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Salmond blamed for 'cancer of bigotry'



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Published Date: 14 September 2008
FORMER First Minister Jack McConnell has condemned Alex Salmond for his "disgraceful" decision to abandon all-out war on sectarianism, warning he risks being remembered as a "political coward".
McConnell, who made anti-sectarianism a top priority and planned regular meetings between church leaders, says Salmond has let Scotland down by taking a low-key approach and claims the "cancer" of religious bigotry is already returning.

The unwrit
ten convention is that former First Ministers do not directly criticise their successors, but McConnell uses an interview in this weekend's Scottish Catholic Observer newspaper to condemn Salmond in the strongest terms.

He says: "Sectarianism is like a cancer – if you don't keep on the attack it starts to grow back. That is what has happened: the treatment has been stopped and the cancer is coming back."

McConnell says he assumed that his own strategy – which included regular summits between leaders of the Catholic and Protestant communities – would continue. "His (Salmond's] reluctance to do so and his refusal to provide an adequate explanation is disgraceful and I think he has let Scotland down," McConnell adds.

Salmond, he says, had "let his foot off the pedal", allowing those who "peddle bigotry and hate on both sides to feel they can get away with it". He said he had never considered Salmond to be "a political coward, but if he doesn't do something about this (sectarianism] that's what history will remember him as".

McConnell's anti-sectarian campaign dates back to 2002 when he first declared his intention, as First Minister, to rid the country of "Scotland's shame". It followed a parliamentary drive which recommended a crackdown on sectarianism, following numerous shocking incidents, including the fatal stabbing of a young Celtic fan in Glasgow.

A new offence of religiously motivated crime has been introduced, while new restrictions have been placed on marches and parades.

The response to sectarianism has flared up again over the summer after Celtic coach Neil Lennon was beaten unconscious in Glasgow by an attacker who abused him as a "Fenian bastard".

McConnell adds: "He (Salmond] should reconvene the anti-sectarianism summit by the end of the year. He should be willing to work with all parties on this and he should make very clear that the eradication of sectarianism is a prerequisite of a modern Scotland in the 21st century."

However, the SNP Government insisted the time for yet more summits on the matter had passed. A source close to the First Minister said: "These remarks are ridiculous and quite unbecoming of a former First Minister. Alex Salmond's commitment to and leadership in combating sectarianism is second to none.

"There is general recognition that endless summits are not the answer. The electorate judged Jack McConnell's administration last year and found it badly wanting. Jack should get used to it – he should not be sowing division on an issue which can and must unite politicians right across Scotland. He is just making himself look foolish."

Salmond's office also pointed out last night that Salmond – unlike McConnell – had specifically sought to sweep away the Act of Settlement, the law which bars a Catholic from marrying an heir to the throne.

Labour critics of Salmond's strategy privately allege that the SNP leader dumped the plans following pressure from the Catholic Church. The Church's bishops are known to have become irritated that the focus on sectarianism had encompassed questions over the future of Catholic schools.

The Catholic Church last night said it was "very supportive of Jack McConnell's desire to put sectarianism at the top of the agenda", but was not "particularly thirled" to a particular form of anti-sectarian action.

A spokesman added that it had been "unfortunate" that the summits had brought up the question of Catholic education once again.





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1

Labour Sleeze Reporter,

14/09/2008 08:57:20
But he is fighting the cancer that is Liebour
2

The Strategist,

14/09/2008 09:04:57
What on earth is this newspaper doing reporting this twaddle.
3

Senga Jean,

14/09/2008 09:07:41
It is sad that Jack should go so negative. Salmond ,like all/most political leaders find sectarianism abhorrent but realise that that there is a time to be subtle and a time to be harsh. Get that wrong and the sectarian bully boys win. Sectarianism,like racism comes from weakness not strength. It is the supposed victim status that gives it impetus. (We are overrun;they take our jobs etc,etc) Salmond plays a cool game in difficult circumstances!
4

Jimmy Le Pie,

14/09/2008 09:09:10
Aye he was responsible for the 1st World War, Vietnam, assassinating JFK and fought in the Battle of the Boyne.

Are you serious, Joke?????
5

Hector the Red,

14/09/2008 09:10:46
Jack McConnel had the chance to tackle sectarianism at it's roots when he was in power by getting rid of segregated schools, instead all he did was target Celtic and Rangers fans, and he has the cheek to call Salmond a political coward.
Seperating children on the basis of their religion is the starting point for sectarianism ny creating a "them and us" scenario which is unfortunately re-inforced by the actions of the parents.
Get rid of this antiquated system and Scotland will be a better place for everybody.

Keep religion to places of worship, out of harms way!

That's my rant for this morning.......I'm off to church.
6

SlyFifer,

Somewhere south of Fife 14/09/2008 09:10:58
Another non story. McConnel breaking with tradition of not criticising another 1st Minister. His track record on this subject is mournful and at least Alex Salmond is moving the subject forward in a constructive low key way. Scotland is riven with sectarianism which some of it's institutions seek to foster. Untangling this mess requires a soft touch and that's exactly what Salmond is doing. Let it work. Just another non story and any excuse to attack the SNP. Soon, with luck and good judgement on behalf of the Scottish people, there will be no Liebour party to worry about. Then, and only then can the old wounds heal and Scotland move forward into the 21st century.
7

Richardinho,

14/09/2008 09:11:24
Labour's solution to everthing is to form a committee, publish lots of glossy brochures, award themselves large expense accounts etc. They seem incapable of accepting that there might be other ways of doing things, despite the fact that their way is a constant failure.
Sectarianism will stop when people decide themselves to stop, not when some politicians tells them.
8

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 14/09/2008 09:12:46
But the biggest supporters of the union and the Labour party are the Orange Lodge and they dont get anymore biggotted nor sectarian than them. I dont ever remember Jack McConnell attacking the Orange lodge in any shape or form does anybody else? in fact his government supported their right to march where ever they wanted.
9

danielrober,

14/09/2008 09:13:18
Regular communication is important.

Personally I'm Anglican/Presbyterian and my partner is Catholic. We have decided to get married by a reverend from a third church. You can bet not all our relatives are happy, but we keep on talking (to each other).
10

Calum10,

14/09/2008 09:14:09
Lets be brutal - More lies from a discredited Labour politician and a discredited newspaper journalist.

The SOS's personal smear campaign against Alex Salmond has back-fired once more.

11

Richardinho,

14/09/2008 09:15:21
Just a point before this thread quite likely gets binned;
Protestant bigots want away with Catholic schools.
'anti-sectarian' campaigners want away with Catholic schools.

I'm not saying that these two are necessarily related, but I will suggest that if you got rid of Catholic schools, it would represent a massive victory for the bigots and would intensify, not lessen, sectarian hatred.
12

beckypumps1,

Fife 14/09/2008 09:16:39
Who needs the sun when you have the hootsman. Was the black skirted one in favour of stopping single faith schools, Until that happens we will have bigots and even when we do teach our kids together it will still take a good generation or 2.
13

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 14/09/2008 09:17:15
Well we have the latest tome from steady Eddie, no change either in outlook or content. Trying to keep Jumping Jack Flash in the news with some of the sour belly aching that has emanated from our former First Minister ever since he departed office.

Should Jumping Jack not be departing soon for Malawi and take steady Eddie with him to turn the cooling fans on and off, that would appear to be an advancement more in keeping with his old news stories he allows his name to be as the bye line.
14

Kenny A,

14/09/2008 09:17:39
Jack who

Jack what

Jack s...it

IF HE WAS ANY GOOD HE WOULD STILL BE IN CHARGE

Not sure if even this cheapest of thoughts was even slightly thought out.

Not a Salmond fan to any great extent but this is just pathetic. And bet Salmond is loving it.

Off to the old vomitoriam, air is fresher there.
15

Boy Wonder,

14/09/2008 09:17:55
Joke McConnell did much good as a leader ... so what makes him think he can do better now?

Twonk!!!
16

Kenny A,

14/09/2008 09:20:35
Oh yes , Jack "assumed", as all old ish soldiers know assumption is the Mother of all F...K ups

Give this man a banana and an instruction manual
17

Venachar,

14/09/2008 09:22:32
If McConnell had been really serious about this he would have done away with faith schools, he's the coward!
18

LEAL,

14/09/2008 09:22:36
McConnell did little in all his years in government to end sectarianism,except generate hot air.Sectarianism is dwindling away and will continue to do so as Scots start to take a pride in their Scottish identity.Bigotry is socially unacceptable in all but a very few,very small circles usually found in football grounds.I think McConnell regrets the fact that he acheived nothing as first minister and is trying to blame Mr Salmond for his own inadequacies.McConnell will only ever be remembered for wearing a skirt.
19

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 14/09/2008 09:23:33
He backed down on trams in face of opposition from other parties. Can't see him being brave here.
20

JenJen,

WestIsBest 14/09/2008 09:24:56
#3 "It is the supposed victim status that gives it impetus. (We are overrun;they take our jobs etc,etc) "

Totally agree with you but that's pretty thin ice when we're talking about nationalist politics isn't it? Just look at all the outraged subjugated nation, blame-it-on-the-English twaddle that regularly infests these boards (usually originating somewhere in Canada or the US). "Take our jobs" came up just the other day about English people staffing something or another.
21

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14/09/2008 09:26:18
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Reason:
22

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 14/09/2008 09:28:33
Soft on sectarianism; soft on the causes of sectarianism.

The SNumptyPs have only one platform. They should stick to it as, as soon as they step into other areas they stumble. They are a pressure group, not a political party.
23

donald,

glasgow 14/09/2008 09:29:41
What a cheek from the right wing Unionist Party that has played the sectarian card both ends to the middle for generations. "Home Rule is Rome Rule". A Free Scotland is a Free Kirk", etc.

You could start with the Labour Unionist Board at Parkheid and the Labour MPs, MSPs, MEPs, Cooncillors, Tame Union hacks and their contractor chums who frequent the Old Firm.

Token gestures by the Old Firm and Union Jack McConnell has done nothing to stem the bigotry, or save one life. Only the enforced amalgamation of the Old Firm, forcing them to wear blue and green, or a complete ban on them and any other team that tries to stat up on that basis will end the shame of Scotland and Unionism's biggest ally. It's only a game of football turned into a Unionist Institution.
24

shivago8,

livingston 14/09/2008 09:31:27
McConnell did SFA all the time he was in power.
The man is a joke
Scotlands disgrace.
Dont allow him anywhere near power,unless it is electric
25

albanman,

14/09/2008 09:32:26
The issue of sectarianism, once so rife in Scotland (in the 1960s I was turned down for a job at the Clydesdale Bank because of my Catholicism), now appears to be confined to the area of football, particularly Celtic/Ranger and Hearts/Hibs (for some reason it happily doesn't exist in the Dundee/Dundee United rivalry). I'm not a frequent follower of the beautiful game, but I would have thought that football clubs would be the organisations most responsible for tackling sectarianism in an effective manner.

This is my 30th year of teaching in secondary schools, and most of the kids of today are, in my experience, non-religious. I imagine that the majority of those responsible for sectarian insults and crimes wouldn't have a clue as to what a Catholic or Protestant (of any ilk) believes. About 5 years ago I taught an S2 pupil who said he hated Catholics (but couldn't say why), and was thrown into observable confusion when I told him that I am Catholic (because he liked me). The next day he approached in a most uncharacteristically sheepish manner with the assurance that he still liked me, but that his dad had told him Catholics were bad because they wanted to "get rid of the Queen and unite Scotand to Ireland". It had nothing to do with religion.

I'm not saying this to belittle the problem, but I don't believe sectarianism is widespread outside of the football. If I'm wrong, I'm certainly open to being enlightened.
26

Joe,

Morrison Street 14/09/2008 09:35:13
#22..SNP a pressure group whose supporters constantly harangue and intimidate both Scotsman Publications and anyone who dares not openly support their cause...
27

The McKellarator,

14/09/2008 09:36:19
#22 Rulesbutnotrulers

Soft on Labour cronyism; soft on the causes of Labour cronyism.

You forget old crocus they are not a pressure group but your Government.

FOUR MORE YEARS
28

radge dug,

Alba gu brath! 14/09/2008 09:39:29
DID McConnel ban Orange Marches? Work to end 'faith education'? Protect asylum seekers?

Maybe the reason why Labour won't work against the bigots in the Orange Order and at Ibrox is that they too are 'Unionists' - supporting the imperialist, warmongering and out of date concept that is the 'UK'.
29

MacGillicuddy,

14/09/2008 09:40:48
#8
Absolutel correct. It is now time the Orange Order was proscribed.
30

radge dug,

14/09/2008 09:41:24
#28 - eh? So even the English SNP minister Michael Russel is 'anti-English'? Are the Norwegians 'anti-Danish' for mainting their independence? What about Fine Gael in Eirinn? Are the Unionists therefore 'anti-Scottish'?
31

John S,

14/09/2008 09:43:36
Alex Salmond risks being remembered as a "political coward".
Now what did McConnell see as his unique achievements during his 5 years as First Minister ?
According to an internal document obtained by The Observer(November 19 2006) Jack McConnell's major achievements during his 5 years as First Minister are:
The Fresh Talent initative and the reverse of Scotland's population decline
Banning smoking in enclosed public spaces in Scotland
Taking measures to reduce sectarianism
Continuing aid to Malawi
http://tinyurl.com/6o7ctj
32

radge dug,

14/09/2008 09:43:39
My Labour coucillor when younger was member of the Orange Order who addressed a huge rally at Leith Links and told us 'Protestants' to get on our white horses and fight the Catholic menace.

Labour were so outraged that he rose to become convener of the Labour council.
33

radge dug,

14/09/2008 09:44:56
I wouldn't worry too much about Labour sniping - mind they called striking fire-fighters 'fascists'?!
34

Kenny A,

14/09/2008 09:46:22
22

No offense intended but what are you on. I am baffeled this time.
35

Nikostratos,

14/09/2008 09:48:56
sectarianism the snp love it
36

GM,

14/09/2008 09:52:49
@28

lets not forget your own, multitude, of spite and hate filled posts concerning the so called islam-fest...


aye, 'bigot' and 'racist' are to this generation the 'commie' of 1960's America... assinine abuse dished out where all other attempts to belittle the opposition fail, and no more than smear in the hope that some mud sticks.
37

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 14/09/2008 09:53:00
I couldn't care less what a former Labour first minister says; whenever anybody from that shameful party speaks I just put my fingers in my ears and hum loudly. Out with the lot of them.
38

TWC,

Ayrshire 14/09/2008 09:58:31
Sectarianism is bad but the reason Jack got involved in it was because he was not allowed to talk about big national issues just wee West of Scotland issues.
He should have been representing the whole of scotland the way ALL the other parties are trying to do.
39

Me, myself and I,

Livingston 14/09/2008 10:03:53
Tell me ...

Is there a department within the SNP administration/party with a couple of wee geeks on their desktops with multiple user id's, who spend all day on these forums attacking anyone who questions the blessed Saint Alex?

Day after day the same usual suspects get up at the crack of dawn to post the first comments to the Great One.

One mans organisational excellence is another mans propaganda.

Maybe the moderators and IT department should trace the isp addresses? Could have some interesting results?
40

Brodric,

14/09/2008 10:08:29
This is a very delicate situation to handle and I think that the softly softly approach is a better one - and Salmond's attitude towards getting rid of the antiquated law of no catholics marrying the heir to the throne would go a long way to showing that things have changed.

For the rest, we live in a multi-cultural, multi-religious society and I think it is offensive that the Orange Order is allowed to do all the marches it does, whether in Scotland or Ireland. It celebrates a time of violence against catholics, suppression of a religious belief and the murder of priests.

Can you imagine if there were celebrations to mark the 1746 Act of Proscription and the success of the Duke of Cumberland against the Scots - there would be an outcry.

The Marches deserve the same outcry.
41

brownlie,

14/09/2008 10:09:22
28 sm753

Unconscious irony in the sentence "The Fat Minister leads a party which revels in bigotry..." especially in view of your constant description of the First Minister in this fashion.

However, I am more concerned about the head-line. At my local supermarket today a hugh poster for the Scotland on Sunday states "Salmond blamed for cancer of bigotry".

As very few people buy the Scotland on Sunday - even at half-price - it is that extremely misleading head-line that shopper will notice.
42

Marga,

Fife 14/09/2008 10:09:23
And slightly off-topic - just look at the section above, headed

More Scottish National Party

What a set of bigoted headlines! The sectarian nature of this newspaper's coverage of the SNP set out for all to see.
43

brownlie,

14/09/2008 10:14:49
40 me etc

Why this obscession with size? sm753 refers to "Fat Minister" and you refer to "wee geeks". Our unionist cause is not helped by such puerile name-calling.
44

LiviGuy,

14/09/2008 10:16:19

Cardinal O'Brien says in the Scotsman today that sectarianism should be called anti-catholicism. We he should have tried walking home from a non-denominationalschool past a catholic school. I did, and was regularly attacked and beaten up for being an 'orange b****d'.

Of course, that doesn't excuse atacks on catholics, which are equally despicable, but don't tell me that sectarianism is just aimed at catholics.
45

JenJen,

WestIsBest 14/09/2008 10:17:51
#40 you're so right!

The irony is that this kind of blinkered hero-worship is actually off-putting to normal Scots such as myself who are at least thinking of voting SNP for a sustained number of times.

I just don't wish to be associated with these intolerant, over-excited, aggressive people.

I've no doubt at all that they would say "blah blah blah Unionists are exactly the same or worse, here's the evidence".

They seem to forget that the SNP still has a way to go to change the inherent unionist nature of this country (look at the polls) and this kind of nagging, shrill, obsessive hero-worship is counter-productive.

They should just sit down, shut up and let the excellent (sadly, uniquely so) Mr. Salmond get on with it.
46

GM,

14/09/2008 10:21:16
@40

I have to keep posting this occassionally -

The only *confirmed* users of multi I.D.'s on these forums so far have all been unionists.
47

Scunner,

Bonnie Scotland 14/09/2008 10:24:07
Bringing religious leaders together is a waste of time. Genuine church goers could not care less about what religion someone is. Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic Football Clubs are the real reason behind Scotlands shame.
48

'smise,

Edinburgh 14/09/2008 10:24:08
You consistently report anything negative about the SNP. Never the positives. This article is so biased it is pathetic.
49

Senga Jean,

14/09/2008 10:25:29
#20 Scotland's problems are Scotland's problems. It has nothing to do with the English. Your view of the SNP is way out of date if it was ever true. Self confidence is the best answer to bigotry of any colour! I repeat Salmond is leading a very wise response to sectarianism.
50

danielrober,

14/09/2008 10:30:55
# 25 albanman,

100% agree.
51

'smise,

Edinburgh 14/09/2008 10:31:11
Religious bigotry is a Religious problem. Let the clerics and their congregations get on with living in a non sectarian way. They have a lot of work to do! The first thing to aim for is universal nondenominational education.
52

brownlie,

14/09/2008 10:31:30
46 jen jen

If you're looking for negativity, nagging, shrillness and obsession you need look no further than the multiple users such as "Highland Mighty/British Pride/Paisley 'Playground' Pete/Ciderman/Dane Bramage/Soup Kitchen/Alfred E Neuman etc etc" who do more damage to our unionist cause than any nat on this thread.
53

Nikostratos,

14/09/2008 10:31:37
Oh do shut up snp drones sectarianism will be rife in an Independent scotland as the nationalist try to drive the unionists into the sea...........you lot know it why deny the truth?
54

livilion,

livingston 14/09/2008 10:32:32
46 JenJen,WestIsBest
Aye everyone who thinks and acts the way you do is 'normal', but everyone else is intolerant, over-excited and aggressive.

Pardon me Sunshine but in the words of the Bard:-

" O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
An foolish notion:
What airs in dress an gait wad lea'es us,
An ev'n devotion! "

Aye it's not us that's bigotted it's their lot.
55

Electric Hermit,

14/09/2008 10:33:19
A secular state is founded on secular institutions. Not the least of which is the education system. In one sense Jack McConnell is right. Salmond's pandering to the religiously deluded is as unacceptable as his own.

I don't just want an independent Scotland. I want an independent ENLIGHTENED Scotland.
56

Boaby,

Glasgow 14/09/2008 10:41:22
Although the story is utter nonsense, we should give thanks to Eddie Barnes for coming up all the way from England to write appalling drivel for the worst paper in circulation. Thanks Eddie.
57

Vivas,

Edinburgh 14/09/2008 10:41:45
Eddie Barnes favourite song is "Puppet on a string".
58

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 14/09/2008 10:42:02
Gradually, religious sectarianism will fade away. Sadly however it willbe replaced by something else - that's just how it is. 'Joke' and his jottings will make no difference..... so no change there then!




Yours etc

Angus Whitton
59

JenJen,

WestIsBest 14/09/2008 10:42:31
#55

Glad you've figured that out, sweetie. The big news is, most people (aka voters) think of themselves as normal and everyone else as being the exception. The sooner you start to understand that, the sooner you guys might start using persuasion rather than shrill, sneering browbeating.

As predicted, a list of "Unionist" negatives appeared and indeed they are negatives. The difference is, they are the status quo and that's what will be most difficult to change. Currently, you are putting the floating middleground off with your approach. Perhaps you should go back and read that timeless poem yourself?

#50 Good - and I'll look forward to you making that point firmly when the expats appear again.
60

MNS,

Scotland 14/09/2008 10:45:54
My daughter has just started her education at a Catholic school. My wife grew up in 'the troubles' of Northern Ireland with personal tragedy. I was educated in Scotland. The church was The Church of Scotland. Hanging 'pride of place' at the entrance to my daughter's Catholic school (which is attended by children of multiple denominations)is a copy of a press article From The Sunday Times January 7, 2007. It states that Alex Salmond said : "I think the record of Catholic schools is first rate in Scotland" http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article1289566.ece

Make your own mind up!
61

chico y,

14/09/2008 10:47:52
A new low for this rag.

On a day when it's beloved liebour are in disarray and meltdown, on it's front page it comes up with a trashy, sick article trying to link cancer, Salmond and sectarianism.

This paper and this "journalist" are a disgrace.

Liebour have fuelled sectarianism for decades for their own divide and rule agenda.

No doubt this will get deleted as soon as I post it.
62

Tynietiger,

14/09/2008 10:49:17
McConnell's comments were made days ago and reported elsewhere. I suppose Labour press office had no other anti SNP stories for SoS to put on front page and lazy journalists couldn't go out and get a proper story.

This morning's Herald reports that BBC banning Iain MacWhirter from Radio and TV because of some antii BBC comments he made to the Scottish Broadcasting Commission .. oh and he has been generally sympathetic to new SNP government which must concern the BBC Labour Mafia no end.
63

"Hoots" Fandango,

14/09/2008 10:50:01
What a comic this apology for a newspaper has become.
Dive - dive - dive......
64

brownlie,

14/09/2008 10:50:04
54 Nikos

Morning, how's the dog? What a strange view you take on the political situation in Scotland if you confuse a desire for independence with sectarianism.
65

FC Barcelona,

14/09/2008 10:50:12
what a garbage newspaper this is !!
66

"Hoots" Fandango,

14/09/2008 10:53:04
McConnell the shagger should shut his cake-hole.
67

Boaby,

Glasgow 14/09/2008 10:53:11
#63
How ironic is that? The BBC have employed The Herald's Douglas Fraser who when reading his article last week, I thought I was reading The Hootsman as it was so biased towards Labour and very badly written.
The good news is though that Johnston Press lost £108m last year and their shares have dropped by around 500% in the last 12 months so it is only a matter of time before the company and this appalling paper closes.
68

Scotish Exile,

14/09/2008 10:53:11
The quality or lack of quality of articles in this newspaper, just gets worse. McConnell should keep his mouth shut, what did he do on this matter.....nowt. He had some meeting, big deal, what actually chaned..nothing.
Nothing will change whilst we have denominational and non-denominational schools. The state should run one school that all religions go to, if you want a catholic, or jewish, or muslim school for your sprogs pay for it yourself!
69

livilion,

livingston 14/09/2008 10:53:31
54 Nikostratos

So you don't share my view that sectarianism only serves the interests of the Westminster Establishment?


Devide and conquer/rule was and still is the ethos that built an empire, over which the sun never set, begun with Scotland and Ireland.

"So long as they are occupied fighting each other they'll be too busy to notice who's stirring it in the first place."

Not convinced?

From the Act of Settlement 1701, curiously after 300 years still in force:
Quote
""And it was thereby further enacted, that all and every person and persons that then were, or afterwards should be reconciled to, or shall hold communion with the see or Church of Rome, or should profess the popish religion, or marry a papist, should be excluded, and are by that Act made for ever incapable to inherit, possess, or enjoy the Crown and government of this realm, and Ireland, and the dominions thereunto belonging, or any part of the same, or to have, use, or exercise any regal power, authority, or jurisdiction within the same: and in all and every such case and cases the people of these realms shall be and are thereby absolved of their allegiance: and that the said Crown and government shall from time to time descend to and be enjoyed by such person or persons, being Protestants, as should have inherited and enjoyed the same, in case the said person or persons, so reconciled, holding communion, professing or marrying, as aforesaid, were naturally dead""
Endquote

Why still only catholics? no mention of jews, muslims or any other religion inspite of our current 'war on terror'?

And why did the Unionist parties at Westminster block the SNP's bill to have the Act of Settlement repealed?
70

bluehead,

edinburgh 14/09/2008 10:55:56
perhaps it would all be waste of time,for there is little doubt that there is more Big idiots than bigots
in this world,in fact it would seem that them who gibber incoherently against bigotry,are the biggest bigots themselves,these bampots should take a long walk of a short pier,it might cool them down.
71

Baby Driver,

Nirvana 14/09/2008 10:58:17
#41 Aye Brodric - the "Peacemongers" within the church of Rome were never known to get blood on their hands!!! There all as bad as each other. There haven't been too many wars where Religion wasn't an issue. There are still too many within the power mongering hordes of local, national and international government who play on the "hard done to" card at every turn. If you want it stopped, identify them and vote them out at the next opportunity. Or does it suit everyone to keep the "mouthpiece" in place?
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guenevere,

14/09/2008 11:02:54
Salmond doesn't care!the more disharmony in Scotland, the more it suits his purpose!
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livilion,

livingston 14/09/2008 11:03:21
54 Nikostratos

Forgot to mention, but as you can see from the extract at #70, Mr McConnell is in breach of the Act of Settlement himself as a Celtic Park season ticket holding good catholic he was and still is under that act should legally be barred from holding government office.
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guenevere,

14/09/2008 11:04:46
71. And you should go play on the M8!
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Backofthenet,

14/09/2008 11:08:03
"Sectarianism is dwindling away" (#18)

This is true and is backed up by the research done by Prof Bruce and his team at Aberdeen University. We have more significant problems in this country than something now largely confined to nasty, tribalistic songs sung at football matches.

As for the Act of Settlement it is an irrelevance to ordinary people's lives and it would take a great deal of time and trouble to do away with. The monarch must be in communion with the Church of England so that excludes all kinds of people including many Protestants - not that they are likely to become monarch anyway!
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weh,

14/09/2008 11:10:47
What on earth is this newspaper doing reporting this twaddle."

This? A "newspaper"????

As i've said before, ONLY buy it to use when you run out of Andrex-its actually better quality!
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"Hoots" Fandango,

14/09/2008 11:11:06
*******SNP RESPONSIBLE FOR HURRICANE IKE*******

According to our sources, The SNP is responsible for hurricane Ike. An insider blamed the recent whirlwind tour.
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brownlie,

14/09/2008 11:11:49
73 & 75 guenevere

Good morning, Granny Guenevere, what a pleasure to read your enlightened contributions this morning!
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"Hoots" Fandango,

14/09/2008 11:14:31
*******SNP SUPPORT GROWS EVERY DAY*******

According to our sources, the growth in support for the SNP has been put down to the "guenevere" factor. The support grows in direct proportion to the number of her posts. This growth was last seen during the "kimba" factor.
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brownlie,

14/09/2008 11:17:30
80 "Hoots"

Leave the granny bashing to those with experience of doing so.
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Mcsnagpile,

14/09/2008 11:20:52
There are no religious bigots in Scotland. In fact where the clergy preached against gambling they are turning churches into casinos, Where they preached against alcohol they are turning churches into pubs, where they preached against the painted ladies of the bight they have turned the churches into night clubs. The heathen religions of the past now preach on their pulpits.

The only Cathedral left is Hamden.

So what are you all moaning about?
Jis hiram or firem
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roughrider,

Glasgow 14/09/2008 11:21:26
Mealy mouthed london brown noser JOKE Mconnell the loser should see a shrink.
His vile hatred of A.Salmond and the SNP is twisting his little pea brain mind.
Why dosnt he p*ss off to Malawi .No you cant till london lets you eh ,JOKE.
Sad little no mark.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 14/09/2008 11:23:27
Maybe one day this comic will put two and two together and work out why it's sales are falling faster than Toom Tabbards personal popularity. I'm not holding my breath though.

It will be a sad day when it finally goes breests-up, however I respect their right to commit this drawn-out commercial suicide. NorthBrit towers will then probably become a hotel, just like it's former premises on North Bridge.
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Venachar,

14/09/2008 11:24:53
Don't forget the question of segregated schools was pretty high up on the "to do" list when the Holyrood Parliament opened. What was the first thing our erstwhile MSP's including McConnell did? Give themselves a pay rise.
Get off to Malawi McConnell and don't come back you useless lump.
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Alex Scott,

Glasgow 14/09/2008 11:26:26
That McConnell’s comments about ‘sectarianism’ appear in the Scottish Catholic Observer tells us all we need to know about this busted flush. He hijacked Donald Gorrie’s poorly considered ideas and passed them off as his own in a crude attempt to cement his power base in west-central Scotland. His so-called crusade against ‘sectarianism’ was a dumbed-down, one-sided travesty in which songs sung at football matches were deemed to be all-important whilst broaching the subject of Scotland’s segregated education system resulted in accusations of ‘bigotry’.

The issue of ‘sectarianism’ has been deliberately overblown by those who wish to ensure that Rangers fans become Scotland’s new whipping boys.

The real danger lies in institutional sectarianism within the Labour Party, local government and much of the public sector throughout west-central Scotland, although I suspect this is an area upon which McConnell and the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church are grateful a compliant media will not touch.


Incidentally, I notice Scotland on Sunday - as has been the case with every other Scottish media outlet - insists on avoiding the word 'alleged' in connection with the incident involving Neil Lennon. This is yet another indication that the standards of journalism in Scotland are as low as those we normally attribute to our politicians.

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livilion,

livingston 14/09/2008 11:28:41
76 Backofthenet
How hard can it be to say 'all in favour of letting catholics also be eligible to be British Head of State say AYE'?

If the Act of Settlement denied non-whites or non-males the throne of England, how long do you imagine it would it have remained on the statutes?
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 14/09/2008 11:32:41
Many will be puzzled at McConnell's attack on Salmond?

Sectarianism is ingrained in Calvinist Scotland, especially West, Central Scotland. Some might say this cancer is part of Scottish working class culture!

However, it was never a real problem until the late 19th, early 20th Century, when an influx of thousands of Catholics AND Protestants from Ulster arrived in Scotland and brought their "traditions" with them to their new home.

One Scots historian described West, Central Scotland as just another Irish County.

By the 1930s, after the British Empire partitioned the Island of Ireland, debates at the General Assembly of the Kirk regularly attacked Catholics who, after all were still British citizens from Northern Ireland, for undercuting wages, and allegedly taking Scots jobs?

In the 1950s, Scots working class Protestants were great supporters of the 'Unionist' Party which had well over half of the Scottish Westminster seats! These were the halcyon days of the Tory Party when it could rely on gerrymandering the true working class vote by reason of religious preference!

However, the title 'Unionist' was later dropped in favour of the 'Conservative' Party. Many less than well informed Scots working class Protestant trades union members slowly changed their voting patterns to the Labour Party after they realised they had been voting for the "bosses party".
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Backofthenet,

14/09/2008 11:35:22
#87

Removing the Act of Settlement would require an Act of Parliament not only in the UK but in every other country where our monarch is head of state. Our parliament and theirs have better things to do. And, like I said, it is not only Catholics who are excluded from (the wildly unlikely prospect of) being monarch.
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Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 14/09/2008 11:40:33
McConnells an idiot. he has no right to pass judgement on Salmond after the shambles that he called a scottish labour government, he fails to see that he himself has been one of the keyu factors in the push for independence, and he helped very nicely.
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Billy1690,

14/09/2008 11:41:07
It didn't take long for the enemies of free speesch and assembly -at least the speech and assemblies they dislike- to crawl from underneath the green slime. Here they are:#8, 29, 30, 33 and 41.

They want to persecute and proscribe an organisation that commemorates the overthrow of divine right kings and paved the way for the freedoms that have grown since 1688 -including their freedom to post their bigotted idiocies here.
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Venerable Bede,

14/09/2008 11:43:20
PLEASE IGNORE GUENEVERE - SHE IS NOT ACTUALLY ENGLISH, SHE IS A GERMAN TRYING TO MAKE US ENGLISH LOOK BAD.

We here in England know that Salmond is an effective "boss" and that Scotland is going great guns. If you guys want to go it alone it is 1. Not for us to say/complain, and, 2. Entirely understandable.

I suspect that this article/headline borders on slander. Anyone with half a brain can see that bigotry is a deeply ingrained issue in the West of Scotland, yet not the East...but you can't blame that on Salmond.

Simple Question. What has Labour done in its heartland for the last 50 years to stop this problem?

Ans. Nothing.
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"Hoots" Fandango,

14/09/2008 11:45:03
91

I now exercise my right to free speech.

­You are a cretin.
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WeeBerty,

14/09/2008 11:45:47
So Jack Lad is talking morality eh?

So, Jack, have you been keeping your wee pecker in your pants recently?

Looking to keep your name in the paper? You look very very pathetic mate?

As for your friend the Cardinal, is he still accusing people of things they never done? And not talking about the many priests and monks and nuns who abused children? And the fact the RC Church hid them thereafter or moved them elsewhere to abuse more kids.
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westview,

outside 14/09/2008 11:45:58
Seperate Church from State like the many civilised countries of the world. Teach secularism in school religeous studies. Stop the denigration of athiests by religeous leaders. Then sort out inter christian squabbles.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 14/09/2008 11:47:01
And to think this wee gutter snipe used to be head numpty in the lib/lab gvmt.
Better to keep yer ignorant mouth shut Joke in a skirt Mcnumty
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WeeBerty,

14/09/2008 11:47:24
Do Celtic supporters still sing IRA songs? They used to sing them after Scottish soldiers were killed in Ulster. What's Jack got to say about that? How many Celtic supporters were killed at Omagh by a Republican bomb?