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Hoy lost for words to pass on to football team



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Published Date: 28 August 2008
CHRIS Hoy said yesterday he was flattered by George Burley's suggestion that he might give a motivational speech to Scotland's football squad, but was not sure if he had anything useful to tell them.
The Edinburgh cyclist, who won three gold medals at the Beijing Olympic Games, modestly suggested that some of the coaching and technical staff might have something more relevant to impart to the national team.

"It's a huge honour," Hoy said when told of the comments made by Burley, the Scotland manager, earlier this week. "But it's kind of bizarre to think of yourself in that position, to think you've got anything else to offer. More than individual athletes, I think the way sports are being run, cycling being an example, (is what other sports could learn from].

"For me as an athlete, I've just been given the best opportunities and I'm very fortunate in that respect. Some other sports are not quite so well managed, and I think that reflects in their results. So I would say it's probably more the people that run our sport, (team director] Dave Brailsford and guys like that. They're the guys who really make things happen more than the athletes themselves.

"It's very flattering, but I don't know what I'd be able to offer in terms of advice. But even to be mentioned in terms like that is flattering."

Hoy was speaking at a reception in Edinburgh Castle for him and the other three Scottish Olympic medallists, Katherine Grainger, Ross Edgar and David Florence. As the most successful Scots Olympian ever he was the centre of attention, and admitted he had been stunned by the enthusiastic welcome he had received. "It feels crazy, mental. Such a warm reception. I've never experienced it in my life before. It's almost too much to take in, everything at once, coming from all angles. It's unbelievable, it really is.

"(I had] no idea at all. People were telling me stuff, that things were going crazy back home, but people are always using superlatives.

"They're always going to overemphasise stuff, so I thought 'yeah well, I'll go back and it'll be the same as it was after Athens or Sydney'. But it's a whole different level altogether. I've seen the newspaper articles and stuff since I've been back, and I've been quite blown away by it all, really."

The most visible celebration of Hoy's success is a giant poster on Lothian Road in the capital. Above a photo of the cyclist holding his bike above his head are the words "The king of Scotland". He said he had been told about it, but was still shocked when he actually saw it.

"I drove in last night from Manchester about half-past ten, and I just about drove into the car in front of me. Someone had told me about, and I'd forgotten it was there.

"Then I thought 'hang on a minute, I thought they said it was on the West Approach Road'.

"Then I saw it. It's huge."

His success could bring about a lot of offers to get involved in advertising campaigns, but he insisted he would have to weigh up any such offers carefully. "I still want to focus on my cycling, my training and all that, so it's a question of finding the time to fit opportunities around that. I wouldn't want to curtail my career for the sake of trying to make a quick bob, but at the same time it's trying to be sensible and set yourself up for when your career ends."

Edgar, who won silver behind Hoy in the keirin, summed up in a sentence what many Scottish spectators must have felt while watching the cycling in Beijing. "To be in the same era as Chris is amazing," he said.

Nottingham base is the only option for Florence

DAVID Florence has visited many countries in order to compete in the canoe slalom, but on his return to Scotland yesterday he explained that in an ideal world he would not be quite so well travelled.

Going to China was fine – the 26-year-old won a silver medal there. It is the need to go and live in Nottingham that Florence would rather was not there.

"I've no option but to live and train in Nottingham," he explained before joining his fellow-Scottish medallists on an open-topped-bus procession down the Royal Mile in Edinburgh.

"We have a slalom course in Perthshire, but it's a natural river, and our sport has moved towards artificial, so we have to be based there."

In fact all three British competitors in the canoe slalom were Scots – Fiona Pennie is from Alexandria, while Campbell Walsh was born in Glasgow but regards Bridge of Allan as home. And all three are based in Nottingham, as that is the site of the national canoe team.

Florence at least would be happy to represent a Scottish team and to be based at a Scottish venue, but he also said he felt at ease competing for Great Britain.

"I'd love to get a chance to compete for Scotland, but I'm happy to represent Team GB," he stated. "I'm sure I speak for all the athletes when I say I feel like I'm part of the British team, but I'm also representing Scotland."

Looking back to his event in Beijing, Florence said the real pressure had come before the start.

"The final run, to be honest, was the easy part. Before the start was the tough part.

"The run went well and when I got to the bottom, I felt the pressure was gone. After four years, I was just canoeing again. I just nodded to myself and thought 'fantastic'.

"China did an amazing job. The venue (for my event] was incredible. It's a lot to live up to for London in 2012."

Asked whether he planned to be there himself four years hence, Florence admitted he had not had time to think about such plans.

"The athletes have just got back to Britain. We aren't even thinking about London, but we keep getting asked about it, what we're going to do, and what we're hoping for.

"That shows just how amazing the response has been."

Grainger reckons her disappointment with third silver typifies an attitude shift in British sport

WHILE pride of place went to Team GB's gold medallists, in many respects it was Katherine Grainger, a silver medallist in rowing, who typified the change of attitude which brought such an improvement in Beijing.

The 32-year-old's evident disappointment at coming second for the third Olympic games was widely viewed as a positive sign of the changed mentality of British competitors, many of whom would once merely be happy to be competing. "I think that's good," Grainger said yesterday of that perception.

"It is slightly the changing face of British sport. For a while it was 'it's great just to be there, make up the numbers, turn up, woohoo!'.

"It's probably healthy that it's swung more to saying 'No, we're not just going to be there, we're going to be there and take the prize home.

"At the end of the day you're going to an event which someone will win.

"As British athletes we're now thinking we're going as the ones who will win. It's a huge step forward."

Having won in the quadruple sculls this year and in 2000, and in the pair in Athens, Grainger has maintained a remarkable level of consistency, and been around for long enough to understand why British results have improved. "Things like funding have made a big difference," she said.

"When I first came into international sport ten years ago, the people on the team didn't have any money, they were all in huge amounts of debt, and they all had to work in full-time jobs as well. That's how it was across most sports.

"The growing-up of Institutes of Sport across the country, funding coming in, these things have made everyone much more professional. And then the mentality changed. We've realised that we've got world-class support behind us, so now we need to deliver on the world-class stage.

"In Atlanta (the 1996 Olympics] we came back with one gold medal. Now there's a whole lot more. There's a feeling that winning is not just something that other countries do or that one or two of us do, that actually all of us should be aiming for and achieving.

"So the mentality changed, we brought in some of the really top coaches, and the athletes ourselves have changed in terms of what we're aiming for. And now we have a force that's the envy of quite a lot of countries around the world."

Grainger herself has yet to decide whether she wants to be part of that force up to London in 2012 and possibly beyond that to the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow two years later. "I've not made any commitment at the moment. I think by mid-October we have to have a chat with our team coach to say what our plans are.

"So I've got a few weeks where I can go and think about it, and I'll talk to people I'm very close to and the coach as well.

"I always said I wouldn't make any decisions until after Beijing. I didn't want to go there thinking, 'I've still got London to go' or 'this is my last race'.

"So it was always focus on Beijing and that was it. It's still only two days after Beijing, so it's not like I'm going to have (the required] clarity of thought now. Physically, technically and everything else it's entirely feasible that I carry on. The defining factor will be the mental side – that it's still the burning passion it needs to be to achieve what we're all trying to achieve.

"A home Games is a huge draw. It will transform the country for the better, and very few athletes get the chance to be in a home Olympics.

"I've talked to a few athletes who have retired, and they're dying to come back. So I'm not going to make any rushed decisions."


The full article contains 1714 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 27 August 2008 9:50 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: 2008 Olympics
 
1

qohldr,

28/08/2008 01:01:05
Congratulations one and all well done.
It is a crying shame that these poor athletes are having to defend their Scottish and British identities due to the petty comments of small minded politicians and the pathetic comments of the bigots who pollute these threads.
2

walter,

28/08/2008 01:59:11
I wouldn't want to curtail my career for the sake of trying to make a quick bob,

No need to, keep training and just sue every newspaper, tv and radio station in the country for broadcasting that lie about you saying Salmond idea of a Scottish team at the Olympics was ridiculous.
If you need witnesses then there are the half dozen or so nats who post under numerous pseudonyms on here who will volunteer.

3

Media 1,

cape town 28/08/2008 07:46:25
I agree with qohldr..

Having to defend ones Britishness is an outrage! The SNP have polluted the minds of so many people to the point that the fundamentalism within its ranks is now beginning to rear its ugly head in a manner that is destroying Scotland's good image the world over.

TEAM GB won the medals, not team Scotland! And thankfully Chris Hoy recognises his Britishness.

Perhaps he can assist Burley with a speech! "right lads on yer bikes, you aint gonna qualify"
4

Randan,

28/08/2008 08:52:50
#3 Nothing to do with the SNP, they are just saying what a large part of the population feel. It's happening as part of a healthy debate about our nation. I feel British last of all, Scottish most, despite having lived in the South of England for a couple of years.
5

Linda,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 08:55:04
Hoy is bound to be lost for words when Scotsman misquotes him.

Scotsman editor and headline writers should realise they are alienating 50% of their potential circulation.

Misquoting Chris Hoy as merely the latest attempt to attack the SNP and Scottish Government.

Even Daily Record had decency to quote Chris Hoy's comments The 32-year-old said: "I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous.

"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic
Games.

Didn't see any Union Jacks at the victory parade.
6

walter,

28/08/2008 09:51:24
From the Daily record.
Scotland's greatest Olympian has slated sports minister Stewart Maxwell as "ridiculous" for claiming we can go it alone.
On the issue of a Scottish Olympic team he said: "Before anything like that could be discussed you would have to look at the facilities and resources that are being put into sport in Scotland in the first place.
"At the moment you don't have an international facility for cycling, for example, or coaching structures or anything in place. So for him to think about calling for that at this stage is ridiculous."

From the Scotsman.
When he asked about those comments in Beijing yesterday, Hoy said: "Before anything like that could be discussed, he'd have to look at the facilities and resources in Scotland. At the moment, we don't have an international facility for cycling. We don't have the coaching or anything else in place.
"For him to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team. I'm a Scottish athlete in a British team, and I'm proud to be a British athlete.

Nearly every media outlet reported Hoy saying a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous including the daily record.
Why are the nats only accusing the Scotsman of misquoting Hoy.


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28/08/2008 10:01:23
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tatties n, neeps,

28/08/2008 10:15:05
%5 Linda a typical post trying to politicize and manipulate every thread for your own ends, with little mention of Chris Hoy and his triumphal return to Edinburgh,"whether there were any union jacks in the parade" so what this is a sports thread. well done Chris Hoy and Edinburgh for the great turnout.I look forward to an independant Scotland with its own olympic team one day , but i tell you posts like these make me feel ill.
9

HughB,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 10:25:18
I notice the Scotsman has suspended comments on the main story, because they have been caught out big time.

You were bold enough to put the big untruth about Chris Hoy on the front page of the Scotsman a few days ago.

WHY NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO PUT A FRONT PAGE APOLOGY TO CHRIS FOR MANIPULATING HIS WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT?

Eh, Scotsman, come on, we are all waiting!!!
10

Gogsy,

Scotland 28/08/2008 10:28:00
#3 Media 1 seems concerned about the SNP 'destroying Scotland's good image the world over'. This is plain nonsense. As far as the rest of the world is concerned Scotland either doesn't have an image or it doesn't even exist! I would argue that most people around the world equate Great Britain with England. It's only the self-deluded Unionists who think otherwise. The SNP are merely trying to convince people of the merits of Scotland becoming a normal country - ie completely self-governing. Until that day comes Scotland will remain anonymous on the world stage.
11

walter,

28/08/2008 10:46:03
Can some one please tell me in what way this paper misquoted what Hoy said.
12

HughB,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 10:46:37
The main Chris Hoy story that is.

As for the main story on the front page today, I would rather have some world class sporting facility rather than a couple of old paintings for £100 million.

Let's not waste another £100 million, on top of the £600 million for the trams.

Let's put this £100 million to work for Scotland.

Come on - you know it makes sense.
13

Yeah1,

28/08/2008 11:12:03
#5 Linda

"Hoy is bound to be lost for words when Scotsman misquotes him."

The Scotsman didn't misquote Hoy - they used his exact quotes, they just 'spun' them.

"Even Daily Record had decency to quote Chris Hoy's comments 'If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games.'"

The Daily Record used exactly the same 'ridiculous' quote as the Scotsman, namely:

"For him to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team. I'm a Scottish athlete in a British team, and I'm proud to be a British athlete."

If you believe the other quotes from the Record I assume you also believe the above quote too?
14

Lochinvar,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 11:13:10
I was really looking forward to cheering the athletes on their return....what a pity some selfish/short sighted councillors (did they organise it?) decided to put the parade on during the day when most people were working/at school. I'm sure the idiots at cooncil HQ were allowed time off. Think about it you idiots!!
15

Yeah1,

28/08/2008 11:15:33
#6

"Nearly every media outlet reported Hoy saying a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous including the daily record."

Exactly - the nationalists seem perfectly happy to believe the Daily Record quotes attributed to Chris Hoy in yesterday's Record, but they refuse to believe the 'ridiculous' quote which was also attributed to him in the Record.

How can they pick and choose which quotes they want to believe from the same source?
16

kimba,

28/08/2008 12:16:37
The nats are like petulant children,if they can't get their own way,a major tantrum follows!
17

Media 1,

cape town 28/08/2008 12:17:30
Gogsy

Scotland is not the little nothing state you make her out to be. That is SNP indoctrination!

Scotlans is a famous nation and part of a tremendous union.
18

Yeah1,

28/08/2008 12:44:01
#17

"Scotland is not the little nothing state you make her out to be. That is SNP indoctrination!

Scotland is a famous nation and part of a tremendous union."

Exactly.

Why when publicising events such as 'Scotland Week' or 'Homecoming Scotland' do the Scottish Government talk about Scotland being known worldwide and Scottish traditions being famous all over the world, if Scotland is 'anonymous on the world stage'?
19

Gogsy,

28/08/2008 13:17:46
#17 Media1

"Scotland is not the little nothing state you make her out to be. That is SNP indoctrination!"

Scotland is not a state - she has no independent voice or representation at the EU, UN or even dare I say it, the Olympic games. That's a fact, not SNP indoctrination. I find it very sad indeed that people in this country are happy to hang on to the coat-tails of a larger neighbour, believing that Scotland, uniquely in the world, cannot run her own affairs. That is Unionist indoctrination.




20

kimba,

28/08/2008 13:58:14
19. Neither does any other part of the "UNION" that is what being in the union is all about,we speak with one voice!
21

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/08/2008 14:07:01
#3 Media 1

"The SNP have polluted the minds of so many people to the point that the fundamentalism within its ranks is now beginning to rear its ugly head in a manner that is DESTROYING SCOTLAND'S GOOD IMAGE THE WORLD OVER" [My capitals]

Any evidence of this please?
22

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/08/2008 14:09:21
#11 walter

The headline was a mis-quote by omission.
23

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 17:06:11
Scotland has a great image in the world and that is due solely to the people of Scotland, not to any ridiculous union that has damaged and pillaged Scotland for over 300 years. The union is a political union and a political union only. We are NOT 1 nation, never have been and never will be! it is only idiots that believe we are.
24

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 17:07:46
Anyway, stupid idea dragging Hoy in to speak to the football team, what can he tell them about winning fitba matches? just as much as they can tell him about cycling.
Ridiculous media clamour as usual. Oh and by the way there was NO WAY there were 50,000 on the streets yesterday!
25

Andrew Allan,

28/08/2008 17:33:03
For me the footage on our televisions spoke volumes on Scotland’s heroic sportsmen and women, there may have been a small number of union flags waving, but that number were hugely dwarfed by the spectacular number of Saltires, and that is after what was supposed to of been said in the papers. It was obvious which came first to the people out in the streets, and that was Scotland first.
26

walter,

28/08/2008 17:37:01
#22
What are you talking about, headlines are designed to grab the readers attention.
The article is where you will read quotes that are made on the subject.
This paper did not misquote Hoy at all, they reported in the article what he said the same as papers and other media outlets up and down the country.
To say that he was misquoted because the headline did not carry the quote is 'ridiculous'.
27

walter,

28/08/2008 17:47:17
#25
Well of coarse there where more Saltires than Union flags.
This parade was to celebrate the achievements of those Scots who participated in the Olympics as part of team GB only not the British athletes.
28

kimba,

28/08/2008 18:52:41
Hoy did a first class job in Beijing,and the WHOLE British nation should be proud of him and all our athletes,but the fact of the matter is, if it were not for british money from the lottery etc, all our athletes would be "stuffed".
29

kimba,

28/08/2008 18:54:08
23. Stop talking out of your a-se,GOMPER!
30

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/08/2008 19:48:07
The comment should have been that it would be ridiculous at this time. Perhaps he could speak to the British Olympic football team in 2012.

Would that not be more apt.

As for the comments of the cyberbrits, enjoy your wee wet pants moments as they will be forgotten as soon as the world (as opposed to your wee bubble)turns its attention back to football.
31

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/08/2008 19:51:18
And (re 30) Scotland represents Scotland at football.
32

Survivor Of Riots,

28/08/2008 20:29:54
So, we've entered into a debate over nationhood cos a guy on a bike sung GSTQ??

Lets be honest, if we spent tax payers money on a Velodrome thingy, who would show up to watch guys go round it on a bike??

So whilst Hoy Boy is stating that we are not fit for purpose due to lack of said Velodrome, we are debating that we are not fit for purpose as a nation cos we can't provide one which no one wants anyhoo.

The Tour De France....now theres a proper bike race!!
33

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/08/2008 20:47:26
So they don't use natural rivers anymore for canoe slaloms. Wonder why natural rivers are not good enough any more? What next?

The Olympics is a commercialised circus. A 4 year event highlighting summer & other minority sports gone ott.
34

Laird Drambeg,

Andover 28/08/2008 21:00:53
Does every sports/Hoy thread here have to hijacked by off-topic separatist drivel? It seems to me that Hoy is an honest man who knows the facts better than any of the zealots who want to support a dysfunctional govt. which has the largest bureaucratic bill per capita in Europe - IOW get the house in order before even thinking about "independence". Oh, and think about how long The Hoy Velodrome, in Glasgow, will last before it's left to fester into malignant neglect... and the local council wants to "reassign" it to uhh, land development... just like Meadowbank.

As for the real topic here, I agree with Mr. Hoy: what is he going to tell Mr. Burley and his team other than what he's already said about Team GB's cycling program? I.e. get professional, competent management and reward and keep those team members who are talented, committed, work hard & are successful.

Oh, and congrats to Hoy and the entire Team GB; here in the USA I had to watch the cycling on the Internet for obvious reasons but the track cycling team's performance was breathtaking, especially the Keirin final - unbelievable.

Finally, a thought for Jason MacIntyre and his family. I wonder if he would have been a team member and how well he would have done but nevertheless, a tragic loss of a great talent who had the right attitude to win. It's something we'll never know of course but his fate is one of the reasons that cycling is not seen as a potential sports career by many parents for their children - just something to think about.
35

fergiewergie,

28/08/2008 21:29:47
He could quite easily compete for Scotland (if that option was there) and train at the facilities in England.

Many South American footballers play in Europe and still represent their country, many professional cyclists live in France/Spain yet they don't come from those countries.

Only in the UK would they kick someone out of the team if they don't live in the UK. Classic example being long jumper Fiona May who went to live in Italy as she married some Italian dude and then ends up winning the gold medal at the World Championships for Italy.
36

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/08/2008 21:36:05
Always someone coming on here telling people not to get political and starting off with a comment about separatist drivel. Just think of the extra medals if the Andover had gone right on the relay.

Just think - the olympics was yesterday's news. It comes around every 4 years and the GB media gets as excited about it as it does whenever Wimbledon does.

Oh, how jolly.
37

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 21:57:22
To think that Scotland couldn't produce it's own olympic team is a typically unionist and ridiculous yet very unsurprising attitude.
Should our home grown athletes be given the opportunity to compete at the highest level for SCOTLAND then the facilities would have to be provided and for a Scottish olympic team there would be so many more places at the olympics for our athletes than they get now, where is the sense in depriving athletes that? it's a win win situation for ALL the nations in "team gb" by sheer number of places alone.
The way things stand facilities on the whole are geared towards the south.. 10:1 ratio, nae wonder...that is not a reason to suggest that "we cannae dae it", that is just defeatest and pathetic, something Scotland has never been.
Quit going on about "britishness" and gb as though it's some great wonderful institution, it's outdated, damaging and embarrassing.

 

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