

Dude she Palin is a heart beat away from nothing.

All that matters here, are the Electoral College votes, and at this time Obama has 258 leaning toward him, and McCain has 163 votes in his favor.

The winner needs 270 votes and he is in the WH.

As the US economy continues to tank Obama gets stronger and McCain gets weaker .

McCain has been tied to Bush . Obama has not. And the American voters know that.

Palin is a non starter. But a very good cheer-leader that comes across well on the TV.

GC
37

W Smith,

Middle East 04/10/2008 06:36:17
Of course, Sarah Palin isn't as gifted as some of our more experienced Labour Party politicans:

1) Cathy Jameson - art student

2) Gordon Brown - TV journalist turned Chancellor

3) Jack McConnell - teacher

4) John Prescott - steward/cleaner in merchant navy

If only american politicians would sit at the feet of the socialists in UK and learn the ropes they would do a much better job then, eh?
38

Boy Wonder,

04/10/2008 06:38:25
If the Republicans win ... expect McCain to cash in his chips with a heart attack round about 18 months in. She's just "backwoodsy" enough to cause it! And then the real horror will begin.

Be afraid, America ... be very, very afraid ... and don't vote this woman into power!!
39

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA.. for more WAR VOTE McCain 04/10/2008 07:36:10
Mall to sell off Mao's private jet;
----------------------------------
Hey Dudes .
Mao Zedong would not be happy about this . but unlike Sarah Palin , his jet was not put on E-Bay

MZ still stares down on Tiananmen Square from a Wall poster, showing off his bald head , But the symbol of a burnt book is no longer on the poster.

I wonder of MZ ever eat shroom omelets. I know he eat greasy Peking Duck , and killed millions of Chinese.

Adios

GC
40

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 04/10/2008 08:40:49
#21 "Obama is what is frightening folks. He is far too inexperienced to be President."

Yet he's able to generate huge funds for his campaign. He must have something, and seems to know how the world works. And you never know, perhaps he can put that skill to use for his country by generating money to pay off its debts.

On the other hand, he seems too much of a political careerist to me. I don't see much change coming whoever wins.
41

Richardinho,

04/10/2008 08:44:04
This article may be about Palin, but I feel that Biden came across well in the debate. he was knowledgeable, dignified and courteous towards his opponent. Palin may have successfully painted him as 'Washington based', but Washington politicians are people too, and Biden came across as a decent man imho.
42

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 04/10/2008 09:47:10
2 dogs in D.C.

What a wise wise and clever writer Mark Twain was. Thank you for using that very apt quote.

With friends like Palin who needs enemies?

She is a palid and vacuous birdbrain and to think that woman MAY some day be in control of the button to start the Third World War.

I am not denying her right as a woman to get whatever high office she is voted into but to be a possible President of the most powerful nation on earth is enough to keep one awake at nights - and I am not even American but the grand US of A is but a half-hours drive away from Ottawa.

Scary, VERY scarrrrry.
43

Media 1,

cape town 04/10/2008 10:14:04
Thankfully, most people in America are not the stereotypical ignorant and uneducated numpties we are so used to.

Most people around the world are aware that Palin is out of her depth, but we have become so used to sub standard American leaders like Bush that it's almost expected to come across people like Palin and McCain.

The most promising thing this time around is that Obama is a proper statesman. And in the end he WILL win, we all know he will because the American people are sick to death of men like McCain and Bush, their bombs, their destruction, their hate, their terror, their incompetence in the economic and banking sectors, their inability to deliver 3 sentences without a gaffe, their sickening support of war and carnage, their TOTAL lack of regard for the people who died in 9/11 and their support for Bin Laden.

44

subrosa,

04/10/2008 11:36:29
I watched this whole debate. Palin was confident, bordering on arrogance at times when she talked about Alaska and her wonderful works there. She had obviously been trained to divert to "I want to speak to the average American" when she had no idea of an answer to a question.

Biden, on the other hand, was professional, gentlemanly and tolerant (to a degree) of her answers. He was confident and knowledgeable in his answers and he actually replied factually to questions.

Palin's view of the war in Iraq made me shudder. Scarey stuff.

As a total outsider, I know which party I would be electing and it's not the party which wants a Vietnam in Iraq. It's not the party which has a VP who doesn't understand the workings of Washington either.

"Oh man, it's so obvious I'm a Washington outsider," she said. "I'm someone who's just not used to the way you guys operate."

That was an admission of her inability to do the VP job if ever there was one.
45

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 04/10/2008 12:08:24
With regard to that odious Palin woman...

"Her PUBLIC (my emphasis) charm was highly evident".

This was said either of The Duchess of Windsor or The Late Queen Mother.

It is NOT a compliment.
46

JayDeeTee,

04/10/2008 13:25:52
Why do we never hear about Joe Biden? Why are there no articles written about him? Because he isn't a woman. The media are pathetic and driven by a huge feminist agenda that has got way out of control. This whole Vice Presidency campaign has been made into a gender issue and I expect most female voters will voe for Palin just because she is a woman. Shallow and pathetic.
47

Kelvino,

- NY 04/10/2008 14:36:35
# 46-

"I expect most female voters will vote for Palin just because she is a woman. Shallow and pathetic."

Just to be clear, who is "shallow and pathetic?"

The women for voting for an obviously-unqualified candidate. . . . or the world "feminist-agenda media" that you imply is out of control ? Is ALL world media
controlled by some unseen sinister force ? There are millions of news sources. . . all with differing points of view, no ?

How is this "agenda" possible, given the diversity of each country's ideological viewpoint ?
48

SouthernGent,

04/10/2008 15:22:51
#46
"This whole Vice Presidency campaign has been made into a gender issue and I expect most female voters will voe for Palin just because she is a woman. Shallow and pathetic"

So, would you say the same about the black population in the US that is voting for Obama strictly because he is black?
49

JayDeeTee,

04/10/2008 16:07:36
#47.

You seek clarification? The people who vote for somebody based on their gender are shallow and pathetic.

Your second point. I don't know if there are 'millions of news sources.....' as you say. I suppose there are where you are but over here the views of your Presidency campaign are focussed almost entirely on what this woman does or says. I know, because I see or hear it every day. Never seen Joe Biden on television that I can recall, and haven't heard or read much anywhere else, but we know all about Palin.

So consider why this is?
50

JayDeeTee,

04/10/2008 16:12:32
#48.

If your last paragraph is correct then they too are shallow and pathetic.

People should vote on the policies of a party and not the individuals. Whilst I accept individuals can have a great influence in matters such as this, it is sad if people cannot or will not see behind the facade.
51

Laurette,

04/10/2008 17:09:04
Southern Gent
She practices Washington Politics in Alaska. She learned well from Ted Stevens who is now on trial for an ethics violation and the current Troopergate hearings and the refusal of her husband and aides to ignore subpoenas shows that she has learned Washington politics rather well while touting herself as an outsider.
52

SouthernGent,

04/10/2008 17:23:23
#51
"and the current Troopergate hearings and the refusal of her husband and aides to ignore subpoenas shows that she has learned Washington politics "

If you think thats what it "shows", you need to do a little more research. Troopergate is pure partisan politics. How would you handle it if your enemies put together allegations of falsehoods. You drink the cool-aid without asking questions. Why is the "panel" partisan? Wouldn't you want a "bipartisan" jury if you were accused, I sure would. Justice needs to be impartial, yet you convict her on unproven allegations because your party says so.
53

Sandi,

San Diego 04/10/2008 18:20:09
Sarah Palin did a great job and only the "Obamamedia" polls showed that Biden won by a lot, or at all. Unfortunately, most of the msm is Obamamedia.

#51 SouthernGent, You are completely correct about "Troopergate". I have been a Democrat since becoming a citizen in 1985. I am ashamed of the way my party has behaved in this election cycle, both during the primaries and now, in the general election. There are millions of Democrats who think as I do, but most of them will not be posting on blogs for fear of being called racist. It is disgusting.

Joe Biden having been a Senator for 35 years, and the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, ought to have a lot more information than Palin.

Don't even suggest that she is not qualified for the position for which she is running. She is more qualified that Obama, who if elected will not be "a heartbeat away from the presidency", but would be the president. Now that is a very scary thought.

As for this idea that John McCain is going to drop dead while president, let me remind you that his mother is going very strong at the age of 96. Yes, it's possible that his years of torture as a prisoner of war might shorten his life expectancy, but nobody really knows.

On the other hand, both of Obama's parents died at relatively young ages, plus he is a smoker and has used all kinds of illegal drugs-by his own admission. So what does that say about his life expectancy?
54

Sandi,

San Diego 04/10/2008 18:37:37
And to the editors,

Could you have found a less flattering picture of Palin? No? I didn't think so. This is the kind of nonsense that was used with Hillary Clinton too. Pitiful "journalism".
55

Kelvino,

- NY 04/10/2008 18:43:31
From today's Rasmussen Polls:

"Forty-five percent (45%) of voters thought Biden won the debate while 37% thought Palin emerged victorious.

Fans of each campaign overwhelmingly thought their team won. Obama supporters favored Biden by an 81% to 3% margin while McCain voters declared Palin the victor 76% to 5%.

And a hearty congratulations to all American citizens
for becoming shareholders in the new Union of American Socialist States, otherwise known by Bush & Co. as. . . . . . . . U-ASS !

56

Kelvino,

- NY 04/10/2008 18:59:04
The obvious reason that Sarah Palin has been the focus of so much attention is simply because she is seen by many in both political parties as being an extremely poor choice by a very desperate John McCain. More and more it is clear that this unfortunate candidate has been "thrown to the dogs," both conservative and liberal, and that she is now a heavy weight on McCain's campaign.

Her non-debate comments always add more fuel to the fire, as her unrehearsed viewpoints are
juvenile, at best.

I truly feel very sorry for her and for my wife and daughter who wanted to be able to vote for a competent candidate. Hillary Clinton is our state senator and we were hoping to be able to vote for her for president.
57

Richardinho,

04/10/2008 19:50:44
#57 Palin comes across as above all a phoney. She goes on and on about hows she's just an ordinary American, when in reality she's a millionairess who lives in a mansion house.
Biden didn't hide the fact that he is a 'Washington insider', but people should ask themselves-'is that really such a bad thing?' He comes across as someone who is knowledgeable, experienced and very dignified. American could do a lot worse.
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Kelvino,

- NY 04/10/2008 19:53:49
Why do you think that Sarah keeps trying to aim her message to "hockey moms" and "Joe six-packs?"

Who ARE these people ?

Are they still married ?

Let me guess. . . .she's a nurse, does all of the cooking, pays bills, drives the kids to all of their appointments and events, cleans the house, washes the dishes, does the laundry. . . . . .while "JOE" sits on his big ignorant ass and clicks from channel to channel, complaining that dinner isn't ready yet !

We don't need a nation of "Joes" and we don't need a candidate that kisses Joe's ass either !
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Kelvino,

- NY 04/10/2008 20:29:45
All American women should be appalled that Sarah accepts and encourages the concept of a lazy-assed
"Joe-Sixpack," a guy whose only contribution is an occasional paycheck and a few sporadic grunts.

Is THIS what we want for our sons ? "Game-Boys" and rappers ?

No wonder that girls are in the majority in college, with young men being raised as imbiciles by negligent
parents who see no need to improve themselves in any way. "Gimme another beer, OK honey ?"

Is the new model of young male behaviour to be her new son-in-law, who describes himself as a "F**king Redneck" on his Facebook page ?

We DO NOT need a candidate who encourages the WORST of our actions, but who sets a higher standard of
operation for all of us. Considering that we are sliding into economic turmoil, we really need to gather our resources for what may be around the corner.




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Sandi,

San Diego 04/10/2008 22:08:36
#57,

Do you have a link to show where your ridiculous idea that that Sarah Palin is "a millionairess" comes from?

It just isn't true. Not even close to being true. The Palins released their tax returns for the last two years. There's no mystery there at all. They don't live in a "mansion" either, but real estate is a lot less expensive in Wasilla, AK than it is in Edinburgh.

However, keep up the good work spreading lies and misinformation. Do you get paid by the hour or by the letter?

Whether or not being Washington insider is a good thing or a bad thing was decided long ago by Biden's running mate, Barack Obama. Obama's entire campaign for the last two years has been built around him being a Washington OUTsider. Of course, he's not really, but Sarah Palin is.

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Dunnie,

Canada 04/10/2008 22:42:29
Sandi - 57 Richardinho is a troll, a wind-up artist.

Ignore him.
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Finnqueen,

Lempäälä 04/10/2008 22:50:00
#62 Dunnie

Aye! So is Kelvino
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Dunnie,

Canada 04/10/2008 22:50:29

Why did it take a presidential campaign and media scrutiny for Obama to disassociate himself from his long-time rabid and racist pastor?

Why do the American people have this fixation with Bill Clinton? He was the King of Porkbarrel; a serial liar; an absolute innocent when it came to international relations (Somalia, Kosovo, Al Queda etc., etc.) impeached and yet despite these facts, issued presidential pardons to supporters like candy days before he left the White House. And now Obama has this scumbag on the stump for his presidency.



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Finnqueen,

Lempäälä 04/10/2008 22:51:43
54 Sandi

An obvious media agenda is in play.
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SouthernGent,

04/10/2008 23:46:06
#60
You have got to be kidding. You rant about the same behavior that the democrats enable. Unbelievable.
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SCULLION1,

Canada 04/10/2008 23:46:55
This name change should make it more difficult for the fans who wish to impersonate me-I hope.
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Kelvino,

- NY 05/10/2008 00:07:55
Thursday, October 2
WASILLA, Alaska (AP) — Sarah Palin and her husband have pieced together a uniquely Alaskan income that reached comfortably into six figures even before she became governor, capitalizing on valuable fishing rights, a series of land deals and a patchwork of other ventures to build an above-average lifestyle.

Add up the couple's 2007 income and the estimated value of their property and investments and they appear to be worth at least $1.2 million. That would make the Palins, like Democratic vice presidential rival Joe Biden and his wife Jill, well-off but not nearly as wealthy as multimillionaire couples John and Cindy McCain and, to a lesser extent, Barack and Michelle Obama.

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Kelvino,

- NY 05/10/2008 00:21:59

#63

Sorry if my actual opinions are taken as "trolling."

#66 - The behavior I referred to is being held up to us by the Palins as what we are to aspire to ?
Pregnant daughters knocked-up by self-defined "f-ing rednecks?" "Joe six-packs?" Why do we continually keep lowering the bar ? How do democrats specifically
enable this behavior ? How is this possibly OK within the realm of responsible parenting ?

As for todays electoral projections ( which makes most of our little disagreements moot. . . ) check out the following link:

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard;_ylt=AlkFeOSpbTDc7ep5BBq5voJh24cA


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Dunnie,

Canada 05/10/2008 00:27:11

68 - Kelvin - so, let me get this straight: you either have a problem with someone "building" an above-average lifestyle or you are implying that the Palins built their lifestyle through improper means.

Personally, I admire people who have the guts and entreprenurial spirit to make such a living or achieve such a lifestyle.

It's somewhat curious that we make multi-millionaires out of crude and untalented people in the so-called "arts" yet we become professional lifestyle auditors of people who, at a certain point in their successful careers, choose to enter public service.

I agree, in doing so, they must accept to undergo the most intense and sometimes frenzied scrutiny. However, as long as their wealth was acquired in a leagl and ethial manner, why sneer at them? Jealousy? Envy? Unstated political motives?
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Dunnie,

Canada 05/10/2008 00:31:07

69 - Kelvin - You ask : "How do democrats specifically
enable this behavior" ?

Well sonny Jim, for example, you eastern elitists helped elect an individual that enabled such behaviour: Bill Clinton an immoral, Arkansas rube by your standards.
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Kelvino,

- NY 05/10/2008 01:12:52
#70 / 71

My. . . UNEDITED . . .clip from the Associated Press was a response to #61 - the Palin's are NOT one of "us," unless you are fortunate to be in the millionaire class, which I am not.

I personally have owned a business for 35 years, so I know a bit about "building" a lifestyle. As for being "lifestyle auditors" of those in public life, we both appear to be doing a fine job of it, are we not ?
Isn't it our job to vet these folks and see if they are up to the tasks ?

"Sonny Jim" says it all ! It's a funny old expression that I heard as a child, which at age 60+, I am no longer. Yet, I thank you for the condescenion, nonetheless.

I agree, Bill Clinton was an immoral cad. . . and a world-respected statesman. He lost a lot of admirers like myself, who can never look at him the same way again.

"Eastern elitist?" Get off it ! What the hell is that supposed to mean ? Another tired old senseless expression of what, exactly ? Are you an "elitist" because you are one of few on this board that can actually string words together into mewaningful sentences ? Perhaps so !

Let me clue you into a little bit of Americana; if you read books and can write a coherent sentence you are automatically suspected of being an "elitist" in this country. "Smarts" are not valued here, which should be clear from all media beamed your way from the US.
This is exactly WHY a Sarah Palin was moved into position. . . she's "one of us!" A pretty face with a head full of smart-ass answers to real-life problems.
Simple answers for simple folks. . . .something "Joe Sixpack" would appreciate.

In any case, if the electoral counts are anywhere near reality, McCain doesn't stand a chance of being elected and all of the drivel from my side is for naught.

Really. . .have a look at this and check out each state's numbers. He might as well pack it in now in all of the states, not just working-class Michigan.


http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard;_ylt=AlkF
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Dunnie,

Canada 05/10/2008 01:37:28
Perhaps, just perhaps, we may be violently agreeing.

However, I must say I have never seen such an uninspiring slate of candidates.

And, as the mouse that sleeps next to the elephant, that can be most disturbing.
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Kelvino,

- NY 05/10/2008 01:51:02

#71

One more thought before I sign off. . .

The average American has not read ONE single book in an entire year. . . . . . cannot find IRAN on a map. .
thinks that the "free market" always solves our economic problems, believes in the devil and angels and that God helps guide our American (not Canadian)leaders.

Is that how you see us, from your perspective ?

Just WHAT kind of a country could we possibly have if we elect people "just like ourselves?" We had one of those for the past 8 years. . .HE did well by us, didn't he ? ("The kinda guy you could have a beer with," people would say about Bush )

Forget the beer. . . how about doing the job of President. . .presiding. . . overseeing the operation, possibly preventing catastrophic damage to our country's economy from the all-powerful "private sector."

Happy that you did NOT follow his advice in putting your Social Security in the hands of Wall Street ?

Get ready for HOARDS of Americans coming to live in Canada if McCain steals the vote. . . .

Need anyone with excellent building, computer-design and business management skills ?
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Kelvino,

- NY 05/10/2008 01:52:26
Dunnie-

It is WE that are quickly becoming the mouse. . . .
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2dogs in D.C.,

05/10/2008 02:59:43
Naw, with luck, we'll become the donkey that relaxed the world.
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mike - across the pond,

sandi 05/10/2008 03:23:10
kelvino has a stool at a hardware store in upper appalacia...

a stool that his wife evedently frequently finds him and his buddies staring slack jawed at images of Sarah Palin...

all his words not mine..

dont they call those types neanderthals? lol
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Dunnie,

Canada 05/10/2008 03:24:21

Kelvino - Much is wrong with your country.

However, it is all too easy for so many to stand by and remonstrate.

Much remains great within the USA.

Yes, I do agree with you that many Americans need to become a little more worldly in their understanding of America's role within the international community.

The belief that "God, Guts and Guns" made America great is simply a recipe for disaster.

We get our fair share of American visitors up here especially around the area where our family cottage is located. We welcome them and most are polite and respectful. However, over the last 30 years or so, I have noticed a change in many of such visitors.

With some there are open and dismissive complaints about our metric system or our taxesm. Others, especially during the hunting season, flaunt our laws.

Each summer we find garbage and empty beer cans - cans that could only come from the US - either left on our shoreline or in our waters.

All this to say, is that I am fed up with such a doormat approach to one of your most loyal and steadfast allies.

There is something fundamentally wrong with America. I don't know what it is but I sincerely hope that someone can retrieve its moral and political compass.

I just don't know if Obama is such a person to do just that.

Whatever happens in November I will certainly be hoping that the result be in America's favour. Cheers.

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mike - across the pond,

Kelvino 05/10/2008 03:37:32
or should that be kel-WINO... from all the DNC kool-aid you drink

for one who claims to be of the erudite class, have you ever bothered to READ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act ?

what do you think happens when you FORCE banks to make loans in "underserviced communities"?

IF you let FREE MARKET CAPITALISM run its course, these GREEDY BANKERS would serve these communities... BECAUSE at SOME rate, there IS money to be made there...

but....

IF you force SOCIAL ENGINEERING (aka socialism) you get what we have now...

the QUESTION is do you want to put one of minions of the far left in the whitehouse with the likes of PELOSI and REID running the congress?
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Kelvino,

- NY 05/10/2008 03:52:01
Dunnie:

I appreciate your observations and also hope that we can work out the difficulties that we created for ourselves here. We need to become better world citizens, as we no longer own many elements of our own country any longer and, by necessity, need to learn how to "play with others" in a more cooperative way.
The empire is evaporating, which, ultimately, is a good thing for us and the rest of the world.

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Dunnie,

Canada 05/10/2008 04:00:31


Kelvino - Good night chum. I will watch the November election results with great interest.

Good luck.
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Kelvino,

- NY 05/10/2008 04:41:26
#Mike-

Incoming ! . . . . . Another "Mike-Attack !"

Folks, I think he's REALLY lost it this time ! Into the "shrooms" or something ! Read the above posts and judge for yourselves. . .very sad, indeed. . .

Talk about a "Joe Six-Pack !"

What can I say, Mike, other than you've proven yourself to be an angry, confused person who doesn't know what happened to the country he may have fought for in the past. It was sold out, Mike ! Not by me, not by "liberals" or "libertarians," but by the very corporations that used to employ Americans. Our glorious "service economy" is now imploding and no one seems to know how this will evolve. You want a real "leader," but can't find one. You want easy answers, but there aren't any. You want a definite PLAN, but no one has one to offer. We're all wingin' it here !

Most of all, you want to BLAME. . . .blame "liberals", blame Clinton for a couple of Bjs and telling a LIE. . . blame Hillary for being smarter than yourself. . . . blame Obama for being the devil himself. Mike. . . . it's ALL YOU, MAN ! A "mini-me" parody of Bill O'Reilly, but without the cash in the bank.


We're all in the same boat here, but you need a scapegoat and appear desperate to find one. . . .
keep looking, friend, and maybe you'll find one eventually. If your home-life is anything like your
rantings, I would guess that you are quite alone,
"misunderstood" and "off your course."

I could say a lot more, but what would be the point ?

Do you honestly think that a Brooklyn-born, Catholic-schooled scrappy Irishman like me is going to fall for your moronic taunts ? Have another beer, Mike !
Those empties must REALLY be piling up in the garage by now !

You sound like a Michael Savage ( Actually "Michael Weiner" from the Bronx) or a Bill O'Reilly ( a victim of a VERY strict Catholic boy's school in Mineola, LI / NY ) who are both dangerously bitter, angry
men like yourself.

I've read your posts on many an occasion and c
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Kelvino,

-NY 05/10/2008 04:43:39
and can sometimes detect some HINT of consistancy in your arguments. The posting above pretty much covers ALL points of view from liberal to conservative; you simply have no idea WHAT to think any longer, based on your meanderings within the thought process. You cover all opposing bases while denying them in the same sentence. A truly amazing talent ! Perhaps this is why you like Sarah Palin; she also make no sense !

The "Hardware Store" posting that meant so much to you was written to snag an astute scholar such as yourself
when Sarah first hit the scene. . . a little "baiting," as it were. You seem to identify with the story, which all good fiction writers set as their goal. I'm happy that this appears to have some meaning for you. I assure you that I neither hang out at a hardware store, drool on myself, or wear "Depends," but I am happy that I caught your attention with such minor imagery.

However, that Sarah is one hot-lookin' mama, eh ?
Too bad she's radio-controlled by the "Dick". . .. Cheney.


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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 05/10/2008 14:57:13
Southern Gent:
I get my information from Alaskan Sources, such as
http://mudflats.worldpress.com or ADN. Of course you would classify them as Liberal as they paint a very different picture from your view of Troopergate. Since it's now in the hands of the Alaska Supreme Court - we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out - won't we?
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57Nomad,

california 05/10/2008 17:20:32
#4 lhtt

lhtt said:

"Some people should be denied the vote."

Okay, let's start with you.
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57Nomad,

california 05/10/2008 17:43:06
#7 JohnPM

JPM said:

"What employment rights are 'enjoyed' in the US compared to the EU?"

Uh, the vast majority, if not every single living American believe they have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There can be no employment "rights." Not without distorting the definition of rights.

Rights are free, rights are inexhaustible. The are not legislated. They are granted by God and they are inherent birthright of every single human being. Nonsense and sophomoric claims of curious rights, such as employment, health care, etc., can never be rights because they are artifacts.

I'm not convinced that you know the difference between a right and an obligation of the government. If you want socialized medicine and the people of your country want it and they elect representatives who will enact the enabling legislation. This becomes an obligation of the government but can never be a right.

Why? Because the underlying but unspoken assumption is that the State is the repository of rights and the State can grant them or withdraw or deny them. God grants us our rights and the government is not competent to add to or remove them. The legitimate purpose of government is to defend those rights.

As far as granting or revoking the kind of rights that involve artifacts, it's not and can never be a right. If you say every citizen is entitled to free unrestricted medical care, then you have enslaved the entire medical establishment. You are saying that some men have the right to compel others to work. If you have a 'right' to medical care then someone will have to provide that care on their own or be compelled to do it by the State. Here's the take home message on that. No man has the 'rights' to the fruits of another man's labor. That's slavery.