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Published Date: 27 June 2009
THE SNP were accused of failing to deliver on promises of "a bonfire of the quangos" after new figures revealed an increase in the number of their employees.
After coming to office in 2007 the SNP promised to reduce the quango state set up in Scotland by the previous Labour/Liberal Democrat Scottish Executive.

However, a written answer from Finance Secretary John Swinney revealed the number of quango
employees rose from 7,165 when the SNP came to power to 7,305 in February earlier this year.

Another written answer showed only 198 people have taken early retirement or severance payments in that time.

The Scottish Government yesterday insisted that in reality there was a reduction because the figures included the agency Disclosure Scotland, which has joined the list of quangos.

If Disclosure Scotland was taken out of the equation there would be a reduction of 15 staff.

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "Actually this means the figures are good and we are pleased with what has been achieved."

However, Labour Lothians MSP Lord George Foulkes, who received the answers, claimed this was another broken SNP promise.

He put the failure of the bonfire of the quangos along with dropped policies on local income tax, reducing class sizes of P1 to P3 to 18, paying off student debt and giving first-time buyers a grant of £2,000.

"Even if it was a reduction of 15, that hardly represents a bonfire of the quangos," said Lord Foulkes. "But the reality is that the number of people employed under quangos has increased under the SNP.

"It is further proof the SNP made promises to win power and then failed to deliver."

He added that future figures should also include the creation of the £4.5 million Scottish Futures Trust, created by the SNP to push through infrastructure projects, but criticised in some quarters for doing nothing.





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  • Last Updated: 26 June 2009 10:36 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

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26/06/2009 23:41:41
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2

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 00:17:35
It was heartening to see Salmond at the Royal Highland Show yesterday, finally being seen in public with his wife.
3

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 00:22:06
#3 Spook (exam copier) what respect did this paper have in the 1860s?

Long time ago that. I remember seeing a photo from then. It showed Alex Salmond's wife watching Hibs lift the Scottish Cup.
4

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 00:25:34
#5 Spook, how does it feel to a degree? Must be a great feeling.

Whose name is on the certificate? Yours or the person who sat the exams for you?
5

redcliffe62,

27/06/2009 00:28:14
another day, another mad dog exclusive with a cerebral rant from fooks pasted as news.
one day mad dog will question fooks about his expenses and his apparent shadow role as a sub editor on the scotsman.
whether the news has validity is totally lost by mad dog and fooks being the spokespeople.
it just loses any credibility after years of combined spurious drivel; sorry but it does.
6

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 00:39:59
Hey Spook, travelling for a month? Superb news. I feel sorry all the same for the poor people in Craig Tara who will have the unfortunate experience of being in the next caravan to yours.
7

Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 27/06/2009 00:40:32
I'm sorry to be negative about the SNP as I long for Scottish independence but I have to agree that there does appear to have been a failure to deal with the overabundance of these unelected and largely unrepresentative groups. Surely it should be quite simple to weed out the most useless quangos and disband them, thus saving money, something that we all want government to do.

I know Baron Fufufufur Foulkes Sake is a hypocritical wee toerag and I hate to be even close to siding with him but I think the SNP really should be tackling this problem.

Of course Mad Dog is having a rant in this article. A calm approach would have carried more weight but progress really should be a priority on this matter.
8

Brianwci,

27/06/2009 00:47:15
Don't you just love all of those 'SNP FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS' stories from the hootsman?

They never seem to tire of them whilst happily ignoring the real news that proper newspapers report. (Have they heard about poor Michael's death yet?)

The Angus by-election where the SNP got around 65% of the vote has been completely ignored by this once proud NEWSpaper.

There was no London Labour candidate owing to massive incompetence in failing to notice their proposed candidate didn't live within the county....no time to get another one.

But then we couldn't expect the hootsman to write the truth. The British Nationalists are in enough trouble without adding to their worries.



9

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 00:51:23
#10 saw your name in the papers?

Yes I did. The story about the missing link.

I still wonder what you were doing in that swamp in Germany mind you.
10

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 00:55:19
#14

Hey Brian, where is Traquir these days?

Is if heading up your rapid response team down the bingo halls armed with his tiny urls?

Ha Ha ha ha
11

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 00:55:38
What row? Oh! The one Foulkes is trying to conjure up. With help from this apology for a newspaper,of course.

12

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 00:56:49
#18 talking to yourself again?
13

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 00:58:29
Hey Spook, travelling the world? Which country's passport do you have?
14

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 01:04:32
26 Great to hear you are a British Subject.

God save the queen and a big Rule Britannia to you.
15

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 01:08:05
Hey Spook have you taken the Britishness Test yet?

16

DialMforMurdoX,

27/06/2009 01:09:04
Whereas Jerry has no passport, due to the constraints of his ASBO. Still banned from Facebook old cove?
17

Sgian Achlais,

27/06/2009 01:10:10
Saw the article on google news. Seen the first line "SNP accused..." and wondered what Lord Haw Haw was saying today.

Does this man receive money from the hootsman. He seems to be constantly available for comment. Laughable bias to quote the same disgraced numpty almost daily.

Anyway the number of voluntary redundancies was lower than expected due probably to economic climate. Most sensible people are staying put in current jobs if possible as nobody wants to be in job market at moment.

If the SNP had done compulsory redundancies Lord Haw Haw would be complaining about that also.

Most importantly the SNP have the right ideas and strategy for Scotlands betterment. Obviously the delivery is more difficult than the policy. A sensible person would understand this.

Labour have the wrong policies and the tories have no policies. I do not know what the Lib Dems stand for.

Leaving the SNP by default the only party for a sensible Scotsman. It was never going to be easy to fix 300 years of mismanagement on pocket money and reserved powers. But their is only one party that has a chance.
18

Edward,

27/06/2009 01:20:08
So another anti SNP piece, while eleswhere the paper laps up the mental leaders largess with our money that we havent actually got.
Lord Haw Haw so far eluding the men in white coats trying to get the straight jacket on him!
19

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 01:36:33
32
Sgian Achlais

"Anyway the number of voluntary redundancies was lower than expected due probably to economic climate."

A very plausible explanation that seems to have eluded the Foulkes-Maddox tag team.

I don't know Maddox. But you have to suppose he must be the dominant partner in this relationship. It couldn't possibly be Foulkes. Could it?

20

Conan the Librarian™,

http://mypseudepigrapha.blogspot.com/ 27/06/2009 03:23:17
Still here Rufus? The dream Hootsmon frontpage above.
21

Nikostratos,,

27/06/2009 07:50:50
Every Government of all political persuasions have to reward its supporters and those who they wish to influence.........

Quango's are a time honored way of doing this and the SNP are doing exactly the same as everybody else.

its just the normal run of the mill political corruption if anybody thought for one nanosecond the snp would be any more honest and decent than others..

More fool them.........

the snp are are gonna fill their boots with gold from the public purse and let their supporters aboard the Gravy train.....

all abooooooard......toot toot!!
22

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 07:57:13
#37 Niko, so who would be the Fat Controller?
23

M78,

Tain 27/06/2009 08:44:51
Maddox--why don'tyou follow McDonnell---AND GO!!
24

Rasco,

27/06/2009 09:05:58
#39 Do you know where he has gone.???????????
25

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 09:44:18
Yes time to get rid of Mad dog, the political Editor who left last week was much less biased.
Really becoming boring reading this guy.
26

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 10:01:35
Yet another empty boast from Mr Salmond coming back to bite him on his well-proportioned bhaookie....bonfire of the quangos indeed.
27

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 10:16:01
42 Grahamski,

Graham, we need a General Election to get rid of those we think are not to be trusted.(you and I now differ in our choices, of course)
Let the people speak and get Government moving again we are in the Doldrums and need a good old fashioned political rammy.

The people have moved on but the politicians are stuck in the past.
28

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 10:24:19
TWC
It is the opposition's job to bleat about a general election. Of course, it's not for the people's benefit as those in opposition claim but for their own benefit.
29

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 10:34:21
43 TWC,exLabour 27/06/2009 10:16:01
42 Grahamski,
Graham, we need a General Election to get rid of those we think are not to be trusted.(you and I now differ in our choices, of course)
===================================================

You need a General Election because you want Labour out.

Let's face it, no politicians are to be trusted.

Labour will call an election when it decide it suits them best within the next year.

That is its prerogative.
30

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 10:34:26
44 Grahamski,Falkirk

That's rubbish Graham, Labour are absolutely wetting themselves, No support, falling Membership, no money and the Voters are in revolt.

I don't even know who I'm going to vote for as I think there will be a huge push for all parties to say they will go beyong Calma now it has collapsed.

Though it is unlikely to be Labour unless Frank Field is the leader.
31

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 10:47:30
46
It never fails to amaze me how Frank Field is held up as some kind of saintly figure.
He's a reactionary old goat.
32

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 10:47:32
Frank Field?

He claims £200 a month expenses for the cleaning of his flat.

He must be making a hell of a mess in there if he is being charged that much.
33

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 10:49:53
Frank Field has as much chance of being the next Labour Leader as Keith Vaz has of replacing Nick Griffin as the head of the BNP.
34

walter,

27/06/2009 10:58:16
There were 199 of those bodies (Quangos) when the SNP took power.
They said they intended to have a Bonfire of the Quangos and I suppose they did, They slashed at that 199 that existed.
Where they misled us was when they gave the impression that when they got rid of all these Quangos they did not say they intended to replace them with more or employ just as many people in the structures of these bodies.
35

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:06:34
#4 #6 #8#12# 16 etc etc...#49 "Jerry Springer"

What a sad, unedifying spectacle. This poor Jerry Springer chap, maniacally posting from midnight, through the small hours, and back first thing at 7am.

Surely this sad creature must have no life?

Is the sad cove in the grip of some zealous, missionary zeal to pound his keyboard pointlessly night and day, or is the poor wee sausage very lonely and unfulfilled?

Either way, reading his posts, reeking as they do with bitter emptiness and an almost palpable desperation for attention and friends is like watching a car crash.

Get some fresh air for goodness sake you sad creature!
36

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 11:06:36
"Rather than the "bonfire of the quangos" - first pledged by Labour in 1995 and repeated by Henry McLeish, then first minister, in 2001 - there are now 11,400 Scots working for quangos: an increase of 3,300 or 40 per cent since 1999." - http://tiny.pl/36fm

37

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:08:32
52. To be fair, alot of the Labour appointees to Quangos are actually only sitting on Second Quangos, having sold their first Quangos at profit.
38

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 11:19:30
53
To be fair, Mr Salmond didn't shoot his mouth off about how he was going to reduce quangos
...oh, wait a minute, he did.
39

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 11:22:00
51 English Voice,27/06/2009 11:06:34
#4 #6 #8#12# 16 etc etc...#49 "Jerry Springer"
====================================================

Thanks for taking the time out to read and count my posts and indeed listing their numbers and responding to them.

I guess it shows what an exciting life you must lead old crocus.

40

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:25:37
54. Which public sector workers employed by the quangos are you in favour of sacking, Grahamski and would this help in the current recession?

41

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:26:41
55. Jerry

what ho, old sausage. Replying to a post commenting on your various, pointless and round the clock missives? Do you ever feel people are laughing at you?
42

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 11:30:49
56

We'll start with the ones Mr Salmond promised.

Oh wait a minute, Mr Salmond has broken another worthless promise...this is fast becoming his political legacy, eh?
43

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:33:07
58. Not everyone can Save The World, Abolish Boom and Bust, oppose tuition and Top Up Fees and keep the Post Office in public ownership, like what Gordon can!

44

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 11:34:51
59
Well that's certainly true. However, it would be just a little less embarrassing if our first minister would stop with the humiliating Mussolini impressions with his shouting and chin-jutting at FMQs. And why he had to bring his mum with him to the Highland show is beyond me....
45

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:35:55
60. Great post! Anyone who thinks cyber Labour types are not full of substantive comment on the issues will be proved wrong by that corker!

46

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 11:36:57
61
"Cyber Labour types" who's that then?
47

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:37:41
60. Still, makes you wonder why Salmond is so much more popular than Iain Gray, doesn't it?

Perhaps London Labour's recession, record breaking debt, £50,000 tax bill for every person in the UK, post office privatisation, expense swilling, Law selling politcial melt down is not to everyone's taste?
48

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:38:52
62. Cast your swivel eyed, post office privatising face in a mirror, you Trident buying, Iraq invading, tuition fee loving Labour lauding cove.
49

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 11:39:42
The word "quango" is one of a growing list of terms guaranteed to induce a knee-jerk reaction from the unthinking. But there may be a very simple explanation as to why they exist and continue despite generalised public antipathy. It may be that these Non-departmental Public Bodies (NDPBs) actually perform a useful function. It may be that they are actually an essential component of our democracy.

What is the point in abolishing or down-sizing NDPBs if all it means is that the work they do then has to be covered by enlarged government departments?

50

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 11:48:42
63
"makes you wonder why Salmond is so much more popular"

Not in the slightest. Like most demagogues, Mr Salmond unashamedly plays to the gallery at every opportunity and takes no personal responsibility for anything.

His popularity will continue for as long as he can continue to play the blame game and appeal to the lowest common denominator. When the public get fed up with his histrionics his popularity will plummet.

It's just a matter of time....
51

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:51:44
66. Great post! Not at all repulsive for London Labour cyber types to take the electorate for granted and engage in the old dog whistle dictate of declaring how people will vote.

How did that work for your in the European elections, by the way? Are the ungrateful masses still wilfully refusing to do as London Labour tell them? Still, just a matter of time before people do asthey are told, eh?

Perhaps it is the total London Labour economic meltdown, incompetence, shambolic re-shuffles, schisms, expense troughing, law selling, post office privatisation fiasco of a government that is putting people off?
52

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 11:51:53
English Voice # 64

What would happen to the Post Office IF Scotland became independent? Do you not think it would be some kind of privatised body?
53

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 11:53:53
66
Grahamski

"Like most demagogues..."

"Demagogue"?

Credit where it's due. You are not in the slightest bit shy about making a complete posterior of yourself in the service of the Tory/BLP alliance.

54

English Voice,

27/06/2009 11:57:45
69. To be fair, I think by "demagogue" Grahamski, a London Labour cyber type, just meant the democratically elected person of a party he doesn't like.

New Labour are still struggling to adjust to the fact they were beaten in the 2007 parliament election, 2007 local elections and the European elections. Grahamski and other London Labour types feel outraged and cheated that the electorate dont do as they are told .
55

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 12:00:15
66 Grahamski,Falkirk

I wish the Scottish Labour party would do some populist acts for Scotland, or even cough up a positive policy for Scotland.
All they do is what you are currently doing and that is to snipe ate the Nats. You and Rufus used to make some positive contribution which separated you from the poodles but I haven't heard you make a positive Scottish proposal for weeks now.

Most of wee eck's policies were Labour policies in the past.

This Calman thing is playing right into the Nats hands.

They know that FFA would have seriously damaged their chances so they are delighted that Calman is a fudge.
56

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 12:03:32
70
No, by demagogue I meant a demagogue. Look it up.
57

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 12:04:58
TWC
Here's a positive proposal for Scotland; time to grow up and accept responsibility. We can't simply carry on blaming everybody but ourselves.
58

English Voice,

27/06/2009 12:06:32
72. Demagogue... sounds like the type of cove who would take us into a war of dubious legality and refuse to publish the legal advice. Or the type of megalomaniac who would claim to have saved the world and abolished boom and bust while the country sinks into a massive recession and his government is a total shambles.
59

English Voice,

27/06/2009 12:08:22
73. Good job that regulation of banks was nothing to do with Gordon Brown and the current recession is of a global nature and therefor totally out of London's control, otherwise London Labour's pathetic blame shifting and self obsessed political implosion would like a failure to take responsibility.
60

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 12:16:19
73 Grahamski

Graham, I don't blame anybody else, on the contrary, I want Us to run our own Country Financially and pay for those things we agree remain reserved.
Not Independence fust Full Fiscal Autonomy.

How can that be construed as Blaming someone else. SLAB and the Libdems should be demanding FFA and if it leaves us short of money then we need to make savings.
61

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 12:18:03
74
Nope. It sounds more like Mr Salmond. This from the Cybernat's favourite source, Wikipedia:
"a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and often using nationalist themes"
Oh yes. Mr Alex Salmond, demagogue and mountebank.
62

Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 27/06/2009 12:23:52
I should warn all those folks reading this article by Baron Flookes of patna that most of the unelected quangos which have been dumped by the SNP were not included by Lib/Lab as quangos so it looks far worse than it is. All those PFI Labour party funders and the old Scottish executive Black propagandists were actually not counted by His Royal Highness Baron Von Cumnag and his sleaze ridden party but I am sure that was only another fiddle, not a muddle. LOL
63

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 12:29:15
70
English Voice

"New Labour are still struggling to adjust to the fact they were beaten in the 2007 parliament election..."

A rather amusing aside on that subject. Check out the "Scottish" Labour website and the "history" penned by one of the BLP's pet academics. The final paragraph refers to the 2007 Scottish General Election. But it totally omits any mention of the SNP victory or the fact that Alex Salmond became First Minister.

"The 2007 Scottish General Election has meant Labour becoming the opposition in the Scottish Parliament, with Iain Gray the Leader of the Opposition."

A small thing, perhaps. But illustrative of the BLP's pettiness and petulance.

64

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 12:29:44

HL Mencken described a demagogue as
"one who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots."
Describes Salmond to perfection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue


65

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 12:30:09
OOOPS! Forgot to post the URL with #79.

http://tiny.pl/365j

66

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 12:39:08
80
Tartan Bond

While I would not argue with the contention that those still supporting the BLP deserve to be called "idiots", I would like you to explain what is "untrue" about the principle of national self-determination -

“All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.” - International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

67

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 12:43:03
82
ha ha ha ha....nothing whatsoever is 'untrue' about a principle. Mr Salmond's politics however depend on untruths, grievances and thinly-viled bigotry.
68

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 12:46:13
83
Grahamski

Mr Salmond's politics are the politics of civic nationalism, founded on the principle of national self-determination. Where is the "untruth" in that?

69

morris,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 12:46:54
44 Democratic accountability is for EVERYBODYS benefit.

It does not matter really because Labour are going to get the hiding of the century anyway.What date it takes place on is of academic interest possibly,but the longer you cling to power when the people do not want you, the more damage you do to yourselves.If you want to give people even less reason to elect you by decalring that you cannot even understand that,thats your democratic right to do so.

Even I however would suggest that you should let go of the self destruct button at some stage, but if you prefer to confrim that you are unelectable with good reason, carry on !

70

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 12:48:49
Electric Hermit # 82

Salmond isn't talking to supporters of other parties, he is talking to you.
There would not be any national self-determination with Salmond, you would be throwing off freedom to take on tyranny.
71

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 12:55:54
Discussions like this would not take place in Salmond's "independent" Scotland. Even if it is still called Scotland by then. You would have access to the internet, not as now, but beamed over the border by "Meshbox" from England; if the English could be bothered.
Salmond IS a charlatan, believe him at your peril.
72

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 12:58:11
84
ha ha ha ha.... Mr Salmond's party doesn't appeal to the lowest common denominator, it doesn't accuse it's oponents of being quislings or traitors, it doesn't hide it's inherently parochial and narrow-minded world view and revolting anti-English bigotry behind a veneer of 'civic' nationalism, aye right.....
73

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 12:58:51
85 morris,

I agree Labour are getting deeper and deeper into trouble and everything they do makes things worse.

I cannot understand the opposition parties at Holyrood they seem to be caught in the headlights as we roll unstoppably towards Independence.

Calman has just given it anoher shove and now the Tories are unsure about it, Labour don't like it and the Liberals know it doesn't go far enough on Fiscal powers
74

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 13:01:29
89

"I cannot understand the opposition parties at Holyrood they seem to be caught in the headlights as we roll unstoppably towards Independence."

Huh?
75

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 13:03:04
86
Tartan Bond

"There would not be any national self-determination with Salmond, you would be throwing off freedom to take on tyranny."

Empty rhetoric. If that sort of jingoistic krap is the best the Tory/BLP alliance has to offer it is little wonder that people are turning to the SNP in droves.

76

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 13:03:18
90 Grahamski
Yes?
77

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 13:05:39
Grahamski # 88

That is not the worst of it. According to "Quisling Gogs" last week, in an independent Scotland there are going to be gas chambers.
In reply to me he said: "Do you want to join Maddox in the gas chambers."
That is why Salmond and the SNP have be given a very wide berth. It is not the fact that Salmond does not deliver what he says he will, but, that he has got supporters who want to deliver what Salmond has not spoken about.
78

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 13:09:16
88
Grahamski

The demented virtual laughter preceding your inane rambling is a dead give-away.

Salmond's politics are the politics of the SNP. The politics of civic nationalism, founded on the principle of national self-determination.

It is a form of progressive politics which increasingly resonates with the electorate. It is something for which the unionists have no meaningful response. Which helps to explain the BS spouted by the likes of Foulkes, The Scotsman, and you.

79

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 13:14:09
Electric Hermit # 91

For Salmond and his elite clique there would be Salmond's version of national self-determination. For you and the majority there will be tyranny.
80

morris,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 13:14:29
86 and 93 Thats your opinion and you will be afforded the opportunity to say so in the ballot box same as we ALL will be. The difference is we are in the ascendancy . Whether you agree or not matters no more or less than the opinion of anybody else does.We will even protect your right to know better than everybody else after independence.Personally I think you should stand as an indepnedent . You might even get a vote!
81

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 13:14:58
93
Tartan Bond

It would be good to think that you were only pretending to believe that Salmond/SNP want to introduce gas chambers. But the pretence is just too convincing. Which says much more about the state of your mental health than it does about either Salmond or the SNP.

You need help.

82

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 13:17:46
95
Tartan Bond

More empty rhetoric and jingoistic gibbering. If this didn't mark you out as a drooling buffoon your demented ranting about "gas chambers" certainly did.

83

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 13:18:50
Electric Hermit # 94

"It is a form of progressive politics which increasingly resonates with the electorate."
That is BS, who does it resonate with? I don't here people in Byres Road, or, George Square all abuzz with "progressive politics."
I hear people talking about Salmond and increasingly it is precede by the "eff" word. That is progress!
84

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 13:19:13
Salmond, the honeymoon is over.
85

morris,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 13:23:30
97 You can say that again !

What a total nutter he is !
Somebody should teach him the difference between hear and here.
Everybody will be wetting themselves at his offerings.He hears voices inside his head I think !
86

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 13:24:18
100
Tartan Bond

It is notable that all you and your fellow fanatics have to offer is spittle-flecked hate-speak. Not one word of positive argument for the union or whatever political party is unfortunate enough to have you as a supporter.

87

Number 6,

Germany 27/06/2009 13:29:42
Over at the record the SNP are being "Blasted" ( The Record's new favourite word), over taxi fares.

The article is written by Magnus Gorhman. This guy recently wrote an article praising our intrepid Mr Maddox for "Hammering the SNP cybernats.

It's becoming more and more fantastic.
88

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 13:30:09
Electric Hermit, # 97

It was SNP "Quisling Gogs" that brought the subject up. The SNP should apologise for and refute his remark.

Morris # 101

My ears are in my head Morris, where are yours?
89

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 13:31:38
100 Tartan Bond,

I don't know what you are smoking

This guy is winning without doing anything. Every poll shows the Nats climbing in support.
Sitting sniping at them is not working the Opposition paties need to star talking about what they are going to do differently.
90

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 13:36:59
TWC # 105

I agree where you say that Salmond is not doing anything. If Salmond is winning so easily as you say, why do you and your fellow nationalists of Salmond's cyber-lynch mob feel the need to insult anyone who does not see Salmond as you do, but, for what he is.
Why insult the Scotsman reporters who disagree with you, rather than accept their writings with grace, seeing is how it is sooo easy for you all?
91

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 13:43:49
106Tartan Bond

First of all I'm not a Nat, in fact I'm not a member of any party, I want FFA so I want to hear a positive case from the opposition. Salmond is winning because he is pushing,in the main, old Labour policies and nobody is taking him on.

Even the Calman Ommission was hijacked by Westminster and fell far short of a Fiscal Package to fight against the Nats.
That's why Holyrood needs to fight on Scottish policies.

Are you a member of a party??
92

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 13:51:08
104
Tartan Bond

"It was SNP "Quisling Gogs" that brought the subject up. The SNP should apologise for and refute his remark."

You actually believe that was a serious remark!

Worse!

You actually believe someone called "Quisling Gogs", posting in a place like this, is an official spokesperson for the Scottish National Party!

You genuinely believe all that!

You are a moron!

93

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 13:57:59
Electric Hermit # 108

You are suggesting that it was just a throwaway remark, by an SNP supporter? An SNP supporter posts an obscenity like that and you ask me if I am a moron?
If it was official SNP policy, do you think they would make it public? Are you totally stupid?

I don't think it is official SNP policy, but, some of your fellow Nats seem to the think it is at least an idea.
You should learn to be as critical of some of your fellow Nats as you seem to be of Salmond's opponents; before it is too late and you sleepwalk into some unspoken tyranny.
94

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 14:01:52
107
TWC

"Salmond is winning because he is pushing,in the main, old Labour policies and nobody is taking him on."

We could argue about the first part of this. But the second part is unquestionably true. It would be of no consequence if Tartan Bond's demented hate-speak was confined to his particular breed of brain-dead fanatic. The problem is that it reflects the attitudes and behaviour of the official opposition.

They have nothing positive to say. No challenge to Salmond and his team at all. Nothing to offer the electorate. This is not healthy. For all I support the civic nationalism of the SNP; and for all I recognise in Alex Salmond one of the most able and astute politicians in Europe, I am still uncomfortable with the lack of a functional opposition in the Scottish Parliament. It leaves a vacuum which is all to easily filled by hate-mongering fanatics such as Tartan Bond.

95

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 14:03:57
109
Tartan Bond

"...you ask me if I am a moron"

It wasn't a question.

96

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 14:07:36
Electric Hermit # 110

You accuse others of hate, yet there is not a post of your devoid of spite, aggression and hate. I show you a hate inspired quote from another SNP supporter and that sends you off on a hate inspired rant of your own. You can't take it, bullies, cowards like you are all the same great at dishing out problems for other people, but, you just can't take it. It is all to obvious where you take your hate inspiration from; Salmond.

Hasn't fulfilled what he said he would prior to being in government. Salmond is the Scottish political equivalent of Bernie Madoff.
97

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 14:10:58
Electric Hermit # 111

I am glad that you are certain of your ground, I am as just as certain that you are wrong and a wilfully, gullible fool.
I look forward to sneering at you WHEN Salmond lets you down, as you you feel free to sneer now.
Sneer while you can, it won't last!
98

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 14:12:26
The story is rubbish if you take away the staff from Disclosure Scotland and the Police Services Authority then there has been a significant decrease in both the numbers of Quangos and the numbers of staff employed by them. The Police Services Authority is generating savings through shared services and Disclosure Scotland serves a necessary function unless you are a fan of paedophiles having access to children.

What do green ink Foulkes and David Maddox get paid for I wonder.
99

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 14:25:44
I am always amazed at these people who seem to think that the SNP were elected to sack people. No, they were elected to make the public sector run more efficiently and use efficiency savings for front line services rather than padding out the private pockets of former Labour supporters.

They have made a not bad stab at it too.
100

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 14:29:47
Personally I think the ad hominem attacks on Moira Salmond are mysoginistic in the extreme. No one thinks twice when an older man marries a younger woman but My God he doesn't half get pelters for doing ti the other way around. What would Grahamski and Rufus like hi to do ? Trade her in for a younger model ? Get a trophy wife a but of Scottish arm candy ? He's got a good few female votes for being loyal to his wife and if yer thick enough to think women are like horses to be judged by their age then you won't vote SNP anyway, so who cares what you think.
101

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 14:42:38
116
Dear god Observer,
Get a grip. There was no attack on the first minister's wife. I was talking about his mum.
102

Brianwci,

27/06/2009 14:49:48
#19 jerry says: Hey Brian, where is Traquir these days?

Is if heading up your rapid response team down the bingo halls armed with his tiny urls? Ha Ha ha ha

No jerry, we have a rapid response team which is waiting for something from the British Nationalists to respond to, other than the usual hot, stale air.
103

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 14:52:31
Observer # 116

I you want an example of misogyny you need look no further than # 7 above:
Berero, looking to the night sky for inspiration, # 7 compares Jackie Baillie to a cow in the Ingliston ring.
Maybe you missed it because he is an SNP supporter, or, says he is?
The "Spook in Leith" is clearly very gallant.

Have you seen any photos of him, I didn't know such scrawny weeds could play football?
104

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 14:53:16
117 He managed to bring a ghost to the Highland Show did he ? That's a neat trick if you can do it. Just cut the sexist crud out eh.
105

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 14:54:05
Just finished 'Rogue Nation' by Alan Clements - what a hoot. Can't wait to watch the psycho-nats heads explode when STV announce shooting to commence of a dramatisation in September - funded by public money no less...
106

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 14:56:29
Observer,
Tartan Bond has a point actually. Why are you silent over the cybernat's sexism?
107

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 14:56:36
119 Nice try I missed that one, sexist comments are pretty naff whoever makes them. Jackie Baillie is a hopeless politician that's what in my view Spook should focus on, rather than responding to Rufuses initial sexist and mysogninistic post.
108

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 14:58:13
121 You assume we don't have a sense of humour then ? Personally I can't wait we haven't had a really decent comedy for ages.
109

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 14:59:58
124
Dear god Observer, I've never thought of you as a cybernat.
110

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 15:02:15
125 You're being a bit selective there. Anyway it will be a hoot when it comes out, I suppose it will be an in house production with the Wark clements household trousering the public money then ?
111

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 15:02:50
117
Grahamski

"I was talking about his mum."

You are an ignorant oaf. Alex Salmond's mother is dead - as every moderately well-informed person in Scotland is well aware.

And Observer is quite right to condemn your despicable comments about Moira Salmond. You are beneath contempt.

112

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 15:11:01
126
Have you read it?
127
Herman,
Thanks for your kind words....
113

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 15:16:50
Electric Helmet # 127

Presumably, you did not miss the comment about JackieBaillies above at # 7, but, because it was made by an SNP supporter that is OK?
You do not make any pretence at balance do you?
There are epithets that are appropriate to describe your twisted nature, but, out of deference to Observer's gender and presumably, delicate sensibilities, I decline to be more specific.
114

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 15:17:00
121
Grahamski

"Just finished 'Rogue Nation' by Alan Clements..."

Seems to be the sort of tosh that would appeal to a slack-jawed conspiracy theorist. Russian nuclear weapons at Faslane in place of Trident! What a load of keech!

In order to make his ludicrously contrived plot work Clements has to magic the whole of Europe out of existence and turn the geopolitical clock back nearly half a century.

It will impress those accustomed to reading comics and Tory/BLP propaganda. Nobody else.

115

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 15:18:01
128 Read a summary, I wanted to avoid dying laughing.

Anyway back to the article. Do you think Foulkes uses green ink to write out his multitude of spurious questions ? He seems to be a bit of a nutter with a bit too much time on his hands really. Perhaps he needs to get a hobby.
116

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 15:18:51
129
Tartan Bond

"Electric Helmet"

Another infantile moron opts to be ignored while the grown-ups continue the discussion.

117

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 15:27:42
131
Aye, back to the article. When are you going to at least be a wee bit embarrassed by the bombast and bs emanating from Mr Salmond?
Mr Foulkes, like any MSP, is entitled to ask any question he wants. It's all rather sinister to suggest he shouldn't.
118

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 15:28:21
131
Observer

"Do you think Foulkes uses green ink to write out his multitude of spurious questions ?"

I suspect Maddox writes them for him.

119

Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/06/2009 15:28:28
130
Really Armand?
120

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 15:29:03
Lecky Helmet # 132

I forgot, you are vain too. It alright for some moron above to compare Jackie Baillie to a cow in the Ingliston ring. But, when I accidentally misspell your screen name you have a hissy fit.
Do you suffer from Tourette's Syndrome or Aspergers Syndrome?
That is a serious question, it is not unheard of for someone in advanced adulthood to be diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome. If you have one of these conditions please say and everyone will stop making posts that might antagonise you.
121

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 15:29:36
133
Grahamski

"Mr Foulkes, like any MSP, is entitled to ask any question he wants. It's all rather sinister to suggest he shouldn't."

Nobody has suggested any such thing. You're listening to the voices in your head again.

122

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 15:34:38
133 As I am not a member of the SNP I don't have anything to be embarrassed about. I think Salmond is head and shoulders above his rivals but sometimes errs in showing that. The media witchhunt against him is pathetic but entirely predictable, the SNP are an anti-establishment party, something the Labour party ceased being a very long time ago.

I can't remember the exact figure but someone calculated the amount of civil service resources used in answering all the written questions and FOI requests that Foulkes has made, and it was huge. I'm all for freedom of information and accountability but he abuses it going on fishing expeditions and never landing anything.

That's not sinister it's an observation.
123

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 15:37:26
Grahamski

These Nats are always asking about voices in our heads. We vertebrates have our ears in our heads, so, that is where we tend to hear voices.
Invertebrates, on the other hand don't. Are these Nats implying that they are creatures other than vertebrates? Having seen Salmond on the telly he looks like a large sluggish thing.
124

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 15:38:43
134 Yes they do seem to be a double act don't they. It's astonishing how many times Maddox covers one of Foulkes selectively posed questions. I understand that when Foulkes is not posing spurious questions to give David something to write about he peruses the Scotsman looking for ''cybernats''. It's all a bit sad really.
125

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 15:39:48
138
Observer

"I can't remember the exact figure but someone calculated the amount of civil service resources used in answering all the written questions and FOI requests that Foulkes has made..."

I believe the cost has now reached £120,000. Which would be nothing at all if he was asking questions for some worthwhile purpose. But all he is doing is trying desperately to find something that the likes of Maddox can turn into an anti-SNP and/or anti-Salmond headline - however dishonest.

Basically, Foulkes is using Scottish taxpayers' money to fund Tory/BLP alliance propaganda. That can't be right.

126

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 15:41:21
139 usually going against the flow of accepted political wisdom and wanting radical change requires a backbone. How strange you think it can be done from a prone position.
127

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 15:43:07
140
Observer

"Yes they do seem to be a double act don't they."

what I find most offensive is the assumption that we are too stupid to see through their little exercise in petty propagandising. The likes of Tartan Bond and Grahamski can't, of course. But I am talking about people of normal intelligence.

128

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 15:44:42
141 He is abusing the system. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much that can be done about it. But I think it would be relevant to publish how much these trawls for information have cost. I would also like an estimate of how many man hours Foulkes, or more probably his staff, have used in making these spurious requests, when they were presumably being paid from the public purse to do something more productive instead.
129

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 15:47:22
Observer # 138

There is no media witch hunt against Salmond. When Salmond opens his orifice to make sounds he is condescending and patronising. The press and media are the only ones with the resources to able to hold Salmond to account for his ill considered sounds. SNP supporters accept Salmond's sounds as if it they were handed down on tablets of stone, because in their desperation for utopia they have no critical faculties.

Would you buy a timeshare from Salmond, or a secondhand car?
If you can answer yes to either of these questions, then I have an investment opportunity for you, we guarantee a return of 20%, no 25% PA....
130

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 15:53:06
138
Observer

"I think Salmond is head and shoulders above his rivals but sometimes errs in showing that."

That has always been Salmond's problem. He finds it difficult to resist using his undoubted intelligence and skill as a weapon with which to bludgeon opponents. When those opponents are as weak and ineffectual as Foulkes, this can end up looking like bullying.

I was very impressed with the way Salmond reigned in this tendency in the run-up to the 2007 election. It was a flaw. And anyone who can recognise and rectify such personal idiosyncrasies is to be admired. It demonstrates that Salmond is not as arrogant as those who denigrate him would have us believe. An arrogant person does not recognise personal faults.

131

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 15:56:23
144
Observer

"He is abusing the system. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much that can be done about it."

I wouldn't really want to do anything about it. Other than draw attention to what he and his pet hack are doing.

"But I think it would be relevant to publish how much these trawls for information have cost. I would also like an estimate of how many man hours Foulkes, or more probably his staff, have used in making these spurious requests, when they were presumably being paid from the public purse to do something more productive instead."

An FoI request, perhaps? I'm sure Mr Maddox could advise you on the procedure.

132

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 15:56:29
146 There most certainly is a media witch hunt, not only against Salmond (witness the pathetic furore over £400)but against the SNP in general. This newspaper offers a perfect example with the tag team of Maddox and Foulkes. You have also seen the extraordinary situation of Nicola Sturgeon having to write to the Herald to publicly rebuke them for printing misinformation and set the record straight. Mind you that was in the days of Douglas Fraser they haven't been too bad recently.

But then that is what happens to an anti-establishment party - it is to be expected.

And it doesn't work. We all remember the frankly hysterical headlines in May 2007 but the SNP gained the largest number of seats for any one Party anyway.

Sometimes I think the anti-SNP bias of the media is to their benefit actually. People are not stupid and they don't like being manupulated.
133

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 16:00:15
Star spangled bannock # 145

Do you have Tourette's or Aspergers, or, are you just Lecky Helmet's alter ego?
You Nats just can't help yourselves, you either have, or both one of the two conditions mentioned, or, the anonymity of the web gives you the opportunity to exercise your antisocial personalities.

My opinion is that Salmond is a lying opportunist, nothing any of you drooling Nats have EVER posted has changed that.
Convince me I'm wrong by calling me names!
134

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 16:02:00
147 He does need to rein himself in - you could sometimes physically see it when Wendy Alexander was the Labour leader. In the good old days when he was debating with the likes of Donald Dewar he could let rip and was very effective. He's one of those politicians that can do oratory. He can just stand up and talk and hold a room, sadly with the kind of opposition he faces in Holyrood we don't see too much of that.
135

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 16:04:05
Anyway I'm off bye all.
136

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 16:10:24
Star spangled bannock # 152

Praise indeed from you.
You must admit that "sluggish" is not the same as calling someone a slug. There is room for interpretation in "sluggish," whereas little in the other.
I doubt that Gordon Brown likes to be called Cyclops any more than Jackie Baillie likes to be compared with a prize cow in Ingliston ring. But, when Salmond is compared to something non-human all hell breaks loose. The cybernat boot boys hit the streets, blood up looking for victims.
137

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 16:15:12
Star spangled bannock # 154

Do you always ask a question just to answer it yourself?
I suppose you do;-)

From reading the literature published by Professor Simon Baron-Cohen on Aspergers, I have gained an undertsanding of that. From reading the rabid posts from all you rabid cyberNats I have gained an insight into Tourette's Syndrome.
138

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 16:21:17
149
Observer

"And it doesn't work. We all remember the frankly hysterical headlines in May 2007 but the SNP gained the largest number of seats for any one Party anyway."

All indications are that the negativity of the Tory/BLP alliance and blatant bias of "newspapers" such as The Scotsman are fuelling support for the SNP. Or, to be more accurate, they are feeding the desire for change away from the "old politics". Only the SNP is offering such change.

To be frank, I would prefer that people were drawn to the idea of secession from the union and a fresh start as an independent nation within the EU because of its inherent good sense, rather than being driven to the SNP simply because they are repelled by the whole unionist cabal - from Goldie, Gray, Foulkes et al to moronic amateur propagandists such as Grahamski and Tartan Bond.

But the outcome is the same anyway. Scotland will secede from the union. Scotland will be independent in Europe. Scotland will prosper. And ten years or so down the line, the successors to the political dinosaurs of today's opposition will be telling us how they actually believed in independence all along.

While watless winkers like Grahamski and Tartan Bond will still be posting childish drivel about President Salmond.

139

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 16:26:50
157
Star spangled bannock

"It also annoys me that some posters brought J Baillie's weight into question."

Agreed. But it is sickeningly hypocritical of some here to complain about these rather childish remarks after all the vitriol that has been spewed onto these pages in reference to Alex Salmond's admittedly somewhat ample figure.
140

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 16:29:22
159
Star spangled bannock

"I neither have Tourettes nor Aspergers. If I did I would be in the illustrious company of Mozart, Beethoven, Isaac Newton, Benjamin Franklin and da Vinci to name but a few."

An elegant riposte. I doff my virtual hat to you.

"...in the same way I don't believe you're a mad unionist..."

You haven't read his posts, then? Maybe you want to reserve judgement.

141

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 16:31:09
Star spangled bannock #s 157, 159

I agree with every word that you say in posts 157/9.

We have to drag the rest posting here to the same conclusion. Screaming if necessary!
142

Herry Oaksters,

27/06/2009 16:38:41
Does mad dog not realise that since 1997 the sleaze and corruption labour party have set up 111 useless money draining quango,s.
Wee mad lard Fooksey of the gin bottle should keep his stupid mouth shut, if only to stop him making a fool of himself.

143

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 16:43:40
Electric Hermit # 161

I am not sure if Aspergers Syndrome was categorised in time of the individuals mentioned. Unless Mozart and Beethoven were around in 1944.
The first case of Tourette's Syndrome was reported in 1825. I don't know who of the group above was around then, but, these facts must put a slight hole in your "elegant riposte" theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergers_syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette's_syndrome

Anyway, why would you rather discuss these afflictions rather than Salmond's lack of acuity with and preference for the "actualitie?" That means truth for you.
144

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 16:45:20
Where has English Voice gone???????????

Of course, nearly forgot, the Scotia Pride march is on this afternoon.

Are you back yet son?

Did you have a good time old sausage?
145

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 16:49:34
Herry Oaksters # 163

He's got a title and more money than you and you call him stupid.
Is it just your "Oaksters" that have got hair, or, is it all over you body. Whatever, I bet you have hair on the palms of your hands. You know what cause that?
146

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 16:50:26
164
Tartan Bond

"I am not sure if Aspergers Syndrome was categorised in time of the individuals mentioned."

Then take it up with the person who mentioned them.

Solly tisser!

"Anyway, why would you rather discuss these afflictions..."

Seems you've already forgotten that it was you who brought up these "afflictions".

Dift prack!

147

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 17:10:16
Electric Hermit # 167

You fell for it, what can I do?

Star spangled bannock # 168

All we can do is speculate about the afflictions of those talented people, but, I take your point.

The SNP supporters here who are presenting symptoms can do something about it though and resolve any uncertainty.
If just for the sakes of their long suffering families ;-)

148

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 17:15:43
Star spangled bannock # 179

What did we say to start him off?
It has got to be Aspergers, there is slight evidence of higher ability. IQ of at least 82 and mummy's PC, it must be "The Spook in Leith." The owner of the worlds first cut'n'paste degree, from Heriot Watt University.
The Spook said earlier he had to go to training. That must be potty training, its working, because he is potty!
149

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 17:21:01
180
Tartan Bond

"You fell for it, what can I do?"

A pathetic and futile effort to cover your embarrassment.

150

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 17:22:12
Looks like English Voice has re-invented himself as Tartan Bonds.

How sad.
151

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

27/06/2009 17:22:50
#182 Tartan Bond

Possibly something you said :

[150 Tartan Bond,27/06/2009 16:00:15
Star spangled bannock # 145

Do you have Tourette's or Aspergers, or, are you just Lecky Helmet's alter ego?
You Nats just can't help yourselves, you either have, or both one of the two conditions mentioned, or, the anonymity of the web gives you the opportunity to exercise your antisocial personalities.

My opinion is that Salmond is a lying opportunist, nothing any of you drooling Nats have EVER posted has changed that.]

More likely it was you who said it.

Convince me I'm wrong by calling me names!
152

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 17:23:31
182
Tartan Bond

I don't know which is the bigger pain in the @rse, you or the fool pretending to be you.

Ether way, you two cyber-kiddies can have this particular playground to yourselves.

153

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 17:24:53
Electric Hermit # 186

I have never voted for Salmond, what have I got be embarrassed for?
154

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 17:27:42
Jerry Springer # 187

You know when the SNP support start that kind of action that the truth is hurting. It is pathetic though, just like the constant invective against anyone who thinks other than they do.
Scotland would be a Police State if they had their ways.
155

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 17:28:57
192 You are not Spook you are English Voice.

Spook cannot spell and you can.

Does not make you any less of a weirdo though.
156

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 17:32:47
193 Tartan Bond,27/06/2009 17:27:42
You know when the SNP support start that kind of action that the truth is hurting. It is pathetic though, just like the constant invective against anyone who thinks other than they do.
Scotland would be a Police State if they had their ways.
==================================================
Exactly.

This is a dirty tactic they constantly employ. Especially when they have been on the receiving end of a pasting like you have given Electric Hermit this afternoon.

On the night they took a hammering in Glenrothes this was what they did in an attempt to ruin numerous Scotland Newspaper comment sections.
157

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 27/06/2009 17:33:00
Wow. Didn't realise they did commershole breaks on the comments.
158

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

27/06/2009 17:36:17
#200 Jock Tamson,

Cumarsehole Breaks, even!
159

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 17:36:40
202 You need help mate.

You should seek it out before its too late.
160

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 17:46:49
Hey Tartan Bonds, why are you not using your 'English Voice' moniker?
161

dunedin bully wee 1877,

27/06/2009 17:51:22
Why do we never see George Foulkes at FMQ’s these days?

He used to be good for a right laugh with all his hooting, hollering and banging on his desk like a demented public schoolboy being denied access to his favourite teddy bear.

Maybe his fellow Labourites lock him in a wee cupboard somewhere, counting the number of toilet rolls purchased since the SNP came to power.
162

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 17:54:21
Jerry Springer # 199

The minders of the SNP support (boot boys) know that it is never too soon the start the smears. I thought they were a little late that night, it didn't change the result though.

We must try and remember that Electric Hermit is a human being behind that shockingly aggressive CyberNat exterior. He is fallible as much as his his hero Salmond has proved to be. That is why they both spout lies as truth, aspirations as facts and invective as argument. They deserve to lose what they have gained by Salmond's lies and they will.
Salmond, you can't stand the truth!
163

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

27/06/2009 17:58:55
Tartan Bonds

Why are you faking TB?

It is not as if he can be further embarrassed by being made to appear rude, disgusting, obnoxious, deranged, petulant, childish or a unionist...he is all of these things already.
164

morris,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 18:00:34
217 He cant remember how to get there.
165

Tartan Bond,

27/06/2009 18:03:57
The Col. of Monte Cristo # 219

I never said I was Unionist. I just can't stand Salmond, his posturing for the gullible and his blatant lies.
What is wrong with that?
Some little CyberNat posting obscenities is "de rigeur" when the truth about Salmond comes out.
166

dunedin bully wee 1877,

27/06/2009 18:13:03
223 Tartan Bond

Would you care to cite an example of one of these “blatant lies”?

167

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

27/06/2009 18:15:10
#223 Tartan Bond, - "I just can't stand Salmond,"

That hardly excuses you for exposing yourself in front of his wife, who as Jerrry Springer keeps reminding us out, is 97 years old.
168

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 18:22:20
January 2009 On Saturday, at a Burns supper in Alloway, Alex Salmond announced that he had received “a letter from Kofi Annan in which he requests, if it would be appropriate, that he could come and deliver a lecture during the Year of Homecoming in tribute to Robert Burns.”

That was an embarrassing LIE!

From the Times:

The Times was told by Mr Annan's representatives in Britain that he has not made such a promise and that, while he will travel to Scotland this year, it will be to deliver a lecture on the economist Adam Smith at the invitation of Gordon Brown.

“There has been some misinformation and Mr Annan would appreciate a correction. We are irritated by this and it is a question of clarification.” The spokeswoman added: “Mr Annan will be travelling to Scotland but his lecture has nothing to do with this Homecoming thing.”

There you go Bully Boy Lie Number 1 from Salmond.

Don't let it spoil your Salmond Love-in all the same.




169

TWC,

exLabour 27/06/2009 18:28:13
I see Mr Benn has disagreed with Browns claim that Labour won't cut public expenditure on any questions.

That's that arguement gone between the Lab & Tories
170

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

27/06/2009 18:35:18
#226 Jerry Springer

Were you at that Burns supper in Alloway?

Who was the unnamed spokesman?

I was at the Adam Smith lecture, The wee Gonk congratulated Gordon Brown on saving the World???

171

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

27/06/2009 18:43:26
I took this photo of them...

http://tinyurl.com/lddla8
172

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 18:45:26
233 Col

No I was not there but Google tells me it was reported in both The Times and The Scotsman.

Are you saying that the Newspapers are making it up?
173

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

27/06/2009 18:55:21
235 Jerry Springer,

I do not even trust The Scotsman to accurately report the horse racing results.

I will have a look at The Sun's posh edition and report back.
174

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 18:56:27
Jesus when the Scotsman seems to have no problem banning posters like Traquir then why the hell can't they do something about that bloody fake mentalist.

175

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 18:58:08
236 You have yellow poo down your leg
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And you have a space where your brain should be.
176

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 19:04:28
242 Front bottom poof
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The word for that would be lesbian, moron. Can't you spell it ?

Toddle off and die there's a good chap.
177

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 19:05:18
Oh look they seem to have done something - at last.
178

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 19:44:55
Observer, agreed.

Although Traquir and I had opposing viewpoints, he was at all times courteous and a gentlemen.

Unlike this clown that has reappeared again.
179

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

27/06/2009 19:45:12
#195 Jerry Springer, - I had my Dinner but I didn't eat 40 posts!

Obviously I have no personal knowledge of these events and must draw conclusions based on the balance of probabilities and what experiences I do have of the Parties involved.

FACT - Annan was invited to speak in Kirkaldy.

FACT - Annan Accepted.

FACT - Annan was invited to speak at The Homecoming Event.

FACT - His Geneva Office declined but stated - ‘I would like to inform you that I would like to travel to Scotland to deliver a speech later in the year'.”

Referring of course to the Lecture he had already agreed to speak at in Kirkaldy.

The Homecoming people had no knowledge of the Smith Lecture and presumed it to be the expression of a willingness to
attend a similar Homecoming event if it could be arranged.

Conclusion : Salmond acted in good faith on the information he had been given.

THINK ABOUT IT...YOU ONLY TELL LIES WHEN BACKED INTO A CORNER OR THERE IS SOME ADVANTAGE TO BE GAINED AND YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH IT!

Annans London office spotted the error in the Times' original article and were either
manipulated by or colluded with The Labour spin machine to help produce article number two - NOT TO UNTANGLE CROSSED LINES...BUT TO DISCREDIT ALEX SALMOND.

I shall write to Mr Annan informing him of my take on this and pointing out the damage done to his own credibility in the eyes of those who support self-determination for this country and indeed those who esteem Burns higher than they do Smith.

Suggesting he initiates an enquiry into the matter and takes appropriate action to ensure that future errors made by his staff are rectified rather than compounded, as seems to be the case here.
180

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 20:02:15
204 That was a fuss about nothing (as usual). Annan wrote to *Salmond* saying he would like to visit Scotland later in the year and deliver a speech. I think it was reasonable for Salmond to conclude he was writing to Alex Salmond as it said Dear Mr Salmond on the letter. Bad organisation from Annan's Office or mischief making closer to home ? Who knows we are merely speculating.

181

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 20:03:51
203 Oh dear agreement is breaking out all over, this will never do Rufus.
182

dunedin bully wee 1877,

27/06/2009 20:20:53
I note that following Andy Murray’s latest win at Wimbledon, the roof over the centre court has been closed.

Presumably the English establishment believe that the sky is about to fall in after a Scottish victory there.
183

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

27/06/2009 20:23:15
#207 dunedin bully wee

I hear they have banned Saltires there as well.
184

Jerry Springer,

27/06/2009 20:29:44
The constant stream of photos of Andy Murray with the Union Flag suggest to me it was another great British victory.
185

Electric Hermit,

27/06/2009 21:56:54
205
Observer

"Bad organisation from Annan's Office or mischief making closer to home ?"

Bit of both, it seems to me. To suggest that Salmond lied is, by an astronomical measure, the least likely explanation. It is telling, however, that it is the first thing to ooze into the minds of the anti-Scottish propagandists - professional and amateur.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 27/06/2009 22:01:17
Well well, seems like the posting numbers are just as changeable as the climate.

Quangos should be replaced by the wives of the rich, powerful and elite.. Keeps their minds occupied and the one-upmanship would ensure efficiency.

It's all for charity and social status. Should be exempt from equal opportunities but husbands may apply.
187

Nicky Tam,

THE FREE NATION OF SCOTLAND 27/06/2009 22:31:22
Hey Jerry Springer, what are you on. You have been on here since this issue went live. Don't you think you should have a medical and some counselling, what a state you're in man I have not see anyone as rabid as you posting on any forum like this. Are you being blackmailed or what? Just imagine how demented you will be on independence day, I hope they have a back to front jacket ready for you. You must be WiFi and hide your laptop under the blankets when the nurses go past.
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At the Burns Memorial Lecture in 2004 Kofi Annan said "Let us admire the enduring resonance of the work of Robert Burns and let us dream as he did of a true brotherhood, and sisterhood that embraces all humankind and allows all people to enjoy their inalienable rights, dignity and freedom".

Sentiments such as these could be interpreted as being critical of, and an embarrassment for, the present UK Government so it would hardly be surprising if they preferred him to give a talk on Adam Smith.
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Nicky Tam,

THE FREE NATION OF SCOTLAND 27/06/2009 22:34:12
Dignity and freedom Jerry, something you will never have, I really pity you.


Oíche Mhaith
189

Nicky Tam,

THE FREE NATION OF SCOTLAND 27/06/2009 22:36:51
1,300 new council houses to be built in Scottish towns


Wow, how many did SLAB build.
190

Observer,,

Glasgow 27/06/2009 22:43:53
214 Labour don't believe in Council housing Tam. They believe in privatising it. Just take Glasgow alone, they wrote off an astronomical amount of debt and then pumped further millions in to it to try and make an ideological point (which was a Tory one, natch) and it has been a friggin disaster.

Wee John Wheatley will be burlin in his grave at their antics.

At least the SNP are making a start.
191

Robbie 2,

New Zealand 29/06/2009 00:52:06
93 Tartan Bond,
“…..Salmond does not deliver what he says he will…”
And New Labour has?"
How many years and term in office have Labour and Tories had to, ‘abolish poverty, improve the nations health (compared to other nations’ to help maintain world peace, raise the standard of educations for children at state school, to aim towards a more egalitarian society, help stop the massive emigration from Scotland, reduce crime, etc., etc.’
How can anyone in good conscientious continually back any minority government and a first time government for not achieving all what it genuinely intends to do within a two and a bit period?
192

Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

29/06/2009 07:24:30
SNP retains its hold on Monifieth and Sidlaw ward

By Mark Dowie

Published: 27/06/2009

The SNP retained its hold on the Monifieth and Sidlaw ward of Angus Council yesterday after winning the area’s by-election.

Voters went to the polls on Thursday.

The seat became vacant on the death in April of SNP councillor Frank Ellis and was contested by Jean Lee for the SNP, the Conservatives’ Craig Fotheringham and Charles Goodall for the Liberal Democrats.

The SNP took the ward with 2,486 votes, a 1,788 majority, with the Tories polling 698 votes and the Liberal Democrats 439.

Turnout for the election was 28%, about 1% less than for the European Parliament elections last month.

Mrs Lee, 61, said she was “absolutely thrilled” with the result. She also paid tribute to Mr Ellis, who was first elected to Tayside Regional Council in 1994 and was returned to the Sidlaw ward of Angus Council following boundary changes in 1996.

She said: “We got about 68% of the vote, which is massive. From a personal point of view I’m delighted because Frank Ellis was councillor there and was a hard-working and much-loved individual. It’s a great tribute to him that people have stayed with the party and I feel quite humbled they transferred their votes to me.

 

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