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Black or white: Choice for many Americans



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Published Date: 17 July 2008
A BLACK barber in Charleston, South Carolina, I met during the Democratic primary campaign this year said it best: He told me that for his seven-year-old son, playing a video game at the back of the shop, no amount of affirmative action programmes and special initiatives would convince him he could make it in life so much as the simple fact of seeing a black president in the White House. "That would be the sign," he told me.
This comment explains better than any number of polls and pundits the reason Obama won the black vote, and hence the primaries, by managing a difficult trick: Gaining the support of blacks without losing that of the whites.

But as the presidential
election looms into view this racial balancing act poses a newer harsher threat, with a poll for the New York Times and CBS giving stark evidence that the United States is as racially divided as ever.

Blacks may back Obama by margins of more than 80 per cent, but whites go for rival John McCain by 47 per cent to 37 per cent.

Racial tension may not be simmering, but the divide remains wide, a self-imposed apartheid, with the New York Times concluding: "Few Americans have regular contact with people of other races."

When asked whether blacks or whites had a better chance of getting ahead in today's society, 64 per cent of black respondents said that whites did.

Blacks and whites cannot agree even on how bad racism is; 55 per cent of whites insist race relations are good, a view shared by only a quarter of blacks.

To realise just how big a problem Obama's colour is, consider that if he were white, he would be a shoo-in for the presidency. The Bush administration is one of the most catastrophic in US history, with the president's popularity lower than any other White House incumbent since the Second World War.

Any Democrat should be able to walk into the presidency in these circumstances. Instead Obama is grappling with a lead of four to seven points over McCain with one-third of white voters insisting that they don't know enough about Obama to decide if he is good or bad.

Phil Noble, a Democratic Party official and long-time Obama supporter, says Obama's political trajectory can be likened to a white couple agreeing their daughter can date a black, only to throw up their hands in horror when she comes home to announce they are engaged. "Democratic primaries were about inter-racial dating, but the presidential election is about inter-racial marriage," he says.

Few polls ask whites whether they are racist, the reason being that pollsters don't expect a straight answer. But towards the end of the primary season, a fifth of white voters in a couple of states admitted that they do not want a black president in the White House.

Feeding into this insecurity is a nervousness about a man who's chief virtue – his youth and dynamism – is also his chief handicap. Put simply, nobody really knows whether Obama is up to the job.

Americans are used to seeing presidents promising the world only to crumble once in office, unable to make bold choices. The two previous Democrat presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, arrived in the White House promising brave new worlds only to shrink when it came to the tough decisions.

While his rallies are rock-concert uplifting events, his failure to define what he means by his slogan "change" puts you in mind of Tony Blair and his famous "Third Way," a concept that, to this day, he has been unable to define.

To his credit, Obama is striving mightily to articulate that vision. One pledge guaranteed to please is the promise to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the rich and spread it among the middle classes.

Another has been his keynote speech this week to the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People calling for a culture of victimhood to be replaced by one of "personal responsibility," neatly taking as his own the key mantra of the Republican Party.

But on other fronts some detect signs of what the Republicans call flip-flop, the tendency to change policy with the wind. Having fought a primary campaign promising to pull all troops out of Iraq, Obama now says he will "refine" the plan after talking to generals on the ground.

While on the face of it a prudent move, the suggestion has fuelled concerns that Obama is too new and inexperienced to grapple with what is the most powerful political office on the planet.

What keeps some Democrats awake at night is the thought that, while the electorate might like Obama, when push comes to shove they will go with the devil they know and vote McCain, just as British voters told pollsters they preferred Neil Kinnock in 1992 but at the voting booth decided it was best to stick with John Major.

Noble is more optimistic, saying that while whites might worry about his inexperience and his colour, they may also see him as the embodiment of the American dream: Born to a white mother and black father, he has relatives living in straw huts in Kenya, yet has also won the ultimate establishment accolade of becoming president of the Harvard Law Review.

"It's twice as hard for him because he's unusual, because he's black," says Noble. "It will take longer for a lot of (white) people to get comfortable with him, but that don't mean they won't."

And Noble has statistics on his side. Throughout the primaries, Obama's numbers consistently went up once he had visited a state – once people had got to see him up close and personal.

His lead over McCain may be narrow but, in a highly polarised country, he is ahead in all three states likely to decide the election: Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Obama's other asset is his opponent's weakness: On the three subjects that voters say matter the most to them, the economy, healthcare and Iraq, McCain's policies are essentially the same as Bush's, allowing Democratic campaign commercials to trumpet that a McCain presidency means "four more years" of the same.

And his life story has convinced many that there is steel in the Obama bones. "He's had to fight for everything," says New York software developer Elizabeth Mwangi, a young Kenyan-American. "He thinks and ponders, (but) he's dynamic, he's definitely able to weather the storms."

Aim to end culture of victimhood

BARACK Obama may or may not get to revolutionise the US presidency, but he has already turned the country's black political establishment inside out.

His speech this week to the National Association for the Advancement for Coloured People laid out a radical new direction for blacks in the US – replacing a culture of victimhood with one of "personal responsibility".

The call was deftly timed because it will go down well with whites nervous that a black president may fund new black-only entitlement programmes.

Less happy are some African American leaders, who have made appeals to victimhood the lever to their success, none more so than the nation's second most prominent black politician, the Rev Jesse Jackson.

Mr Jackson's unguarded comment about Mr Obama, that he wanted to "cut his nuts off", caught on TV cameras, has scandalised Americans, but surprised few of them.

Mr Obama took note of Mr Jackson's failure to win the Democratic primaries twice in the 1980s, when his appeal to black entitlement turned away whites.

As a result, Mr Obama has largely shunned senior African American leaders, refusing several invitations to speak at black political events for fear of alienating whites.

His demand that blacks, and all other Americans, take "personal responsibility" to heart was greeted with wild applause.

But it remains a difficult pill to swallow: In the racial divide, it is African Americans who have come off worst, from beatings and lynchings to job discrimination and humiliations such as South Carolina's insistence to this day of displaying the flag of the slave-owning Confederate South outside its government headquarters.

Mr Obama's supporters insist blacks will gain as much as whites from agreeing to let bygones by bygones in order to fulfil Martin Luther King famous "dream", in which he spoke of Americans not being judged by the colour of their skin.

A noble ideal, but one that has sidestepped Mr Jackson and his cohorts, many of them bitter that Mr Obama appears to be ignoring their significant role in the giant strides towards racial equality that the US has made since the 1960s.





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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 00:38:41

Unfortunately, 'Obama' has his cards lined up by others, history will repeat.
2

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17/07/2008 00:38:58
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 17/07/2008 00:49:30
I would say that the journalist who wrote this worked very hard to document & support his point of view.

In America the Democrat nominee for president normally gets 80-90% of the black vote. and the republican candidate normally gets a majority of the white vote. This election is completely normal in this regard.

I see also the article above quotes New York Times that says few Americans have contact with other races. That is something that myself & other Americans will say is not true. We've always been a multi-racial nation.
4

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

17/07/2008 01:43:25
#3 Wally

Which Democrat President Nominee only got 80% of the Black vote?
5

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 17/07/2008 01:45:17
Once again, the liberal media have been busted.

CNN's Situation Room showed Obama discussing his plan for ending
the Iraq war, saying he would "call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
and give them a new mission, and that is to bring the war in
Iraq to a close."
What CNN isn't telling you, is that
there's just one problem: that's not the job of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff -- the war is under the jurisdiction of CENTCOM. Of course,
the liberal media have ignored this major gaffe by the potential
Commander In Chief.
6

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

17/07/2008 01:49:38
#3 Wally

Are you implying Blacks can't think for themselves? If so you are being a racist! Why do they vote for democrats in such a high % since democrats do not do anything for them and repbublicans are the ones that freed slaves and pushed foward the civil rights acts in the 60s? There were several racist democrats in the 60's standing in the way of the civil rights movement.
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Scullion,

Canada 17/07/2008 01:51:48
#3 Multi-racial yes, racial co-operation, no.
I've spent enough time in 99% white Kearny N.J. (which is separated by a bridge from 95% black Newark)to feel the ingrained racism first hand.
America definitely does have two solitudes and perhaps this man Obama may help gulf the chasm between them.
#5 Please let's not get into gaffes, Bush and Reagan's would fill a library. Bush has yet to pronounce "nuclear" correctly in 8 years-and he has his finger on the "nuculer" button.
8

2dogs in D.C.,

17/07/2008 02:08:55
The Baracknaphobia continues unabated.
9

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

17/07/2008 02:09:28
#7 Scullion

I see you are still using liberal stats

Hear are more accrate numbers -

Kearny, NJ 75% White

Newark, NJ 53% Black
10

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

17/07/2008 02:11:45
If you want to see really bad racism just go visit Scullions Canada, they treat their native indians awfully.
11

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

17/07/2008 02:13:12
I guess Scullion has never heard of accents... Ya know? eh?
12

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

17/07/2008 02:19:22
I like the way some people only use 2 syllables in Jaguar. Canadians are the worst in slandering the English language and Scullion has the nerve to bust on a Texas way of saying nuclear
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W Smith,

Middle East 17/07/2008 04:20:25
"Blacks may back Obama by margins of 80%.."

More inaccurate drivel from The Scotsman.

It should read:

"Blacks may back any Democrat by margins of 80%".

This is FACT.

Black voting patterns in the USA are very similar to Glasgow east. Spme of these blacks are in a rut big time as they come out with rant after rant about the "whites".

The black community have yet to explain why the Hispanics, Koreans, Chinese, and Indians living in the USA aren't as prone to drugs, violence and the breakdown of family life.

BTW
The notorious racist Governor of Alabama in the '60s was Mr George Wallace a left wing DEMOCRAT.

Actual footage of Wallace was used in the movie 'FORREST GUMP'. Wallace opposed black children being allowed into white schools.

The federal government over-ruled the state government and troops had to be called in to protect black kids as they made their way to school.

I wouldn't trust this journalist Chris Stephen or any one associated with the left-wing New York Times for a history lesson.

With a name like "Wallace" guess where his ancestors are from?

Better not mention the strong Scottish connection with america's Ku Klux Klan either.

It might spoil the neocons-are-racist journalism in Scotland and force us to drag up parts of our history that can't be blamed on the English or the Tories or the Yanks.
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Phillip,

17/07/2008 04:30:29
I for one will never vote for Obama & I am incredibly liberal. He simply does not yet have the age or experience necessary for such an important job. I hear him talking about "Change" all the time yet he refuses to actually articulate what that means. Change is not always good. Quite frequently change is for the worse not the better.

One of the biggest reasons why I cannot vote for him is his amazing lack of accomplishment in Government. I hear him saying how he did this and that in the Illinois legislature and then that he made all this changes and did all sorts of important things in the Senate. Yet when you look at the record you find that all he did was vote for someone else's bill. He has not authored a single piece of important legislation in his entire political career. He didn't even co-sponsor a single major piece of legislation. He has, however, been very good at showing up for press conferences and taking credit for work he did not do.

In his advertisements he is also making a big deal about how he chose to serve the community in government after law school instead of taking high paying jobs in a law firm or on Wall Street. He says it was such a struggle to pay off his student loans as a community activist and then as a low-paying state legislator. Yet somehow he is now worth $3.3 million dollars. He made less than $30,000 per year in the Illinois legislature for the handful of years he was there. And as a US Senator he makes only slightly more than $100,000 per year. Even if he saved every single penny of his salary and didn't spend a bit of it, it would be impossible for him to have saved up $500,000 much less $3.3 million!

I for one want to know where that money came from? Could it possibly be related to the less-than ethical crowd with whom he socialized in Chicago? The slum-lord/developer who was recently convicted of felony racketeering and who helped Obama buy property at below market rates?

I couldn't care less w
15

Pilrig.,

Livingstons 17/07/2008 05:45:47
12 - the English langauge is there to be slandered, like every other language. That's how languages develope !



13 - neocons aren't racist, they're just heid-cases in need of psychotherapy.

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Guga II,

Rockall 17/07/2008 08:07:56
#15 Pilrig.

I agree with your comments about the neocons.

However, #13 is racist. He is always trying his best to slander and denigrate the Scots.
17

Media 1,

cape town 17/07/2008 08:27:56
Personally, I hope Obama wins, but not because he is black. My support for Obama stems from the fact that I believe he would be a better President than boom boom bomber McCain.
Obama and many other successful black people is proof that anyone can achieve if they put their minds to it, colour is irrelivant unless you decide otherwise to suit your own agenda.
It is true that across the world, white communitites are generally better managed, co-ordinated and safer than black communitites, but that has little to do with white people and more to do with the pshyche of black people.
Maybe Obama can change that, maybe now more than at any other time in the history of world politics, this one man can change the mindset of a society that needs a paradigm shift in its own self belief.
I truly believe that Obama can beat McCain, and for all our sakes I hope he does.
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Otis Boone,

Sacramento 17/07/2008 08:42:21
#6

We Blacks vote Democrat because the current demographics of the Republican party consist of whites who a) tend to ignore the black community, b) use what ails the black community to label the downtrodden of us as immoral animals, and c) live in a world where racism no longer exists because everyone can use the same water fountains and lavatories.

#13

I can explain why Hispanics, Chinese, Koreans and Indians aren't prone to drugs, violence and family life breakdown. Its because THEY ARE, just like all the white people here.

Hispanics are in prison, are in gangs, running and using drugs, and getting divorced. That's inclusive of emigrated Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Colombians, and Mexicans, the latter of which immigrate here illegally.

Chinese and Koreans each have mafias committing the same acts. In fact, the Chinese are the biggest human traffickers in the US. Find a brothel in San Francisco or Los Angeles, and ask the women you meet how they got there, and why they're sex slaves.

Chinese and Koreans are the biggest sturgeon poachers in California. Additionally, every state and the Federal Government have fishing quotas for sport fishermen that these two groups routinely ignore, in order to sell caviar and other aquatic delicacies on the black market.

Indians, as in Native Americans/Aborigines/First Nations (to use a Canadianism) are more prone to alcoholism, poverty, crime, and early death than any other ethnic group in the US. Few are coming out of the impoverished state only because the Federal Government has permitted tribes to open Casinos on their reservations.

So much misinformation being spread about black people in Europe is due to the media being published. Contrary to what you see in rap videos and on COPS, we are not all felons and welfare recipients. While the majority of us live near each other in concentrated areas, there are many of us living in the suburbs, working in Corporate and Public America as corporate office
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Otis Boone,

Sacramento 17/07/2008 08:47:20
(continued)
officers, and Public Servants, who have never been to jail, achieved Masters and Doctorates, attained High Rank in the Military and other government office, and have accumulated wealth, prestige, and respect of many in Society.

Your comments #13, being from the Middle East, is the embodiment of the pot calling the kettle black.

Not all Middle Easterners are Anti-Semitic, or terrorists. Not all African heritage people in the world wear loincloth, commit violent acts, have AIDS, or large tallywackers. Open your eyes to the idea that not everyone is the embodiment of a stereotype, and maybe your part of the world will change enough to where us Western Powers won't involve ourselves in your internal politics.
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Tommy Trout,

Alicante, Spain 17/07/2008 09:02:18
Forget Black & White for a moment, what does Obama actually stand for? All I ever hear is Change, Change, Change, but the question is, change what and when? He sounds too much like an American version of Cameron to me and he is just another clone of T. Blair.
21

minkytink,

17/07/2008 09:02:20
No 14, Phillip, Obama's wealth comes from his publishing deals, two very successful books which have reached near the top of bestseller lists in the US, plus both have won Grammy awards for their spoken word versions. The second book had a publishing advance of $1.9 million.

Obama's 2007 tax return showed a household income of $4.2 million, from about $1 million in 2006 and $1.6 million in 2005, mainly from book sales.

A real drop in the ocean, when McCain's net worth in 2006 was assessed as between $27,817,187 to $45,045,011.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDsummary.php?CID=N00006424&year=2006

Your comments are just more paranoid Obamaphobia.


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Sedov,

Scotland 17/07/2008 09:56:25
Both the Democrat and the Republican Parties are very much like the present Labour and Tory parties here, much about the same. And the same goes for their leaders. Obama supports the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the US foreign policy and could little about the credit crunch in the USA. Indeed, the only real difference between himself and McCain is the colour of their skins. So it will be business as usual whoever gets in... and the same goes for the UK at the next election and indeed in the Glasgow East by election.
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Media 1,

cape town 17/07/2008 11:13:36
The white people in America who prefer to vote for McCain based on his colour are the same as the black people in America who want to vote for Obama based on his skin colour.
At the end of the day, racial divide is a natural human reaction, its just that we are brain washed into pretending it is abnormal.
Personally I want Obama to win because I truly believe he is the best man for the job. McCain comes across as another boom boom bomber hell bent on creating more war, whereas Obama appears to be more inclined to adopt peace at all costs.
Obama to me, is the man for the job and for those reasons I hope he wins.
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walter,

17/07/2008 11:19:07
I don't know what the voting pattern are for the Dems and Reps but when I read this this article it seemed to be suggesting the same as the media where indicating during the campaign of who would be the nominee.
When a black voted Obama it was because of his policies
When a black voted Clinton it was because of her policies
When a white voted Obama it was because of his policies
When a white voted Clinton it was because they were racist.
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Palermo,

17/07/2008 11:25:08
#18 hey Otis, enjoyed hearing your take on things. I'm a rare thing in Europe, a pro-American, there's a lot of lazy, not-thought-through bandwagon-jumping anti-Americanism I find. So, it's always good to hear a first hand account.

However, I'm still trying to stifle a chuckle at your line:
"Chinese and Koreans are the biggest sturgeon poachers in California"

It's not quite Miami Vice is it?

I mean I liked poached fish, just as long as it's not Korean ;-)
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Landman,

17/07/2008 11:38:29
22 Horrible Cankers "@" Cyber Shebeen

What's with the "@" in your name troll. Are you still going to be talking about dog wangs with your new troll name?
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Itchy,

17/07/2008 11:42:02
#23 Still raging that the communists lost the cold war, I see.
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17/07/2008 13:29:20
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Palermo,

17/07/2008 13:35:21
#18 "Chinese and Koreans are the biggest sturgeon poachers in California"

and are these South Koreans, or (as I rather suspect) crazy red-under-the-bed axis-of-evil North Korean sturgeon poachers...I think we should be told

we could be sleepwalking into a hardline communist diet here etc etc
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Wally,

By the Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 17/07/2008 13:39:17
#7 Scullion - your comments are always very intelligent. I'm sure your experience in New Jersey showed you that. However, America is a place where the truths you see at different places are different. I don't doubt that America has always had the racist side in some locations it being prominent. But there's always been some locations where the racist mentality is not prominent. Even in the so-called slave states and border states sympathetic to slavery there has always been a tradition of whites & blacks working together, living as neighbors and getting along. I'm not saying you'd see that in every community you visited. But you'd see it at some times & places.

Believe me, I'm telling you the truth. at the final battle of the revolution washington ordered that a count be taken to see how many of the american soldiers were african-origin. I believe they counted just over 25% at that time.

Some of the stories of persecution against blacks in the past are horrific, and certainly true in many cases. you see different things at different places/times.
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Edward M. Kennedy,

17/07/2008 13:43:13
32 Wally

The fellow with the odd name is correct, Scullion's stats are faulty as usual. He is race baiting with those numbers. You can google those townships and check the demographics and see that Scullion is lieing about the % of Whites and Blacks to paint and incorrect photo.
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Number 6,

Germany 17/07/2008 13:58:42
It has to be Obama. If old man McCain gets in, all of the tentative recovery we are experiencing on World markets, would be wiped out overnight at the prospect of nothing but more wars. I am fully confident that the majority of American's, still smarting at getting tricked into voting for the "idiot son", will not be fooled again.
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Landman,

17/07/2008 14:03:38
#34 & #35 is Horrible Cankers being her typical troll self.

Notice the exrta comma on the end of the name, how pathetic...
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Landman,

17/07/2008 14:07:26
34 & 35 Horrible Cankers

I've backed up everything you and your FH buddies have ever posted.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 14:23:15
Expect the usual dirty tricks from the CIA,rednecks,neo-nazis,racists, and war mongers in the run up to November but it will still be President Obama
followed by a retreat from Iraq. Have a nice day y'all.
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Ballindarroch,

Highlands 17/07/2008 14:40:39
#40

A new ID, Horrible just said "Mad as a box of frogs" to someone in another thread today. ummm...
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SouthernGent,

17/07/2008 14:48:03
Although Obamas foreign policy is very appealing to many europeans, it is his domestic policy that matters more to many americans. The fact that he has said quite clearly that he will raise taxes (and not just on the upper 10% as many claim), and does not support drilling here at home (keeping the us dependent on foreign oil) are bigger issues than the wars in the me. Oil drives the world economy, and most western countries are dependent on some other country for their oil. We have more here in the us than saudi arabia, yet the democrats will not allow drilling here. It is a matter of national security, and Obamas party would rather raise taxes and put our security in the hands of countries that would rather see us go under. That is why the other 50% will not vote for Obama.

As far as the race issue goes, until all races decide to change, nothing will. These must go as well:

NAACP
The black miss america pagent
The black coaches association
National Black Farmers Association
National Black Republican Association
NATIONAL BLACK MARATHONERS' ASSOCIATION
National Black Police Association
National Black Nurses Association (NBNA)
Black Prosecutors Association
National Association of Black Journalists
National Black Bridal Association
National Black Graduate Student Association
National Black Law Students Association
National Association of Black Automotive Suppliers
National Black Fine Art Show
National Black Golf Hall of Fame
etc
etc
etc

The list is endlist. Yet try repacing the word black with the word white and all hell breaks loose. So yes, there is a racial divide, and the black community needs to end it.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 14:53:34
43# You missed one out - Klu Klux Klan. Ring any bells?
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Number 6,

Germany 17/07/2008 14:59:07
#43 Mr SouthernGent. Your Oil Companies already own the land where the oil is buried, you need to ask them why they are not drilling, the Democrats are not stopping them. Off shore is a different kettle of fish
with much more at stake. Even if you started looking tomorrow, it would be years before this oil was available to the average American.

Your current problems are not Supply , but your inability to refine, thanks to this administration
ignoring multiple warnings about refining capacity.

I heard the "Idiot son" on CNN trying to blame congress for high oil prices, the claims he made for American reserves brought howls of laughter from the "Oil community" as did his "Assurances" that there would be no spills if you let him drill in pristine Alaska (A long term goal of his family business by the way).

You have had "George of Crawford" long enough now to know he will say anything Dick Cheney tells him to.
I thought his stumbiling stuttering performance, stuggling to keep up with his tele-promter , was embarrasing and completley unconvincing. This is the guy who is still telling Americans their economy is strong for pete's sake !.
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Number 6,

Germany 17/07/2008 15:07:50
#43 You also missed out the Aryan Nation.
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Number 6,

Germany 17/07/2008 15:08:31
#43 You also missed LA Police Department
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PotomacHighlander,

USA 17/07/2008 15:37:54
That this author suggested Obama would be a shoo in if he were white is ludicrous. No, what bothers some of the electorate is that Obama is wrapping himself in images, rather than admitting just who he is really is.

No, the author totally missed the point and has been fueled by a minority of US citizens that still consider the race issue to be so important. If one looked at the results of "white" states, like Montana, one would see that this author's argument is plain and simple ignorance of the complete picture.
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Media 1,

cape town 17/07/2008 15:46:40
Southern Gent is expressing some real issues that do need addressing.
The fight against racial discrimination was fought by the black man in an attempt to gain access to the white mans world. For many years the white man denied such access, but as times passed the white race began to realise that such practices were no longer acceptable and thus times changes and rightly so. Today the black man is permitted to enjoy the white mans success in a fully democratic society, which is why it is possible for men like Obama to run for the white house. The fact that a black man is in the running in America is testament to the maturity of the white race, because there is no way that any white man would head up any black nation, black community, town or association. NEVER!
So in that regard there is a divide.
Southern Gent also pointed out the many black associations and was correct in saying that if the world black was replaced with white there would be trouble.
Personally I have no problem with race, as a white person I have always known that I will never get a job because of the colour of my skin, I need to be the best to get the job, I have always known that I will get nothing for nothing. I am also proud of my ancestors and proud that they invented, innovated and explored the planet to the point that we are now able to explore the universe and the depths of the sea.
I am also proud to admit that I hope Obama beats McCain because I believe Obama is the right man for the job. He has an integrity and a sense of honour that is missing in McCanin - Obama in my mind is the man for the job, but not because he is black, but because he is the best of the two candidates in my eyes.
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Number 6,

Germany 17/07/2008 15:51:47
At all Obama's rallies the audience is overwhelmingly white. This election will not be fought on race grounds. That's why McCain got a respectful hearing by
an all Black audience yesterday.
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Sandi,

San Diego 17/07/2008 16:36:17
#25 walter,

That is unfortunately true.

From the article:

"To realise just how big a problem Obama's colour is, consider that if he were white, he would be a shoo-in for the presidency."

This is not true. If Obama were white, he would never have made it this far. He is completely without substance or experience. The only reason he has had non-stop media coverage for the last year is the color of his skin. There are many black men and women who are far more capable than Barack Obama.

However, as he's having a much harder time than the Democratic Party leaders thought he would, because he's an empty shell, they have to use "racism" as the reason why most people have not and will not vote for him. They cannot admit that they screwed up selecting Obama.

Do not forget that he is only the "presumptive" (or "presumptuous") nominee and that the Democratic Convention in Denver at the end of August actually picks the party's nominee. Obama is losing support from voters and is losing superdelegates, who are returning to Hillary Clinton.


This three-ring-circus trip to Europe is a farce. What's really noteworthy is that Obama hasn't been there before now, but that's not a detail his marketing people want you to know about, especially when he didn't call one meeting of the subcommittee he chairs in the Senate, a subcommitte whose sole focus is Europe and NATO.

At least we now know what he meant by "change". That must refer to changing his mind to suit whichever audience he's talking to (preaching to?). He certainly isn't going to usher in any other type of "change" to Washington.
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Phillip,

17/07/2008 16:37:37
But what does Obama really stand for? And why hasn't he actually done anything in either the Illinois legislature or the Senate? He is singularly UNQUALIFIED to be President. What he has going for him is that he plays into "white guilt" by making white liberals feel good for voting for a black man, and he has a golden tongue. Not exactly the true measure of leadership.

At least McCain has fathered many important pieces of legislation and has a history of reaching across the aisle to work with Democrats on such things as Campaign Finance Reform and judicial nominations.
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Professor Truly Doolallie,

17/07/2008 16:40:41
39 - It is my professional opinion that this man is truly doolallie, that will be £45 please - NEXT -
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Professor Truly Doolallie,

17/07/2008 16:41:46
Wait a minute - I am Truly Doolallie - in which case I owe myself £45!
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 16:44:52
A vote for McCain is a vote for more of the same old Bush war mongering.
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Landman,

17/07/2008 17:50:50
#56 using my ID with a comma at the end of my ID, how pathetic you are Horrible Cankers.
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SouthernGent,

17/07/2008 18:17:09
# 44,46,47
I left out nothing. I listed sanctioned associations that would not be sanctioned if white replaced black. A purely sanctioned injustice by the american society.

As for the groups you mention, I do not condone them and they belong in a group with the black panthers, nation of islam, etc, that promote division.

#45
Geology reports indicate that there is no oil on the currently owned lands. Bad ideea to drill where there is no oil. We need all options on the table (wind, solar, oil, nuclear) to correct the problem. It won't correct it overnight, but will help long-term. If we had been drilling 10 years ago, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. Thanks Dems.

As for refineries, once again, the Dems are the ones that are restricting them, so no vote for Obama.

#55

Where were you in 2007 we Obama said this: "but let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

Obama is no different when it comes to war with the exception that he is willing to invade ALLIED territories for his wars.

I'll take my chances on the wars with McCain, but I will never vote for Obama's "redistribution of wealth" plan for individuals that do not deserve it. And before you attack that statement, I have distant family members that take advantage of the "system", and have never worked a day in their lives. I work hard to support my family and also have to supplement them. Pure BS.


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American,

17/07/2008 18:48:50
Seems the only ones making an issue of his race is him, his racist wife, the media, and the left-winged party. Playing the "race card" is actually brilliant because it takes focus away from obamas liberal views, stupid ideas, and voting records.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 18:51:00
59# I think you are mixing up Afghanistan with Iraq.
President Obama will get the troops out of Iraq and any gung ho statements from him about Afghanistan, last year, will be forgotten when you all realise that Afghanistan is unwinnable, the same as it was for the Russians. He is playing what we call here, a canny game.
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Carlee,

USA 17/07/2008 19:18:58
As an American, I agree with a lot of what has been posted. Unfortunately, I do not think Obama OR McCain is who we need as a president. I also keep hearing Obama say he stands for change, but as others said, what change and how will he accomplish these changes? I also do not think he has the experience to be president. I find it unsettling that he has not sponsored or even co-sponsored any bills of significance.

I think it's sad that if he is not elected, everybody will say it is because Americans are racists. Some of us are, that's true. But that goes both ways. People of many cultures and backgrounds are racist. Many blacks I personally know or have had contact with are racists against whites, but nobody wants to talk about that.

It is not a reason to vote for McCain because he's white or to choose to not vote for Obama because he's not white. But it is also not enough of a reason to vote for him because he's black.

We have a lot of problems in this country and the inability (refusal to cooperate, rather) of both parties to work together toward a common goal is number one. We have many pieces of legislation where the goal is the same, but neither party will agree to the other side's version, no matter how miniscule the difference, if the bill is from "the other side."

The really sad thing to me is neither choice, Obama or McCain, is a good choice. And if McCain gets elected, everyone will say it is because Americans are racists and we simply would not elect anyone who isn't white. As I said earlier, that is probably true for ALL of us. As long as race is made an issue, it will continue to be an issue.

I would be much happier with Obama as the presumptive candidate if he actually had accomplishments in his previous legislative life.
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bill2,

england 17/07/2008 19:25:15
#59 SouthernGent

Rather than admitting the truth they are trying to label you a racist.
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SouthernGent,

17/07/2008 19:30:34
#63
Try as they may, but as you say, the truth cannot be disputed.

#61
I am not mixed up about anything. You are the one that labeled McCain a war monger. I, on the other hand, simply state that Obama may be one as well. Yet your post at 55 fails to point that out in your attempt to smear McCain.
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bikewoman,

17/07/2008 19:30:36
Horrible Cankers & Djookers have really made a mess of this thread today.
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Otis Boone,

Sacramento 17/07/2008 19:48:19
#36

Funny, except its spelled Watermelon.

Amazing how a Scot could make such a joke, given the fact, like a lot of black people, you eat pig intestines. You call it Haggis, we call it Chitlins (or Chitterlings).

Now if I said that there are few ex-pat Scots here because the wearing of kilts and berets on special days, while lauded in Europe, is considered a man in a skirt in the US and highly effeminate since many women wear the same outfit, I be considered narrow-minded.

Hopefully the majority of you Scots don't think like this fool does. If so, it explains why the drunken Irish were able to create a Republic and you guys became the pushovers of the United Kingdom - narrowmindedness.
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17/07/2008 19:49:06
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American,

17/07/2008 20:55:48
#62-carle-I agree that our choices are awful. One is a liberal, and the other is a closet liberal (although not as bad as the other guy). Gotta choose the lesser of the two evil. Also have to think about our future supreme court under these two fools. mccain will appoint (if position open) a "moderate" (liberal) and obama will appoint someone pro-sharia law. I'd hate to do it, but it would have to be mccain for me.
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Landman,

17/07/2008 21:03:26
#68 Horrible Cankers using my ID with a extra comma

Why can't you come up with your own name?
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Edward M. Kennedy,

17/07/2008 21:40:52
#70, we know HC is a troll, she is making an idiot of herself today copying names. Just ignore her and report her.
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Dougie, Edinburgh,

17/07/2008 21:56:43
Obama has much in common with David Duke. Both are tireless campaigners for their own ethnic groups. Both want to forward their own ethnic interests at the expense of other ethnic groups. Both have written books making their respective positions clear.
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17/07/2008 21:59:35
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Landman,

17/07/2008 22:18:07
#76 Troll

LOL, you have copied my name, added a comma and trolling me and expect others to believe a single word you have to say???? LOL
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TSW at the Cyber Shebeen,

17/07/2008 22:32:05
73 HC

Horrible Cankers, why are you calling me a stupid communist?
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Edward M. Kennedy,

17/07/2008 22:53:43
#7 Scullion,Canada

You should get your facts strait before trying to race bait! You are not even close with your numbers.

If you don't trust Wikipedia there are other sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kearny,_New_Jersey#Demographics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark%2C_NJ#Demographics



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indune1,

Canada 18/07/2008 00:26:04

I find it ironic that you would post with such a moniker.

Teddy Kennedy was true to form when it came to the Kennedy code and sense of honour.

Remember Chappaquidick?

BTW - FFS! Try and find another reliable source than Wikipedia.

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57Nomad,

california 18/07/2008 00:41:54
I once saw a poster on this site saying something to the effect that Americans were uninformed because we did not have "proper" reporters. What a laugh. Look at this from the article:

"To realise just how big a problem Obama's colour is, consider that if he were white, he would be a shoo-in for the presidency. The Bush administration is one of the most catastrophic in US history, with the president's popularity lower than any other White House incumbent since the Second World War."

This "reporter" has committed a journalistic mortal sin. The above quote is strictly editorial. It reflects absolutely nothing but his opinion and there is not a single factual word in the entire paragraph.

Chris Stephen is a joke. Here is a guy who writes things that are only real in his imagination. Obama would be a shoo-in? Bushs administration catastrophic? Neither one of these statements even closely resembles reality. Lets take statement number one. Obama would be a shoo-in. If Obama were white he would have never gotten the nomination in the first place. The only reason he got the nomination is BECAUSE he's black. Period.

Then the 'reporter' backed his claim by citing popularity polling. He said that because Bush had low ratings the Republicans didn't have a chance. What this bozo didn't tell you was this. The House of Representatives and the Senate are controlled by the Democrats. Their popularity rating is in the single digits. President Bush is THREE TIMES MORE POPULAR THAN THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!! So, based on Clack Kent's opinion, aka chris stephen, the Republicans are three times more likely to win any given race, including the presidency than the Democrats. Hey, don't give me any grief about that, it's the reporters opinion, not mine.

I seriously doubt that this Stephen fellow, if that really is his name, has ever set foot in the US. He might have made it to Canada but I doubt if he made it any farther. He seems to have little knowledge about how th
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57Nomad,

california 18/07/2008 00:44:28
#83 contd.
He seems to have little knowledge about how the American political system works, how did he ever get his job?

As far as catastrophic administrations go, catastrophic is more than a little bombastic. Not only that, it would be difficult to point to the catastrophes. If you want to talk about catastrophes then Jimmy Carter and Lyndon Baines Johnson are your presidents of choice. George Bush has performed stalwartly against the terrorist momentum that built up during the REALLY catastrophic administration of W.J. Clinton. We are safe and strong, thanks in large part to our President. Those who scoff and deride seek support for their views by resort to the opinion of the crowd. The crowd is fickle, just ask Hillary Clinton. This article is as misleading and inaccurate a piece of writing as I have ever seen. It's fantasy and fancy. Chris Stephen, at least that's what he calls himself, is worse than a joke, he's a liar.
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britfreee,

18/07/2008 01:32:59
Stupid FH trolls, thats why I went to the Herald.
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indune1,

Canada 18/07/2008 01:57:20

Great posts Nomad. Healeys still rule!
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Otis Boone,

Sacramento 18/07/2008 04:29:33
Nomad, I have to question your inclusion of Clinton as a catastrophic administration. A sustained economic expansion for his entire administration, welfare reform, significant reduction of the national debt, balancing of our national budget (ie. no deficits) by 1998, Various peace process successes (Oslo, 1993 treaty between Palestine and Israel, etc.), lowering taxes on the middle and lower classes in 1994's OBRA, etc.

I consider that period successful. In contrast, GWB had 3000 of us die on his watch, and he promised to find Osama dead or alive, but 7 years later, nothing. His tax cuts were promised to spur economic growth, but all it did was inflate the housing market to insane prices in a sellers market, where now millions are in foreclosure, bad enough to where several banks and hedge funds have collapsed (Bear Sterns, IndyMac, Countrywide Mortgage, etc), and the worst is yet to come.
Then there's a war whose rationale is suspect, and victory seems an impossibility. As a consequence, gas prices rose faster than at the end of the Clinton years, because Iraq shipments ceased. Not to mention the majority of Americans disapprove of him.

Sounds like a catastrophic failure to me.

BTW, without conclusive evidence, the idea that Bush protected the US from a terrorist attack since 2001, while could be true, could also be false, as Al Qaeda could have just not set anything in motion. Its similar to assuming a Navajo rain dance caused flooding in Missouri this year. Could be true, but without evidence, indicates a spurrious relationship. I personally am on the fence about whether Bush's security state did protect us for that reason.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 11:13:10
64# McCains' statement tha it is "fine" for him if we are in Iraq for 100 years, amongst many other pro war statements, would tend to suggest that he is, as I said, a warmonger.
84#-" If you want to talk about catastrophes then Jimmy Carter and Lyndon Baines Johnson are your presidents of choice."
Have you conveniently forgotten about the impeachment of Tricky Dicky Nixon ? Now that's a "catastrophe" !
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Rosie's Opinion,

USA 18/07/2008 11:32:07
88 A Clamper

How do you judge leaders? On how well the press likes them and how the press is willing to look the other way?
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 11:45:14
The press are in the business of selling newspapers.
Leaders should be judged by their words and deeds.