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Opportunity lost for try-shy Scotland in Six Nations



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Published Date: 17 March 2008
TWO points on the scoreboard prevented Scotland from sinking to a second successive wooden spoon for the first time since the 1970s, and yet it was the dire lack of points that made the 2008 RBS Six Nations Championship a miserable one for Scotland.
This was a tournament as a whole that had great excitement and the unpredictability that comes with all sides being capable of matching each other on their day, but Scotland failed to rise to the challenge and their one victory against England does little now to dampen the strong disappointment felt by supporters after a spring that promised much more.

Frank Hadden, the Scotland coach, was only two months ago urging people to aim for the top – he had the fittest Scotland squad, rising talents, newfound experience and maturity from the World Cup and a squad with more depth than he could remember at this level; depth to cover injuries that is. This correspondent believed that, and still believes it has been the case, and felt, with the frustration of not beating Argentina and reaching a World Cup semi-final, they may also possess the crucial desire to upset the odds.

On Saturday night in Rome, Hadden blamed preparation at that time, weather, illness and injuries before and during the championship for the poor run. This suggests the depth either was not as strong as he had believed or, perhaps, that he did not tap into it efficiently.

After an RBS Six Nations in which his squad has brought him just one win, taking his tally in three years to five in 15 Test matches, two in the last ten, Hadden and his rallying faithful are keen to suggest that we set our expectations too high; that these players are not great, pretty limited really, and almost that he is doing well to achieve the results he has.

But while few view this squad as deserving of a top-five place in world rugby, it is far from being poor. Scotland currently has a burgeoning stock of players able to compete with the best in Europe at least, around some experienced individuals such as Mike Blair, the new captain, Simon Taylor and Nathan Hines who have proven themselves competitive with the best in the world. Newcomers such as John Barclay, Strokosch and Graeme Morrison have proven themselves good Test performers, Nikki Walker shown improvement on his return and the A team proven that there are more talents on the way.

This squad enjoyed the most in-depth pre-season training programme ever embarked upon, with unprecedented technical help from medics, physios and the Institute of Sport, and Scotland's top 40 or so players under the direction of Hadden and Mark Bitcon, the fitness coach, are significantly more powerful and physically competitive than any that have gone before.

In this tournament, Scotland's scrum started poorly against France and finished under pressure in Italy, but competed well in the other three games and, though it made for scrappy ball often, they never lost any of their own scrum ball, unlike France, Italy and England. Scotland's lineout supplied more ball than any other team, and while it lost more than the locks will like, it was reasonably sound throughout the championship.

Only Italy conceded fewer penalties, only Ireland secured more ball from mauls, only Wales won more ball in the opposition 22 and they and France were the only teams to make more passes than Scotland overall, yet all sides managed to turn that possession into more tries than Hadden's paltry three – Scotland's smallest-ever total in the Six Nations – and that was the key problem.

The number of errors was a contributory factor as only France and Wales missed more tackles, Scotland had the least success at winning turnovers and only the French, who changed their team with each game, made more mistakes. But, Scotland's attack – the one part of their game that failed to lift pressure off others – was the big failure of the 2008 championship.

Hadden was an ambitious, adventurous coach, but he has become ever-more conservative in the past year, almost frozen by what he faced in his second year at the helm and appears to lack the tactical answers to pull the team forward. He had a chance, with a championship title long gone, to find a new way with Paterson at ten – the greatest frustration being that none of us yet know whether he could provide the answer to Scotland's try drought – but his instinct was neither to look to the future, nor be bold nor ambitious.

This is not about finding scapegoats for Scotland's struggles, nor witch-hunts and personal attacks on individuals, but simply an assessment and questioning of how and where Scotland are developing and improving. The team has a record of 13 wins in 31 Test matches under the current head coach, but have struggled to show any meaningful improvement over the past year. This time last year the message was 'don't worry about the Six Nations, the World Cup is the real aim in 2007' and after that it was 'we have learned lessons to help us compete in the Six Nations'.

In fact, Scotland finished bottom of the scoring charts, bottom of the try charts, in a Six Nations in which no team, even Grand Slam winners Wales, were head and shoulders above them. This was a great championship in the sense that it was wide open, every game was there for the taking by the team with the greater desire and execution of skills on the day, but Scotland could not play their part.

On the issue of tactics, Hadden began with the kicking style of the World Cup with Dan Parks at stand-off, but the forward pack struggled to provide ball, and when the stream of possession was improved against Wales, Scotland tried to batter them into submission around the ruck and in tight channels, which led Warren Gatland, the Wales coach, to say afterwards that Scotland were easy to defend against.

Paterson was handed the stand-off reins against Ireland, and he helped spark a much more ambitious attack, but it still struggled to finish and the Irish easily picked off errors and turnovers to score five tries. Simon Webster did finally produce a Scottish try, but the game quickly slid away from the Scots. The following week brought the announcement of Scott MacLeod's failed drugs test, an unwelcome distraction.

Had Paterson continued in the final two games perhaps that early enterprise might have grown into something, but when the team lost Rory Lamont to injury 20 minutes into the Calcutta Cup match, Paterson was moved back to wing. The side stepped up to the mark defensively, Parks worked hard and, despite some errors from the Glasgow fly-half, Scotland sealed a famous win. But when Nikki Walker was injured in training two days before the Italy match, Paterson was again moved out of the ten jersey and to the wing, and Parks never had the wit, confidence or form to steer the Scottish side to victory.

It is for Hadden and his coaching staff to work out where the national team are heading, and while he still has the support and faith of his players, he may survive to lead the team against Argentina and then, in the autumn, Canada, South Africa and New Zealand. Not an easy run in which to prove you do have what it takes to lift Scottish rugby again, but if he does strike more wins than defeats in that run he may well turn things around.

All Scotland coaches suffer difficult times – or should that be most coaches enjoy a brief flirt with successful runs? – but there remains doubts as to whether Hadden has the answers. When media and supporters said that his side was poor against France, he was upset and said the press were over-critical. On Saturday night, he could not lay on how poor he thought the performance was in that opening match any thicker had he used a trowel. This helps him suggest progress from that first game. Some bizarre bounces and terrible refereeing decisions did lead to tries conceded by Scotland, but bad luck will always be a problem to a side that cannot score tries.

The next World Cup is three years away, but with the draw in December of this year Scotland must suddenly beat one, possibly two of the world's top three – Argentina, South Africa or New Zealand – to secure a top eight seeding in the 2011 tournament.

Hadden deserved all the credit he received for re-energising the Scotland team in his first two years and taking them to a World Cup quarter-final, but his side missed an opportunity to reach the last four and have now missed the rather unambitious first target set for the Six Nations, of two wins from five. These are stark facts. The 2008 tournament has only created more doubts about the direction in which Scotland's national team is headed.


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  • Last Updated: 16 March 2008 10:38 PM
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1

Robinski,

17/03/2008 01:51:38
Gatland and Edwards have set the standard in coaching. There's a respect and fear from the players that if they play poorly, they're dropped. Wales won the Grand Slam after going out of the RWC on a whimper. Scotland under Telfer was the same that Wales are now. Standards were high and he was able to inspire passion and make the best from megre resources.

We seem to have lost these traits. We need a new leader. Someone who has been there done it and was a scrapper on the field and knows the game inside out. He's the guy who can ignite the passion in the dressing room before the game, can deal with the media and the SRU buffites. Is there anyone out there who can stand up to the plate?? I think it could be John Beattie...

2

Aligator,

17/03/2008 02:22:42
I have been a life long (50 years) supporter of the my Edinburgh club (nameless), Edinburgh (in its various guises) and Scotland. I have waited and waited over many years, stayed loyal, and have had occasional moments of excitement (like when we beat the English). But with the selection of Dan Parks (who is a good enough player when he is playing well) for this last Italy game I finally lost it. A conservative, 'playing the theoretical odds' approach to rugby does not work (it may work for golf however) but NOT in team sports like rugby were a basic game plan and individual spark is so important. PLEASE SAVE SCOTTISH RUGBY FOR THOSE OF (too old to now play) HAVE TO WATCH.
3

parks is colin nish,

cape town 17/03/2008 05:13:40
dan parks has put hadden in a corner with his enept displays. FH blames the media for being harsh, but we (fans)are not stupid and all can see that parks is not up to it, carrying on picking parks, who lets be honest nobody wants in the team, is not fair even on parks.Since FH picked a b team to play nz in the world cup he proved then that his 'goal' was to achieve the minimun required to save his job.
if the Sru has any guts(which i doubt)it should be filling in some p45's this morning
4

inoui,

Jomtien 17/03/2008 07:54:02
Can this mean things are getting better?
#3 Can't see the SRU filling out their own p45s.
5

Alistair Macintosh,

Edinburgh. 17/03/2008 08:12:25
Hadden may be a good coach, but he's an awful selector. His loyalty to players who have lost form undermines the team, and his continued selection of a player as dreadful as Parks has to make his position as Scotland coach untenable.
I am a season ticket holder with Edinburgh but my trips to Scottish internationals have become more and more infrequent. I am certainly not paying good money to watch Parks throw the game away.
6

Couperman,

Orpington 17/03/2008 08:15:01
I don't really blame Parks for his errors and misjudgements - although I have been quick to do so in the past - and I almost felt sorry for him on Saturday because he clearly didn't want to be there.
Hadden - you picked him, you played him and you ignored the fact that he again and again failed to step up to the mark. Do the honourable thing and get your sword out and fall on it like a man before the SRU give you a "complete vote of confidence" and shove you!
7

Rodboy,

17/03/2008 08:27:09
Hadden has brought on himself the barrage of criticism currently being received and it is hard to see how his limited coaching abilities can take the Scotland team further.

After each dire performance a plethora of predictable excuses are trotted out and with each utterance his credibility falls further. Contrary to what some sycophantic press correspondents say performance in the RWC was mediocre at best with dull uninspiring rugby being the norm. The obsession with Dan Parks is inexplicable - given loads of time and space he can kick to touch but ask him to make a tackle or get a back line moving and he is lost a fact that is as apparent when he plays for Glasgow as much as when he turns out for Scotland.

If the present coaching regime and selection policy remains unaltered I predict many empty seats at Murrayfield come the autumn internationals.
8

johnnyscotsman,

Newcastle via Linlithgow 17/03/2008 08:30:57
2007 6 Nations, World Cup & 2008 6 Nations, thats 3 tornaments I have squirmed through.

Hadden benefited from the countrywide sigh of relief at the sacking of Matt Williams but since then Scotland have badly regressed to the point of not even being competative.

Hadden's insistence in choosing Parks ,a player who is so far out of his depth @ international level, & then "force" him to play a style that is alien to him takes my breath away.

The replacements on Saturday with only Henderson (a solid club player) an option is a seriously flawed selection policy.

Subsequent to the matches the interviews with Hadden have become an embarrassing joke, "Parks had an immaculate match v England" March 2008 - "we could have beat them if we wanted to" v Italy 2007.

Frank if you have any honour do as Couperman states #6..........PLEASE
9

I just thought....,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 08:36:38
Hadden has to go! It's quite clear for everybody to see, the team has under performed consistently throughout this years tournament. As a country, if we want to improve we can't be happy with a win over a very poor English team in a dreadful game of rugby. We have to aspire to better. FH's loyalty to poor performing player, reluctance to select players in form and inability to generate a performance from players has to be the signal that it time to end this school teacher reign.
10

Upandunder,

Naewhere 17/03/2008 08:50:38
Hadden did the job that was needed (ie: repair the destruction of the Matt Williams era) but simply now has to step down.

To have the amount of ball we did against a lack-lustre Ireland side and lose 1-5 on tries is unacceptable. To lead 17-10 at Flaminio and end up losing is equally unforgivable.

And how many times has Parks cost us a game? Think the pass to Rhys Williams in the 2005 debacle. Think the chargedowns at home to Ireland last year and against Argentina. Think Italy on Saturday. He's had too many stabs at 10 and keeps letting us down.

Ask yourselves this: Would Warren Gatland/Shaun Edwards keep picking Parks? No !!!
11

Exiled Tweedsider,

salisbury 17/03/2008 08:52:54
Frank Hadden is a great statistics man, but as the saying goes there are "lies, damn lies and statistics". We may have made more passes than the other nations, won more ball in the opposition 22 etc, but it is the quality of the play that has gone along with these statistics that has been very poor and this fault has got to lie at the feet of the coaching staff. Oh and out of interest does Frank Hadden include the Dan Parks intercepts in his passing statistics?
12

parks is colin nish,

cape town 17/03/2008 08:54:25
quotes by frank hadden

"Where we started in the Six Nations was a very low point and we've made steady progress throughout this championship," WELL, WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS TO GET US TO THE LOW POINT

"If we had got the result we merited today it would've been testament to the character of our players.
SO A SCRAPPED WIN AGAINST ITALY IS THE EXTENT OF OUR AMBITIONS.

"We've managed to make steady progress game-on-game."
WELL, WE WILL LEAVE EVERYONE WHO READS THIS TO MAKE UP THERE OWN MIND ON THAT.

THE MORE HE SAYS THE MOVE FOOLISH HE LOOKS AS EVERYONE CAN SEE THE PROBLEMS APART FROM HIM.
HOPEFULLY SOMEONE AT THE SRU(WHO ARE SURELY SQUIRMING AT THIS DEBACLE)WILL PUT FH OUT HIS MISERY


13

ThePigThatShotTheMoon,

Amsterdam 17/03/2008 08:55:25
It should be clear now that after not building on the world cup, after only one win this season, that Frank Hadden should step aside. His selection policies baffle me, none more so than the continued selection of Dan Parks. He played with no cofidence on Saturday, and his mistakes cost us the game. Parks and Hadden should not be seen in Scotland colours again.

The new man should be in place for the next round of matches, given that person the opportunity to experiment ahead of next years Six Nations.

Frank, thanks for the memories. Anyone got Jake White's number?


14

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17/03/2008 08:57:21
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calum,

Banchory 17/03/2008 09:02:05
Just got back from Rome late last night and from the spectators's point of vie, having been at all this year's games (and spent a bloody fortune into the bargain), the problems with Hadden are obvious.
A good coach he may be, but he is tactically unsound and naive. He palys a game from the point of not losing it, rather than from winning it and all his teams are set up to suit. There are decent players available to Scotland but many of his fathfuls simply don't cut it at international level. We lack true leadership on the pitch (although Blair has done well) and we utterly lack the ability to change a game. The Italians were more street wise than us and they could've won 3 games this year.
Scotland have become a laughing stock and the wooden spoon favourites and our patent inability to play positive rugby is putting our game further and further behind everyone else.
Frank Hadden cannot change his tactics and in every game this year the side have deteriorated in the 2nd half which makes me wonder what the hell is going on at half-time. The England game was not a reflection of anything good about our game apart from being able to tackle well for once against the worst English performance I've seen against us for 25 years.
Sorry, Frank, you're a nice fella but ...... what positives could you possibly take from our 2nd half performance at Flaminio. If you had spoken to the many dejected fans drifting away from the ground in the sun you would know what to do.
16

Muileach,

Tobermory 17/03/2008 09:04:59
The fact is that the current, and recent, and near future crop of players are actually not at all bad. They have all shown tremendous skill, spirit and endeavour at certain times, sporadically, occasionally. They are, individually and collectively, very good.
Now, over the years we have watched Scotland teams sporadically, occasionally, cut loose and enjoy themselves, play startling rugby with a sense of fun and certainty of their own abilities to attack and defend. 1982 at Cardiff, 1999 in Paris, my goodness, just last year at Murrayfield in the WC warm-up game against Ireland. Trouble is, we also have managed occasionally to get stuffed, particularly in the early pro days, by 30, 40 and 50 points by the southern hemisphere nations and also England and Wales.
So what do we do to avoid these thumpings? We engage a complete damage limitation strategy and play like the objective of the game is to hang on in there until the final whistle blows when we can safely talk about incremental improvements and statistics.
Result, well we avoid most big thumpings, but we stop believeing we can play to win, we forget that we're actually good. We also find that the strategy is flawed if we drop the ball when the presure is on. We still manage to get thumped and no one has any fun at all.
Compare, for a second, the fitba experience. After the "shame" and "disgrace" of Argentina 1978, we "needed" a steady hand at the tiller to avoid the embarrassment of actually believeing for a minute that we might be good enough to win something. The priority was to avoid those embarrassing results. Result - stability and incremental improvements.
Well I remember it differently. I remember the 2 years prior to 1978 as just fabulously exciting when we played with spirit and belief, and the 25 years after 1978 as a wilderness when we descended to the turgid and unwatchable and Scottish football fell apart. And, hey, we still managed to achieve those embarrassing results when it counted.
M
17

Muileach,

Tobermory 17/03/2008 09:05:51
My point, at length, is what is the point of playing any sport if you don't actulally believe in yourself and your teammates, particularly as with the current crop of players, if you do have the talent and skills to be able to compete.
It's just so frustrating!!!
18

voltaire's janny,

17/03/2008 09:07:14
How quickly the fans turn. It is myopic to blame the luckless Parks. This game was lost because of a push-over try - very harsh, and the decision by hero Mikey Blair to decline a slottable penalty with a lead of three. At this level games turn on tiny moments and while it is true that Scotland had p*sh refereeing in 3/5 games none of the other teams, save France on opening day, was noticeably better than our boys.

The missing factor is not tries, it's guile. The likes of Martyn Williams spends the tournament the wrong side of the law and is appauded. Scotland needs a mean streak and not the easily provoked flailings of Hines.

How many times did we win ball, leave it sat like a turd on a pool table behind the ruck, only to watch an opposition player step round and play it with not a peep from the ref?

As the article says, we were up there in all departments - except nous.
19

Ian, Yorkshire,

17/03/2008 09:17:39
I have time for Frank Hadden as an individual but the extent of his ambitions were made plain in the World Cup when a quarter final place was viewed as success. In previous years that would have been an absolute minimum. The core squad has promise but as long as their talents are stifled by limited expectations we will not make any more progress. Unfortunately we threw the Italy game away, when we had control and only needed to be patient to register another score which would have finished it. The individual mistakes which cost the game were crystal-clear to see but it is the responsibility of the coach to respond accordingly.
20

Karl G,

Switzerland 17/03/2008 09:20:41
Is there anything to be announced in the coming few weeks? Review of progress, decision on the renewal of Hadden's contract?

Anything? Please?

My grandfather was Welsh, so it was nice for me to watch Wales winning the Grand Slam on Saturday, but Scotland will always be my number one team.

I just can't describe how despondent I am at the moment. I look at the performances under Hadden and I really wonder how much lower we have to go and how many more points Dan Parks has to give away before something will be done.

Worst Option

Hadden stays but admits that he was wrong about Parks and guarantees that he'll try and play a more attacking game.

Best Option

Hadden resigns/is kicked further than a Parks kick (wouldn't be hard) and the SRU announces they are going to aim for someone like Jake White.

Most Likely Option.

Sweet F*** All changes, and we continue our slide into oblivion.
21

parks is colin nish,

cape town 17/03/2008 09:21:03
#18, so the parks and his two interceptions and countless other mistakes had nothing to do with us losing. There was nothing wrong with the pen try. If you watch, scotland broke the scrum and collapsed in three places and the italian 8 were still as one going forward.
22

calum,

Banchory 17/03/2008 09:21:31
#18 Are we not right to turn? Having spent somewhere of the order of £6k this season (incl. RWC) on trips, planes, tickets, beer, time off etc. etc., have fans not the right to complain about what has been painfully obvious for over a year?
Loyalty is earned, not a right.
23

tubster,

work 17/03/2008 09:24:55
Funny, in the stand around us on Saturday people were actually feeling sorry for Parks; and they are right. He works hard, does his best, and you can't blame him for turning up when he is picked. What is clear is that he is way out of his depth and I think he and his colleagues know it. The look on his face after yet another miss pass interception, and the reaction of his team mates - making an effort to console him and support him - said it all.
24

Elvis G,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 09:27:42
I said at the start of the season that the SRU should not have reappointed Hadden after a negative and unambitious world cup-remember we didn't even bother to put our "best team" out against the All Blacks and should have opened up against Argentina. (Oh remember the last action of the game? Yep, Parks kicking the ball in an attempted cross kick when it was the last move of the game!)

His loyalty to Parks is incomprehensible. When Walker pulled out last week whay not bring in Cairns at centre or even bring back Henderson for one game? No!Move Parks who has had an utterly miserable season even by his low standards to stand off and put Paterson back on the wing.And the outcome on Saturday was frankly predictable although nobody could have predicted that Parks would effectively give 14 points away!

How many people will continue to go to Murrayfield if Hadden remains in charge? If he had any self respect he would go now.

However, the SRU should have done what Wales did after the World Cup-go out and look for the best available coach. A year too late now but they should start looking now and let Frank go back to schoolboy rugby before he does any more damage.

What a disappointing season, thoroughly depressing.
25

MBR,

17/03/2008 09:37:18
#18 I agree that Scotland seem to lack nous and have done so for some time now. Teams like the All Blacks seem to have this "nous" bred into them from grass roots and in a game with so many variables playing the ref is one of the most important elements. We can however hope that the game does not include too many examples of the antics of players like Wales's Lee Byrne (is he Didier Drogba in disguise?) who acts like he has been shot in cynical attempts to win penalties.

The decision to play Parks at 10 was beyond belief as anyone who witnessed his performances (especially against Italy in previous encounters) can testify. If a coach as inept as Brian Ashton can make a pretty momentous decision to drop Wilkinson then by all accounts Parks should be nowhere near the Scotland 22 as he was as bad if not worse. Even the Scotland players were shaking their heads at his ineptitude during the game which makes me wonder why they voted him their player of the season last year!?

If Hadden cannot select the right players, prepare them properly (we have the same time as all other international teams) and then organize and motivate them then what does he actually do? If he does not get the sack for the latest debacle then I fear for attendances at Murrayfield next season. His post match comments are so detached from reality that they make each subsequent loss all the more hard to bear.

Gutted that the England win now seems to be merely an opportunity for the likes of small minded idiots like Alex Salmond to be anti-English. Although England will always be the match us Scots love to win surely in the modern era we should be hoping for more and this makes the loss to Italy even more depressing.
26

Egg Chasing Ape,

Purgatory! 17/03/2008 09:47:35
Guess what the SRU marketing Dept in their wisdom have sent out this morning? Details of the NZ/SA/Canada Autumn tests and an assurance that because there will be a heavy demand for tickets (!) that rugby clubs will have an allocation of tickets put aside for them!

Given the feelings of Scottish Rugby fans at present I can't see a mad rush from any one, clubs or public!!!


27

Doc Martin,

Dundee 17/03/2008 09:49:14
This quote "failed to make progress after the RWC" keeps coming up.... but I am afraid we have not made any progress for atleast 2 years.

The only reason we got to the QF was we had Italy in our group, and even then their kicker missed a few. FH has been duping us with cliches and sound bites. We want to play an expansive game... then why pick Dan Parks!

We have the talent... and we have seen just what a good coach can do with Wales.
28

Haddenough!!!,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 09:55:56
I find it utterly incomprehensible the number of fans who try to defend Dan Parks. Dan Parks was the sole reason that Scotland lost the game on Saturday! His inability to read a game is bewildering, more so given the fact that he has 42 caps. Scotland made 16 errors on Saturday and Dan Parks was solely responsible for 9 of those, costing 14 points. Not good enough!! True, it could be argued, as #18 does, that the decision not to take 3 easy points contributed to our losing however, were it not for Parks, Italy would have been so far out of the game that the 3 points should not have mattered!

Scotland are not a bad side (without Dan Parks)and there are undoubted talents coming through the ranks at 'A' level and Under 20 level, surely now would be the time to introduce these players to full test level. However, I've a funny feeling that, if Frank Hadden remains at the helm, backed up and supported by the old duffers who sit in their ivory towers at the SRU, a change of tactics could be some way off!!!
29

parks is colin nish,

cape town 17/03/2008 10:02:26
haddens comments, whats the saying about giving enough rope

Dan has been effective for Scotland for such a long period that I've got a lot of confidence in him. You have to remember that the two interceptions were by Parisse, a world class player, taking a gamble.
NO, HE MIGHT JUST HAVE WATCHED A VIDEO OF PREVIOUS HORROR SHOWS

"The other thing was that Chris had been struggling with a hip problem. He hasn't been running freely all week, so there wasn't an ideal solution available."
WELL IF HE'S INJURED HE'S INJURED DON'T PLAY HIM, MUPPET

Even so, it was a controversial move and Hadden admitted that constant media attacks on Parks may have affected how he performed.

"I made it very clear to him that I just wanted him to play his normal game, because I trusted his normal game in the circumstances," he said. "However, he got a bit flatter than usual and I don't know if that's maybe because he's felt a bit of criticism from people, but it doesn't suit him. It's not the best place for him to operate.

"He came unstuck a couple of times, but he still made a huge contribution to the game.

CAN FH EXPLAIN IN DETAIL WHAT HIS 'HUGE' CONTRIBUTION WAS.

I feel sorry for the guys, like #22 that have drudged round europe to watch this rubbish, hopefully canada will only send a development squad and as for argentina this summer, the only way we will frighten them is if we take 5000 marines with us.
30

dourauldscot,

London 17/03/2008 10:03:31
I have always tried to avoid participating in the Hadden bashing which has been turned into a bit of an art form on these pages. However, he just seems to have developed a stubborn siege mentality. This weekend he was handed a great oppertunity to experiment. With Nikki Walkers injury and the need to move Simon Webster to the wing he basicall had a get out of jail free card to give someone like Cairns a go at centre. We had just beaten the English with a solid performance and the Scottish public would have been forgiving if he had just swallowed his pride, dropped Parks and tried something new. Morrison has been a big success in my eyes and to add Cairns to the mix would have been the right move in my opinion. Hadden passed up this oppertunity, put his pride above Scotlands future development and must now go.
31

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 10:39:02
Parks error rate on Saturday was astounding! Almost as astounding as Hadden picking him. Almost as astounding that it is now almost 11 on Monday and no statement from SRU saying Hadden has resigned.

32

Hooly Chunk,

Struggling to sell "How to Coach and play stand of 17/03/2008 10:41:54
I think the time has come to face facts about Scottish rugby. We don't have the money to attract guys like Jake White, there is no point in simply handing someone like Andy Robinson the task of coaching the national team expecting everything to be rosy thereafter and Dan Parks did play a game that will probably give him sleepless nights for a good while.

With Jake White having bought a house in London (so the rumours go) I'd say his thoughts are of a Lion or Red Rose variety not a slightly limp thistle. We can't simply view the Welsh coaching set up with drooling envy then think who do we have like Shaun Edwards because the answer is, there is no one like Shaun Edwards in Scotland - yet. Guys like John Beattie have only been coaching at club level (and he has to practice his commentary skills!) so can't be thrown in to a national arena even as an assistant. There is no quick fix as far as coaching is concerned but on the player side I think Dan P should probably get back to playing kick the ball against the lamp post back in his home town.

Maybe an option is to hire Eddie O'Sullivan when the Irish boot him out. That way we can detest the national coach right from day one!!!
33

scot in Dublin,

17/03/2008 10:48:45
until hadden goes I am boycotting Scottish Rugby. He clearly has no grasp of the situation Scottish rugby is in and no idea how to drag ourselves out of it. we played good rugby in the first half of the italy because we kept the ball in hand and tried to play some rugby. hadden very obviously then told the boys at half time to go back to our boring guff totally ineffective kicking/territorial game. no surprise then we scored zero points in the 2nd half. Get a grip Haddon -put us all out of our misery please.
34

Big Smoke,

17/03/2008 10:49:13
I am amazed at the rhino skin on Hadden, Surely he should have written his resignation last night and handed it in this morning! He really does beleive in himself doesn't he? shame no one else does now!
35

Red Dykes,

Highland 17/03/2008 10:57:14
I will not be darkening Murrayfield's turnstiles until the SRU removed Hadden. They could play their Autumn tests at Meggatland.........Half empty Murrayfield again....no matter how much "progress" Mr Hadden insists we're making....you can't fool the fans...and his post-match utterances smack of a man who hasn't a clue where to go next, other than to try and keep his job.
36

shrek4,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 11:13:03
Thing is folks, there is no point having a great forward thinking coach brought in. One year of the old grey men of the SRU and he'll turn tail and not look back. The rot comes from the top as demonstrated by the lack of willingness to save the borders team. I think Frank suits the SRU very well. It doesn't suit me however to endure such drivel and then have to listen to his bull***t after each game. I'll not be at Murrayfield whilst the current regime is in place. We're falling further and further behind other countries and the sad thing is we CAN compete - but for how much longer :(
37

Slippylizard,

Sunny Rock 17/03/2008 11:39:23
Oh no! This article seems to suggest Hadden staying. He has to go now, has he not resigned yet? How he has the brass neck to stand in front of us and tell us our team is improving I will never know. His inability to make appropriate selections is remarkable. I have also spent quite alot of money this year on the SRU and I am not going back until Hadden has gone. I have strongly believed for a long time now that he is not the man for the job. He is full of hot air and we need to see someone deflate him and bring in some fresh air.
38

Nelly,

Paris 17/03/2008 11:44:06
We need to put things into perspective - FH has his abilities, and as I have said before these lie in being a team manager or analysis man - but he is not sadly the national head coach material.

He is to that post what parks is to 10. Hard working, dutiful, passionate - but just not there.

Scotland have progressed under his guidance, no doubt about it - they are bigger, fitter etc but then so is everyone else.

The balance however is not right - especially in 3 vital areas :-

1)Key Selection (Parks v Mossy, before him MDR, etc)

2)Tactics - not enough variety to trouble defences (RWC was too boring and too easy to defend against)

3)Paranoia with bulk over Brains - the team needed to bulk up but this is still more a defense weapon than an offensive one - as Shane Williams etc shows to great effect and how Shane Horgan shows how not do it compared to the likes of BOD et al.

Coaches seek loyalty from the players but it is the jersey they should both be loyal too - then there is no problem with committment.

As I have suggested before - move Frank upstairs and use the abilities he has - team manager with good analatical abilities - cast the net wide for the next head coach and make sure the likes of Lineen are fed into the system to be selected after.



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Karl G,

Switzerland 17/03/2008 11:46:11
"Dan has been effective for Scotland for such a long period that I've got a lot of confidence in him. You have to remember that the two interceptions were by Parisse, a world class player, taking a gamble."

"He came unstuck a couple of times, but he still made a huge contribution to the game."

I'M UTTERLY F***ING SPEECHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40

BobbyN,

Herts 17/03/2008 11:49:51
Not that it makes any difference now but was Perisse's pass that led to the try, a forward one? The Scotttish 22 line makes a good reference point.
But the main question is, who would replce Hadden? Whose queuing up to take the job? I think the talent is there in the squad but they need to believe in themselves. The only comfort I have at the moment is the win against England. This keeps them at bay for another year!!
41

SHELDON THE CRACK DEALER,

17/03/2008 12:08:29
F888 me, every team we play has world class players taking gambles, where does that leave us when Parks plays 10?

F888d maybe?

C'mon Haddock, I understand you want to protect a loyal player who only does what YOU ask him to, but whatever it is - confidence, committment, perihperal vision - that makes a decent out half at that level, Dan Parks lacks it.

Maybe he's OK for Glasgow, but please put him (and us) out of our misery and don't pick him again.
42

SHELDON THE CRACK DEALER,

17/03/2008 12:27:09
I think Chris Eubank should be involved in the Scotland coaching set up.

I think a Muslim convert who says his favourite meal is "Pork Knuckle" could have some interesting insights into our well documented fly half problems.
43

Keithie Boy,

St Albans 17/03/2008 12:50:16
I'm never keen on blaming the coach for all ills but I think it's fair to say that Hadden, surely, is done. He did a great job in a crisis but now we clearly need something new. As he has become more desperate for a result so the team have become more conservative and risk averse. They look uncomfortable. After 2006 it looked like we were going to push on but 2007 was a disappointment. The excuse to injuries could only last so long. So sorry, Frank, time for the P45. I rather fancy than Robinson might be a good choice. I rather feel he's got his lust for the game back and he has the ambition of somebody with something to prove (the English media especially). There are good coaches around. Basil down at Gloscester (Shaun Edwards type arrangement) and Lineen to mention only a few. We do have options. My biggest fear is that the SRU will bottle it and not make the change. Time to show some balls!
As for Dan Parks. Well I do feel a little sorry for him. He is committed to the cause but he clealy isn't good enough for this level. A good solid club player trying to be more than he is. His faults are too numerous and are well covered. Surely his time is up ( I thought that back in 2005 and was wrong...). Options there are more difficult. Chris P I think has missed that particular boat sadly. It's a shame to think of what he could have been had we stuck with him at 10 all those years ago. But he doesn't get a game at his club so I think we maybe have to look to something completely new. Godman might make the grade and even Mikey Blair's brother might be good enough. We need to nuture some fresh talent there as we have done in other positions. But I have this horrible sickening feelign that in a year we will have the same team and the same coaches and the same talk of progress. I give up.
44

Bladerunner,

A hard rain is gonna fall 17/03/2008 12:54:18
Is the Haddock instructed to make these ridiculous pronouncements by his SRU (Sh*t Rubbish Union) masters ? It was their collective incompetence that foisted this wee coward Desperate Pants onto us in the first place. Get rid of them both McKie
or you will be gone soon too.
45

Sedov,

Scotland 17/03/2008 12:59:18
Well done Wales - this is truly a national game for all classes in Wales which is why rugby is so popular in Wales. Watched the Scotland game on a big screen in a busy working mans club in Scotland. Out of the fifty or so in the hall there were fewer than half a dozen interested in the game, even when Scotland scored. This summed up the difference between the two countries -but once again, after watching all the matches, I still criticise the amount of rules about "gates", off side, standing or sitting or handling or kicking in ruck and mauls which stop the natural flow of the game - even the experts commentating were baffled at times so what chance has the lay person got in understanding the thousand and one rules - this needs to addressed as the hype and nationalism cannot sustain this stutter forever, especiallly in Scotland. A bit like the off side rules in football I fear.
46

SHELDON THE CRACK DEALER,

17/03/2008 13:05:47
Sedov, as a drug dealer I find that I sell something of considerable interest to the Central belt working class. Bizarrely, my wares also have a dedicated custom base amongst the higher echelons of SRU management.

47

SHELDON THE CRACK DEALER,

17/03/2008 13:12:49
Seriously Sedov, rugby has tried hard to broaden its appeal. The current national team probably has fewer privately educated players than the england national team, where rugby has 1.5m registered players and traditional classless support for the game in well populated areas such as the South West and East Midlands.

We're not helped by numerous chippy pols who think rugby is a posh boys' sport though, and I'm sure your working mens' club mates watched the England game with interest.

First stop, though, is to help ourselves by picking the right team and winning some games.
48

Bordererinengland,

17/03/2008 13:27:21
There is without a doubt agreement re the solution to the problem but will the SRU take any notice? I doubt it.

More and more posters appear to be saying they won't be attending the Autumn tests if Hadden is in charge. I certainly endorse that view and will not be there. That will be hard for the players selected and yes I obviously include Dan Parks amongst them but I'm afraid that's the only action that will make the SRU take notice.

Enough is enough....let's see how the SRU react when faced with a reduced income stream and job cuts are threatened?

49

JSM,

glasgow 17/03/2008 13:48:31
The only "progress from game to game" that Scotland are making is down the world rankings.

Only on Planet Hadden could there be any confidence for the future after Scotland's woeful performances in the 6N, and we didn't play much rugby in the WC either.

One has to commiserate with the players who, no doubt, have worked hard for little reward and it is unfair to heap so much opprobrium directly on Parks - after all if he's selected he'll turn up.

At least Hadden et al. arrested the freefall under Williams, but the Scotland coach appears increasingly lost and bewildered, and simply out of his depth.

However, is there anybody out there ???
50

JonJon,

Newcastle 17/03/2008 14:44:09
At the start of the season, we were confident we'd make an impact on this years 6N (FH) As of today we're confident we'll make an impact in the not too distant future, yet we've made progress - go figure!!
51

Jammer,

London 17/03/2008 15:14:46
The lynch-pin of all rugby teams is widely acknowledged to the 8, 9, 10 nexus. We have never been short of 8s or 9s, but since the 80's we have had no-one of any calibre at 10 - we have neither developed nor fostered young talents through the system - there have been no role models for our youngsters to aspire to be - apart from english ones of course. The whole sorry affair has culminated in names like Hodge and Parks being associated with that once famous 10 jersey - a jersey which excited creativity, bravery and a love for the country. Parks is possibly the worst player to have ever donned that famous jersey, inherited from the second worse player, Hodge.


A poll to see who agrees? Who are the worst two players to wear 10 for Scotland?
52

weewillie,

kilmore 17/03/2008 15:40:21
I've got a bottle of Glenmorangie named "The Grand Slam Dram" to be opened when we win it again or maybe even sell it on E-Bay. I think Frank and Dan, I'm sorry to say, have made it safe for another day.
Wee {sober} Willie
53

RJD,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 17:01:12
Hadden's comment:

"He came unstuck a couple of times, but he still made a huge contribution to the game"

ITS TRUE, ITALY WOULDN'T HAVE WON THE GAME WITHOUT DAN PARKS
54

voltaire's janny,

17/03/2008 17:07:56


I wisnae defending Hadden - just saying it's too easy to blame Parks.

On his pass to the best #8 in 6 nations: I was confident Webbo would get 'im - and he did - but even though the cross-field lob was forward, the rest of the Scots gave up and watched the try as spectators.

Frank is too nice for the game at this level - I'd not argue against him going. All I was saying is that the main missing element is attitude, not ambition, desire, skills etc

Get nasty. Look at Noon - no citation; Sheradon likewise. The dirtiest back in rugby - O 'Driscoll gets nothing but praise for his baby faced thuggery.

And the push over was harsh because Jacobsen slipped; no intent = another reset, in my view.
55

BigRon,

17/03/2008 17:30:56
Hadden has to go now. His thinking is limited and negative. His selection of Parks at 10 was unforgivable. He set the team up not to lose rather than to win.I was furious about Park`s selection before the game and just fed up afterwards.
I noticed that Shane Williams let slip in an interview after the Wales game that they were terrified of Shaun Edwards. Hadden is too cosy with this team.
No wonder Hadden has the backing of some of the Scotland team. He is prepared to tolerate sub standard performances.
56

FiBop,

Málaga 17/03/2008 17:59:33
Oh my boyfriend is giving me so much earache about winning...
C'mon Scotland gie ursels a kick up the backside.. plz!!!
57

not-Hamish,

fife 17/03/2008 19:20:10
Can't believe Haddock apparently said that 'Italy are a very good team'! Pardon? - why did they get stuffed by everyone except us for god's sake? That's 4 or 5 times they've humped us. How come they lost by 70-odd points to NZ in the world cup then and we can't even beat them - puts us in our place - last year's game at murrayfield against them was a nightmare. Still can't believe either that an ordinary Ireland side scored 5 (that's FIVE!) tries against us 2 weeks ago. Haddock should have been gone ages ago. Apparently we play NZ in the summer. Sounds like a day for staying in bed with the covers over your head!
58

Aubrey W,

Fyfe 17/03/2008 20:25:44
FH 'appears to lack the tactical answers to pull the team forward'.

Yep.

His performance target was only 40%. He achieved 20%.

Heck.

It's tough at the bottom.

59

Red Dykes,

HHighland 17/03/2008 22:34:04
As the night slips away - the sound of silence from Hospitality Towers is deafening...either that or they've put Hadbeen's straight jacket back on. This is going to cost you dearly SRU - if you don;t act - you could call the large empty stand opposite you the "Parkshadden" end. Income = survival. My money isn't going near Murrayshambles til something is done.
60

jdships,

18/03/2008 09:38:23
45 Sedov,Scotland

Sorry old son you need to get out more and speak to people and watch more club rugby.
If my team is not at home I go in search of a game in the lower divisions.
Not the greatest skill levels but for entertainment ,banter, commitment and sheer passion for the game one cannot find better.
Great afternoon out and a pint to follow in good company - highly recommend it !!
National 2,3, and East Regional should be your first ports of call and you will find teams packed with lads from State Schools.
Pro rugby may be the place "to be seen at" for many but club rugby is stiil my passion and will always get my support

No 47 I pretty well agree with all he has written
61

Bladerunner,

Trampled underfoot 18/03/2008 10:17:50
The SRU now have the temerity to e mail and try to punt tickets for the Autumn tests. Wild horses would not drag me to shell out hard earned to watch that crap. Until things change at Fawlty Towers I will not be back. I am not alone on this. Wise up McKie you t**ser!
62

DAN DARE, MEKON & CREW - frae ooter space, ken!!!,

OOTER SPACE, ye ken, wi' a' the Cummittie an' wive 19/03/2008 16:28:51
Rob Liver-Salts gets £400K pa oot o' the Are Eff You. "Pud" Gatland is on £300K pa plus performance bonus.

Yon Feckled-less Frannie "the Great Big Sair Granny's Fxnny" Haddie certain tae be oan ur aboot suchlike, comparable wi' yon ither apprentice clown, yon big baldy Lord "Spex" McKie o' Gordon. A' o' yon taks is richt up tae a nae bad £250K pa.

Easy munnie ur whit??
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SHELDON THE CRACK DEALER,

20/03/2008 11:51:51
Rob Andrew 400K? The loons have taken over the asylum...

I'm sure if he blacked up to resemble yon "ekthreme gentlefellow" he'd be worthy of a position as Mayor Ken's race adviser.

How does running a small, insolvent business like the SRU justify £230K per year? That's at least £70K over the odds in my book

This pay is all wildly inflated. The credit crunch and the recession which our banks and stock market are happily creating for us will surely do for this ridiculous exec pay benchmark.

 

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