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Glasgow East by-election: Cyberwar as blogger targets Sturgeon



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THE struggle to win the Glasgow East by-election has been turned into a cyberwar between some of Scotland's most ardent bloggers after one targeted Nicola Sturgeon, the Deputy First Minister.
Kezia Dugdale, who works for Labour MSP Lord George Foulkes, alleged on her Soap Box blog that Ms Sturgeon was kicked out of a shopping centre while campaigning for the SNP. Nobody has backed up the claim and Ms Dugdale received an e-mail from Ms Sturgeon demanding she remove the blog.

But when Ms Dugdale refused and claimed she could stand the story up, it provoked a series of counter blogs, with the SNP apparently briefing its supporters to go on the attack. But one blogger, writing at SNPtacticalvoting.blogspot.com and known to be sympathetic, changed his mind and decided Ms Dugdale might be correct.

Ms Dugdale said: "I can't believe the SNP have devoted so much time taking on my blog. We've got a C difficile crisis in our hospitals. As health secretary, shouldn't Ms Sturgeon be sorting that out?"



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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 19/07/2008 00:25:34
Those pesky cybernats at it again.
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subrosa,

19/07/2008 00:33:42
I know this Kezia Dugdale and have had words with her on these forums about her lies regarding the present handling of clostridium difficile. She is completely wrong with her utterings, won't have one fact to show for it other than a newspaper report and really she ought to lay off the subject until she has at least done some real investigation.

Good campaigning for your party is truth and honesty and she meets neither.
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Matt there,

somewhere 19/07/2008 00:35:39
Now here is something for Kezia Dugdale.

A blogger can be sued for libel. Yes, this means you too, Kezia.

By the way, even if the servers you use are based in the USA, British case law says that doesn't matter. You are still subject to UK libel laws and UK election laws.

My advice, Kezia? Do NOT ask a Labour Party hack for legal advice. As an independent solicitor.
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Edward,

19/07/2008 00:53:53
Does Kezia Dugdale actually have a real job?
It states here she 'works' for George Foulkes. Now I know Georgie boy from old, so what does Kezia do with her time?
I notice that she is critical of Nicola Sturgeon about the C difficile outbreak that occured at the Vale of Leven, perhaps she needs reminding that it was under the previous Labour administrations watch that enouraged cleaning contracts to be outsourced and as a result hospital cleaning was cut back. But we dont want facts to get in the way do we!
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 01:03:54
Somewhat coveniently our Kezia tells us on her blog that she won't be contactable over the weekend. Fancy that ! Get the propaganda out and then lie low for a few days eh... Truly Lord FowksSake is teaching her well !

"I’m moving into a new house first thing tomorrow morning. I mention that only because I’m not in hiding, I just wont have access to the internet.
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I have decided to put comment moderation back on for the weekend – 3 days is just too long to be away from my blog when there’s this much heat around. I’ll post and reply on Monday."
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

19/07/2008 01:11:05
How Margaret Curran voted on key issue

Voted Against returning Attendance Allowance to pay for Free Personal Care [italic]despite Lord Sutherland's Report saying it should and despite Margaret Curran saying, on behalf of the Labour party, saying they fully accepted the report.[/italic]

Voted against scrapping the Council Tax

Voted to hamper councils building new council houses by not restricting right to buy legislation.

Voted against scrapping the graduate endowment fee

Failed to support a freeze on the Council Tax. (Abstained)

Failed to support record spending for local authorities. (Abstained)

Failed to support reducing prescription charges - a tax on the ill. (Abstained)

Failed to support 1000 extra police officers on Scotland's streets- there will 750 extra in Strathclyde. (Abstained)

Voted against new patient rights.

Failed to vote against the development of Trident II

Voted to spend half a billion pounds on a tram line in Edinburgh - money which could, in part be spent on key transport objectives in Glasgow.

Supports £500,000 per child ASBO's
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SNP hypocrisy,

19/07/2008 01:16:24
This is typical of the SNP and we knew this anyway that the SNp were being told to pot to internet message boards. It's no surprise since generally a handful hammer Newspaper message boards such as this with many ID's to make themselves look like a multitude. Same small number then gang up and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them and attempt to run them off. Don't underestimate these clowns and what levels they will sink to.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 01:16:54
I hope Nicola Sturgeon is reading this too. There’s something I’ve been meaning to ask her.

A recent YouGov/Telegraph poll suggested that 40% of people might like Scotland to be a separate member of the European Union.

Nicola Sturgeon then said: “The poll shows that two-thirds of Scots want Scotland to become an independent member of the European Union”.

So, the percentage had been exaggerated, and of course, independence wasn’t mentioned in the actual question. The poll had asked a separate question about that and had found significantly lower support.

Why was this false statement made? Why was it circulated? It was even published in the Dundee Courier before it disappeared from the SNP website.

Original statement: http://tinyurl.com/5pha6j
Revised version: http://snp.org/node/14048
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008/07/12/newsstory11641453t0.asp
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SNP hypocrisy,

19/07/2008 01:19:40
1. Dougie. This is all part of the SNP's former letter-writing campaign. Now a handful of Nats post to newspaper boards but use many ID's often agreeing with themselves. They have taken over some newspaper boards such as the Herald where they attempt to dominate every single conversation even when it's got nothing to do with the Nats or even politics. It's a complete joke.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 01:24:32
#9 SNP hypocrisy

True. They also seek to dominate radio phone-ins and are bombarding organisations like the BBC with vexatious complaints of bias and the like, in order to try and shift editorial policy in their favour. They coordinate such campaigns via online message boards.
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SNP hypocrisy,

19/07/2008 01:26:56
9 AM2, Yes good point! If all the SNP can claim is that 1/3rd of Scots would back their idea of Independence after a whole year in 'government' then that speaks absolute volumes about them.

Mind you it was no more ridiculous than the Yougov poll which was NOT taken in Glasgow East but was discussed as though it was by STV and Mr. Ponsonby, and of course the SNP, in a news story that made Salmond look triumphant! Interesting to note that the first real poll taken there (ICM) which favoured Labour was only briefly mentioned by STV. Questions should be asked, as to such polls and how they are presented by broadcasters like the BBC.
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SNP hypocrisy,

19/07/2008 01:28:26
10. AM2 "They coordinate such campaigns via online message boards"

That really doesn't surprise me, thanks for info.
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SNP hypocrisy,

19/07/2008 01:29:45
11. ouch should have read "Questions should be asked, as to such polls and how they are presented by broadcasters like the STV", and NOT the BBC! My bad.
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Joe wolson,

Glasgow 19/07/2008 01:49:30
Note the comment "the SNP apparently briefing its supporters to go on the attack."

So what else is new? I thought they did that every day of the week.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 01:53:31
This from Tom Harris MP:

"She was in the middle of an interview with the BBC when she was reminded by a member of staff at the centre that she didn’t have permission to film there. She immediately waved away the member of staff with a high-handed (literally) “I’m speaking!”

"Security guards in Glasgow East know how to handle this sort of arrogance, and Ms Sturgeon was marched forthwith from the centre."

http://tomcharris.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/nicola-throws-a-strop-and-the-beeb-keep-mum/
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19/07/2008 02:07:01
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Guga II,

Rockall 19/07/2008 02:38:14
Forfoulkesake, who would believe a word from anyone that worked for that drunk?

I notice that AM Squared, in his various guises, keeps having a go at Nicola Sturgeon. However, he never mentions all of the blatant lies told by Curran and the rest of her gang at the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch).

How about it AM Squared? What have you got to say about Curran's meeting with an alleged 97 year old war veteran? No comment about an MP who claimed £500,000 from the taxpayer for using his front room as an office? No comment about Curran's voting record (see #6 above)? What about her role her role in scrapping guaranteed fire service response times?

Anyway AM Squared, I thought you said a while ago that you were no longer going to post comments on these boards? Are the Sleaze and Corruption Party so short-handed that you felt obliged to entertain us again with your dodgy statistics, lies and propaganda?

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Joe wolson,

Glasgow 19/07/2008 02:39:24
Note how the SNP bloggers (or is it blogger?) are changing the subject which suggests that the story is probably true.

If it is will be an issue not because of the facts but because of attempted denial and first public indication that the Cybernates are being centrally co-ordinated.
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19/07/2008 02:40:48
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Guga II,

Rockall 19/07/2008 02:42:05
#20. Is this another of your pseudonyms AM Squared?
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Steve,

Bo'ness 19/07/2008 07:44:22
More spin, lies and innuendo from New Liebour.
More cries of "cybernats!! cybernats!!"
And more paranoid ramblings about !centrally co-ordinated! mass forum-debating campaigns. Oh dear.

But then we hear that apparently all SNP supporters are the same person! Amazing! Come on Labour numpties, get your stories straight.

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Gdgy,

dundy 19/07/2008 08:25:29
Unbelievable!!! the SNPites seem to believe that white is black as long as they say so...
Both Labour and the SNP are indulging in some nasty cybersniping..for the SNPites to come over all innocent aftr the slurs spread about the previuos Glasgow East MP by their bloggers....utter cant....
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donald anderson it's me,

19/07/2008 08:45:47
Give us her blog url.
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Joe,

Securex Corner 19/07/2008 09:13:22
#9...#10... Spot On! Reminds one of the Tory supporters in the late 80s early 90s, wonder where they went? Another Right Wing party called SNP?
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Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 19/07/2008 09:13:39
Oops sorry it's two really, but i've got heaps more to copy and paste, just like you AM.
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ThomasP,

19/07/2008 09:35:00
This is tit-for-tat politics.

Labour have begun claiming stories (similar to the 72 year old war vetern?) and fail to back their claims.



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Pink Sombrero,

19/07/2008 09:37:44
33. The war veteran was 93 years old. The man pictured with Ms Curran, endorsing her and showing her his "medals" was a 67 Labour activist who was 4 years old when the in question ended.
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mr angry,

ayrshire 19/07/2008 09:40:27
That clown AM2 on again talking to his alter ego's. What a sad git, away and do something productive and stop wasting these forums.
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chico y,

19/07/2008 09:44:01
Liebour lies, Lapdog Foulkes orchestrating it perhaps.
Why doesn't he try and do something positive for once to help his constituents? Everytime you hear his name it is some slavering attack on the SNP which is quickly exposed as lies. He must be the most negative politician out. I'm glad he was emptied from Hearts.

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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 19/07/2008 09:47:31
Ah, so the unionist tactics have now become target the snp bloggers, anything to try and switch attention from the real debate!

Panic is really setting in.
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Iain Ban,

19/07/2008 09:51:15
This thread has been hijacked by the usual paid-up SLAB trolls. Wouldn't it be better if we all simply ignored the whole sorry bunch of them? I am sick to the teeth of SLAB nutters coming on here and spouting brainless drivel that we've all heard a million times before. These creatures have absolutely nothing to contribute to the debate and should be ignored until they crawl back into the cesspit they came from. I have nothing against reasonalbe debate with unionists, but the troll faction is getting out of hand.
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Pink Sombrero,

19/07/2008 10:00:14
37. Chico

indeed Lord Foulkes is a disgrace of a list MSP, who devouts most of his time to blogs and inventing silly attacks on the SNP.

Last week he was questioning Alex Salmond's carbon footprint in relation to travel, just after Gordon Brown hired a private plane at cost of over £500,000 which had to fly empty from Texas to take him to the G8.

He also regularly bleats on about expenses, thinking we are too stupid to notice that he took over £150,000 from House of Lords "expenses" and charges the tax-payer £40,000 for overnight accomodation to stay in a house he owns.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 10:37:11
#34 Pink Sombrero

"They" in my post refers to activists and supporters, not the party. I have seen such coordination occur here, at the Herald blog, at glasgowsnp.org and elsewhere.

I would request that you retract your "bare faced lie" slur, but your past form as Ayrshire Scot suggests that you won't.
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GM,

19/07/2008 10:38:32
@9 and 10

I'm afraid the only person I am aware of using multiple logins on this forum (and there is proof for it) is the one and only (sic) 'Highland Mighty'...

Given he/she/it is a staunch unionist poster, how does that sit with your own views that it is nationalists who stoop to this sort of 'tactic.?


I would also add AM2, that your hypocrisy is glaring yet again as you seem to be complaining about nationalists 'flooding' this type of forum, whereas, I'm sure if we added up the numbers of posts made by each contributor to the Scotsman forums you would almost certainly be at the top of the pile (which I'm sure you'll be able to check anyway).

I do realise that since you opted to 'resign' from the forum and have all past contributions deleted, then it might be difficult for you to check, but your database surely has backups of every post you have made?

Speaking of which, any particular reason for your u-turn?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 10:38:58
When we're on the topic of dubious behaviour, here's a question for the SNP activists.

Why is the SNP trying to give the voters of Glasgow East the false impression that voting their man into the seat would put an extra £48 per household per week (£2500 per year) into their pockets?

An SNP election leaflet reads: “£48 extra per household. Isn’t it time you got your share of Scotland's oil windfall? SNP On your side”

http://tinyurl.com/5daboj
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 10:39:12
.....rolling around laughing......almost wetting myself.....

14 of the first 15 comments on this page are labour trolls up in the middle of the night talking about Cybernats multiposting or multi user names yet there is only one single post during that whole time.



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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 10:41:03
More SNP election leaflet problems. Comments please?

"Kenny MacAskill really ought to know better. His party has had to issue a humiliating apology after putting two Central Scotland Police officers on one of their leaflets in the Glasgow East campaign. Electoral rules explicitly forbid the use of officers on party election literature if they can be identified."

http://tomcharris.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/against-the-law-and-out-of-order/
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GM,

19/07/2008 10:41:32
@34

AM2 complains about bloggers etc but surely ranks as *the* most fervent contributor since the Scotsman opened its news stories to comment.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 10:44:45
#43 GM

Here's the reason for my U-turn and my return to the fray. I was initially intimidated by the nationalist poster(s) who uncovered what they thought was my name and address and posted them repeatedly to the forum. That was quite incredibly threatening. However, on reflection I refuse to be intimidated into silence.
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GM,

19/07/2008 10:45:02
44 and 46

tiresome AM2 - is that the best you can come up with?

£48 a week? I'm still waiting on my £5,000 bill for the SNP winning the election.

Electoral rules? identifiable police officers is right up there with 'cash for campaigns' and dodgy *illegal* donations isn't it?



so lame.
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GM,

19/07/2008 10:46:24
@48

and the rest of my post?

Do you agree Highland Mighty was outed (by himself) using multiple usernames?

How would you rate your own contribution to online forums in terms of numbers of raw posts?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 10:46:47
#49 GM

The parallel with the £5000 claim is obvious. But that claim was at least accompanied by a slogan which read “Break up Britain. End up broke", thereby signalling that the context was an independent Scotland, not an devolved SNP executive.

As far as I can see, there is no such context in the SNP election leaflet.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 10:46:56
The deluded twits in the labour party probably believe that there is only a handlfull of cyber nats scanning the internet and posting furiously while being briefed centrally by their political masters on what to say. It is how they operae. They must assume it is how all political parties operate.

I propose the ZaNu Labour supporters consider a new possibility.

Many, many people are sick of your pathetic attempts to run the country. Many, many people myself included previously supported the labour party but now are totally sick of them. The public dislike you and your MP's. Once it was the turn of the Conservatives to enter the political wilderness. Now it us your turn. I await the day with Glee.

Labour are sinking. Labour are finished. It is just a matter of time. And there time has been and gone.

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GM,

19/07/2008 10:51:13
AM2,
In essence, on this thread, you seem to be complaining that the party you least like is getting organised, co-ordinated and getting decent support from members.

Is this something you want to see abolished? Perhaps only for the SNP?

Is it that the SNP members have embraced more quickly, a way to spread their views and the other parties have been a little slower to realise the power of the internet?

Is it that the traditional parties (labour and tories) have been 'found out' since they simply cannot control the internet like they controlled all other outlets over the previous years?

Is it the Internet is the place where truths and debate can take place without censorship? Is the 'gloves off' approach uncomfortable to those who previously controlled the flow and content of news?
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19/07/2008 10:53:33
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GM,

19/07/2008 10:54:52
@52,

my own view (FWIW) is that the internet is a medium that the traditional parties of Labour and Conservative simply cannot fully control and they 'don't like it up them'.

Hence, if they cannot control the flow and content of information, they attack it... in this instance its a 'shoot the messenger' type of tirade which in my view doesn't address any issues at all and won't win them any votes.
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19/07/2008 11:07:59
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 11:10:24
Incidentally, #54, I am not aligned to any party.
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GM,

19/07/2008 11:11:04
@56

you appear to have confused 'important' with 'hated'.

Some folks clearly hate you, but that doesn't make you important in the grand scheme of things AM2 - and that is the point that wafted over your head from An Greumach Mor's post...

but then again, arrogance, pours out of almost every post you make here.
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GM,

19/07/2008 11:12:51
@57
I recall you admitted that your politics aligned you more with the conservatives than any other party.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 11:19:02
#59 GM

You say that I have “admitted” that my personal politics align more with the Conservatives than any other party.

But “admitted” is a weasel word, intended to give the impression that there’s something shameful in my position or that I was previously attempting to conceal some ulterior motive – neither of which is true.

It would be helpful if we could conduct this debate without certain SNP supporters trying to portray those who disagree with them as morally inferior.

I have made no secret of the fact that I have a “Toryish” disposition on certain key issues. But that doesn't amount to party alignment. Nowhere near.

Now, brunch and then things to do. Back later.
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GM,

19/07/2008 11:23:48
I thought brunch was 10 minutes ago?

and 'admitted' is only a weasel word for those such as yourself who do seem to feel ashamed in some way...

For myeslf, I freely admit I vote SNP and I 'admit' that with pride, not shame. I 'admit' that I don't follow their policies blindly and at the moment I disagree with their LIT proposals. But again, I 'admit' this not out of shame...

Why is it you link 'admit' with 'shame'?
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 19/07/2008 11:32:08
The unionist supporters on this site are spending a lot of time doing exactly what they accuse SNP supporters of doing.They have certainly managed to distract to the extent that the issue is buried.

I have no idea whether Nicola Sturgeon was asked to discontinue an interview with the BBC in a shopping centre or not.Even if true it hardly matches the antics of some of our politicians,such as telling lies and claiming excessive expenses etc.I'm starting to really believe now that the SNP must be very close to Labour in Glasgow East,since the amount of personal abuse of SNP politicians and their suppporters is increasing.This is encouraging because I have noticed over the years that there is a close correlation between the degree of SNP momentum and the degree of abuse that their supporters recieve.It is as more reliable than an opinion poll.
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Pink Sombrero,

19/07/2008 11:33:45
60. Fascinating.

AM2 takes a perfectly innocuous remark - "you have admitted Tory tendencies", twists it and then spins it into "SNP accuse opponents of being morally inferior"

It is a boring and predictable pattern that any who choose to peruse AM2's output are now familiar with: Take a fact or remark- invert it/ twist it and spin it as anti-SNP bile.
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GM,

19/07/2008 11:45:09
@66

hmmmm, it is interesting but I cannot help but feel that the SNP will not take this seat.

I also feel there is a danger in getting 'cocky' over the result.

A win for labour at a hugely reduced majority would be just as damagaing a result to Labour as could be imagined - after all it is one of the safest seats in Scotland.

A win for the SNP, well it *would* be fantastic, but perhaps just too big a mountian to climb.

I'll put my rep on the line and say -

A labour win with a majority of under 1000.
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Joe wolson,

Glasgow 19/07/2008 11:53:26
Key point of the story (remember it?) was SNP instructing their bloggers to go on the attack. How can they do that if as the cybernats (or cybernat) claims(s)people any suggestion of central co-ordination is incorrect or as they (he) would doubtless put it "a filthy and blatant lie and clear evidence of Nu Liebour spin"
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An Greumach Mor,

19/07/2008 13:37:43
Cont 72 Words to describe AM2

If you prefer you can select another word. I played a word assosiation game. I said AM2 in my head and these are the words that come out.

treasonist, collaborationist, quisling, collaborator
betrayer, deserter, turncoat, deceiver, defector, Judas, double-crosser, apostate, miscreant, fifth columnist, snake in the grass, double-crosser, double-dealer, two-timer, betrayer, beguiler, cheater, deceiver, trickster, cheat and finally ball-bag
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19/07/2008 13:40:16
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Shave,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 13:47:35
This makes a nonsense of the 'BBC's anti-SNP bias' claims. They have this on tape but have (so far) not released it.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 13:51:25
re: 75 Shave

They have not released it yet. Or if they were there did they get it on film.
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Pink Sombrero,

19/07/2008 14:59:20
79. CandymanV

what do you think you are achieving? Posting these details is just creepy. It is not stopping anyone posting, and if that is the objective that it is rather pathetic in itself. You just look like a nut-bar who has a serious obsession with AM2. Begone and desist.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 15:35:04
Re. #81 Brandain

I also hold no party affiliation nor do I belong to any cybernat organisation.

I am just an individual who while working and often while on hold on the phone post on the comments section of the Scotsman(only) my true and heart felt opinion. Mine and mine alone.

My friends and family do not like politics and as such I seek discussion where I can find it.

In fact at the last 3 general elections for Westminster I voted Labour and for Holyrood I voted SNP.

Now however I have decided that I can no longer vote Labour any more than I could vote Tory. They represent politics of a past. I am not in secret contact with any member of this forum.

I note the independence supporters seem to be more independently minded with varying positions across different issues.

In comparison to Highland Sh1tey, AM2, SNP Hypocracy, etc, etc who seem to be mirrors of the exact same point of view and agree with themselves as if they are one.

I would back up this opinion with the number of people I have heard make pro-independence statements.

The internet has allowed people to regain depth of feeling across the country without the politically controlled media like the Scotsman puting there own spin on it. Telling people who support independence they are bigots, small minded, facists, nazi's etc, etc.

Time will eventually tell. Votes will be counted. Winners and Losers identified.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 16:36:15
So anyway. Sturgeon may have been told not to canvass in a shoping centre and told to clear off. WHAOW.

There may even be unshown BBC footage of this (ahem) "event" taking place. WHAOW AGAIN.

FowksSake will be proud of these incredible and damning revalations from his protege. They're not quite up to his own high standards of "Salmond uses transport" shock horror disclosures but I guess wee Kezia has to cut her teeth on the stuff that his lordship deems too insignificant for even him to whinge and mump about.

Kezia's due a wee cuddle from Georgie boy for this outstanding piece of second-hand reportage. Just make sure hen that he's not had a few drams at the time, his erratic and criminal behaviour has in the past been well documented ... tinyurl.com/6gtxvw
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19/07/2008 17:12:37
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 17:51:07
#89 Guga II

Absolute nonsense. And once again, you seize every opportunity to gratuitously introduce my Irish roots into the conversation. Why would you do that? It indicates very clearly that you consider people who aren’t “natural-born” Scots to be somehow less credible, less entitled to a stake in the political process.

That fits with something you once said about another poster: “I wouldn't pay too much heed to Pete from Paisley. He is obviously English.”

Despite the fact that people born in England, Wales or N.Ireland comprise about 10% of the population of Scotland, you speak of such people as “foreigners” and refer to them as “interfering in Scotland”.

You have even told me to “go back to Ireland”. This is clearly more than a governance issue for you. It’s racial.

You positively demonise the English, calling them “neighbours from hell” and referring to Scotland being oppressed by the “jackboot of English colonialism”. You have accused them of “raping and pillaging” Scotland.

You have said that there is “no good reason to try and keep on their good side” and that “we actually need an ASBO against them, in the form of independence”.

Any right-thinking person can see such extreme views for what they are.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 17:51:52
#82 Pink Sombrero

Thank you.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 17:52:36
#81 Brandain

Thanks, but I'm not sure that I understand your point. What would you like to know?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 17:54:13
#73 An Greumach Mor

Charming. Are you taking your lead from Winnie Ewing? She once referred to the non-nationalist parties as “enemies of Scotland” and “traitors within the gate”.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/07/2008 17:56:59
#64 Pink Sombrero

Erm, dictionary.com gives these meanings for "admit".

"5. to allow or concede as valid: to admit the force of an argument.
6. to acknowledge; confess: He admitted his guilt."

It's a weasel word, intended to put a negative spin on what comes next.
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19/07/2008 18:09:27
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Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 18:10:29
Will you be staying on in Scotland when we become independent, AM2????
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Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 18:12:08
Are there any programmes on tele tomorrow featuring Maggie Curran's pet lapdog Glenn Campbell????

He must be due another personal attack on John Mason - its been 2 days since his last one.

On the 'main story' on last weeks Politics Show have there been any more threats of legal action by that dipstick Mike Dailly???
Or has that 'story' been quietly forgotten???

What will Campbell do when New Labour Sleaze get a right rogering in 20 months time. Who will he crawl to then????
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Scottish 'N British,

19/07/2008 18:14:49
94

Surely it's a hoax and someone has fiddled with the timings? A cruel hoaxer, a treacherous fellow to boot, has stolen the monniker 'AM2'.

No, it's true.
Joy, oh joy.

The Leader is back.
Do admit.
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19/07/2008 18:31:07
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Scottish 'N British,

19/07/2008 18:48:53
Interesting to see Salmond refute claims that a Scottish Labour loss to the SNP on 24 July would mean Brown departing No.10.

Why would he say that? To placate those considering on voting for his party (but who don't want to see the break up of The Union, perhaps?)

A protest vote against Scottish Labour will see unprecedented presure put on Brown, into a general elction he can't win.

Good news, huh?

Well, not quite. The result would be a Conservative government, used by the Scorning Nasty Party as anti-Scottish.

More sniping, more carping, more fights with Westminster.

Sometimes, just sometimes, it's better to vote for the Devil you know.
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19/07/2008 19:01:36
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ppink,

19/07/2008 19:19:14
Braindrain @103

He probably is ferreting away in his archive.




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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:39:50
Labour given a warm welcome in GE"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/byelection-a-glasgow-kiss-for-missing-brown-872400.html
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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:41:51
97 Snobbish 'N British, 19/07/2008 18:48:53

Desperate?
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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:43:29
AM2's sash is showing.
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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:45:58
Labour?

Who they?

http://www.jonworth.eu/labour-losing-its-soul-over-nuclear/
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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:46:57
Oh dear!

http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/2008/03/28/is-labour-losing-scotlands-catholics/
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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:47:48
More bad news?

http://charliemarks.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/labour-losing-support-amongst-public-sector-workers/
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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:49:39
Dear oh dear - can it get any worse for labour? You bet!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501799&objectid=10514811
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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:52:41
Labour will hold Glasgow East - won't they?

http://www.epolitix.com/latestnews/article-detail/newsarticle/labour-will-lose-glasgow-east-says-survey/
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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:54:26
Why???

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/08/do0804.xml
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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:56:03
No - No - please god no ----


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/08/do0804.xml




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An Beal Bacht,

21/07/2008 15:59:19
Oh the shame of it!


LABOUR WILL LOSE GLASGOW EAST TO SNP


Andrew Rawnsley, PoliticsHome

Labour will lose the Glasgow East by-election to the SNP. That's the powerful forecast of the PHI100, Britain's most authoritative survey of expert and inside political opinion.

http://www.politicshome.com/Landing.aspx?Blog=1616&perma=link
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boudica,

Glasgow 23/07/2008 11:42:08
Edward 4 ....I see once again you are suffering with short term memory loss ..the Out sourcing of Hospital Cleaning was from the Tory Government before Devolution ....and as for Ms SAturgeon she failed to make sure all the Latest Infection stanards were not put in place was this because the advice came from south of the Border ? infection and the causes have no borders but the under Ms Strugeon watch people have died because of her lack of force in this area ..and as for suing ...Why has Ms Sturgeon not s