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Published Date: 04 July 2009
THE clergyman who made history yesterday by becoming the first openly gay minister inducted at a Church of Scotland service said he was determined to return to "normal life".
The Rev Scott Rennie said he had had enough of the furore over his historic appointment and wished to put it behind him.

The landmark service at Queen's Cross Church in Aberdeen marked the culmination of six months of controversy that rocked the
Kirk and threatened to create a lasting and devastating division in the clergy and church membership.

But Mr Rennie, 37 – whose partner, religious studies teacher David Smith, is expected to live with him in the kirk's manse – refused to be drawn on the turmoil his new charge had caused during a short meeting with the media in the office of his new church.

He said: "I am very happy to be here at Queen's Cross Church in Aberdeen where the congregation called me to be their minister.

"I'm looking forward to many happy years serving God in this church, in this parish and in this part of the city."

He added: "I look forward to getting on with the task at hand and returning to some kind of normal life."

The divorced father of one said he was "absolutely adamant" that he did not wish to make any comment about the furore surrounding his appointment.

Asked if he had had enough of media coverage, he replied empathetically: "Yes."

It was a sentiment echoed by the Rev Ewen Gilchrist, minister of Cults Parish Church, who has acted as interim moderator for Queen's Cross while Mr Rennie's appointment to the charge was decided by the Kirk's General Assembly.

In a final note to the congregation, he said: "The Kirk deserves applause for confirming the call of Scott to Queen's Cross. It sends out a very hopeful message and is in keeping with our Kirk's finer traditions of inclusivity, breadth and tolerance."

He added: "The bedrock claim of our Christian Faith is that God became one of us – that God took upon Himself, utterly and completely, our human nature and therefore human sexuality.

"Yet historically, Christ's Church has always got itself into knots about sexuality and how to live with it. We have so much still to learn."

More than 400 people, mainly from the Queen's Cross congregation, attended last night's induction ceremony conducted by the Rev Dr Alan Falconer, minister of St Machar Cathedral and Moderator of Aberdeen Presbytery.

The Rev David Randall, of Macduff Church in Banffshire, who has been a leading opponent of Mr Rennie's appointment, declared before the service began: "I have been a minister of the Church of Scotland for 38 years and I regard this as an utter tragedy."





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  • Last Updated: 03 July 2009 9:50 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Church of Scotland
 
1

Conan the Librarian™,

04/07/2009 00:54:26
He believes in a sky god that wants him dead.

Sod'm.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/07/2009 03:14:07

'Live and Let Live'!, but for me, it is not Gods will or way, but to whom am I to say?





3

nabodican,

Newton Stewart 04/07/2009 04:29:53
Hi is not normal and therefore will not lead a normal life.
4

John Cameron,

St Andrews 04/07/2009 05:53:49
The Fundamentalist wing of the Kirk got itself caught in the binder over this one. The first great campaign won by the Evangelicals back in the 19th century was to insist a congregation be allowed to choose its own minister and not have one forced on them by some outside power (local laird or church faction). Queens Cross in Aberdeen has a long history of "preaching" ministers so they clearly chose Rennie as one of the few outstanding speakers left in the Kirk. Now the Fundamentalists want to say that congregations MUST have the right to choose their minister - BUT only one approved of by Fundamentalists. I do not think that was QUITE what their ancestors had in mind. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
5

Pocket Dictionary,

04/07/2009 06:24:21
Why are churches only obsessed with so-called "sexual sins"? Paul whom they're fond of quoting from, in the same verses about homosexuality also condemns liars, the greedy, the blasphemers, deceivers, gossipers, the unloving and slanderers. They don't say much about them becoming minsters and trying to ban them.
6

McGinty,

Glasgow & Aberdeen 04/07/2009 07:49:51
Mr. Rennie is in a position in public life where he should be a role model, and in a social institution, he should show more evidence of integrity in the area of relationships. This is not just about his being gay - that in and of itself presents no problem. It's his behaviour as someone who operates in an area requiring the highest standards of decency, such as this post demands. In other areas of public life, people are pilloried for milder behaviour, but because of the political nature of this situation, blind eyes seem to be turned all the time.

If I left my wife and shacked up with a girl, it's unlikely I would be allowed near a manse. If he'd made an effort and had entered a civil partnership he might have some more credibility, but what's to stop him dumping his boyfriend and getting somebody else or even to have a string of partners. This has got nothing to do with being a fundamentalist, this is just common sense. If he can't look after his own personal life, what chance has he got of being able to look after others? Opponents in the presbytery were right to protest as appointment is subject to approval by presbytery. This nonsense about congregations having the right to choose their minister has got nothing to do with this situation because it was to do with patronage, or congregations choosing their minister as opposed to someone else imposing their man on a church. That is obviously not an issue here.

For a man of his qualifications, his view is skewed by these aspects of his private life, and his supporters are so blinkered by their agenda and blinded by political ends that they fail to see the moral situation. Worse still they use the name of 'God' to justify their position, which is exactly the same as the technique used by TV evangelists - i.e. manipulation and charlatanism.

The church has probably not handled 'sexual sins' well over time, but they often get a bad press, because the nature of these things is such that they need to be handle
7

McGinty,

Glasgow & Aberdeen 04/07/2009 08:03:24
handled privately and thus little credit is given for good effort in this area. However there are still such things as overarching themes in the Bible and the application from these has been taught consistently by certain parts of the church. To have neglected or failed to address these things as perhaps more liberal parts of the church seem to have done looks like intellectual dishonesty. In this case, as a consequence, they have less moral integrity than the so-called 'fundamentalists.' Disciplinary proceedings may yet address aspects of this situation that appointment proceedings have disregarded.

And if he expects the media to 'but out', he's having a laugh - the media are obsessed with sexual sin like no others.
8

S'me,

Edinburgh 04/07/2009 08:51:26
His parish want him there, enough said.
9

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 04/07/2009 09:13:53
What would the Rev. I. M. Jolly have to say about this? And who gets to be the Lady of the Manse?
10

Peter60,

Leith 04/07/2009 09:46:53
I think people cease to be taken seriously the moment they start believing in virgin mothers and resurrecting dead. So their views on any other matters have little interest for me.
11

Beth Boyle,

NY 04/07/2009 09:56:41
The Church should get this wound up over all the adultry and divorce. Jesus spoke out about divorce and adultry, he never addressed Gay relationships. Only Paul in the New Testament got in a twist over it and he hated women too. I am not sure how I stand on Gay pastors and all that but if this congregarion wants the lad and knows he is Gay, what harm can be done? These are uncharted waters. It's not like Gay clergy have never existed before.
12

danbob,

04/07/2009 11:00:24
Well said 5# quite correct.

Read the bible you quote 11# it will open your eyes.

10# People who put their faith in scientists, some who make ridiculous claims like this week. Claims such as sheep evolve and shrink in just 30 years hold little interest for me
13

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/07/2009 11:05:45
Good luck to him...
14

JT,

04/07/2009 15:34:50
Time to wake and smell the coffee people. Gay and lesbian people are in our society so why not a gay minister. You wouldnt be able to get away with the discrimination that appears here in any other job so what is the difference with the church. What about the hetrosexual ministers who committed adultery with their parishioners or steal from the collection or abuse children!!!!
15

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04/07/2009 15:37:37
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James (1),

04/07/2009 16:25:31
#14 I think the point is what you believe. Gays believe it is normal to be gay. It's not but they truely believe it.
There are billions of people from many religions who truely believe gay is not normal. Why should a gays belief over rule a religious persons belief? The church is just one part of the billions who are being told to accept it. Do you actually think they do?
You can only make a person appear to accept it. You cannot make them actually accept it.
That is the PC world we now live in and gay will never become normal.
17

danbob,

04/07/2009 16:47:46
It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. If this fella cannot accept this, why is he a minister? What other piece of christian teachings does he or other so called ministers disagree with. The point is he is putting himself above the bible teachings that he stands there every Sunday and preaches. It's because of people like him over the centuries that have deviated from the scriptures to suit themselves that the whole christian church finds itself in difficulty. What next a minister who thinks it's OK to murder, In my book he is no christian minister. He sees it as nothing more than a job, a house, and a wage.
18

saneatheist,

Bixter 04/07/2009 17:24:49
danbob, I don't suppose you ever put yourself above bible teachings? You know? Wearing clothes of mixed fibres? Eating shellfish? Failing to stone folk who work on the Sabbath? (Saturday)
I could fill a page with instances of so called Christians putting themselves above the bible teachings but you get the gist?
Homophobia is the only thing that unites the religious and as I've demonstrated, it's not because of what the bible says, it's cos your bigots.
19

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/07/2009 18:22:43
Men have been getting it on with men and women getting it on with women since time immemorial...and folk (usually religious and brainwashed) are still denying it is normal. What is wrong with these people that they deny the truth. Just back from my hols in Italy...went to Pompei and there are plenty frescos depicting gays and lesbians...catch my drift?
20

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 22:03:43
Excuse me, please. I am a hetero and not particularly homophobic but unless this guy has an elasticated back passage which leads to a birth canal then I cannot consider his desired life to be normal.

Tolerated but not normal.
21

captainscarlet,

04/07/2009 22:26:31
the church has obviously been overwhelmed and exposed behind closed doors.

a deal has been struck
22

danbob,

04/07/2009 22:44:23
18# Yes but I and people like me dont stand in a pulpit on a Sunday and preach to people knowing full well I dont practise the same. Hypocrites to the last and shame on you for trying to pretend otherwise.
23

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04/07/2009 22:55:32
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danbob,

04/07/2009 23:26:51
23# Are you sure your not watching to much porn?
25

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/07/2009 23:37:06
24...Yes I am sure but thanks for the concern...how about those facts that I presented in my previous post, do you care to answer them or do you prefer to avoid the subject as it is too challenging?
26

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05/07/2009 00:03:39
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McGinty,

Glasgow & Aberdeen 05/07/2009 00:07:43
So he's there. We'll see how it goes. The church though has the right and the prerogative to revert to an orthodox view at any time within the next two years as the principle still has to be established.

Any notion of discrimination though will be old hat to a Scottish protestant denomination which thrives on such arguments - the law v. the Scripture/ to obey God rather than man. 'If secular law accuses the church of discrimination, but we believe that we have a right and a duty to behave differently to law and secular and social convention, we may go to jail, we may forfeit our properties and assets but we will be faithful and still meet wherever we can, even if it's in fields, parks, wherever, and by with God's help we will prevail, as did the reformers, the covenanters, the disruption seceders etc. And we will still present a coherent, grounded, rational and consistent argument as to why we believe the Bible to be the highest and strongest authority and basis for what is right in any area of life.'

 

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