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Two days of delays leave Scottish giants humiliated



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Published Date: 08 October 2008
TICK, tock, dither, dither… Every minute without an announcement yesterday drained confidence out of Scotland's two leading banks.
What was left last night were barely functioning corpses now desperately in need of a massive transfusion, made all the bigger by government dithering.

Institutional investors, weary of another day of delay, gave up the ghost.

They dumped hug
e lines of RBS and HBOS shares on to the market, fearful that an overnight announcement might leave them this morning with a rump of equity so heavily diluted by government preference shares as to be almost worthless.

These were not hedge fund short-sellers or the vilified "spivs and speculators" but long-only institutional investors whose patience had finally run out. With the shares down more than 70 per cent since this crisis began, why, they reckoned, hang around for a total wipe-out along the lines of the nationalisations of Bradford & Bingley and Northern Rock?

It is one thing for Chancellor Alistair Darling to resist being rushed into a rescue of Britain's stricken banking system. But the long delay, between the flagging-up at the weekend of possible state-aided recapitalisation moves and the announcement from Downing Street last night of details to be made available this morning, can be measured in billions of pounds.

Said a banking source close to the talks last night: "To leave such a vacuum at this critical time was dangerously irresponsible."

Business and personal customers alike have been put through a wringer of anxiety. As the day wore on, customers could not help but see the plunging share prices as a proxy for the solvency of their banks – and a threat to their savings.

Particularly worrying for the banks is the effect on big business customers. Some, I understand, are already contemplating a switch to safer havens such as HSBC.

In two days, Scotland's two giant banks have been humiliated and their shareholders all but wiped out

I understand there was broad agreement across the leading banks of what needed to be done.

Balance sheets needed to be strengthened to cope with global conditions that have darkened in recent weeks.

So why the delay?

Now everyone is on a knife-edge anxiously awaiting the details. This is a plan that just cannot afford to fail.







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  • Last Updated: 08 October 2008 12:57 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

subrosa,

08/10/2008 01:16:35
This is plain incompetence for political reasons.

"I'll do anything to ensure Scotland stays in the union" or words to that effect - Gordon Brown.

This is part of his great plan to bankrupt Scotland.
2

The Answer,

Glasgow 08/10/2008 01:18:22
I'm sure "the obese one" has a cunning plan!
3

Bring it Off,

UK 08/10/2008 01:19:26
Labour to Implement 1983 Manifesto Pledges

It is a quarter century since Labour's Michael Foot signed manifesto was rejected by the British people.

“An unelected Prime Minister” GORDON BROWN NOT ELECTED BY ANY OF THE UK PUBLIC

is now going to impose some of those plans on the British economy. The socialist dreams so roundly rejected in 1983 sound eerily familiar:

... a National Investment Bank to put new resources from private institutions and from the government.... Exercise, through the Bank of England, much closer direct control over bank lending. Agreed development plans will be concluded with the banks and other financial institutions.

Create a public bank... set up a Securities Commission to regulate the institutions and markets of the City... Set up a tripartite investment monitoring agency to advise trustees and encourage improvements in investment practices and strategies...

We expect the major clearing banks to co operate with us fully on these reforms, in the national interest. However, should they fail to do so, we shall stand ready to take one or more of them into public ownership. This will not in any way affect the integrity of customers' deposits.

The National Economic Council of the people's plutocrats is straight out of that unreconstructed dirigiste mindset. This isn't going to work.

The big lie that we will hear this morning is that taxpayer's money will be "invested" and the government may even make a profit - like the Swedes did in the nineties. Except the Swedes didn't make a profit,

Swedish taxpayers lost billions. One bank out of over 114 Swedish banks refused the deal. SEB, Sweden's largest bank controlled by the Wallenberg family, arranged a private sector recapitalisation and returned to profitability within a year.

So could the UK banks. British taxpayers are going to get screwed like they have never been screwed before.
4

Bring it Off,

UK 08/10/2008 01:22:54
Darling emergency statement.

Britain now a banana republic - official

The Chancellor has delivered a short statement which only serves to emphasise how chaotic the government's handling of this crisis has become.

It amounted to: we're on the case, still quite a lot of details to work out, can you come back tomorrow please?

Before the markets open there will be a British banking bail-out of some kind. Let's hope it works.
But the handling of this today has been beyond appalling, in policy and presentational terms.

When it is all over, reputations will have been shredded, answers will be required and there will have to be a reckoning. Otherwise we will have become a banana republic.

The government is going to announce in the morning that we are a banana republic.

GORDON BROWN THE CHANCELLOR WHO ENCOURAGED BORROWING BEYOND YOUR MEANS FOR OVER 10 YEARS

FINANCIAL CRISIS = GORDON BROWN + LABOUR GOVERNMENT + IRAQ WAR.



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james 1st,

hamilton nz 08/10/2008 02:33:54
goood plan let the scottish banks flounder, only take action if an english bank looks to be going down.
what eklse would you expect from wetstminster
6

Eyesrolledindespair,

08/10/2008 02:51:44
"subrosa,08/10/2008 01:16:35
This is plain incompetence for political reasons.

"I'll do anything to ensure Scotland stays in the union" or words to that effect - Gordon Brown.

This is part of his great plan to bankrupt Scotland"

"james 1st,hamilton nz 08/10/2008 02:33:54
goood plan let the scottish banks flounder, only take action if an english bank looks to be going down.
what eklse would you expect from wetstminster"


Anything to save the Union? tinyurl.com/3kojy2
Beginning to look like it.
7

BIG EYE,

Paisley 08/10/2008 04:15:20
Is there a novice out there?

Anyone would be better than these two clapped out donkeys!

On a serious note, this is increasingly looking like intentional sabotage.Not the crisis just the solution!
8

TommyKaye,

UK 08/10/2008 05:19:34
The reality is of course is that the UK has been broke for years under BROWN and BLAIR the national DEBT spiralled out of control as has personal debt and BROWN knew this he knew this very well.

They always told us THE CITY was the financial capital and paid so much into UK plc in taxes and stamp duty well that aint gonna happen for many years again if ever so people of UK land you better get ready for 60%+ income tax very soon, no bin collections, no infrastructure improvements etc etc think of your worst case scenario and then look at BROWN and DARLING yes it will happen I am afraid...........
9

Finnzz,

Offshore 08/10/2008 06:41:16
Never mind we still have our gold.

No wait, Brown sold all that off for peanuts.
Competant my ar$e.

Private Eye has it right :-

Inflation + Stagnation = Stagflation

Brown + Darling = Drowning

10

Nevsky,

Moscow 08/10/2008 07:17:09
Brown and Darling are incapable of taking any lead whatsoever in this situation. Dithering has cost billions. If they had guaranteed savings last week this would probably not have happened!
11

Angleland Isover,

08/10/2008 07:23:26
Darien again and why not it worked then
12

Ugly George,

08/10/2008 07:52:45
10 Nevsski
"If they had guaranteed savings last week this would probably not have happened!"

Events do not support your argument. The share price of Irish banks who do have this "guarantee" have also taken a hammering. Bank if Ireland was trading at 4.80 Euros a few days ago before the Irish announcement and is now at 3.29

Also the Irish govt is now having to pay extra insurance costs against it defaulting on its bonds.
13

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 07:58:07
10 Nevski
PS : Meanwhile the share price of UK bank HSBC which does not have the guarantee has been stable and was actually up 2% yesterday. It appears that the markets are looking at each bank on an individual basis.
14

Edward,

08/10/2008 08:31:45
Brown and Darling dithered and has cost us billions!
They have also been back breifing the little twerp Robert Peston, who, though his gobbing off every timehe was on yesterday helped to undermine confidence in the Banks. It was curious how Robert Peston seemed to know well ahead of what was happening.
Reading comments on the FT's Alphaville forums the city boys are not that impressed by the BBC's boy wonder, with suggestions that he needs a good slap!
15

Edward,

08/10/2008 08:42:01
Its interesting that all the media have been hanging on the BBC's Robert Pestons words and publishing what ever he has been spouting, which mainly is what he is being given by Labour (if you listen to him, you begin to wonder if Labour can do no wrong!)Last night it was all about nationalising all the banks in the 'high street' about Darling bailing out the banks with tax payers money and of course whocould forget his remarks in the morning that he banks were asking for the government togive them money (which started the whole run yesterday). In reality the banks, at least not RBS, were NOT asking for capital, but were pressing for the Bank of England to inject liqudity into the market (subtle difference).
This morning Peston is back tracking and now defining that the government are offering capital upto £ 50 billion IF banks need it (with strings attached of course) AND offering to inject £ 200 billion liquidity into the market so that money can start to flow again.
Ironically RBS, wich is worth some one thousand Billion pounds, dont need he capital (something they were stating though out yesterday) but are pressing for the Bank of England to inject liquidity into the market , which there now is in place.
However it should be interesting to see which bank does ask for the capital, HBOS could be a front contender, but I also think Barclays could be a surprise.
16

Linda,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 09:14:57
Leaks from Darling to the BBC devastated HBOS shares at time of Lloyds TSB takeover offer and devasted all HBOS and RBS shareholders most of whom thought Bank shares were safe.
17

Doh,

08/10/2008 09:22:58


Okay we have the bail-out package that wil esnure the bankers get their massive salaries, bonuses and share options.

Now we need the debate on the future of bank ownership and regulation.

No more Tory policies of greed is good.
18

English Bob,

England 08/10/2008 09:26:59
Just think how much quicker an independent Scotland could have reacted? And wouldn't all that oil money come in useful?

You know what to do - vote SNP!

19

English Bob,

England 08/10/2008 09:27:37
Shetlands oil I mean...
20

gus1940,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 10:08:42
#1

I said it weeks ago when HBOS was scuppered and was told to up my medication.

Is it just a coincidenced that of all the leading UK banks the 2 most hard hit are the Scottish ones?

THere is no depth to which the hardline unionist establishment will not stoop to try to stop Scotland's long overdue march to independence.

21

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 08/10/2008 11:10:09
It ALL ultimately goes back to GeorgeBaby Bush and his government's years of arrogance and ignorance of sound financial principles.

Once he and his Cabinet of Numpties is out of office perhaps the world can begin to recover from the financial MESS that he and his co-conspirators have engendered for years and years.
22

Rob - Honest Toun,

08/10/2008 11:18:03
Scots word o the week - "swither v." = whit Broon an Darling daes when important decisions is needit.
English word o the week - "camel n." = the ootcome when a comatee sets oot tae design a horse.
23

Scythia,

08/10/2008 12:26:49
It was the UK/US that created the "credit crunch" in the first place. Loose Government policy allowed and even encouraged it. When the German Minister stated the problem was "Anglo-American" he was entirely correct. The housing market in Germany , France Belgium and Italy is not crashing, and their economies are not in recession. The Government are now borrowing money from abroad to bail out the irresponsible banks and to cover up their own failings.
24

Scotsman in Dublin,

08/10/2008 13:09:11
#6, I dont normally like conspiracy theories but I am beginning to wonder. The goverment were very quick to act over Northern Rock. The two big Scottish banks being based in Scotland would give an independant country some financial clout - its easy to see how leaving these banks in a crippled condition helps the unionist cause.

The problem with the current arrangement is that there is no motivation for Westminster with regard to Scotland when an opposition party is in power and when the same party is in power in both Westminster and Holyrood there is no point as Holyrood just toe the westminster line. Time for independence or at very least full devolution.
25

Marian,

08/10/2008 17:09:38
Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling are to blame for the loss of HBOS to Scotland by their failing to introduce measures against short selling and tighter FSA regulations on Hedge Funds after the Northern Rock shambles. The regulation of Banking and Investment Services in the UK is a shambles. The FSA is inept and despised and nobody in the City of London respects it. The Bank of England has been undermined deliberately by Gordon Brown because it was a threat to his authority. The FSA should change remit immediately to look after exclusively retail customer's interests and the Bank of England should keep an eye on the City and re-take control of the Debt Management Office. The Treasury and the Bank of England should swap staff regularly and be on friendly terms, with the Treasury executing minimal political influence through the Bank of England. The Bank of England is closer to the markets than the Treasury and so it should be to inspire confidence in the City of London.
26

yoric,

08/10/2008 22:25:01
HBOS is NOT a Scottish bank.

Half of it the H stands for Halifax, as in Halifax Building Society, the worlds largest, England.

There are to be no redundancies at the Bank of Scotland headquarters in Edinburgh, most of any cut backs will be at HBOS branches in England.

So stop whinning.

27

Brian Hill,

08/10/2008 22:36:40
Subrosa #1 I think you are right. It looks as if the UK Government has taken this right down to the line so that Scotland sees how dependent it is on London's largesse....ignoring completely of course that most of that 'largesse' came from decades of Scottish Oil and Gas taxes.

But Scots are getting more clued up about these kind of tactics and in this case, much of the Scottish establishment is quietly fuming at Westminster right now.

The Scotsman's Bill Jamieson has been quite forthright about this as have others. There is every chance that this is going to come right back and slap Labour very hard in the face in ways it can't begin to imagine.

 

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