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Proposed minimum pricing on alcohol may lead to shoppers stocking up in England, says industry body

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Published Date: 03 November 2009
THE Wine and Spirit Trade Association (WSTA) claimed retailers south of the border will profit from the measures planned by the Scottish Government.
The organisation said shoppers from the Republic of Ireland are going to Northern Ireland in order to buy cheaper alcohol.

The WSTA said Ireland has the highest excise rates in Europe for wine and the second-highest excise rates for beer and spiri
ts, arguing that this is why people are buying alcohol in Northern Ireland.

And it said sales of alcohol in Northern Ireland had increased by 30% in the year to August and off-sales in the Republic of Ireland had fallen by 7% in the same period.

The group's chief executive, Jeremy Beadles, said: "What these figures expose is that in the midst of a recession, people will go those extra miles to save money.

"The Scottish Government is preparing to hand England a massive competitive advantage: retail in England will profit and in Scotland sales will fall, having a damaging impact on the economy, particularly in the Borders.

"Again, we are seeing more evidence mounting up that the Scottish Government's plans will be both ineffective and damaging to the Scottish economy."

But a Scottish Government spokesman said: "This is a bogus comparison as minimum pricing will only raise the price of cheap, high-strength products like white ciders and value spirits sold for rock-bottom prices and favoured by problem drinkers, not the responsibly priced
products favoured by the majority.

"Some people from the Republic travel to Northern Ireland because their entire grocery shop is cheaper due to the exchange rate. They don't travel just to buy alcohol.

"Most Scots live a considerable distance from the English border and would spend far more on petrol than they would save on alcohol.

"Evidence from research by the University of Sheffield shows that minimum pricing and a ban on irresponsible promotions could prevent hundreds of alcohol-related deaths, cut illnesses and crime and save Scottish taxpayers millions of pounds of every year.

"We have to listen to the evidence of what works and put the health of the Scottish people ahead of the narrow interests of self-declared lobbyists."




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  • Last Updated: 03 November 2009 5:35 PM
  • Source: scotsman.com
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

Marga,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 17:44:15
What a shame the English chickened out on this. Someone has to take a lead - health before cash!
2

Scottish Stoic,

03/11/2009 17:47:08
Good excuse for the alkie to the wife - 'Am popping doon tae England for the carry oot, see ye in 3 days.'

As the article says, it is only affecting the white cider and other cheap alcoholic drink and won't affect ordinary drinkers. I'm afraid the SNP's proposal is not going to solve the problem as it will only create a black market much in the same way the ciggies are.
3

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03/11/2009 18:30:45
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jane shore,

london 03/11/2009 19:04:53

Don't patronize us Marga @ 1. A silly statement. It is up to Scotland to sort their alcohol probs. out. Nothing to do with England.

We, in the S.E.England have been popping over to Calais for years to buy cheery drinks for parties, or special celeb occasions @ bargain prices.

Hire a Ford Transit for the day @ Gretna ...that's the way to go.

5

Tris,

03/11/2009 19:17:02
The Chief Medical Officer for England has said that he agrees with this kind of policy, so they may not be long behind us. (Of course Mr Brown has never been interested in experts' advice, but he won't always be there.)

I suspect that the kind of people who could readily afford to drive to England to buy drink will not really be affected by the fact that the mega cider that tastes like paint remover will cost more than £1.99 for 3 litres.

They won't find that a nice malt or a decent wine has increased in price. Just the kind of rot gut that kids of 12 and 13 are getting ratted on down the park of an evening.

Jane, from what I remember from the last time I was in England (Nottingham), you have your own drink problems to sort out.

6

jane shore,

london & NHS WORKER 03/11/2009 19:29:39

Whatever Tris.(5) ... We do indeed have our own alcohol probs., in parts of England. But I doubt Scotland is where we would look to for solutions.

The CMO for England has a very Scottish name, & rusty hair..I've met him.
7

Marga,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 20:27:32
4 - Jane, Jane, it's not actually silly to point out what happened. Mr Brown really did mull this over (obviously not for Scotland because it is not within his remit) but for England, and - oh surprise - did a U-turn!
So creating a potential border problem, though how serious it will be, noone really knows. A "jolly" to Gretna doesn't quite have the same ring as an escapade to France, does it? Anyway, go for it, SNP!
8

alanh,

ek 03/11/2009 21:04:54
this article may be right.

However, it should not stop us from trying something that may help to curb the booze binge culture in our country.

Some people may stock up, to start with. But it wont be the ned types that this measure is aiming at imo
9

Soosider,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 22:06:53
What a sad wee story, so full of hopelessness and despair, basically what it is saying is that there is nothing we can do, nothing we should try. Well you are wrong, minimal pricing by itself is not the answer, but it is part of the solution, which is to change this countries relationship with alcohol. The cost in human misery is too much to continue tolerating, the cost to society and communities the length and breadth of this country is intolerable, the cost to Police, Criminal Justice, NHS, absenteeism is no longer tolerable.
We have to start taking action, this present government is to be congratulated in begining to tackle this terrible scourge on our nation.
10

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

04/11/2009 00:11:26
This minimum price lark will make it about £2 dearer for children to get drunk, it will also take some of the cult status away from White Lightning, thunderbird etc which can't be bad things.

What it will not do is encourage convoys of wino's (will they have a designated driver?) to converge on Carlisle.

The Adults who buy stuff like that do so on the basis of price per unit of alcohol because (a) They are dependant on the stuff and (b) They don't have much money.

If they had a fiver for their share of the petrol they would buy four cans of super lager or maybe they would just sniff the petrol.

What they could not do is save the money to buy a fortnights supply of booze, go to England to buy it, then make it last for two weeks.

Jaikeies are not daft...they know their limitations.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 04/11/2009 00:14:17
We have it now. Buses of neds heading for Carlisle to bring back cases of white cider. All the other booze will generally cost little difference in England from here.
12

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 04/11/2009 00:18:59
#10 The Col. I am starting to agree with you these days!!! I could not have said it better myself. The quicker the gut-rot-cider is driven off the supermarket shelves the better. It is there for one purpose to provide cheap drink to children and alcoholics. Shame on the companies who produce it. They are no better than drug dealers.
13

Maurice,

04/11/2009 11:35:39
A single bottle of Glefiddich 50yo costs over £543 more at the Glenfiddich distillery than it does in a specialised whisky shop in Cape Town. Who really scores from the taxes?
14

peter1958,

Glasgow 04/11/2009 13:33:41
"We have to listen to the evidence of what works and put the health of the Scottish people ahead of the narrow interests of self-declared lobbyists."

So increase the tax!
Increase the tax on all alcohol and treat the cause not the effect.

Minimum pricing simply means anti-competitiveness practices will abound.

I bet most builders and plumbers would wish the Scottish Government would introduce a minimum pricing policy!

This is not the way forward and nats are deluded as usual.

15

Hobbe,

04/11/2009 15:44:39
The Westminster government have a proposal on minimum pricing as well, so pooping off to England for a £1.50 bottle or cider or ten will be as sensible as going down to England to smoke a fag in a pub because the smoking ban wasn't enforced as quickly.

"What they could not do is save the money to buy a fortnights supply of booze, go to England to buy it, then make it last for two weeks.

Jaikies are not daft...they know their limitations."

True enough.

Peter 1958 is more keen to prattle on about 'deluded nats' rather than acknowledging that his precious labour party are looking at minimum pricing in England, which is why their minions in Scotland are saying very little on this matter.

Stopping kids being able to purchase alcohol at pocket money prices is important as it sets them on a bad road and to pretend that this will affect adults with jobs from having a moderate drink or even getting drunk is a ridiculous position to take.

Of course, those who are unemployed might not be able to afford their alcohol as well as they have in the past, but alcohol consumption shouldn't be a priority over getting a job.

16

WL,

Livingston 04/11/2009 16:28:29
When I buy alcoholic drinks I look for value for money.
It is not my responsibility to check whether the seller has "priced it responsibly".

 

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