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Blue Peter is evil, Hitler was imaginative and BBC bosses are munchkins



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Published Date: 09 October 2008
(So claims SNP's Chris Harvie)
A NATIONALIST MSP yesterday branded popular children's programme Blue Peter "evil" and praised Adolf Hitler for being "imaginative".

Professor Christopher Harvie, a list MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife and well-known academic historian, made his c
omments during a debate on Scottish broadcasting yesterday in Holyrood.

His remarks have been described as "loopy" and fuelled claims about how "out of touch" some Nationalist MSPs are.

This is not the first time Prof Harvie has courted controversy. Earlier this year, he described Lockerbie as "a dump" and castigated Scottish youths for sporting "what must be the ugliest clothes worn by anyone on the entire continent".

Last night, however, Prof Harvie claimed his comments in the debate had been taken out of context. During his speech, he also described BBC bosses as "munchkins".

He criticised a rise in "huge bonuses" for celebrities such as Jonathan Ross and Jeremy Clarkson and complained "peanuts" were left for academics.

Prof Harvie added: "This has not been accompanied by an increase in honesty, objectivity and respect for its audience. Just think of the evil-doing of Blue Peter."

He offered no further explanation, but went on to mention Adolf Hitler and BBC founder Lord Reith. "Colonel John Reith of the BBC grasped radio's capacity to inform, educate and entertain. Adolf Hitler saw it as a rabble-rouser," he said.

"Of the two, Hitler was actually the more imaginative because German broadcasting didn't even exist at that point."

And he warned the shape of broadcasting had to change, turning his fire on the industry regulator Ofcom.

"To leave Scotland in the hands of the present metropolitan munchkins of Ofcom and the BBC is like leaving one's parents watching daytime TV."

Speaking to The Scotsman, Prof Harvie pointed out his apparent praise for Hilter's imagination had been accompanied by describing the dictator as "a crazy racist".

He said he was simply highlighting the historical fact that Hitler introduced widespread use of the radio to Germany.

He added: "These people have just taken jests I made completely out of context.

"My reference to Blue Peter was simply to them fixing a competition in 2007. Here's one I fixed earlier, sort of thing."

And he was unrepentant about his criticism of the BBC, which he went on to describe as "sinister".

He added: "They treat themselves as members of a corporation rather than that something that is supposed to provide a public service."

Prof Harvie's comments received a mixed response from political opponents.

Margaret Smith, a Lib Dem MSP, told the chamber: "Today's was an interesting contribution. One could only guess what Adolf would have done if he had access to sticky-back plastic."

Her party's chief whip, Mike Rumbles, said: "Scotland deserves better from its elected representatives and this just shows how loopy and out of touch some of the SNP MSPs really are."

However, Prof Harvie won some support from Tory Ted Brocklebank. He said: "I agreed with a lot of Chris Harvie's entertaining contribution."





The full article contains 514 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Matt there,

Somewhere 09/10/2008 01:00:09
Mike Rumbles. Yes, I bet he does.
2

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 01:07:44
anyone else remember when the Scotsman was a decent newspaper?
3

Robbie 2,

NZ 09/10/2008 01:24:09
David Maddox’s article demonstrates the phrase 'Out of Context' extremely well. If he intended showing how a journalist can mischievously give an entirely false impression of a person’s remakes he is to be congratulated on a job well done!!.
4

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 01:28:33
Talking about 'loopiness'; 'Margaret Smith, a Lib Dem MSP, told the chamber: "Today's was an interesting contribution. One could only guess what Adolf would have done if he had access to sticky-back plastic."'

eh?!
5

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/10/2008 01:29:21
Is that "Nutty Professor" Christopher Harvie for real?

When a politician makes public pronouncements he or she has to suffer the repercussions because they will be taken out of context, OF COURSE.

It is part of the charm of being a vile politician and since they are mostly lawyers, except for this one, they are the lowest of the low.
6

Keren, It's time,

09/10/2008 01:51:08
He is slightly nuts - he'll be dumped in time for the list rankings in 2011 dinnae worry...
7

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 09/10/2008 02:27:59
Actually there is more than a grain of truth in what Harvie is saying,

The BBC are so out of touch with the public they are paid to serve it is beyond a joke.

Blue Peter - organising phone ins then scamming the kids , thats pretty evil in my book.

And Hitler ? He wanted a united Europe with Germany leading it, now take another look at the EU.
8

Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/10/2008 06:10:56
It's not funny, it's not clever and Mr Harvie is not 'a character', he shames us all. To think that the largest party in our parliament thinks it acceptable to foist this malicious old goat on to the people of Scotland. Remeber nobody voted for this latterday Enoch Powell and shameless publicity-seeker, he was sneaked in through the lists by SNP part hacks.
I hope they are pleased with themselves.
9

donald,

glasgow 09/10/2008 07:33:03
Many a true jest is spoken in words.

What a mess the Brit Nats find themselves in supporting Ein Reich. Ein Volk Ein Fhurer. Hitler also promised to take away the Brutish Empire, as well found a United Europe.
10

Rufus T. Firefly,

09/10/2008 07:37:31
This would never happen in Norway.

In their Parliament they sit with giant calculators and work out how much money their Oil Fund has made them today.
11

Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/10/2008 07:43:45
10.
Is that a nationalist finally admitting that nationalism of whatever persuasion is deeply flawed and a dangerous thing?
If so, may I be the first to heartily agree?
Say no to nationalism in whatever guise it appears. No good will ever come of it, and it always seems to spawn a particularly virulent strain of bigotry and grievance.
12

fresian,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 07:48:35
You have to wonder how Hitler's policies would sit with the issues in the world today. Tackle global warming by reducing the energy consumption and carbon footprint of 11 million people. Arranging public transport to take all these people to the concentration camps instead of them travelling in their own private vehicles. Even the most polluting steam locomotive would have achieved low emissions "per passeger kilometre travelled". And he certainly would not tolerate sharia law in any of his countries.
13

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09/10/2008 07:53:03
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Reason:
14

AngelaFraser,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 07:59:16
I think this muddle of an article is what happens if you print Labour press releases without a shred of fact-checking:

Snipe at Nats with out-of-context quoting? Check!
Snipe at Tories for expressing support? Check!
Swipe at LibDems for being unable to stick two sentences together? Check!
Snipe at... Oh, wait!

The Blue Peter thing obviously refers to Ofcom fining the BBC for rigged phone-in polls and running fake competitions in connection with the show sometime last year. Which the Prof must have expected his colleagues and the press to knwow. Though considering the quality of the opposition at Holyrood and of this paper's hacks, I'm not surprised that they didn't.
15

Bruce's spider,

09/10/2008 08:02:23
Couldn't disagree with you more Grahamski #9 & #12 Don't you recognise the Scotsman spinning a story out of nothing here? as a previous poster has remarked, if you actually look at what Harvie has said the words "Out of Context" readily spring to mind. At worse Harvie is a gadfly but he that doesn't mean he should be shouted down every time he opens his mouth just because not everyone agrees witn him. Nationalism a bad thing? I suppose it is if you are talking about the chest thumping, flag waving sort that causes armies to march but then there are many different types of nationalism not just the right wing fanatical sort that you refer to.
16

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 09/10/2008 08:11:25
The problem the SNP have is that as they gain seats they run out of moderate sensible Nats to use and the luny fringe come into play.
17

Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/10/2008 08:17:25
16
I take your point (up to a point). The Scotsman, quite properly, allowed Mr Harvie the chance to explain himself which he does with some success. Having said that, it still beggars belief that a man of Mr Harvie's experience would joke about Hitler. As I said, it's just not funny.
His other remarks are typical of the self-serving publicity-seeking 'academic' which Britain throws up now and again. These people seem to specialise in a sneering tilt at popular icons followed by a snide elitist dénouement.
If this clown had stood for our parliament as himself rather than as 'Alex Salmond for First Minister' I rather suspect we wouldn't be having this discussion.
18

Douglas,

Bathgate 09/10/2008 08:25:00
#18 Grahamski: Had Harvie been the first to joke about Hitler then a sharp intake of breath may have been in order.
Maybe some people just need to get out more?
19

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 08:25:57
Every political party has it's eccentrics, although some have more eccentric than others!
20

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 08:29:07
The anti-nat crowd having a serious absence of a sense of humour this morning, I see.
21

Boy Wonder,

09/10/2008 08:29:09
Yes, it appears the SNP govt also has its numpties ... and Harvie, Rumbles and MacAskill are the 3 Stooges Ech has to get rid of!
22

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 08:37:08
This is such a daft story. It will be interesting to see just how many of the usual ant-nat crowd turn up to express mock outrage about.
23

Salmond Rushdie,

09/10/2008 08:40:31
It is the people of Scotland who call the shots.

We should start a national campaign to rid the parliament of idiots like Harvie.

He's a national disgrace. For anyone on hear to say that the Scotsman has taken this 'out of context' needs their heads examined. Harvie obviously made some reference to Hitler. Why does any current day politician have to make any reference to Hitler?

Kick these monkeys out.
24

Bruce's spider,

09/10/2008 08:51:36
What would you prefer Salmon Rushdie #24 that no one mentions Hitler and we act as though he never existed? that is a far more dangerous notion than anything that someone like Harvie could dream up. You'll be getting your own name in headlines in the Murdoch Press if you keep spouting ideas like that.
25

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 08:58:41
People at the BBC "treat themselves as members of a corporation" says Chris Harvie.

That's the British Broadcasting Corporation you're talking about then?

Aye.
26

Fairfax,

09/10/2008 09:00:40
Article: "During his speech, he also described BBC bosses as "munchkins"."

But is this a compliment or an insult? The munchkins are goodies in the Wizard of Oz, providing essential help to Dorothy, although they're short, pathetic, and unable to deal with evil witches. They're hobbits with yellow brick roads.
27

Jwil,

09/10/2008 09:01:00
Mike Rumbles has little room to say "Scotland deserves better...". He appeared to be a total buffoon the last time I saw him on newnight. His part of the discussion didn't progress beyond "we want a tax reduction". i.e paraphrasing the London party line. Once again we should ask what are the libdems for? The performance of their leader Mr Clegg in PMs questions yesterday was also appalling.
28

Venachar,

09/10/2008 09:04:52
Most people do think that Jonathon Ross's salary is ridiculous!
Hilter did use the radio to rable rouse, we got Neville Chamberlain, (in the style of Rev I.M. Jolly) Hello, we have peace in our time!
If David Maddox cannot discriminate between humour, albeit not very good humour, serious debate and politics he should not be writing for this newspaper.
Oh but I forgot the date for the elections has been called in Glenrothes, time to do a bit of SNP baiting. Most people would not know or care who Chris Harvie is but David Maddox just has to tell everyone before his article starts.
29

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 09:45:56
His remarks have been described as "loopy"

Well in that case, him, MacAskill and Robison will make a good trio then, won't they?

Being a Nationalist and voting for the SNP in the hope of "freedom for Scotland" is all well and good, but please take a look at some of the bam-pots you are letting in by the back door during the process.
30

karinxxx,

09/10/2008 09:50:03
hitler hitler hitler hitler.


ooh look how scary i mentioned his name.


this is getting past ridiculous that evil man existed and to deny that he was a human being who might have occasionally done something human is to minimise what he did and attempts to imply hitler was not a man but some kind of devil that didnt have a mother or father and wasnt born but just came into existance.

Even thatcher did something good once the only thing i can think of right enough is giving people the right to buy council houses.

still look where we are now so maybe that isnt a good analogy.

To not talk about hitler or mention his name is to deny the holocaust existed.

in the same vein to minimise what he did by calling people nazis when they do not hold the same views as nazis is also to be a holocaust denier. when people do that then over time other people will stop equating hitler with nazis and the holocaust then you will allow it to happen again.


stop this idiocy now.
31

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 09/10/2008 09:50:41
This headline, which when you read the story, is really divorced from reality, shows how worried some unionists have become, especially with regard to Glenrothes, as do the comments of those unionists who actually try to give it some creadance with their support!
32

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/10/2008 09:52:23
Grahamski,

your attempt to cast all SNP supporters as Nazis is pathetic. David Maddox no doubt saw the mileage to be gained from any reference to Hitler by an SNP MSP. After all, Maddox knows his audience. He frequently panders to its mock moral indignation and self-righteousness. The SNP are no more comparable to Nazis than Gordon Brown is to Stalin.

It will be no surprise that all we get of Prof. Harvie's speech is snippets, not the whole tenor of his argument. That is clearly deliberate. Chris Harvie worked in Germany for many years and perhaps is more aware of the role that media played for the Nazis than his audience. It was, perhaps, a stupid comparison for an SNP politician to make but only because he should have been aware how his comments would be taken out of context by our media.

So Grahamski, you might want to spend a little time thinking of whether you're not supporting the nefarious practices you seem to despise.
33

fresian,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 10:06:09
Petrolhead, You make a fair point about the bampots we are letting in, however, does that not equally apply to all political parties??? The tories have Boris, although I am in favour of him at the monemt, unless he reneges on the motorbikes in bus lanes issue. Liebour have the hypocrite pieboy Prescott and badger Darling, neither of whom I would trust to open a lucky bag. Then you have the totally ineffectual Lib Dems who only have power by latching on to anyone who needs to make up the numbers and is willing to trade votes with them.
34

"Hoots" Fandango,

Hamilton 09/10/2008 10:09:07
2
Richardinho,

"anyone else remember when the Scotsman was a decent newspaper?"

The crosswords used to be good in 1976 - 1977.
35

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 09/10/2008 10:09:31
Grahamski
After reading your constant Unionist drivel it shows how desperate the Unionists are to hang onto any scrap of propoganda to espout their out of touch views.
36

Logie Almond,

09/10/2008 10:12:54
I am not a supporter of the SNP but Christopher Harvie is that rare creature, a politician who actually has interesting ideas of his own about more than just politics. I hope he keeps on giving us things to think about and ignores this silly piece of "journalism".
37

Miss H,

09/10/2008 10:23:57
What a load of rubbish. It reminds me of the fake furoren when Kenny MacAskill referred to the English football team as the Great Satan.

Severe irony deficiency.

38

Doh,

09/10/2008 10:45:57
#28

The purpose of the LibDems should be to provide a new economic framework.

You forget Milton Keynes was a liberal.
Vince Cable is continuing in that tradition of providing good advice and direction.

Just a pity that idiots like you have ignored him for so many years. You are too proud of your ignorance.
39

Doh,

09/10/2008 10:54:55

Maynard Keynes, my mistake, I need nationalised, or at least part nationalised and a bigger bonus.
40

57vintage,

Keith 09/10/2008 10:57:41
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

When anything vaguely critical of the SNP is printed, out come the hackles of the easily-offended, who have no trouble in being offensive on occasions themselves. It's a Scotsman conspiracy. The Scotsman is unionist ("onionist", oh my sides). It's all a plot to underpin Labour ("Liebour", oh my sides again) in Glenrothes.

It's news FFS - and when someone in Holyrood, Westminster or Europe representing me makes a prat of themselves, I want to know, be it Harvie, Sturgeon, Alexander, Rumbles, cameron, Broon, Wishart, Hudgton or Uncle Tom feckin Cobbley.

Paranoia paranoia paranoia.

And the list system, quasi-democratic though it may look is anti-Independents or small parties and plays in favour of the big boys, who by the look of this article and on the evidence of the callow youths who have only ever worked for the party currently struggling with the Access 3 levels of Numeracy required to balance Aberdeen Council books, fill their lists with crackpots and careerists.

There's a shop in Chambers Street selling lives - go get one.
41

hertscot,

09/10/2008 10:59:42
All Nats are definitely not nazis, but it seems there are a few too many d1ckheads.
42

Matt there,

Somewhere 09/10/2008 11:09:30
ERROR MESSAGE>>>

David Maddox>>> = OUT OF CONTEXT.

David Maddox>>> = VOID OF INTLLIGENT CONTENT.

David Maddox>>> - PURGE AND DUMP.
43

SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 11:26:59
What a disgrace to give any praise to Adolf Hitler. The SNP are a disgrace to tolerate the likes of this man! We should be particularly concerned that anyone calling themselves NATIONALISTS can say anything good about German Nationalist Adolf Hitler. Does Harvie also think Hitler's plan to murder Jews and Gypsies was also "intuitive vision"?
44

SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 11:30:17
31. Margaret Thatcher did not condemn 6 Million Jews to the gas chambers! I fail to see your comparison between Mrs. Thatcher, and Adolf Hitler the most hated despotic deluded genocidal maniac of the last century.
45

SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 11:35:45
17 "The problem the SNP have is that as they gain seats they run out of moderate sensible Nats to use and the luny fringe come into play."

That's it in a nutshel. SNP candidates are being scraped up from the bottom of the barrel. The big-mouthed idiot in Glasgow East (who was so poor a candidate that Salmond did the talking and appearances for him in the byelection) is a prime example. What that person has said (when he opened his own mouth) was straight out of the twilight zone.
46

SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 11:42:43
15 AngelaFraser,

Just maybe the other MSP's have better things to do than to watch Children's Television.

No matter how much you and the other SNP 'Professional Bloggers' attempt to excuse this one, he's a joke and his comments are off the scale. No one says nice things about Hitler. Nationalism however is Nationalism, scratch the surface and you will find a FASCIST in below.
47

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 12:01:24
Maddog excels again at the only real talent he has ever displayed feeding cybertrolls.

He goes from:

"He offered no further explanation, but went on to mention Adolf Hitler and BBC founder Lord Reith. "Colonel John Reith of the BBC grasped radio's capacity to inform, educate and entertain. Adolf Hitler saw it as a rabble-rouser," he said.

"Of the two, Hitler was actually the more imaginative because German broadcasting didn't even exist at that point."


TO:

"Blue Peter is evil, Hitler was imaginative and BBC bosses are munchkins"

What a grubby excuse for a political journalistic whoore.
48

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:13:26
Are we now supposed to stop supporting the SNP?
49

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:19:30
This comment may have already been made, but this "story" was being covered in much the same way on Radio Scotland's GMC this morning.

I wonder if SLAB had anything to do with the spinning?
50

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:19:54
Sorry

GMC = GMS
51

Vincent-W,

09/10/2008 12:21:02
I think I like the Prof. I may not agree with all his utterances, but he does behave like a normal human being and not like a party clone.

We need more people like him in politics.
52

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:21:31
#9 Grahamski

And what exactly has got your dander up?
53

Lianachan,

Highlands 09/10/2008 12:22:29
I can't find anything on this (alleged) news site about the disgraceful lack of recognition of veterans of the arctic russian convoys of WW2, which has come from successive UK governments. Other news sites are featuring this story quite prominently.

We get worthless anti-Scottish drivel like the article above, but not a proper Scottish story like the one I mentioned? Pah.
54

danbob,

09/10/2008 12:25:15
Before everybody gets all upset and start taking nationalist or unionist sides why not take a closer look at what he has said. Also bear in mind that newspapers are not traditionally the best guides to honesty. Describing Lockerbie as a dump is silly. He clearly does not know what a real dump of a town is like. Lockerbie in my eyes certainly does not fit that bill. Scottish youths sporting the ugliest clothes. I think he has a point. Scotland is not exactly fashion house of the year is it. His views on the BBC are quite acceptable. Johnathan Ross and that other cretinous object from Rotherham, Clarkson. Are they really worth what their paid? His views on Blue Peter are a little bizarre but I can see what he is getting at. Then we come to Hitler. Put aside the war and the Holocaust which were acts of pure evil. Focus on Hitlers building of German infastructure, Autobahns, railways and broadcasting organisations, and the mad professor suddenly stops looking quite so mad after all. Perhaps though if he wants to be a successful politician a few lessons in diplomacy wouldn't go amiss.
55

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:31:08
#26 Duncan

Being a little bit dishonest by curtailing the quote there dunc:

Here is the quote in full:

"They treat themselves as members of a corporation RATHER THAN that something that is supposed to provide a public service." [My capitals].

Which is a world away from your:

"treat themselves as members of a corporation"

I can't decide whether you are genuinely not clever enough to understand the difference or you simply lie to suit your ends.

I will let others judge.
56

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 12:35:16
55

Look at the context of the quote on Hitler again he isnt saying he thinks Hitler is imaginative at all he is simply comparing Hitler to the unimaginative Lord Reith.
57

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 09/10/2008 12:46:45
#57

Yep I always use Hitler as an example to aspire to.
58

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/10/2008 12:46:57
#44 SNP hypocrisy,

Chris Harvie did not praise Adolf Hitler and, by extension, would not - as you ridiculously suggest - therefore think the murder of jews was acceptable. Are you suggesting that we can have no rational discussion of what the Nazis did at all? It may just be that the reason they manipulated the populace so well was based on their ability to control the media and use it in new ways.

Clearly, you only want to pounce on the comment - as David Maddox did - and draw the absurd conclusion from this that all SNP supporters are Nazis. Where does that leave you? Tarring everyone with the same brush and forcing them into a category you've already decided...is that reasonable do you think?

I've voted SNP for many years not because I am a facist. I'm not, despite your rant. I simply believe that Scotland would be better if voters here could decide our own future by having greater control over the decision-making process. That's not exactly fascist, is it?

You are typical of the unionist mind set (particularly in Labour) who brand others racists to end debate. Can I remind you the debate is about television. And you may like to look up the following on the Reductio ad Hitlerum and Godwin's Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Perhaps, like Grahamski, you might want to think about your tactics and whether or not they undermine the values you claim to uphold.
59

danbob,

09/10/2008 12:49:09
57# Yes I take your point.
60

Puling Prince Roman,

Under my blanket 09/10/2008 12:52:43
The "Hootsdross" death wish.

Chapter 497.
61

Vote UKIP,

09/10/2008 12:53:04
The Scottish National Party are socialist. They are also nationalists, so that makes them national socialists or Nazis. Not surprised that they praise Hitler!!!!!
62

Puling Prince Roman,

Hiding 09/10/2008 13:05:14
A high-profile Scottish political commentator today boasted of performing sex acts with Scottish children. His staggering assertion was made in an article about SNP MSP Chris Harvie.

Pulling random words from the article in no particular order, the following mind-boggling sentence could be read:

"I... touched... Scottish youths... with... my... sort of thing"

Confronted with the evidence of his paedophilia, Son of Beppo, the Performing Monkey fell to his knees, whimpering: "It's no ma fault. Wir jist desperate... Wir desperate. We'll publish anything"
63

Shave,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:10:24
'Academic' says something stupid shock!

This would be a complete non-story had he not been representing the people of Mid Scotland and Fife in Parliament. Or was he just representing himself:-

"Peanuts" were left for academics, said Professor Harvie.
64

John south of Soutra,

09/10/2008 13:11:03
Boy Wonder please explain how Salmond will be able to get rid of Rumbles when he is a LibDem, try and at least get your facts right
65

Arfur,

09/10/2008 13:12:16
described Lockerbie as "a dump" - it is.

castigated Scottish youths for sporting "what must be the ugliest clothes worn by anyone on the entire continent" - they are.

described BBC bosses as "munchkins" - they are.

He criticised a rise in "huge bonuses" for celebrities such as Jonathan Ross and Jeremy Clarkson and complained "peanuts" were left for academics - this is bad why???????

branded popular children's programme Blue Peter "evil" - is scamming kids no longer deemed evil????

Hitler introduced widespread use of the radio to Germany - the guy might of been a complete nutter that killed millions but even a nutter can be forward thinking.

Saddly this is the kind of tosh that we have to put up with from this rag every day.

Hootsman editor - if you want to stop the rot you need to get rid of jokers like David Maddox as soon as possible.


66

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 13:20:13
58

Thats understandable. In your case I have no doubt he is a step up.
67

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 13:22:23
67

Tommorrows headline "CYBERNAT DECLARES HITLER A STEP UP FROM US ALL"
68

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 13:35:00
69

It doesnt matter what NAT MSPs say as far as propaganda sheets such as this rag is concerned it will be taken out of context or completely misquoted altogether and allow the party polical trolls such as yourself the feed in which to engorge yourself with.
69

Scottish Girl,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:48:23
One of the funniest things I have read in ages.....what a wally.
70

The_Reiver,

09/10/2008 13:48:28
Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Salmond,

Wiederswingen mit dem SNP,

Seig Heil!
71

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 13:51:22
#56 I may have been being a little cheeky, but I absolutely deny that I was in any way dishonest. I quoted a complete phrase, not carefully culled words. My simple point was that the BBC *is* a corporation, and it was hardly earth-shattering for me to point it out.

As it happens, I think Chris Harvie is one of the more sensible SNP MSPs, and I think he adds a great deal to Holyrood. Unfortunately he is largely out of step with his party leadership, which is why he languishes on the back benches. This story is just froth, and I'm sure he is glad of the exposure.
72

Puling Prince Roman,

still hiding... 09/10/2008 13:53:22
In a further shocking revelation, Son of Beppo, the Performing Monkey, provided the nation with theappalling details of his disgusting sexual practices. The revelations came in an article ostensibly about Scottish politics:

"First... I ...like...to...have...a dump...while...sporting...sticky-back plastic...and...the...clothes worn by...Adolf Hitler," he said. "Then...mixed...with...a lot of...peanuts...I...describe...it...as...my...'Munchkins'"

Asked for his views on the matter, SNP MSP Chris Harvie commented: "This Son of Beppo dude is one sick, sick, puppy."
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sam the god,

09/10/2008 13:53:54
fair comment cannot see anything wrong with that
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Scotsman in Dublin,

09/10/2008 13:55:18
What a joke. Comments taken out of context and twisted to suit the newspapers political aims.

The unionist obsession with trying to associate the SNP with Hitler is getting tired and old. If you read the headline and first few lines you get a completely skewed impression of what the guy actually said. The Blue Peter ref was a joke referring to the competition fix and the Hitler ref was a comment related to the use of radio, which he followed up by saying Hitler was a "Crazy Racist".

Come on NorthBritishman up the game a little please.
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 09/10/2008 13:59:31
Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of this article.

Well done, Scotsman.
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The McKellarator,

09/10/2008 14:21:47
Re #9 Grahamski

It's not funny, it's not clever and Baron Foulkes of Cumnock is not 'a character', he shames us all. To think that the second largest party in our parliament thinks it acceptable to foist this malicious old goat on to the people of Scotland. Remeber nobody voted for this latterday Enoch Powell and shameless publicity-seeker, he was sneaked in through the lists by Labour part hacks.
I hope they are pleased with themselves.


There that reads better now.
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09/10/2008 14:26:25
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Puling Prince Roman,

...still hiding... 09/10/2008 14:34:14
#79

That is without doubt the cleverest post I have ever seen on the Hootsdross website. You should be writing for "The Dross" yourself.

Actually, you probably are.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/10/2008 14:36:04
78
Here's something out of the ordinary. A cybernat misquotes and lies to score cheap political points, that'll be a first....
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 14:57:11
#73 duncan

You may have quoted a complete phrase, which of course is not a sentence. Now I wonder why you did not quote the complete sentence??

Lies by omission are still lies dunc.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 14:59:24
#83 Very gracious of you. My point still stands even against the whole sentence. And it was a very minor point. And I have expressed admiration for an SNP MSP. And yet your attitude still stinks. Why am I surprised?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 14:59:48
#81 sm753

"I hope you're not planning any trips to Germany or Austria soon, you've just broken their laws, they can read that stuff there and you could be picked up at the airport."

The lunatic is in charge of the asylum again.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 15:01:11
On the strength of this unbiased article, I will be resigning my membership of the SNP forthwith.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 15:06:05
What possessed Maddox and the Scotsman to print such a twisted article when there are many more newsworthy stories about just now?

Circulation figures take another dive.....

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European Scot,

09/10/2008 15:56:39
73 Duncan in Edinburgh

A very honest assessment, and coming from you, dare I say it as a 'Nationalist', very refreshing !
However, the BBC is a little bit more than just a corporation, if one considers that organisation, and its raison d'etre, within the context of the British State.
They are very much the mouthpiece, and supporter of that State.
They have also earned their title 'EBC', being incredibly South East, Anglo centric.
As for Chris Harvie, as you correctly point out the story is froth.
Also, as the 'Scotsman in Dublin' states, again correctly, the comments that were made were quoted out of context.
It's not Adolf Hitler that should have been quoted here in relation to 'the Scotsman', and this dreadful article by Maddox, but more Joseph Goebbels.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 09/10/2008 15:57:10
#88 It just helps to demonstrate how low some staunch unionists and, in fact, this "news"paper will stoop in their pathetic attempts to discredit the SNP at all costs.
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The Master,

09/10/2008 16:07:19
Following the fuss over Dear Leader's admiration for Thatcher's economic policies, you'd think any nationalist politician with an ounce of savvy would know better than to express admiration for the most notorious nationalist politician in world history.

This remark may have been taken out of context, but I think senior Nats should have learnt by now that they should be extremely wary of tainting their modernised brand of "inclusive civic nationalism" by association.
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guenevere,

09/10/2008 16:20:32
First the thatcher gaff then the hitler gaff,do I detect a pattern here? Tick! Tock!
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European Scot,

09/10/2008 16:32:16
91 The Master

" This remark may have been taken out of context, but I think senior Nats should have learnt by now that they should be extremely wary of tainting their modernised brand of "inclusive civic nationalism" by association."

The only people guilty of 'tainting by association'. are those who use the word 'Natz'.
As far as I am aware, that would be exclusively, a certain type of 'Unionist'.
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Matt there,

Somewhere 09/10/2008 17:03:08
Ah! Bless! The Rabid Rebuttal Farce (RRF) are in action again!"

What WOULD the Labour Party do without their ability to spin, lie, obfuscate and be nasty creeps?

Win elections, that's what. So when will Labour seriously start winning elections?

Some time within the next 20 years, at the current success rate of the RRF...
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 17:12:29
#34:

I absolutely 100% agree about stupid labour incompetence. The stupid (new) labour government should never have happened in the first place and whilst they have been in power, they have caused untold damage to the UK as a whole.

I also agree that certain Tories could do better. Archer comes to mind here more than Boris. I like Boris. He gives the impression of being a bumbling fool sometimes but as his past TV appearances in high-brow programs have shown, he is far from being one.

I (possibly wrongly) supposed that the SNP stood for the freedom of Scotland and the People of Scotland, so when they came to power, I was actually quite pleased. However it quickly became apparent that not only were they prepared to continue with stupid labour policy, they were prepared to try to extend it by ridiculous measures.

All I can say at this point (in light of MacAskill's and Robison's latest fascist suggestions) is that thank f**k we have the Westminster government to protect us from them in at least some measure. I know that there are bad politicians in all walks of life but I will never, repeat NEVER back indenpendance or anything like it whilst we have fascists like Robison and MacAskill anywhere near the corridors of power.
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:13:17
Let's look at the facts. The SNP's man has spent a long time teaching in Germany, and seems to have acquired some admiration for the Fuhrer.

As well as this he wrote an interesting article entitled 'Twilight of the gods' (is it just me that is hearing Wagner playing at this point?)

It seems that no matter what the SNP do and no outrageous it may be, the little Natz on this board (from the comfort of their rooms at their mummy's house) will excuse and condone even praise for the most hated Nationalist in history. They turn their venom on this paper but the stroy is in fact widely reported across the media.

There is nothing good can be said about Adolf Hitler. The Autobahns were in order to get his armies to the East, his trains ran on time but only to the local concentration camps.

Harvie ought to be suspended from the Parliament, and asked to explain his admiration for Hitler.
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:14:30
92 guenevere, "First the thatcher gaff then the hitler gaff,do I detect a pattern here?"

Indeed guenevere, how long before Herr Salmonella appears in a brown-shirt?
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Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 17:23:00
92 guenevere, "First the thatcher gaff then the hitler gaff,do I detect a pattern here?"

Given the "Thatcher gaff" was Salmond commenting on Scots rejection of Thatcherm, and the "Hitler gaff" is just a statement that evil can be imaginative, I also see a pattern.

The pattern is of tediously negative, desperate and panicking unionists twitching and writhing over any anti-SNP slanted story, in the pathetic belief that people care about their froth and spin more than they do about substantive issues facing our country.

Gaffs, or catastrophic errors, might include illegal wars, Northern Rock, loss of half the countries' private data, cutting millionnaires inheritance tax while upping tax on the poorest...

But do by all means carry on with your hysterical and self satisfied gaff-detection - - it just shows up the unionists for the rather desperate, negative, spin obsessed force they are, with nothing of substance to offer.
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Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 17:25:13
97. Prime example of unionist contribution to debate - while New Labour collaborate with illegal rendition, illegal wars, detention of children at Dungavel and nuclear proliferation, the high minded unionist argument deals with infantile tedium like this.

And the unionists still wonder why the SNP won last year and are massively popular still?
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:27:18
99. Actually the SNP didn't win last year with just 47 out of 129 MSP's and 184,000 votes declared void - they never came close to winning.
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Alan B,

09/10/2008 17:27:37
And the real issue is the BBC are failing Scotland.

BBC national news is International and English news. Cannot see anyother way that having a separate Scottish news. Hopefully that would not be as parocial as the BBC news is at the moment.
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:30:13
101. They do! It's called Reporting Scotland. Are you even Scottish? Doesn't sound like it. You sound more like one o