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Published Date: 24 September 2008
SERIOUS concerns about the financial outlook at Hearts are growing after it became clear all the club's staff would now have to wait until Friday to be paid overdue wages.
Players are still waiting for the week's wages which should have been paid into their bank accounts last Friday. Now backroom staff at the Tynecastle club – who, unlike the players, are paid on a monthly basis – have been told they must also wait until the end of the week to receive their wages. These were due to be paid today, but anxious staff learned yesterday this would not be the case.

It is the players' situation which first led to suggestions of financial difficulties at the club. Hearts defeated Inverness 1-0 on Saturday after it emerged players had not been paid.

In a short statement released last night the club promised to resolve the situation by paying both last week's and this week's wages into the players' accounts at the end of the week.

"The club will pay the players' wages for last week in full at the end of this week," read the statement. "They will be paid with the current week's wages on Friday." The news is a departure from a club spokesman's assurance over the weekend that the players would receive their outstanding money "early this week". He said a "technical hitch" had been to blame for the delay. "The funds are there, they have just not been processed yet," he added.

No reason for the new delay was provided in yesterday's statement, nor was there any indication of what the 'technicality' was. Fraser Wishart, chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association Scotland, spoke to Campbell Ogilvie yesterday and reported that the Hearts managing director is confident the monies would be paid on Friday. "Hearts have assured the players that they are getting paid and that's the end of it for the moment," said Wishart.

There is, though, an atmosphere of uncertainly in Gorgie. Director Sergejus Fedotovas was in Edinburgh yesterday in an attempt to ease the unrest which has grown among employees.

Wishart was standing by yesterday as speculation grew about the financial situation at the club. The backdrop of global economic uncertainty has not helped ease fears about the club's future. It is unclear whether UBIG, the banking group in which Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov has a controlling interest, has been hit hard in the present climate. It was reported last month that Romanov's bid to open an Edinburgh branch of his bank Ukio Bankas had been stalled by the credit crunch.

Hearts' last accounts disclosed net debt of £36.25 million. July's approval of a debt-for-equity conversion will reduce the figure by £12 million. However, the club remains exposed to risk amid the present turmoil in the international markets and the onset of a global banking crisis.

Wishart was able to speak with Ogilvie yesterday afternoon and said he had been encouraged by what the Tynecastle managing director had to say.

"I have been told there was an issue with getting money transferred from Lithuania." said Wishart. "Campbell was quite happy with the situation, and he assured us the players would be paid. We are happy to hear the players will be paid on Friday. This is good news, especially for the younger players, who don't earn as much money."

However, no-one is taking anything for granted until the money appears in employees' bank accounts on Friday. If this does not happen, the club will have a crisis on its hands.

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  • Last Updated: 24 September 2008 12:14 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

the beast,

London 24/09/2008 00:03:30
By ALAN PATTULLO
SERIOUS concerns about the financial outlook at Hearts are growing after it became clear all the club's staff would now have to wait until Friday to be paid overdue wages.
SERIOUS concerns about the financial outlook at Hearts are growing after it became clear all the club's staff would now have to wait until Friday to be paid overdue wages.
So Good they had to say it twice?
Has the record bought the Scotsman?
How desperate are they for a story?
No doubt the usual clowns will explain all!!
2

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 24/09/2008 00:12:38
#1 i have no axe to grind..and my feelings about journalists are clear..however to suggest a top svcottish club not paying their staff isnt newsworthy is rather unfair..
3

Not another Walter Galbraith!,

north perth 24/09/2008 00:17:48
There is a Leith entrepreneur that specailizes in assisting clubs in this predicament.
4

neil7908,

24/09/2008 00:38:10
Any hearts fan who now comes out and says that this is a non story is clearly just being ridiculous, the fact that the players wages will be paid a week late is clearly a major story and although im not suggesting that they will go out of business, any decent football fan will see that this is a big issue.
5

taIk o' the toun,

24/09/2008 00:39:16
We have certainly been lied to.

Technical glitch this certainly is not.

I'm getting stories that we had an arrangement of a £3m overdraft with HBOS. After we changed bankers to UKIO, this was reduced to £100,000. They acted as our clearing bank for transfers from UKIO. This £100k limit was breeched last week and HBOS, not surprisingly given their situation last week, would not budge on an increase.

Sergi can bang heads together all he wants, but what is needed is cold hard cash. Wonder if he brought a suitcase of litas with him?
6

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 24/09/2008 00:41:26
it wont be long until rangers troubles are as cruelly exposed...
7

neil7908,

24/09/2008 00:41:40
1# explain then how a "technical hitch" has resulted in the payment being delayed by a week? If this was this case and the playeres and staff had been paid on monday/tuesday then the issue would be dead now, but why will it take till friday for this hitch to be resolved?
8

taIk o' the toun,

24/09/2008 00:44:54

It should also be noted that our DfE swap was because we had reached our £40m debt limit. On the official site it stated that we were reducing our debt by £12m, which they said was 30% of our debt.

Simple arithmetic tells me that if 30% of our debt is £12m, then 100% is £40m.

That was at the end of July.

Less than 2 months later we don't have enough cash to pay our players, and now it seems our backroom staff. It's these folk I feel sorry for.
9

neil7908,

24/09/2008 00:48:03
Any claims of media bias from jambos fans should refer :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/7632254.stm

The comment of "contradictory reports emanating from Tynecastle" really says a lot about what is happening here.
10

jerrymanders,

24/09/2008 00:48:24
#4

......any decent football fan will see that this is a big issue."

The Big Issue will be on sale pretty soon methinks!
11

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/09/2008 00:51:07
Mad Vlad's bank shares are in the tank on the Baltic Stock Exchange (whatever the fvck that is) Down 35% in a month. Took another hammering on Tuesday.
The vulture's are circling. And there's no Lloyd's Bank/US Congress to the rescue where he comes from.
Looks like Jambos in a serious jam.
12

Richardinho,

24/09/2008 01:08:25
I've always said that Hearts were a bunch of amateurs. Now it's literally true!
13

Richardinho,

24/09/2008 01:10:18
I suspect Vlad is gambling on rise in the stock market following the latest US government intervention to save his skin.
14

EdinburghDerby Com,

nearby 24/09/2008 01:12:03
A non-story, a clerical error has been made and hearts are going bust...not! Funny how this kind of thing always seems to crop up when we are near the top of the league or are going to a United game!
15

neil7908,

24/09/2008 01:19:18
15# Please read the BBC article and then you will see how this IS a story, written by a well respected and independent news organization. I dont see hearts going out of business in the near future but this is clearly a good story and says a lot about the running of the club. Once again, why has it taken a week to fix a technical hitch? Hearts themselves said the players would be paid early this week so why is it being delayed till friday with no real explanation?
16

Richardinho,

24/09/2008 01:19:23
The deluded jambos will probably still be telling us how great Vlad is when Tynecastle is being transformed into a car park.
17

Not another Walter Galbraith!,

north perth 24/09/2008 01:36:18
AH TELT YE!
18

Harlem Tam,

24/09/2008 01:53:23
#15 - EdinburghDerby says: "A non-story, a clerical error has been made and hearts are going bust...not! Funny how this kind of thing always seems to crop up when we are near the top of the league or are going to a United game!"

So beecause Hearts are third in the SPL, the Scottish Media is persecuting them by reporting this story?

You really are a deluded fool.

A clerical error? What sort of business would allow a clerical error to delay staff wages for a whole week?

I was on here yesterday suggesting that this was a serious situation for Hearts and expressed sympathy for the Jambo fans. When I read paranoid bullsh!t like the above, my sympathy goes straight out the window.

You Jambos deserve all you get.
19

r1niceboy,

yankeeland 24/09/2008 01:53:38
I'm thinking that HBOS has tightened to something approaching duck-like, and is likely to waiting for some kind of audit on assets or loans on funds being offered by UBIG. before they'd have just signed and said what's next, but Lloyds TSB have probably got the toothcombs out.

What worries me is that UBIG aren't immediately wiring funds over.
20

taIk o' the toun,

24/09/2008 02:00:11
FEARS for the future of debt-ridden Hearts grew as staff learned wages will NOT be paid today.

Alarmed backroom staff and admin workers were left in a state of panic as they learned monthly salaries had not reached their bank accounts.

But Jambos bosses insisted the cash would be paid by the end of the week, claiming employees were “relaxed and happy” about the situation.

News of the latest cash blow came days after it was revealed the players’ weekly pay had also failed to show up.

And it sparked fears of a financial meltdown at Tynecastle, where the last audited accounts showed a whopping debt of £36.25million.

Neither owner Vladimir Romanov nor his son Roman, the club’s chairman, was willing to make any comment.

And it was left to director Sergejus Fedotovas to fly in from Lithuania and attempt to allay the fears of anxious staff at a hastily-arranged meeting at the stadium.

He claimed an administrative cóck-up had caused the delay — with the cash going into the wrong account.

But that was eerily close to the explanation given to players last Friday, that a technical glitch had been behind non-payment of their wages.

However, Fedotovas insisted staff and players would all be paid in full on Friday.

A club insider said: “It is worrying, but we have been assured that the money will be in our accounts by the end of the week. We have to wait and hope that is the case.”

An official statement later stated the players would receive money owed before Saturday’s trip to Dundee United. A spokesman then said that staff, some of whom had been in tears at the news they would not be paid, were relaxed at developments.

He said: “Staff will now all be paid in full on Friday.

“They were told about this resolution this afternoon and, while there had been some concern over the uncertainty, they are now relaxed and happy with the situation.

“Staff are paid monthly and this means payment will only be a few days behind, so it shouldn’t cause a
21

taIk o' the toun,

24/09/2008 02:00:54
“Staff are paid monthly and this means payment will only be a few days behind, so it shouldn’t cause any of our staff a serious problem.”

PFA Scotland chief Fraser Wishart said: “We have been assured the players’ wages will be paid by the end of the week. For the moment, we are comfortable with that.”
22

Rancho Relaxo,

24/09/2008 02:05:58
I can transfer money from my Aussie bank to my UK bank in less than 24 hours. Given that he owns the bank, surely Vlad could have access to a similar level of service. Not paying people their wages for up to a week after they are due quite clearly indicates that there is something seriously wrong.
23

Harlem Tam,

24/09/2008 02:24:14
I have been in a situation - ironically in the Edinburgh financial district - where staff were told in advance that salaries due the next day would be delayed by 24 hours due to a glitch in the computer Payroll software system. The salaries were indeed in the banks the following day, and in some cases, that night.

The point is, it was regarded by the employer as an extremely high priority issue. In any industry, the non-payment of wages and salaries is treated as a major issue by employers and any technical hitch is either resolved instantly or a contingency plan is brought into play.

Hearts are quite simply lying through their teeth in insisting that this is down to technical/clerical problems.

THAT is the big worry here.
24

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/09/2008 03:19:56
Like HBOS how much of this Sh!t is linked to slimy Brown. Wait for Liebore to ride to Vlad's rescue with some "bridge" financing from Lloyds.
You read it here first.
25

Brendan the Scozzie,

...at the Teller counter... 24/09/2008 03:26:49
What you've gotto remember - including that clown Pattullo is that UBIG are NOT a BANK!!!
They are a private investment company. Just like all the others that are struggling to pay their way.
The income from Hearts on a weekly basis will not cover their outgoings and interest to UBIG.
That makes them a non performing loan and a problem for UBIG - see the S&P report above.
UBIG list the fitba team and the stadium as two separate enterprises.
If UBIG can't fund HOM Pty Ltd and it can't fund itself then its in trouble.
The loan players will depart first back to their home clubs.
26

CALEDONIACO,

The Emerald City 24/09/2008 03:39:14
We really have to get our a$$es down south away from all this $h!t, we're dealing with a bunch of amateurs or part time amateurs who every now and again get a result of of us.

The question is will they let us go down there on our own as the other side of Glasgow would be lucky to organize a friendly with an English team after their last visit, it's all doom and gloom.

Question to the Hearts fans if and it's a big if the proverbial does hit the fan is there anyone who can come in and save your club, serious question the first two paragraphs are just frustration as another premier side could quite possible go into receivership.
27

Daillyman,

24/09/2008 03:41:16
I wonder if the Kanaus players were paid? Mad Vlad other team.
28

Daillyman,

24/09/2008 03:54:34
Should the worst happen to HMFC the SFA and SPL have a lot to answer to.

Livingston went the administration way, Gretna folded, Motherwell, Dundee all have had major financial problems after changes in ownership.

New owners should be screened more vigorously, they should have to post a major bond that would carry a team through a season should the owner file for administration.

I asked this question before to HMFC supporters without getting an answer.

How much money did Romanov turn over for control of HMFC, can never seem to get an answer.
29

Jon Bon Jovi,

24/09/2008 04:02:43

well vlad has steered a submarine so surely he should be able to steer hearts out of any trouble??

nah, no chance... most non-yam fans thought hearts would go out of business at some point but few saw the credit crisis (including Vlad) and unfortunately it's happening sooner rather than later!!!!
30

TangerineDreamer,

OF Free zone 24/09/2008 05:06:24
If there was a straightforward explanation we would have been given that straighforward explantion.

Oligive says the cash will be paid on Friday becuase his masters have told him so, but that counts for squat didly.

Did the journalist bother to ask whether the players would be turning up on Saturday if they were not paid?

31

Pilrig,

Livingston 24/09/2008 06:14:15
tic-roc...tic-toc...
32

Pilrig,

Livingston 24/09/2008 06:16:09
It's all a bad dream, we'll all wake up to find herz have won the Champions League as promised by Vlad : )
33

Pilrig,

Livingston 24/09/2008 06:18:40
And the yams will be celebrating in the 5 star hotel in McLeod Street......
34

Realistic Jambo,

Penicuik 24/09/2008 06:19:03
TOTT, most real football supporters have came on here warning about the dangers facing us over the last couple of years, and all the majority of Jambo's could see was "jealous Hobo, peg selling, caravan dwelling junkies with a degree in Hobonomics who have never seen their team win a Scottish Cup". We have alianated ourselves from the rest of Scottish football because of our "big team" mentallity. We are on our own, don't expect any sympathy from anyone!
35

Realistic Jambo,

Penicuik 24/09/2008 06:53:37
TOTT. The point I.m making is that the majority of non Hearts posters are coming on here to have a dig at Hearts and laugh at our current predicament because of the way they were treated by those Jambo's who's heads were stuck in the sand and didn't want to believe how deep in the S4!t we really were. It's payback time for them. I wonder if the usual suspects will be on telling us it's a non story by a hobo journalist and there is nothing to worry about because thats the way " big business works".
36

Paranoid John from Midlothian,

24/09/2008 07:27:03
A non story...happened to me once...money paid Friday...gub Utd Saturday...end of...find something worthwhile to write about.
37

WALTER SMITHS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY #1....,

GB/UK/WORLDWIDE 24/09/2008 07:32:28
Sad day for the shambos but they deserve all they get for sitting by doing nothing while Vlad fed them BS like we're going to win the CL.

That should have given them a clue that the man is a bam.

What's all this cr'p about a credit crunch anyway?
How many of you have had to take a drop in wages recently because of it?
How many of you have suddenly found that everything costs twice as much now?

It's a pile of mince, a handy little catchphrase that covers up the fact that the whole world operates in la-la land.
How can a company suddenly be worth half what it was the day before?
How can 20million be wiped off the value of a bank?

My wages have stayed the same and my dealer's prices haven't changed for 4 years.
A 6 pack costs the same as last week and my rent hasn't gone up for 2 years.

I'm alright Jack and I couldn't care less about the shambos.
They should however be vey afraid.
38

Addie,

24/09/2008 07:38:22
BLT - if - and IF - Hearts went into administration it would take longer than a month for the club to fold. If you are going to comment on big boy issues get your facts right.
39

Addie,

24/09/2008 07:42:29
#65 More than a month thats for sure BLT.
40

Addie,

24/09/2008 07:42:58
(That was bang on a minute btw)
41

Addie,

24/09/2008 07:43:30
#65 Oxygen thief BTO....
42

Munter,

Musselburgh 24/09/2008 07:46:16
"Funny how this kind of thing always seems to crop up when we are near the top of the league or are going to a United game!"
Youse have become a bunch of deluded fools.
Your club looks to be in serious bother because it's owned by a demented lunatic and it's all a conspiracy by the Scottish media ??
Jeez.
43

hibbydoug,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 07:54:44
I asked yesterday where all the season ticket money has gone and no one could give me an answer...maybe it's all gone to Lithland.
44

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 07:55:56
This is such a small matter the players have just had a delay in wages being paid! The first time it has happened & the media have called it a crisis only because there is nothing else to write about!!

We will soon see on friday if they lads get there wages & if not then I will be worried. In the mean time all you bunch of story tellers go & get your own teams house in order.
45

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 07:57:02
71#

What the hell is your point about season ticket sales not sure what you mean
46

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:00:44
74#
Mr Fuddy Duddy! what do I not get come on teh Hearts FC know it all!
47

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:05:19
Bring Them On#

You honestly dont have a clue! I read these articles every day on the hearts bit & you always seem to pop up & latch on to any & every story about hearts. Surley in the name of god you would prefer to comment on your on scumbag team!
48

Impartial,

Perth 24/09/2008 08:05:27
The responsibility for this mess, which could be spotted some time ago, lies squarely on the shoulders of Robinson and Deans. It was they who brought these people to Tynecastle, not because it was good for Hearts but to finally sell shares, no one here would buy. This after Dunfermline, Dundee United, Dundee and several English clubs had declined to deal with Romanov and his pals. Non payment of staff wages is the ultimate default, there will be a long list behind the staff. Good luck to Hearts (as opposed to the owners) the staff and supporters.
49

Addie,

24/09/2008 08:05:48
#74 As Im busy at work right now I will keep this nice and simple for you BLT since you are a simple lad...

Its a technical problem which means that Hearts can not pay their players on time. Therefore they have stated the wages will be paid on Friday. If Hearts do not pay their players on Friday then by all means you can have a wee gloat and then talk about all the doom and gloom economics and business finance and lecture us on your 'supreme' wisodom on this matter.

Until that dark and very unlikely day arrives, off you go and play with your toys in the motorway.
50

Addie,

24/09/2008 08:06:41
#74 And who uses insults like 'Mr Marshmallow Brian' anyway? What a tool!!!
51

rl250 hfc,

24/09/2008 08:06:57
To all the Jambos who still beLIEve

Re-arrange this sentence-

DROPPED HAS YET THE PENNY NOT !
52

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:10:00
77#

Just before you say anything else have a look at the hearts website & look at the official statement!

I will expect you to join us on Friday afternoon to eat your humble pie along with the rest of the shower of C**P that comes on here.
53

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:11:17
To all the hibees that still think they will win the scottish cup!!

KEEP DREAMING!!!
54

Butch,

Canada 24/09/2008 08:11:56
Does not look good for Hearts right now. Kind of sad really, seeing as they are looked upon as one of the big clubs in Scotland.

Looks like it is heading towards a Gretna kind of scenario, hope not, but you never know.
55

Phil MaGlass,

Holland 24/09/2008 08:15:41
Last one oot remember tae pit the lights oot,mind you theres nae cash for the electricity so it might be cut off before then,enjoy yir derbies with Spartans,

BYE BYE JAMBOS,
BIG CLUB, BIG DEBT, tee hee hee
56

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:16:19
83#

Sorry I must have got you all wrong wee man You know an awfull lot about my club are you sure your not erm converting to the JT's
57

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:16:56
Shameless scaremongering by the Scotsman. BBC Scotland were at it last night in their report. The desk anchor asked if this was another Gretna situation and suggested it could be - the reporter on the site said it was nothing like that and nowhere near that as all staff had just attended a meeting at which they were informed when they would be paid. The Scotsman does this deliberately as Hearts don't talk to them or release news through them (ie no more scoops) so they have to manufacture their own stories. The BBC site for example simply says staff will be paid on Friday. So all the idiots on here predicting administration for Hearts (again) have a little while longer to wait.
58

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:18:42
85#

You know as well as I do that hearts would never fall like Gretna!

Hearts are a massive club & very important to Scotland. Also there would be a long line of people that would buy hearts of romanov so sorry to spoil your party keep dreaming
59

Mooncat,

Sweden 24/09/2008 08:21:31
What is the absolute worst scenario that can happen to Hearts here? The apocalyptic scenario?? If they got taken into receivership etc... what would happen?

www.fitbaw365.com
60

John H,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:22:22
Hearts were playing at the pink bus shelter on Saturday. There must have been some income generated then. Seems like all the monies are transferred to Lithuania then drip fed back when required.Are Hearts now Hearts in name only? It certainly looks like it.
61

Braes of Glenmiller,

24/09/2008 08:29:20
The nonsense that BTO talks, and all night. Haven't you got a job to go to?

What is this "negative" bank rating? I have worked in the financial/IT industry for over 20 years and nobody has ever had a negative rating. Who isssued this negative rating? Certainly not S&P. Nope, the only negative thing is BTO himself, attention seeking.

Your comments are just some made up pseudo nonsense to cover your complete lack of knowledge or expertise in banking and the corporate affairs for financial organisations.

Now, as to the Hearts. I think there is cause for concern about the solvency of the parent banking group right now and this might reflect back on to the club.

If we go bust we go bust. The replacement company/football club will have to start again in a lower league and build up to attaining SPL status. At least it would be without the current executive, and we might have a genuine peoples football club back.

So boom, wages paid, 3rd in the SPL, or bust, start again lower in the league with a diferent ownership structure the future for Hearts is always bright because so many of us support the club and not the people who are the current custodians of it.

What's the problem? A few disgruntled Rioters and Hobos would lose out on their daily verbal diahorrea outbreak in the Hearts threads, but the future is bright, and MR BTO, it isn't orange.
62

hibbydoug,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:29:48
# 88 Hearts had a massive 12,000 on Saturday, my point about the season ticket money was that we are in week six of the season when most clubs are living off the payments they have received. Other clubs have to use an overdraft facility later in the season say about March which sees them through until the next renewals...we are in September and you are skint. Maybe everyone will be paid on Friday but what about the Friday after that?, As for being a very important club for Scotland i think you will find that most of Scotland find your delusions of grandeur a good reason to see the back of you for good.
63

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:30:13
#90 The worst case scenario is Hearts will go bust only to be reborn as "Hearts FC" or similar in a lower division (if a space can be found - and everything would be done to find that place as Hearts have a massive fanbase by Scottish standards, not counting the OF). Due to the income generated from a large customer base the club would quickly rise the leagues and probably end up as the top-6 to top-3 club they've been as long as I can remember.
64

dannybhoy,

24/09/2008 08:30:14
i fear the worst & i sincerly hope i am wrong this is anouther example of how money is killing the game
65

Swordsman,

Dublin 24/09/2008 08:33:30
Morning All..

I sincerly hope that the worst case scenario doesnt come to pass but there are those who think that after a meltdown, a quick bounce back up the leagues will be assured...Leeds Utd fans might disagree...
66

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:34:32
#93 It's not delusions of grandeur to say Hearts are one of the most important clubs in Scotland - we are. We're one of the oldest and, statistically speaking, are the best supported and have the best playing record outside the Old Firm (look it up). If it hurts you to hear that it's because your club hasn't managed to maintain that consistency (despite a similar-sized fanbase and income).
67

Dood,

24/09/2008 08:37:04
#98

Aye, and the bigger they are, the harder they fall...........

68

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:37:11
#97 Are Leeds battling against Montrose, Cowdenbeath, East Stirling, Arbroath, QoS, Raith Rovers in their rise back up the leagues as Hearts would have to do? There is no comparison at all. Just look at how quickly Gretna did it - all through a tiny cash injection (with no fanbase to sustain it, unlike Hearts).
69

hibbydoug,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:37:26
What sticks in most peoples throat is the yams attitude that they have a rightfull place at the top table but i think you will find that this has to be earned and not bought-the mighty can fall -just look at what happened to HBOS
70

Johnny Jambo,

24/09/2008 08:42:06
How long will this story drag on, this is the same news and details we heard on Monday, why do they do this.

If we have financial difficulties then so be it we will deal with it if it arises but the players are all happy with the explanations they have had and now new news has gome out from Tynecastle.
71

Swordsman,

Dublin 24/09/2008 08:42:52
#100

Merely drawing comparisons with a well supported team which has,in the space of a couple of years,gone from CL to lower league status.
Of course Hearts would move up the leagues in smart time but there are those on here who see it as merely a formality ...a dangerous mindset,I think.
72

Johnny Jambo,

24/09/2008 08:43:49
#101, no one says we have a rightful (correct spelling) place at the table top and there is a long way to go, but right now its a fact we are third in the league because our results have put us there.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:45:22
#101 Your inferiority complex is coming through loud and clear. We HAVE earned that right. We earn it every season by continuing to stay in this division and, until last season, more times than not finishing nearer the top end than the bottom end. We've paid our way in Scottish football with a large, loyal support (that doesn't disappear for tricky games against our local rivals). And remember we have this support despite achieving very little of note. This doesn't mean we have the right to stay at "the top table" but as of now we have eared that right.
74

Bigwull,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:45:59
93 better having delusions of grandeur than delusions of mediocracy
94 exactly, remember Hearts are the only team that EVER makes the SPL interesting both at home and abroad.
75

SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

24/09/2008 08:48:29
This could just be a slight cash flow problem.

Hearts haven't had a decent home game with a well supported team since 27th Feb. Celtic don't come calling until 2nd Nov. These games are obviously good in terms of topping up season ticket money and bringing in t.V money.

Remember Gretna hinging so much on a home game against Celtic.

There is obviously not a lot of slack around.

76

Hysterical Jambow,

24/09/2008 08:51:23
Does anyone know if the players on-loan from Kaunus were paid on time? Or even if any journalist has considered asking this question!!??

I imagine they would be paid directly by FC Kaunus, not through Hearts. Surely this information would give a better indication as to wether the UBIG group, as a whole, have cash flow problems or if it is just a "technical error" as we are being told?

Any journalist worth his salt would maybe research and advise people of this, or have they and the answer aided to provide a less dramatic headline story...?
77

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:51:23
#104 It would be a formaility. A fanbase 10, 20, 30... times the size of the clubs they'd be playing would mean much higher wages and much better players - the club would shoot back up. In fact, it would be fun and was my preferred scenario after Romanov sacked Burley and started messing the team about.
78

Indy Rep Kid...,

24/09/2008 08:54:00
#110

This is the point: there are a number of pertinent questions that can be asked about this situation and yet it seems to have escaped the Scotsman to do so.

79

Dood,

24/09/2008 09:03:00
#110

"Any journalist worth his salt"

Have to agree with #112 - You're on the wrong website mate.
80

Down with everything,

24/09/2008 09:10:32

Having read the article and heard the same news reports over several days i am inclined to fear the worst for our club.

Many posts have referred to the paying of wages as a number one priority for businesses and those that fail to do so rectify the situation normally within 24 hours. I am of the opinion that this could be the first sign that Vlad will not be around much longer.

If this was a technical glitch then a firm statement would have been released detailing an exact plan to remedy the situation, what was released was vague and not properly acted upon.

If the wages do appear this week, and Vlad makes a full statement clarifying the situation, then i will be satisfied with the position and take it for what we have been told it was.

For me, no public statement from our owner will mean that all is not well with regards our future.

I wait to see what this week brings.

81

Who?,

24/09/2008 09:12:21
Firstly if you want a poorly written article then alan pattullo is your guy. Most of his previous articles involved copy and pasting whole sale from other newspapers, the bbc or world football magazine.

Lets not forget alan pattullo is the guy who thought that John Collins would be a good manager as he had chisled good looks and a 6 pack! Anybody who based management ability on looks can't be a serious jouno.

The only thing about this situation that worries me is Fraser Wishart circuling over head- the guy gives me the creeps! He has no real role to play in scottish football yet he is full of his own self importance. Trade union guys who genuinly care for their members i have no problem with but this guy is intent in getting his picture in the press while not caring who he uses to do so.
82

Who?,

24/09/2008 09:17:07
#116- why not pay by CHAPS- hey why not pay by cheque, cash or magic beans?

Whats your point?

If the players and staff seem happy with whatever arrangements are in place and no news on the subject has been released by anybody in the know then this is all speculation- YES?

Too many people getting over excited about something which doesn't concern them.
83

Iain Bhern,

24/09/2008 09:18:30
Even as a Hibs fan I have to say that this really is not newsworthy. Why? simple, because it's the first time such a story has entered the public domain! I've been hearing stories (from a reliable source) for the last two years about some members of staff at Hearts being kept waiting weeks for their wages. This therefore is nothing new. Only if (and it is if) Hearts come out and say they are having financial problems should people really start to worry. Until then it's no more than supposition.
84

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 09:18:36
oh good heavens, electronic lunacy reigns supreme...

and so the perpetration of misinformation continues...

with depressing predictability, the gutter press sources are having a field day. the daily rioter leads with "PAY US OR WE'LL STRIKE", and then goes on to proclaim that hearts stars COULD strike if not paid on friday, all the usual guff... record sources, insiders say, it's our understaning, blah blah rhubarb...

both the rioter and the sun cite our £36M debts, according to last audited accounts... accounts which are for the year ending 31 July 2007, not that this vital piece of information is actually reported of course.

"no dent in £36M debt" splurges the sun. oh really??? my what an interesting titbit of complete misinformation that is.

and again with depressing predictability, the gullible masses will lap it up like good little boys.

and so it continues...
85

hibbyspurs,

24/09/2008 09:21:57
Sad times for Hearts this I'm afraid. Despite all the nonsense spouted on here at times Hearts are a big club and this sorry mess is an affront to the name Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Those reponsible for this should hang their heads in shame.

I've never been one of the "tick tock" brigade but this situation surely has alarm bells ringing?

Whats worse is its one thing for players on 5 - 6K a week to have to wait for their dough one week but monthly paid staff on at the club on 20-30K per annum have mortgages to pay and other bills, most ordinary people are waiting on their wages dropping into their banks as payday approaches and to be told that its going to be 2-3 days late may cause some a bit of financial grief. I hope the club will compensate their staff for any bank charges they incur because they have insufficent funds to pay items due to this "hitch"....

In terms of the "doomsday" scenario... Lets not get carried away here, the club have said the problem will be rectified on Friday and until then thats the end of the matter IMO... If the money arrives where it should on Friday morning then end of story if it doesnt..... Well for Hearts fans and more importantly those who rely on their incomes from the club it doesnt bear thinking about does it.

I for one hope that this issue resolves itself as the club has promised as I have no desire to see Hearts go out of business, into the first division aye but out of business no....

Ive said it before and will again that IMO Hibs without Hearts is like fish without chips (& vice versa of course).
86

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 09:28:23
and with hilarious predictabity (which turned out to be well founded), #126 bore-them-all swallows the strike action story, hook line & sinker (see post #121).

and so the brainwashing of the brainless continues...
87

Who?,

24/09/2008 09:30:07
#122

Ok to answer your second question read what Mr High and Mighty wrote in post 21. To summarise bad news sells papers, sensationalism sells papers.

The west coast press will defend the gfa and OF. As vlad and hearts have pulled these scumbags up over the years the gutter press will seek vengence.

Rather sad but the gutter press is run by chavi weigi's
88

taIk o' the toun,

24/09/2008 09:31:13

It doesn't say much for our club that Vlad's best lieutenant Sergi has to be flown over to make sure everyone at the football club gets paid.

What happens next month? What happens when Sergi isn't around? Who will go cap in hand to HBOS to plead for an overdraft extension for us?

I know what Jim Royle would say - "Technical hitch my árse."
89

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 09:31:21
hibbyspurs. like you, i will await fridays outcome before starting to really worry. also i agree it is the salaried staff who possibly face greater hardships. one would hope they will be compensated if this is the case.
i would also hope that this situation is resolved in a satisfactory fashion.
if not who knows?
as you have noticed, there are a multitude on these threads rubbing their hands in glee over yet another badnews/goodnews? story from tynecastle. i especially like the quotes from the gutter press regurgitated on the threads.
these always seem to get the masses worked up.
is the beano still on sale? or has it been rebranded as daily record and scottish sun?
90

Indy Rep Kid...,

24/09/2008 09:34:15
BTO (Son of Mong) presents his case with a direct quote from the Daily Ranger.

Case dismissed!
91

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 09:35:45
indy rep - exactly my point on 130
92

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 09:39:56
a point for hearts supporters.
if the worst case scenario develops. are there any other saviours coming in to the cause?
especially in todays financial climate?
93

Iain Bhern,

24/09/2008 09:40:30
#130 swansong, I take exception to your likening a fine publication like the Beano to those two rags. The Beano is truthful and it's always reassuring to know that when you read it you 'are' reading fiction, not something purporting to be 'fact'.
94

hibbyspurs,

24/09/2008 09:40:41
Why do the press report stories like this?

Simple.....

"Because, theres no news, like bad news!"

Sales of the scottish daily's will be up solely because of this story and at the end of the day the papers are profit making organisations and anything that gets the papers of the shelves is going to be milked to its fullest extent.
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VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 09:43:06
#131 boredom through orifices, no need for valium here matey, i'm perfectly calm about it all.

you on the other hand are getting your frillies in a real mess, unsurprisingly.

horse on...
96

bristol jambo,

bristol 24/09/2008 09:46:09
Lets wait till friday.football has to come into the real world,prices far to high not value for money £25 for a game a joke.How many would hand over £25 to watch a match in cash? season tickets come out the bank.Next season will be bad for crowds.Hearts must start to cut now top wage£2000 a week.will we be any worse.I think things are bad at hearts they are trying to get funds for friday what happens next week with no money coming in.
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swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 09:48:06
ianbhern - i apologise profusely- please accept this humble offering. you sir are of course- spot on.
hibbyspurs - something everyone outside the support of cfc and rfc have known for decades.

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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 09:48:52
#135 The saviours of Hearts will ultimately be the supporters. Even if no-one takes Hearts over, if that becomes necessary, the club will reform at a grassroots level. Those who want to follow a club called Hearts will be able to. What would be fun is the thought of Hibs finally getting the upper hand in Edinburgh (not through their own actions naturally but through the misfortune of others) but constantly looking over their shoulder as a new Hearts rises up the leagues towards them.

By the way, the Scotsman's business plan relies on generating comments on these forum through hysterical stories. As print newspapers are losing money hand over fist, online advertising is a major part of their income - and the more traffic they get on the website the more they can sell and the more they can charge. The headline is misleading at best as it implies the players wages have been delayed again.
99

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 09:49:38
#142 boredom, oh no... sounds bad... woe is me... may top myself... resident expert on everything says "watch this space"... must be imminent armageddon...

100

We love fitba,

google! 24/09/2008 09:52:32
#146, Are you the original Victor under ANOTHER pseudnym? Did you get emptied again?

Anyhow, good work by those loyal few who've come to defend the indefensible, once again. For those posted missing (Wookie? Rolland?), remember the drill:

Shout: "TOTAL NON-STORY!" as loud as you can.

Return head to sand.

Await further instruction.
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VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 09:53:00
the very fact that good, decent hearts fans (and hibs fans too like hibbyspurs and ianbhern) are beginning to talk in terms of the club being rescued or starting all over again simply means that the doom-mongers and half-wits are winning the psychological warfare here.

please guys, don't give them the satisfaction they so thoroughly don't deserve.

102

DubIinHibs,

24/09/2008 09:55:07
just dont go pop before the derby, dont want the points deduction to be to blame......chin up chaps....it is only a game!!
103

Lenny,

24/09/2008 09:55:19
# 107

quote.. "that doesn't disappear for tricky games against our local rivals"

Mmm, were you at the 6-2 game? Or were you one of the empty seats on the almost deserted bottom tier? Many many games around that time saw very poor Hearts supports at Easter Road. Was this becouse we were doing better than you and they were considered 'tricky games'?

I see that Hearts crowds are dropping this season. Personally I know Hibs support can be hit and miss, but some of you guys really do live in dream land. Have a look at the attendance stats on the London Hearts site, they may surprise you.

Oh and as for the story, I hope indeed that the players and staff get paid. I would not like to see Hearts go bust, however many Hearts fans (not the decent ones of course) do deserve to spend a year or two in lower leagues. It would possibly shake of this crazy 'big team' talk.

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LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 09:56:07
#146 VI
Morning Auld Guy

Heid staying firmly routed in the sand for me as there is no evidence to suggest anything else.So i don't see the point in hypothesising about such a serious subject.

So....Onto a serious subject VI.
Did you find my coat.
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swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 09:57:38
148- the thought of starting again is furthest from my mind. albeit a very romantic notion, its not a solution ive contemplated.
as has been mentioned, friday will give an indication of any serious financial problems.
106

Iain Bhern,

24/09/2008 09:59:41
#145 Interesting point Sir Brian. Surely they will do the decent thing and compensate their staff for any losses incurred because of the club/owners errors. I know that my employer has in the past covered any bank charges incurred by staff affected by payroll errors but not any interest that was lost.
107

Who?,

24/09/2008 09:59:55
#138- the bbc people who mainly report on hearts are chick young (any tabloid connection?) jim treynor (any tabloid connection?) or ex old firm players like Murdo Mcleod (any tabloid connection?)

The times, telegraph and guardian have little or no interest in scotland or its affairs. Many of the stories regarding scotland are in regional news and are usualy printed days after the story.

I'm sorry but trying to claim that the wegi press do not have an agenda or do not form aganda's against people for very weak reasons or because they are against the OF or GFA is a very poor lie.
108

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 10:00:13
#151, morning LF, sorry i haven't found your coat but i am willing to sell you one at a reasonable price.

#152 swan, exactly.
109

Grierson_Green,

Leith 24/09/2008 10:01:34
Check out Ukio Bankas share price since March.

It has fallen 30% in Sept alone


http://www.baltic.omxnordicexchange.com/market/?instrument=LT0000102352&list=2&pg=details&tab=historical
110

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 10:02:04
153- iain - thats cause the majority of us dont get interest on the account our salaries go into. money in money out in about 30 secs flat.
sir brian obviously dosent have this issue.
111

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:02:17
Time to get worried about this is on Friday if nothing has happened by then, or if it ever happens again.

Status at the moment = slightly concerned, but no more than that.
112

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 10:04:23
157- check out hbos share price over last week - your point?
113

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:05:44
#157 - HBoS share price also dropped but that did not change the fact it was (and is) one of the best capitalised and profitable banks in the UK. Share price means nothing except to the greedy in the "the City" and folk fae Leith who suddenly and bizarrely take an interest in the Baltic stock exchange. We are not owned by Ukio Bankas. They are part of UBIG as are Hearts.
114

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 24/09/2008 10:06:14
Hearts will be here this time next year under Vlad, never mind next week.
What a bunch of slavering, havering, choobs infest Hearts threads.
The number of times we've heard from the "finacial wizards" about "Flats Flats" or "Tick Tock" and the demise of HMFC, and lo and behold a week later there's egg all over their faces.
Watch for a repeat of the humble pie on Friday for these planks.
Try and keep it sensible, after all we are adults.
115

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 10:06:29
161-
im sure you'll find the exact company values statement in every other business in the world- once agin - your point?i
116

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 10:07:04
#150 The only big team talk comes from Hibees. I'm aware of the stats and Hearts superior position in the context of Edinburgh football.

#153 Given that Hearts' community initiatives (which costs them money of course) have been recognised with awards, that they have rewarded many players with massive salaries, that they have given players in Lithuania the opportunity to play on a bigger stage, that they gave Arbroath some Webster cash despite not being required to, that they gave the likes of Stevie Frail and Steve Banks the breaks in coaching roles they wanted... I'm sure Hearts will do the decent thing.
117

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 10:08:31
#157 Practically ALL shares are falling you idiot. The entire global economy is on the slide. This is not the time to own shares in anything. Read the papers recently?
118

Iain Bhern,

24/09/2008 10:09:34
#148 VG, I haven't said anything about Hearts having to be rescued or starting again simply because I do not think it will be necessary. As you'll have noted from my posts both yesterday and today I believe that until we hear otherwise any stories about financial difficulties should be taken with a pinch of salt. However it does occur to me that it may be prudent for any clubs hosting Hearts over the next few weeks to insist on cash up front for "away" tickets or sell them direct to Hearts fans themselves, at least until the real situation is clear. I suggest that merely because there is no club in Scotland outside the OF who could afford a loss of revenue if they didn't receive the money.
I believe you did say yesterday yourself that you would not give Hearts credit if you were asked.
119

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:09:56
#161 - Surprised you haven't got into Mission Statements too. Anyway what do have the values of one part of UBIG got to do with another?

Did Kwik-Fit values and mission statements have any bearing on Hibs. "We aim to exceed customer expectations" - you're having a laugh, right?
120

W U Merchant,

Gorgie Road 24/09/2008 10:11:01
The end of Hearts FC. Administration first, then bankruptcy. How much for a Tynecastle luxury flat?
121

Iain Bhern,

24/09/2008 10:11:18
#158, 30 secs flat? as long as that? you must be loaded :o)
122

Leithjambo,

24/09/2008 10:15:11
#92- Braes of Glenmiller
Excellent post mate.
I for one would rather start again and build up. At least I would feel the club belonged to the fans again, which it hasnt for 3 years now.
I believe the end is coming and it will come swiftly when it does. Might be better that way.
The Romanovs will simply disappear, never to be seen again. Remember Di Stefano at Dundee?
If we end up in the third division with a team of U-19s and Jim Jeffries as manager it will be better than all this corrupt nonsense.
Hearts will never die.
123

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 10:15:18
#169 IB, yes i did. i wouldn't give hearts credit, based on the deeply flawed way they seem to operate regarding meeting the terms of their creditors. after the dust has settled over this debacle, things should by rights be sorted out for the better in that regard but probably wont be.

yes i think you're right, clubs may well insist on cash up front for tickets.

124

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 10:17:17
http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1401903,00.html


Oh no it all over.

How could they do this to our great club.
125

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 10:18:31
Chortle Chortle Chortle Chortle.

Has the Official site crashed yet...
126

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 10:18:32
170- some might argue that international team players are world class. thats an opinion. having bought international players is not a lie. its is fact.
the media has had an agenda over Vr since he arrived.
the media had a disgraceful agenda against vogts- (regardless of his results) the headlines were embarrassing for scotland in the 21stC
THE MEDIA CONTROLS SCOTTISH FOOTBALL.
VR's earliest comments were met with derision from everyone outside tynecastle.
why? because the guy had an idea?
not condoning some of his rants but.
if craig levein is right to question refs and SFA why isnt romanov?
double standards even by scottish standards
127

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 10:20:07
#172, if you think hearts will go into administration then you live in cloud-cuckoo-land. do you seriously think romanov is going to hand over control to an administrator? do you seriously think he would be willing to let some outsider come in and rake throught all the financial comings and goings which he keeps well hidden at present?

administration my jacksie.

128

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:21:33
#176 You had me going there you barsteward!!

Probably won't stop the speculation of the slavering mobs (and that include the red tops) but then that's their problem.
129

Leithjambo,

24/09/2008 10:21:45
Infact, if Romanov's Hearts did go bust and we end up in the third division I believe a strange thing will happen.
Depending on the stadium location Hearts would get crowds of 20-25000 every week for an u-19 team playing under Jeffries.
All Hearts fans would rally to the cause to get us back to where we belonged.
After the powerlessness we have experienced with our last two custodians it would be a blessing to have some influence back and I believe the fans would really respond.
130

Iain Bhern,

24/09/2008 10:24:38
#175 VG, I think HoMFC's tardiness in settling accounts is quite simply explained. As soon as the money leaves the club it ceases to be earning interest for them so the longer they can put off paying a bill the better for them. It doesn't do anything to help some of the small businesses who supply them with goods and services though. Wasn't there some legislation passed some years ago aimed at stopping that happening? If so it has patently failed!
131

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 10:24:42
#178 swansong, again spot on. the media help to maintain the status quo in scottish football, for the benefit of the little private club they have with the other goodfellas involved, the gfa and the ugly sisters.

the game here is as bent as a nine bob note and they have it wrapped up so tightly that nobody will ever be able to change it.

romanov has already admitted this in interviews.

132

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 24/09/2008 10:25:56
#179 Morning Vic. you're wasting your time mate.
We are not debating with rational people here. (apart from the odd one or two).
Look! There's even a plank who poses as a QC!!!!
This forum has become the rendezvou for every Hibby bam this side of the Rocky Mountains.
Apologies to Lenny & co. who are exempt.
Roll on Friday when there will be a collective sigh of...AW! Ah thoucht the Herts wiz bust, an' they're no.
133

SouthSideHibs,

24/09/2008 10:29:03
Will this still be a 'total non-story' (tm) if all staff aren't paid on Friday...?

Everyone on here knows that any technical fault with late payment can be resolved very, very quickly. Unless of course you don't have the cash to make the payments in the first place.
134

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24/09/2008 10:31:02
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135

hibbydoug,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 10:32:05
Victor , if you think hearts could not go into administration just cast your mind back a few years to what happened to a proper massive club-Leeds United, they can pull in 40,000 instead of the 12,000 that you get and they still went bust.
136

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:32:15
#185 - see my #159 and various other similar comments.
137

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 10:32:18
#180 JR
I apologise.
But FFS this is like kiddies time at the zoo.
Feed the animals and they will perform for the crowd.

Could anyone tell me how long it takes to set up a new bank account with the facility to pay for example 100 staff ????

138

busbyfh,

24/09/2008 10:32:28
Who called Wishart in ???????????????
Who got him involed ?????????

The news of a football club not paying wages is usually the first "bong" of the death knell ........but - This is Hearts. Remember things are not normal.........The whole situation would have worried me if it were not for a number of things ALL reported by the press. How many times have we all seen headlines "Hearts have not paid...."(fill in the blank)
Hearts have many times been guilty of tardily remitting money to catering firms,electric companies,football clubs - the SFA for fines FFS....do I need to go through the lists ?
It was only a matter of time before it was the actual employees who suffered - I would be very surprised if this has not happened before.
Employees of course should be paid timeously - ALWAYS - what gets me is that Wishart has now been involved at Hearts a number of times (very often quite rightly , but who originally involves him ?) only thing is , I get the impression that someone or something gets him "invited to attend" before he should be - Show of hands for a newspaper being responsible for "prodding" Mr Wishart.
I was always under the impression that union reps got involved when requested - not appearing when there is a danger/help light shined in the sky.
If an individual went through the proper channels then quite right - it IS his/her right...I just hope FW is not being used puppet like - dancing to journalistic tunes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
139

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 10:33:06
VG- correct- but he is castigated.
scots manager says the same thing - he's a hero. speaking up for the rest of us.
miko falls over for a penalty against scotland. despicable cheat!!!!
scots player gaining an advantage for the national team. will be hailed a hero.
players in scot from all other nationalities falling over for no reason gaining an advantage "not in his character" according to media
lith player doing it - all hell breaks loose.
i would go so far as to say that on at least 4 seperate ocassions ive seen miko booked because of his reputation. and castigated by the media
where is the fairness there?


140

Gorgie's Finest,

24/09/2008 10:34:48
#150 Lenny

The low attendances at fester road had absolutely nothing to do with results and who was in form or not, and you know that. The reason for low Hearts turnouts was deliberate boycotts which were well publisced at the time and well organised by certain members groups and fans. The boycots were over the increase in ticket price solely for Hearts fans. Otherwise as usual our end would have been full, how many times can Hibs fans say they have filled there allocation at tynecastle if you want to compare them?
141

hibbydoug,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 10:36:48
Aye the whole world is against you..you wonder why when you stick up for the wee diving cheat, by the way he never laid a hand on that linesman either.
142

Indy Rep Kid...,

24/09/2008 10:37:17
#192

Dear God!! TommyTippee actually believes that the comnpanies stated values mean something on a day to day basis.

How naive can one man get??

I've worked for a few companies that make a big thing about 'values' and 'mission statements' and 'beliefs' and, without exception, you nod politely and then proceed to ignore them.

I'm afraid TommyTampon is one of those new breed of fans who believe everything they read on the internet.

Sad, really.
143

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:37:43
#190 - From Christophe's comments on the Hearts' site this morning it seems unlikely to have been any of the Hearts' players who involved him. Agree mischief making by sections of the press most likely to blame.

Still he seems to be reasonably relaxed "that's the end of it for the moment," said Wishart.

Wish others on this site would copy.....
144

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 10:37:44
Scorchio - We can't be complacent though and their must be genuine concerns about the money situation.

I said 4 months ago the banking sector was about to implode, in line with business meetings I was having in the states and was met with denial and abuse from fellow Hearts supporters with no knowledge of th sector saying Vads bank was exempt as didn't deal in mortgage market etc.

When I said they would be affected by the general lack of inter bank credit, this was similarly knocked back. This is certainly the case and look at the Baltic banking sector reports if you have any remaining doubts.

When a major instition like BOS can dissapear in 3 days, Hearts whose annual turnover is probably only 10 minutes trading of BOS cannot be complacent given ownership by a bank.
145

Gorgie's Finest,

24/09/2008 10:37:54
#185

No it wont be a NON-Story and FWIW i don't think this is a non story at the moment. I do think certain media are dramitiscing it more and making it appear far worse that it actually is at present. It is a story nonetheless, and one that has many of us sitting wondering what will actually happen.
146

SouthSideHibs,

24/09/2008 10:40:12
#184 - are you suggesting that Sir Brian Hine QC is not, actually, a QC....????
147

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:40:31
#195 Behave yourself! You'd be hard pushed to find a single Jambo who stood up for what Miko did against Scotland. Where we did support him was in the way OTT hysterical treatment he got in the Scottish media and his treatment by refs since then.

There is a difference.
148

Gorgie's Finest,

24/09/2008 10:41:41
For BTO and the other muppets who BELIEVE in that rag the daily rioter

"Hearts captain Christophe Berra today dismissed laughable reports from a Glasgow-based newspaper that the Tynecastle squad is considering strike action following the news that their wages are to be delayed until this Friday.

The Gorgie outfit revealed yesterday afternoon that the players will receive a double salary this week after a technical problem prevented payment as usual last Friday.

The skipper contacted Hearts News this morning in order to offer direct assurances to supporters that there have been no such discussions about not playing this weekend in the dressing room.

"I don't know where the story came from but nothing has been said by the players. We are total professionals, we train hard and we want to win every Saturday.

"We know that if we are successful as a team that can only be good for us as individuals in our career.

"We are often in the spotlight because we are Hearts, and like so many reports these are just not true.

"I don't know where the stories came from, but I tell you I'd love the paper to name their source as there are no quotes in the story.

"I can promise our supporters that we are totally committed to Hearts and this weekend's game."
149

Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 10:41:57
This is not the end of your club, this is not the begining, but could it be the begining of the end of your once proud club. Sad sad week for the jambo's.

Perhaps Sir Tom could buy the club, sell tynie and we could have just one Edinburgh club, NAAAA! once we got rid of all the gash players there would just be hibs players left anyway.

All hearts supporters are now reaping what they sowed, all for one season and a second placed finish, and Scotish cup, I will happily wait another 107 years for the SC if it means we are still in existance.
150

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:42:12
#200 - depends what QC stands for. Quear Creature?
151

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 10:42:28
alasdair.- you misunderstand my post...."some might argue that international team players are world class. thats an opinion."
please note- SOME MIGHT ARGUE. the point being these guys play for their country.
whether or not they are pele class is irrelevant.
with regards the media - i stand by my comments.
the vultures have been hovering since the guy came in.
im not a huge fan of romanov.
but as an aberdeen supporter, you surely agree that he has said nothing more than the rest of us has said for years with regard the media and sfa.
152

hibbydoug,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 10:43:07
What if you were waiting for a cheque and you were first told that there was an technical hitch about the payment and then a week later you were told that the monies were sent to the wrong account but will be with you in another three days...would you believe all this, only the deluded . Why not just tell the truth .
153

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 10:43:21
#200
It might be the anagram of "brian hine" thats the giva away.
Come back to me if you canny work it out.
154

Gorgie's Finest,

24/09/2008 10:44:10
"We are often in the spotlight because we are Hearts, and like so many reports these are just not true."

We all know why Cristophe, the gutter weegie morons are afraid.

"I don't know where the stories came from, but I tell you I'd love the paper to name their source as there are no quotes in the story."

They wont name their source as they DO NOT have one, a complaint to the PCC should be the next from from Hearts regarding this despicable lying rag of a paper
155

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 24/09/2008 10:44:49
#198 GrahamH, your absolutely right, complacency is folly, but it is the nature of the hysteria that rubs me the wrong way.
All of us know tha the business "model" that romanov operates is bizzare at times, and this episodes strikes me as another one of his clangers.
However, that said...I see no eveidence to support this slavering babel from deranged Hibbies, about our "demise".
Choobs!
156

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:45:17
#204 Given that STF is known to be looking for a way out of ER I'd start to worry about things closer to home rather than speculating about him extending his football involvement.
157

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 10:47:12
202 jamboree. thanks for that.
im afraid its yet another example of the xenophobia exhibited by so called football fans.
wonder what will happen when mcgeady does it against us.
158

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 10:47:46
#201 tonkatoy

Sorry,how long would it take to set up a new bank account with a different bank that had needed the facility to pay about 100 staff.
Ie. you bank with,lets say Barclays and then you decide for whatever reason to move to lets say LLoyds.
How long would this take to process ??
159

busbyfh,

24/09/2008 10:47:53
Friday payment - all the slime slithers under their respective flat stones (a large number of posters on here that is)and everything goes back to normal - at least in Hearts terms.Much ado about nothing - as far as the administration/bankrupcy goes. The 1/4 wits getting excited - wrongly - can go back to potty training - a long and arduous task for many.
I can suffer the pseudo Micks from darkest Leith (nice array of tricolours at Douglas Park ! )as we were worse when the great Wallace Mercer nearly succeeded in obliterating their club , but the sons of William 4rseholes on here bother me - maybe they feel an afinity with the arrogant , wee fat , limp wristed cretan that they worship. A fair description for the average Rangers fan actually.
160

Indy Rep Kid...,

24/09/2008 10:48:49
#206

Don't patronise me.

I see no point in quoting company shared beliefs as they are widely known to be b******t

Whose Mission Statement is this: "We are one firm, defined by our unwavering commitment to our clients, our shareholders and each other. Our mission is to build unrivaled partnerships with and value for our clients, through our knowledge, creativity, and dedication of our people, leading to superior returns for our shareholders." ??

Basically, you are just clogging up cyberspace with pointless comments about MY club.
161

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 10:48:58
#215 Or Maloney getting Takis red-carded.
162

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 24/09/2008 10:51:37
#218
In a way that you might understand appreciate the comparisons...
If business were to be compared to goalkeepers
UK business models would be represented by Craig Gordon
Romanovs "model" would be represented by Makalamby.
One is solid, built on good foundations. The other is a joke.
Now off you go and try to work it out.
163

hibbyspurs,

24/09/2008 10:51:46
#179

Victor...

Re the spectre of administrtion. Whilst I dont think it'll come to that and this will be resolved you claim that Vlad wont let it happen.

Yes he wont but does there not come a point where if the club hasnt paid wages, bills etc etc the authorities would become involved and basically force the club into recerviship?

I couldnt say which authority this would be (a court order most likely?)as this sort of thing isnt my area of experteise but if the problems got worse (i.e no wages on Friday) and no resoloution was in sight then surely the relevant authority (perhaps someone can enlighten me as to who this is) would not allow Hearts to continue trading "insovently"?

I'm pretty sure it wont come to that but your post just got me wondering about it.
164

Indy Rep Kid...,

24/09/2008 10:52:29
#217

don;t start me on those tricolors at Hamilton.....shame of Scotland
165

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 10:52:34
#214 That's the way forward. Ignore your own clubs obvious and well documented problems and sling mud at other well run, financially stable football clubs. That'll make everything ok then.

You've been had. Get over it.
166

We love fitba,

google! 24/09/2008 10:53:07
People on here are now quoting Hearts News to "prove" this is a total non-story!

*Pick up doggie chew as reward*

*Return head to sand*

*Await further instruction*
167

Silence of the Yams,

24/09/2008 10:53:42
Canny afford the wages eh? And you had the cheek to try and sign Riordan, lol!
168

swansong,

penicuik 24/09/2008 10:54:01
jamboree- acceptable- swept under the carpet- hearts are the only team in the world who have cheats playing for them.
disgusting.
169

Roscoe P Coltrane,

24/09/2008 10:54:43
OK, maybe not quite as simple as I'd like to think, but surely there's still a chance that it's only a small problem rather than a harbinger of doom.

Some above have mentioned that if it really was only a wee glitch then the club would have issued a statement of their plans to rectify the situation. Maybe any other club would, but when has Vlad ever been open and honest about anything? Personally don't see the silence as an issue, it's just Vlad being his usual contemptible self, but I'll be happier when the wages do get paid.
170

Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 10:54:47
#124
It was a joke you plum!
Bad taste maybe but with all the slavering on these treads, and at times not being able to post about the "football" for all the gash, I think its justified.
171

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 24/09/2008 10:56:44
Ah! the cutting edge of this debate has increased, just look at #226
What a master piece that is!!!
172

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 10:59:42
Has anybody checked the link on Google Ads at the foot of the page? Is your bank in trouble?
173

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 11:01:01
#231 TonkaToy
Not like you to avoid the question.

But iam sure you understand where iam coming from ;-).

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Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 11:01:29
#224 - No mud slinging from me. Just suggesting Hibbes shouldn't spend all their time and energies on examining our financial status but a bit more on their own. What's going to happen when STF does take his security blanket away? Ever thought about it? Thought not.
175

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 11:04:13
#232 If you don't get back to work it'll be the Employee Severance link you'll need.
176

hibbyspurs,

24/09/2008 11:04:38
#214

Thats a pretty poor comparrison mate.

Yes STF may be looking for a way out of ER but unlike your clubs previous owner he is not being backed into a corner with creditors howling at the door to sell the club on.

Therefore STF will as promised take his time and find a buyer who as far as he can be certain will have the desire to take the club forward with the proper financing and business model.

He will not have to (and has probably already turned down) the firs offer from any old muppet who happens along and fancies a shot of running a football club.

Thats the difference.

For all that I have barraked STF & RP over lack of team of invesment at times I do have total confidence that they will not sell the clubs future down the river, even though STF will want to walk away with a tidy retirement fund from Hibs.
177

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 11:05:47
#234 When Sir Tom does decide to sell, I'm sure there will be big changes. However, Hibs will be sold as a financially sound, going concern, not as the result of a rescue package, or a fire sale.
178

Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 11:08:03
#234

Not all our time and energies, we need to save some for saturdays, to go and see our football team play, and you?
What you are suggesting is never going to happen,
179

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 11:09:21
#237 STF is 68 already so time is not exactly on his side if he wants to enjoy any kind of retirement fund at all.
180

Jambo-ree,

24/09/2008 11:12:11
#238 Will they be 'financially sound' after he has taken out what he wants? Don't forget, by his own confession he's not a football fan let alone a Hibs' fan. He's a business man approaching his seventies.
181

Leithjambo,

24/09/2008 11:12:18
#204 Gordon Smiths
Thats the most portentious, nasty, twisted little post I think I have ever read.
You even try to make yourself sound like a sooth-sayer in the first paragraph.
Beautifully composed.
It makes my blood curdle to think of what you must be like.
182

Silence of the Yams,

24/09/2008 11:19:11
240. Clutching at straws mate, your club is down the drain, Hibs have never been healthier.
183

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 11:20:22
#241 Why would he "take out what he wants"? Surely if he indulged in asset stripping he'd reduce the selling price of the club. He may well hold out for the best price he can get but who wouldn't. And remember, he's a very rich business man approaching his 70's with a philanthropic streak. Who's to say he won't indulge that streak when the time comes to leave Hibs?
184

AJ Fife,

24/09/2008 11:22:35
An institution like Hearts should not be allowed to go doon the tubes!

Mergers are aw the rage just now, so how about a merger with Hibs.

Apologies if this has already been suggested........
185

Fred in sunny Sydney,

sydney 24/09/2008 11:27:27
Once upon a time I would have had sympathy for Hearts and their current plight.

But their 'big teaam' arrogance has cured all of that.

I can't see the 5th cavalry or anyone else galloping to their defence, and I can't see the banks being sympathetic in the current climate.

Bye bye Jambos - your supporters will miss you, but nobody else will.


186

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 11:28:45
as well as introducing measures to make sure this doesn't happen again and a whole new culture of paying creditors on time (more or less), one other thing i have been itching for hearts to do for a long long time is to ban all gutter press red-tops from tynecastle and riccarton... for good.

yes there are problems of some sort or other in existence but no there are not the severe problems being purported by these vultures.

come on romanov, why are you not banning the media vultures???????

BAN THE SHAN

187

Gorgie's Finest,

24/09/2008 11:29:39
FWIW to the Hibs fans and those talking about STF. STF wants out, yes he is not a football fan never has been, and only stepped in to stop Hibs going down the pan or the take over from Mercer (Which i admit was totally against) When Farmer leaves Hibs, he will get the best price for them, and at present Hibs are probably about the only club outwith the OF that would look like a good buy, only because they have "Virtually no debt" so a new buyer will not have to finance and maintain large debt and interest payments etc. That said however, when STF does eventually find a buyer, this is what Hibs fans can't seem to understand (Or some of them anyway) what will the next buyer do? how much money will the next owner have? Will he invest in the team? Because Hibs do not have a large debt etc it makes them easier to sell to someone that maybe does not have the same resources and financial backing.

Im not saying STF will sell out to the first offer that comes along and jeopordise all his hard work, but the possibilities of Hibs ending up back in debt are very very real, if a new owner starts using the assets at Hibs as collateral against financing the team etc.

A new owner could adopt a completely different approach from that of Petrie and Farmer and adopt a speculate to accumulate approach exactly the same as VR did and could end up in the same mess with His fingers burnt trying to take on the OF.
188

busbyfh,

24/09/2008 11:32:46
# 249

WTF are the 5th cavalry ?
189

Silence of the Yams,

24/09/2008 11:33:21
251. lol! Nice try Yam, but it's HOMFC thats tea's oot. heh heh!
190

Fred in sunny Sydney,

sydney 24/09/2008 11:35:38
252

Ask yer Dad
191

Ayegudyin,

24/09/2008 11:36:59
#80 -
quote "To all the Jambos who still beLIEve

Re-arrange this sentence-

DROPPED HAS YET THE PENNY NOT !"

how about these for rearrangements...

Pretend pay the syphoned ton
Pretend payed then shot pony
A dethroned python spent, Yep
A dependent python tyre shop (kwik-fit?)
192

Gorgie's Finest,

24/09/2008 11:37:18
#248 AJ

A merger with Hibs just would never ever happen, you only need to look at the fiasco when Mercer tried that.

However an option i was in favour of and have been for a long time is a shared stadium for the two clubs and a venture with Edinburgh council as well. Meadowbank is derilect and needs replacing, the council have for some time said they want to build a new stadium somewhere. If Hibs Hearts and the council got together they could build a very viable and modern stadium fit for football, athletics etc etc. Maybe a 30,000 capacity with the capability to extend to maybe 40,000 for big events such as concerts or major athletics meetings etc.

I know many people will say they dont want to leave their spiritual homes and in an ideal world no one would leave easter road or Tynecastle, however the decline of scottish Football, and lack of money in the game now means measures should be taken to allow Hearts and Hibs to be able to compete against the OF.

I beleive a plan of this nature would benefir BOTH clubs
193

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 11:37:29
#252
Or ask victorian.
194

Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 11:38:18
#242
Don't be so soft you plum, if that is the case I must ask one question, "is this the first time you have read these threads?" every day there are nastier comments and down right spiteful bile posted here, I must have hit a raw nerve me thinks.

#249
My sentiments exactly, good post.
195

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 11:39:15
#257 LF, hoy!!! at least when i go ootside i don't freeze to death.

196

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 11:41:38
#255
What about.
A Porn Pythons Type Deed Then ?
197

Iain Bhern,

24/09/2008 11:44:25
#251, STF may not be a football fan but he can be seen regularly at Easter Road on matchdays with his grandchildren. I've seen him for myself buying merchandise from the club shop for his grandson before a game.
198

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 11:44:39
#259 VI
Sorry.
I thought i could sneak that post in there while you were having your morning snooze...
Its nearly lunch now i suppose then you'll be off for your afternoon snooze auld yin.
199

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 11:48:03
#262 LF, i was away oot to see if i could track doon that dug that's wearing your coat. i've been up and doon gorgie road and there's been plenty of dugs wearing coats but not the right sort.

200

Greignotgreg,

Newcastle 24/09/2008 11:53:06
On Sky Sports News now as well, spoke to Csaba and Mike Tullberg, neither of whom seemed overly concerned and laughed off talk of a strike - as if we didn't know that already. Still not a good sign though, but hopefully rectified on Friday.
201

Roscoe P Coltrane,

24/09/2008 12:00:21
Following the problems in the sub-prime lending market in America and the run on Lehman's in the US and HBOS in the UK uncertainty has now hit Japan. Reports indicate the Japanese banking crisis shows no signs of improving. If anything, it’s getting worse. Following last week’s news that Origami Bank had folded, it was today learned that Sumo Bank has gone belly up. Bonsai Bank plans to cut back some of its branches. Karaoke Bank is up for sale and going for a song.

Shares in Kamikaze Bank have nose-dived and 500 jobs at Karate Bank will be chopped. Analysts report that there is something fishy going on at Sushi Bank and staff there fear they may get a raw deal.

OR

If you had purchased £1000 of Northern Rock shares one year ago they would now be worth £4.95; with HBOS, earlier last week your £1000 would have been worth £16.50; £1000 invested in XL Leisure would now be worth less than £5; but if you bought £1000 worth
of Tennents Lager one year ago, drank it all, then took the empty cans to an aluminium re-cycling plant, you would get £214!!

So based on the above statistics the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and re-cycle.

Have a good day!
202

Greignotgreg,

Choking on my cornflakes 24/09/2008 12:04:25
#266,

That's a measured assessment of Hibs fans then.
203

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 12:05:18
#265 RPC
Very sound advice and one which a small proportion of investors like myself have known about and have been trading in the bevvy market with stunning results for a fair number of years....I think......
204

LionheartFodithman,

24/09/2008 12:08:11
VIC...VIC...VIC
I can't believe it auld boy.

Its raining doon here.

Chucking it down.

Peshing big style.


I havent got a coat.....
205

John McCain's Frozen Chips,

Glasgow 24/09/2008 12:10:00
Here's yer daily Nordic Exchange report:
Massive trading in Ukio Bankas shares again today, for the second day running (by far the highest-traded stock on the exchange), with early attempts to bolster its share price. But a late run saw the price tumble again to 1.94, down 1.58% on the day and 12% in two days.
In the current climate, client confidence is everything for a bank.
Can you imagine if you heard YOUR bank was not paying its staff?
There would quickly be a massive queue at its doors of people wanting their cash out. Fast.
It's certainly dodgy times for Ukio. And if it bellyflops, UBIG (Ukio Bank Investment Group) goes with it. And Hearts.
The only surprise, given the news from Tynecastle which has now been broadcast on the BBC, is that there has not already been a major panic in Vilnius.
But if this is not resolved VERY soon . . .
206

VictorianGorgie,

24/09/2008 12:12:16
#266, eh yep. thanks for giving up some of your valuable time to provide that insightful assessment.

#260 LF, 2 choices as far as i can see.

1. dinny go oot.
2. stop chucking your clobber away.
207

Iain Bhern,

24/09/2008 12:12:40
#265 Roscoe, If we follow your advice to its logical conclusion then investment in Shanks Of Barrhead should be sound as there will be a run on toilet equipment.
208

Roscoe P Coltrane,

24/09/2008 12:13:11
Cheers LF - I figured an injection of humour was required! Your next post reminded me of Reeves & Mortimer though:

Vic! Vic! Vic!

What?

I've fallen over Vic!
209

Roscoe P Coltrane,

24/09/2008 12:17:11
"What's on the end of the stick, Vic?"
210

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/09/2008 12:18:39
OK, Jam Tarts are a pretty good football club. Middle of the pack record but lot's of crazy Jambos in the ground most Saturdays. Big pile of debt. Being taken care of we are told.
But also what they call "positive cash flow."
A "going concern". Which means payroll should be able to be met internally from Gorgie Street.
So why are the cheques being cut in Lithuania?
Has Mad Vlad stuck a giant soda straw into Hearts and is sucking all the gate receipts out of the club to shore up his crashing businesses at home. Yesterday there was a massive share purchase at the bell (they do have a bell on the Baltic bucket shop, don't they) to keep his dog bank from slipping even more.
Did the Jambos provide the cash?
211

Hibbee_with_a_heart,

Lala Land 24/09/2008 12:22:39
I'm confused!

I've been catching up on the news that I missed over the last few days and have encountered a time warp. Supporters are on here saying that they will believe that there is a problem only if the wages are still not paid by Friday but wasn't the original promise for yesterday, Tuesday? So why not at least show some concern that the deadline was passed without payment being made. What is so special about Friday? If Friday is passed without the funds arriving what then? The same as when Tuesday passed? Take what is fed to you and blame everyone else for the persecution. A lot of Hearts fans remind me of Nero and his fiddle. Although I think the fiddle that Romanov is playing isn't the musical type.
The press may exaggerate the issues but the issue must be there in the first place. So do yourselves a favour and recognize that it's your administrators that are creating the basis of those stories. Paranoia isn't what you need at this time, it'll stop you from acting on the problems you have.
212

Neil Waugh,

OLd Strarthcona 24/09/2008 12:23:00
#270

Thanx for the update Chips. Sounds like Mad Vlad was in the market again today trying to shore up the share price.
But to beat off the bears takes loads of money. And since his bank shares are his liquidity, he ain't got nothing to turn to.
Except the Jambos.
213

MickyFinn,

Livingston 24/09/2008 12:26:19
Hindsight is a wonderful thing! How many feared this day would arrive this was all spoken about all these years ago when Mad Vlad arrived at Tynie.
Many a true Hearts fan sold there soul to this man and his dreams and now it appears to be turning into a nightmare.
Well you were warned at the time by many fans who were lambasted by fellow fans about the flaws in this marriage so as a fan who was scorned at the time we are getting what we deserved!
214

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/09/2008 12:27:08
#276

Because Hearts are scheduled to be on the pitch against Dundee United at 3 pm Saturday.
Will it be no pay no play?
After all they are "professional" footballers.
215

Calvinist,

24/09/2008 12:32:28
Don't worry- wee Eck will come to the rescue like he did for HBOS- Um
216

Pistol Pete,

24/09/2008 12:35:47
Hibs should buy them, must be worth a pound?
217

Pistol Pete,

24/09/2008 12:38:56
Sorry I meant a dollar.
218

Greignotgreg,

Newcastle 24/09/2008 12:40:32
#275,

That strikes me as one of the most believable (and unfortunately most worrying) theories that anyone has bandied about.
219

view from the grassy knoll,

24/09/2008 12:42:04
If HoM players paid on performance there'll be no wages next week either.

the debt/equity conversion an interesting one. Likely one of Vlad's companies held the debt and swapped for shares (possibly redeemable in the future at a price?). Not sure of HoM company status but if it has run out of cash or cannae access a credit line there is little equity left in the business any way.

Fire sale comin' up methinks

mebbee gordon will take onto the national debt wae the Glenrothes by-election comin up.....secure the jambo vote?
220

Lenny,

24/09/2008 12:47:40
Gorgie's Finest

Mmm, pretty convenient. I will take yuor word for it. I assume it just one rule for one team and another for the other then.

Still, Hearts are like everyone else. Crowds are good when you are doing well and they dip when you are now. Like this season. That was the point I was trying to make.

Anyway, its off subject mate so lets leave it at that.
221

John McCain's Frozen Chips,

Glasgow 24/09/2008 12:57:43
Neil Waugh,

There was a massive share purchase right "on the bell" again today. The shares had closed at 1.94, but thousands were bought at 1.97 right on 2pm (clearly "in-house" trades) to leave the share price unchanged on the day. Very strange.
But once the news from Tynecastle hits Vilnius (via the BBC), customers will start a run on the bank.
Incidentally, the values of Ukio's two investment bonds have crashed over the past month.
Not a good time to be viewed as a weak bank.
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/09/2008 13:02:15
The Hootsman's lazy journos got their @ses kicked again by the Red Top. Here's what the Daily Record is reporting.
Yup, it's down tools at Tynecastle.

HEARTS stars have warned the club's owner Vladimir Romanov they could consider strike action if they don't get their missing wages by Friday.

Fears for the club's financial future grew last night as angry players spoke to the Scottish Professional Footballers Association after yet another day went by without them receiving pay that was due last Friday.

And they have said they will consider a dressing-room revolt if the Tynecastle club goes back on a promise made yesterday that all salaries will be met by the end of the week.

It's not only players who are waiting as the rest of the club's employees were told they would not receive their monthly wages as scheduled today.

Record Sport understands that last night the concerned first-team squad were texted by the club, informing them that they would get last week's money along with this week's in two days' time. And an official Hearts statement read: "The club will pay the players' wages for last week in full at the end of this week.

"They will be paid with the current week's wages on Friday."

The Jambos players had left their Riccarton training HQ yesterday afternoon expecting their salaries, which failed to reach them last Friday, to be in their accounts.

But despite being promised, players were left shocked to find the cash had not arrived at their banks.

The failure to pay staff at the club raises questions of a deeper problem at a time when the global banking system is in turmoil and Hearts rely on Vladimir Romanov's bank Ukio Bankas to guarantee their debts - now running at £36.25million.

Club sources confirmed a meeting was called yesterday at which employees were told they would not be paid but were also reassured that, like the players, they would receive their wages on Friday.

A spokesperson said last night: "Staff will now all b
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Pazuzu,

24/09/2008 13:07:26
I can't see the Yam/Yaks going down, and would not want that to happen either.

Now, if the biggot sisters went down........
There would be some interesting changes:

No lice infestations on matchday.
No bottles of Bucky clear up.
Not as much vomit on the streets.
Maybe, maybe get a fair game without x thousand verminous, slavering, biggoted half-wits trying to wipe out you and your entire family when the referee makes a decision.

GGTTH





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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/09/2008 13:10:24
#286

Good one Chips. I'm not sure what kind of krap currency Mad Vlad's bank trades in. But he seems determined to repel all boarders at 1.97.
But sooner or later the bucket will run dry.
Then fasten your seat belts.
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the west end general,

24/09/2008 13:15:19
I prefer to believe the statement on the official website .. boring but probably true !
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Salvatori,

24/09/2008 13:55:20

292 - From the club itself:

"We are aware that people will read articles but it is important to distinguish between fact and fiction. There is a lot of fiction today which aims to aggravate the situation."

Now go away, untwist your crackers and mull over the next crisis you can fabricate in your wee tiny mind.

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jon doe,

24/09/2008 13:56:11
`Now backroom staff at the Tynecastle club – who, unlike the players, are paid on a monthly basis – have been told they must also wait until the end of the week to receive their wages`.

This is ridiculous , Friday is the 26th most monthly saleries paid on 28th-30.Since when is it a worry that monthly saleries are no paid earlier ?

DUH

228

jon doe,

24/09/2008 13:58:21
Salaries*

Im sick of this story its not the first time its happened either, the source of this story has been removed from the club.
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Eddie,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 14:03:22
24 John Doe - read the stories. Monthly salaries at Tynecastle are paid on the 24th of each month.

I haven't read all 294+ comments, and someone may have said this before, but isn't the money for salaries coming from a bank? A bank which has a 'technical hitch' and can't come up with some money is in a very serious situation.

Hearts (or Ukio Bankas) regularly renage on paying contractor's and supplier's bills on time. There's a pattern here, and these patterns usually get more and more serious until there's no way back.
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Salvatori,

24/09/2008 14:03:45
296 - I'll hold you to your predictions, and I guarantee you, none of them will come true.

I believe the club over muck raking parasites like you with an unhealthy obsession with the JT's.

Keep reading those red tops - those paragons of factual information. It's about your level.
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jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:07:19
I want to say that i enjoy the current Hearts side, there young and work so hard for each other.
Scaba has got them up for the season, the players in the sides outside the first team Squad are also improving.
There are many things happening that are positive, i dont think this current young side is as good as the one from the early 1980s but there definatley goingt o improve with more quality performances all through the side.


Respects

A Jambo
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jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:11:56
What i said regarding monthly salaries is in general.

To complain or make out its a serious thing to be paid later is sensationalism, a problem occured an its being delt with.
Untill the administators are putting up the notices id rather not suffer the rubbish that always flys behind it.
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iwasthere0-7,

Dublin 24/09/2008 14:20:03
GIRFUY- You shambos have short memories, i dont. During the Duff Grey debacle when the HIbs nearly went under, you lot showed no sympathy.

When the chosen one arrived with his promises of world football domination, you lot bit like stoned sharks.

Theres a wee Scottish phrase that springs to mind

HE WHO CALLS THE TUNE- PAYS THE PIPER.

I look forwaed to puruising the shelves in Tesco Gorgie the next time ahm hame. F*ckwits the lot ae yeas
234

jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:20:49
i ment to say oh how they will suffer having to wait 2 days over the pay date.

Doomed i tell ye Doomed....


PMSL
235

Rolland,

24/09/2008 14:23:15
147 - I'm not missing, just don't see the point in posting anything regarding this story the end of the world is near I have lots to fit in before then. It is bad that employees haven't been paid and this should be sorted asap, other than that its all speculation at the moment. Friday will be a telling day, will you be eating humble if they are all paid ? Or will you be coming out with things like wait until next Friday.
236

jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:25:04
World football domination is it ?

Maybe your side should concentrate on dominating East Scotland.


iwasthere0-7

Sponsored by Prozac


237

Edinburghs only big team,

24/09/2008 14:27:43
In the current Uefa Rankings Hearts are 103 whereas hibs are a lowly 153.
238

Edinburghs only big team,

24/09/2008 14:28:45
305#

Bet you weren't there when your very small team won the scottish cup eh?

10-2. The record
239

Edinburghs only big team,

24/09/2008 14:29:23
304~
240

jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:29:38
Both old firm clubs have been close to meltdown a few times in recent years, both needed major investments and kulled shares to survive.

What usualy happens is people find a new strategy from facing different problems, they dont fall apart and give up.

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Edinburghs only big team,

24/09/2008 14:30:41
305#

I can guarantee you that

Rnagers were beaten in Europe by Hearts reserves though

;-)
242

jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:31:32
305#

Haha , i wonder if any of his DNA watched Hobs last lift The Scottish Cup.


PMSL
243

jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:35:25
Mr Murray for example bought £50M shares from himself for £25M, what is he going to do next time buy them for £12.5M ?


Doomed i tell ye Doomed
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the beast,

London 24/09/2008 14:39:16
If Hearts did go under and I believe they won't what could the vast majority (excluding the real fans) on this thread have to write about with no Hearts? Their lives would be over without Hearts!! All that googling on Hearts for nothing!!
Pay day Friday end of story!
245

jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:44:54
Why would you have to devalue the price of shares to survive if you do so well finacialy ?

These shares are the livleyhood of the clubs finacial core, without them you are opened up to vultures.

Hearts offer up the better end of the affair, we were dead and sinking. Mr Mercer faced the same problem and found solutions that aged him over night.

Its all related to the same thing, the inner workings of a Football club.

Respects

A Football Man
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jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:46:27
Sorry for typos i was in the company of Hobos earlier.
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jon doe,

24/09/2008 14:53:01
Oh i have memories of following Hearts and we didnt have a pot to p8ss in most of the time.
But Hearts are a love affair an addiction or as some may say an institution, the Bond will never be broken.

I would watch them playing on a concrete pitch with broken glass and dog Sh*t on it.


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iwasthere0-7,

Dublin 24/09/2008 14:55:40
Edinburghs only smug team, Eufa rankings my erky. How are things looking on the financial front.

Hibs-no debt
Hertz- nowt bit debt.

They are looking for new teams in the Junior leagues.

You could call yirselves Gorgie Brown Star.
249

iwasthere0-7,

Dublin 24/09/2008 14:57:09
*318
Home games in Wester Hailes then
250

jon doe,

24/09/2008 15:05:49
Hey dont knock it

There are always Mystic Meg types about, they litter scottish history. Pity most of them are after the fact.

The very same stories appeared when Elias Furst took over HMFC end of 1890s,all bemoaning or creating conspiracy like theores.Non came True his legacy stands on mcloed street.

The magic is in your own experience, nothing lasts forever i ll enjoy it while its here an im bale to.
Im not going to worry about my future relations, i have 3 sons support Celtic and one supports Rangers.

All born into west coast families.


iwasthere0-7


Aye Murrayburn area
251

jon doe,

24/09/2008 15:16:00
I should say my Sons have a soft spot for the Jambos as do a lot of Old Firm fans.They see us as a force to be kept down, i see that as a compliment.

252

forbesy1873,

24/09/2008 15:23:59
#318

You would go all the way to Parkhead to watch them? Jeez thats dedication for you!
253

Listeria,

Russia 24/09/2008 15:32:16
As an exile, in Mr Romanov's backyard I beleive he has never put any money into Hearts at all, look at the Debt level when he took over and look now. You can see what his real priorities have been.
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the beast,

London 24/09/2008 16:11:27
Listeria are known to be the bacteria responsible for listeriosis, a rare but lethal food-borne infection that has a devastating case fatality rate.
An unfortunate choice of name....

The story is a non starter and its business as usual...

HHGH
255

Rolland,

24/09/2008 16:16:26
#325 - Good afternoon Sergi, so its Listeria now is it?

Your so obviously its not even remotely funny anymore.
256

the beast,

London 24/09/2008 16:23:34
Rolland, I'm not sure he put much thought into his new name, he's like a virus that won't go away!!

HHGH
257

Daillyman,

24/09/2008 16:35:28
Any how back to the football, I took the Hearts for a 1-1 draw with United in the mini league.
258

Chas Niceass,

24/09/2008 17:09:04
Just heard the game with Dundee United is off on Saturday.
Well if the papers and all these posters can spout sh*te all day, I'd like to end it on the same note.
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Chas Niceass,

24/09/2008 17:17:43
#335 No typo. You can take your pick of offs though begining with either B F or P, you choose :-)
260

Bosco Bhoy,

24/09/2008 18:02:44
Genuinley hope Hearts are not in any serious financial situation. The SPL needs the likes of Hearts to become stronger and give CFC and RFC a decent bit of competition.

My God its bad enough, with the second biggest club in Scotland having serious questions about its financal stability and long term viability being posed down at Ibrox without the disease of poor management spreading.
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mcaitchi,

hibs 24/09/2008 18:55:45
Hearts Will Be Paid On Friday !!! - end of story

Hopefully the Threads will Stop by the next friday !!!
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Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 24/09/2008 19:03:39

If the staff are not paid tomorrow the wrecking balls will start rolling.

Shame on Hearts fans for sitting on their hands as their club became an unstable laughing-stock.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 24/09/2008 19:44:28
307 - "10-2, the record". ffs it was a pre-season friendly back in 1893.

Bet you werenae there !

"And the grandfather clock went 'tic-toc, tic-toc' "
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Pilrig,

Livingston 24/09/2008 19:50:08
315 I think so too. But who would they by over ? Livi ? Forget it ! Saprtans, Embra city ? Cowdenbeath ? How aboot Arniston Rangers ? Ok an unfortunate second name but they wear maroon as well.
265

mcaitchi,

hibs 24/09/2008 20:29:24
344# - Dont know Any hibees or hearts fans that actually like - Chick (the) young

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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/09/2008 20:46:17
Here's another piece of facinating information from Mad Vlad's latest "official" Hearts financial statement.
UBIG is trying to plug a 5 million pound hole in the Tynecastle dyke at the same time proping up his bank, which is under attack on the Baltic Stock Exchange.
How do you say good luck in Lithuanian

"club losses before tax increased to £5,282,000 (2005: £2,728,000), the majority of which is accounted for by the higher salary costs of £10 million (2005: £4.5 million) for playing staff due to an investment in playing squad and extended contracts for existing players on improved terms. A direct effect of this was an increase in net debt to £28.4 million (2005: £21.5 million).

The loss is in line with the Board's expectation and is part of an approved long term business plan for the club where investment and increase of costs are required to improve the performance. Going forward the company has financial support from the main shareholder UBIG, helping the company to meet financial demands and manage debt.

The Hearts Board believes that current levels of debt are manageable and will be reduced as the club moves towards profitability. Higher revenues will be generated through increased participation in European competition, larger attendance in a redeveloped Tynecastle Stadium and greater sponsorship and retail income. Expenditure on the playing squad is unlikely to rise any further"
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mcaitchi,

hibs 24/09/2008 21:15:36
346# - This is a "cut&Paste" aricle from 3 years ago !!

Does Vlad Have A Long Term Plan Anymore ????

Serious - I Hope Some RICH Jambos get The Gether and buy the whats left of the club!!

And Stop This Drivel - Vlad makes Edinburgh Football

A Joke - Press are ripping him to bits !!!

Hope he is out of there !!! soon

For Both Our Sakes !!!!
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John McCain's Frozen Chips,

Glasgow 24/09/2008 23:06:28
Balkan Investment Fund (managed by UBIG-owned Balkan Investment Bank) has seen its value halved in a month.
There has been a frantic amount of trading in it over the past two days on the Banja Luka Stock Exchange (as with Ukio in Lithuania), but still the price is heading south.
As for the Birac aluminum plant at Zvornik, which UBIG also owns in Republica Srpska, Bosnia-Herzegovina, its share price is heading towards zero.
Every penny UBIG and Ukio have is going towards propping up its share prices.
The companies are fighting for their lives.
The players at Hearts are a low priority. The staff are no priority.
Them's the facts.
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 25/09/2008 00:36:09
#348

Another brilliant piece of Google-search, Chips.
The best story on the Mad Vald situation in the Scotsman by a long shot.
Aren't the editors just a little bit embarrassed that the bloggers are kicking the paid staffs' @sses big time?

 

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