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Parks in possession at No10 but Scots freshen attack



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Published Date: 08 May 2008
THERE is a month until Scotland name their next Test line-up, but the tour squad unveiled yesterday has provided key indicators to a shifting approach to the last disastrous outing against Italy.
Dan Parks' fine form for Glasgow in recent weeks has kept him in the squad, despite a poor display in the RBS Six Nations Championship being underlined in the Rome defeat in the campaign's final fixture, but he will now come under pressure from Phil Godman, the on-form Edinburgh fly-half, as he tries again to carry his club form into the Test arena.

Crucially, he will also have fresh young talents outside him, with Ben Cairns and Thom Evans joining Nick De Luca and Graeme Morrison in providing the type of pacy attacking talents that many believe could help re-awaken Scotland's attack.

Parks is a different player working under Sean Lineen at Glasgow to that in the Scotland side under Frank Hadden lately, where the game-plan shifted throughout the Six Nations, so it is encouraging that Lineen has been promoted to assistant coach on the tour.

The former Scotland centre believes the enhanced threat of players such as Morrison – who he feels is now maturing into a Test-quality centre – as well as Max Evans, likely to be in the Scotland A squad named today, has lifted pressure from Parks to attempt aspects of play he is not good at and still enable the back line to threaten.

This, he feels, could translate into the national side with the Glasgow and/or Edinburgh centres, though he is also keen to work more closely with Godman and Chris Paterson. Paterson remains involved, but his failure to play stand-off at Gloucester since the Six Nations, and his decision to quit Kingsholm, has handed Hadden the chance to again hibernate an 'experiment' of Paterson at ten he clearly was never comfortable with.

Hadden has kept his job after two poor Six Nations campaigns, but the pressure remains intense. He had little interest during the championship in the new seeding system for the next World Cup, but now he is acutely aware of the significance that new system has thrown on to his next two matches and change may not come easily.

He has won 13 of 31 internationals in charge, which is not the worst record for a Scotland coach, but the recent run of just five wins in 15 has caused deep concern. In that time Scotland has slipped from eighth to 10th in the world rankings and that is where the significance lies. To remain seeded in the top eight for the 2011 Rugby World Cup in New Zealand, and have a better chance of reaching the quarter-finals, Scotland must be in the top eight of the IRB rankings in December this year.

Of the Tests before then, only the two with Argentina, currently ranked third in the IRB list, New Zealand (ranked second) and South Africa (first) will earn a rise up the table, as Canada's ranking of 15th means the Scots cannot earn points for beating them. Scotland are currently more than two victories below Ireland in eighth spot, though the Irish also face a tough schedule this summer and autumn and could fall.

Winning on tour, therefore, has deeper meaning than normal for Scotland, and to achieve that the squad has to return to scoring tries. Cairns and De Luca share the record for most tries for Scotland at Under-21 level and, coincidentally, the last time the pair wore the navy jersey together at XVs was in Argentina, with the Under-21s.

Cairns admitted: "I was delighted to get the text yesterday from Guy (Richardson, team manager] and I'm not going out there just to make up the numbers.

"At the start of the season making the Churchill Cup was the long-term goal, but as the season progressed the Argentina tour became the new goal. I was in the Six Nations training squad all the way through, culminating with being 24th man for the Italy trip, and that gave me a real taster and also an idea of where I was, and it gave me a new incentive to kick on for the rest of the season.

"I've been pleased with how I've done that and delighted to get the chance, and I hope myself and Nick get the chance to play in Argentina. We're good friends on and off the field and have clicked this season I think. We've come through the age-groups together and I remember us playing together in Mendoza in 2005. We lost against Argentina in the play-off for fifth/sixth place; they really were up for it in front of their own support, so I know how tough this is going to be.

"But it will be a great opportunity. I've spoken to several internationalists about their first match, and Nick has spoken about his experiences in the Six Nations this year, and they haven't put him or me off – he's desperate to get back out there and I'd love to win my first cap on tour. There is probably nothing that can prepare you for it, but I've played against the best players in the Magners League – Tom Shanklin, Brian O'Driscoll, Gavin Henson – so don't think I could have done much more."

Dougie Hall is a player being thrown a route back to the top level having been injured before the World Cup and forced to watch Ross Ford, Scott Lawson and Fergus Thomson push him down the pecking order. Lawson is injured and Thomson has felt the effects of a long, hard season, so the relatively fresh Hall joins Ford as the hookers on tour.

Hadden has opted against three specialists, preferring to work with two XVs. The other previously-confirmed injured personnel are Sean Lamont, Jason White, Jim Hamilton and Ross Rennie.

HADDEN'S CHOICES

TWO BACKS FROM:

NIKKI WALKER

Suffered stress fracture of fibia a month ago and not expected to be fit for at least another couple of weeks.

RORY LAMONT

Recovering from operations to fix broken jaw and tidy up knee damage, and could be back for Sale before the end of the season.

SIMON WEBSTER

Needs time to let hamstring injury recover after being hampered all season by it, but on stand-by should he be needed.

THREE FORWARDS FROM:

NATHAN HINES

With Perpignan likely to make Top 14 play-offs, but struggling to seal place before June, valuable lock is at mercy of French club.

SCOTT MURRAY

His club Montauban are unlikely to make play-offs, but are intent on securing a top-seven finish to secure a Heineken Cup place for next season, making the June games vital.

MARK RENNIE

Uncapped lock could tour if those above are not available – his club Bourgoin are running out of things to play for and Rennie is struggling for a starting berth.

ALASTAIR KELLOCK

Capped Glasgow skipper has been recovering from a knee injury since the start of the year and may be fit to tour if needed, but without match practice.

The full article contains 1196 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 May 2008 11:22 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Mobat,

08/05/2008 08:27:53
I think Parks is "on form" too. But at Glasgow, he aint an international 10
2

inoui,

Fife 08/05/2008 08:34:36
Will these coaches never learn!!
3

thebigiam,

08/05/2008 09:04:14
Well, Parks is flying at the moment, so I can understand his selection. He's running the ball at Glasgow, which is making a big difference, so maybe his performances in the 6N say more about his form at the time and the tactics he was asked to employ. But he must be running out of chances.

Paterson isn't playing at 10, so that probably rules him out as a realistic first choice in that position. Hadden will have a headache in working out where to play Paterson - if it all...

Second row looks like a bit of a problem area right now though...

Great to see Cairns and Evans earn call ups. Evans in particular brings some much needed pace to the side.

Hopefully the new boys and Lineen can get the backs over the gain line, rather than just passing it from wing to wing...
4

Stu,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 09:11:13
I think Godman is the man to take thwe 19 shirt and Parks to replace him late on

Godman knows De Luca and Cairns well and will get the backline moving forward
5

AlastairS,

08/05/2008 09:28:03
I agree with 4 Godman Deuca and Cairns have been an outstanding trio for Edinburgh. Add the pace of Thom Evans on the wing and there is some real potential. I would like to see Lamont and Webster of the 3 backs above and a chance given to Mark Rennie in the second row.
6

Venachar,

08/05/2008 09:28:34
Without naming any names and so causing players problems with their club coaches, a number of them are indicating that they are keen to return for the right reasons."
This statement is by Mr Hadden, it doesn't take a genius to figure he is talking about Edinburgh. This man is going to destroy Scottish Rugby.
7

Jockbok,

08/05/2008 09:46:15
I wont comment on the Parks Godman Paterson debate.

This really is selective journalism. The five wins in the last 15 were against Ireland (a friendly - and boy were they poor - they eventually sacked their most successful coach), Portugal (mm no world power, but they did score points and a try against NZ), Romania (no great shakes, but they did score points and a try against NZ), Italy (squeeked through though we did not score a try against them)and England (a turgid affair (again no tries) against an under performing team that had got to the final of the WC and still finished second in 6 Nations; they then fired their coach (who has done a lot more in the game than Mr Hadden).

Why are we taking thirty players for what is effectively two tests? Perhaps it is to outnumber the management which numbers sixteen!
8

RDW,

08/05/2008 10:34:07
I really hope he plays de luca and cairns together. De luca is not a 13 - his style of play is not suitable for a 13 and he has been one of the most destructive backs in the magners league this season when playing at 12. They work so well together because de luca attacks the space and hits a gap and offloads to ben who hits great lines and flys through them. Compare this to henderson who runs straight for a player (I say he runs but really....) and then a ruck is formed.....great! My team:

15 Patterson (for kicking)
14 Webster/rory (whoever is fit)
13 Cairns
12 De luca
11 Tom Evans
10 Godman (will ignite our 12 and 13 but I just know he will pick parks)
9 Blair

and the forwards pick themselves really!
9

AlastairS,

08/05/2008 10:52:24
RDW I really like your back division. It has pace and excellent ball handling ability. I agree that Godman is the person to maximise its potential as he has done all season for Edinburgh
10

J.A.,

08/05/2008 11:03:02
#8 good back division. De luca's poor form in the 6 nations has as much to do with the service from stand off. Paterson is more effective at full back.
11

Venachar,

08/05/2008 11:10:05
First thing Andy Robinson did was to drop Phil Godman because he was a bit off. David Blair then had 4 or 5 games at standoff and did quite well. Since then Phil has played consistantly well. My only concern is his range in kicking anything above 35m is 50-50.
If the midfield perform on saturday against the Scarlets in the same fashion they handled the Ospreys then I feel Blair/Godman/De Luca and Cairns should start in Argentina with Thom Evans on one wing.
12

ailie,

12 08/05/2008 12:44:48
For all those giving Dan Parks a hard time you might be interested in the following stats for the Magners League.


Not only is Dan the top points scorer this season, having scored an impressive 153, but he is also in the top try scorers, having crossed the line 5 times.

TOP TRY SCORERS -

9 - Tom James (Cardiff Blues)

7 - Jamie Roberts (Cardiff Blues), Regan King (Llanelli Scarlets)

6 - Luke Fitzgerald (Leinster), Shane Horgan (Leinster)

5 - Jamie Heaslip (Leinster), Dan Parks (Glasgow Warriors), Morgan Stoddart (Llanelli Scarlets)

TOP POINTS SCORERS -

153 - Dan Parks (Glasgow Warriors) (5 tries, 13 conversions, 31 penalty goals and 3 drop goals)

130 - Paul Warwick (Munster) 3 tries, 14 conversions and 29 penalty goals)

126 - Felipe Contepomi (Leinster) (21 conversions and 28 penalty goals)

105 - Rhys Priestland (Llanelli Scarlets) (2 tries, 16 conversions and 21 penalty goals)

103 - Shaun Connor (Ospreys) (1 try, 7 conversions, 25 penalty goals and 3 drop goals)

99 - Phil Godman (Edinburgh) (1 try, 17 conversions, 19 penalty goals and 1 drop goal)

82 - Tim Donnelly (Connacht) (1 try, 4 conversions, 9 penalty goals and 4 drop goals)

BEST GOAL KICKERS -

80% - David Blair (Edinburgh) (8 successful kicks out of 10 attempts)

76.67% - Tim Donnelly (Connacht) (23/30)

76.56% - Felipe Contepomi (Leinster) (49/64)

75.86% - Dan Parks (Glasgow Warriors) (44/58)

75% - Stephen Jones (Llanelli Scarlets) (24/32)

72.73% - Shaun Connor (Ospreys) (32/44)

71.74% - Ben Blair (Cardiff Blues) (33/46)

71.43% - James Hook (Ospreys) (35/45)

71.15% - Rhys Priestland (Llanelli Scarlets) (37/52)

70% - Aled Thomas (Newport Gwent Dragons) (21/30)



If Parks had held the number 10 position without having to worry about the selector's axe hanging over his head, and journalists constantly clammering for Patterson to take over the 10 position, he might have put in the same sort of performances that he does for Glasgow
13

a name,

edinburgh 08/05/2008 12:58:48
#12 all interesting stats. would be interested to see others such as;

glasgow tries scored (with parks as 'playmaker')
number of missed tackles (or completely shirked!!)
number of charged down kicks
number of dropped or intercepted passes
etc etc.

on a tour like this parks should not even get a look in. we (and hoepfully the coaching staff) are all painfully aware of his game so there is nothing ot either learn of gian from taking him.

get godman in
14

luckyrugger,

Glasgow 08/05/2008 13:05:08
"glasgow tries scored (with parks as 'playmaker')
number of missed tackles (or completely shirked!!)
number of charged down kicks
number of dropped or intercepted passes"

Why not belt up, you've obviously not watched Glasgow this season or you'd know that Parks has been the main playmaker, made 2 literally try-saving tackles against Saracens alone, and has intercepted more opposition passes than he has given away.
15

AlastairS,

08/05/2008 13:26:52
There is no doubt Parks has played well for Glasgow this season. It all depends on what type of game you want to play. I still think Godman is much better at moving the backline and therefore maximising the potential of DeLuca, Cairns and Evans in particular and this is the game I would like to see Scotland play. Parks is better at the strategic kicking game especially if he gets time (something which tends to happen less often in internationals) He is not the same player when being put under pressure by the opposition
16

Fatboy Laney,

Anytown 08/05/2008 14:12:44
The stats of Parks playing for Glasgow in the Magners League are impressive. But his stats when playing for Scotland against any international side are not.

Some players are international standard. Others are not. Parks to date, has on average not been, despite being given numerous opportunities against teams of varying strength.

As an earlier poster said, by now you know what you get with Parks. He's not the future. He should be in the squad but Godman deserves a shot.

This is the time to take some chances to try and find a team for the future and get back up the rankings (unlikely as that is) - as there's no way we will beat Arg, SA or NZ going for the 'safe' options.
17

Francis,

08/05/2008 20:50:14
Since when did Scottish International Rugby become "The Dan Parks Show"? . I couldn't agree less with No 12 - EVERY player has the selector's axe hanging over his head - Parks, in fact, seems to have suffered less from this than most.

As Scott Hastings has revealed, he was asked by Frank Hadden not to criticise Parks - and judging by other articles in the Scottish Press, he wasn't alone. Having read reports in what I might call the neutral Press about Glasgow matches, I have often been very aware of a more honest appraisal of the flaws in some of Parks' performances, which would seem to confirm this.

Hadden himself has talked up Parks to a bizarre degree in various interviews, despite some truly awful international performances and Sean Lineen has happily admitted that Parks has often this season not played to potential for Glasgow, stating that he needed to get his shorts dirty and his nose bloodied, Should someone who is now part of the management team really think that kind of statement is acceptable? - had this been an assessment of other players, I'd bet they wouldn't be allowed near the Scottish team. Personally, I feel that 40+ caps without an injury is a very revealing statistic.
18

The Doc5,

08/05/2008 21:03:14
Having been ill after the 6 Nations(!) I decided to cheer myself up by digging out a pile of old rugby videos. As a result, I discovered that Dan Parks has directly cost Scotland SEVEN Internationals (although a less charitable friend made it nine), did a great many daft things when it didn't matter (eg against Portugal in the 2007 RWC, when he threw out a perfect pass to a Portuguese player who had the resultant try disallowed because of an earlier knock-on), and has failed to lose a number of other matches despite his best efforts (eg in the 2008 Calcutta Cup).

I agree with David Campese, who said recently that Parks was a "very lucky boy" still to be playing International rugby for Scotland.
19

Edinburgh Pete ,

08/05/2008 21:48:30
Allie and Luckyrugger - a wonderful set of stats that basically mean SFA !!!! in the context of International rugby

I don't dispute the fact Parks plays well at times for Glasgow and that he has produced MOM performances recently, The team wouldn't be winning if he wasn't. Nor can I watch him because I am watching Edinburgh therefore whilst I respect your views on Parks please respect other people's views on Godman and what he, Deluca and Cairns can bring to the party.

At international level we are all too painfully aware that when Parks turns up for Scotland he clearly hasn't the bottle or the skill to make a serious contribution to the team consistently game in game out. Flashes of brilliance yes but anyone who thinks he will now come good after 40 caps of mediocrity are in denial of the facts. After all it is only 3 months since the debacle that was the 6 Nations - have you forgotten and do you think if McKie had the b*lls to sack Frank a new coach would look to Parks and Henderson as his number one attacking choices, I doubt it so why are continuing to persevere with them.

What we want is alternatives and to use other players. Lets try a new 10 12
13 combination on your, it cant be any worse than the performances we have witnessed. Argentina and the AIs should all be about developing a new team and game plan. Not about trying to salvage Parks reputation - he had that chance in Rome.
20

Aubrey W,

08/05/2008 23:03:59
'Parks is a different player working under Sean Lineen at Glasgow to that in the Scotland side under Frank Hadden lately'...

Well, there is a big gap between regional and international rugby - that half second makes all the difference. Leave Parks to regain his confidence at regional level. International he is probaly not.
21

leemagee,

Perth 09/05/2008 02:22:29
Number 12
Typical statistician! I love the way you point to Parks' stats as a reason to keep him in the Scottish team. Obviously you are oblivious to his international stats...where he made more mistakes in the 6N Italy game than any other player in the entire tournament. Throwing an intercept pass in an international is allowed perhaps twice in a career, but Parks has made it his trademark. In fact, the intercept pass should be known as the "Parks Flick". When Kenny Logan was our choice kicker, stats said that he was the top point scorer in the Premiership, but his international kicking was crap. People need to realise that some players revel in Club rugby but can't make the jump to Pro...Chris Capaldi for example. Some players revel in Pro rugby but can't made the jump to international level...Parks! I have nothing against him...if I was chosen to play 10 for Scotland I wouldn't turn it down...but I would be rubbish. Parks just isn't international standard.
As a side point...Number 8...you've got the selection spot on mate!
Also, Chalmers was 100% right with his analysis of Frank Hadden. His time is up!
22

Mcsense,

East of Weegie land 09/05/2008 08:06:32
To all of you who are still advocating your man Parks, he maqy very well play well for The Warriors but he has NEVER put in an acceptable shift for Scotland! Therefore he should not even be on the plane let alone play.
I can not for the life of me fathom why you would pick a poor kicking stand off and some fantastic runners outside him, poor Tom Evens the only time he is likely to see the ball is when his opposite number is running at him, ball in hand after yet another of Parks missed touch line kicks. That said he might just learn something with Hodge and Lineen there to point out the error of his ways,heres hoping!
23

jdships,

09/05/2008 09:06:40

21 leemagee,Perth

Good post !!

12 ailie,
Sorry disagree with you totally
Stats mean very little in the overall context of how a player performs.
Many years ago I scored a hatrick of tries two weeks out of three for the "One 's" .
Name in the the papers etc.
Got dropped on both occasions.
Why ? Because I wasn't a good enough player overall - ala Parks !!

Still think it's worth a fiver "punt" that Parks will start the first test at No 10
Sad but a distinct possibility
24

Wooly_Lad,

09/05/2008 11:08:47
#19 Edinburgh Pete, pot kettle black comes to mind, dont criticise godman cause you havent seen him l8tly? but everyone else can crticise dan without seeing him l8tly?

Anyway I actually beleive godman should be given a chance. the big problem is his kicking from hand. there is no doubt that he gets a backline moving but you need to be able to kick. this leads to another problem of then having to fit in mossy (who I believe should be dropped from the international team) So mossy fans have your shots but that is my view.
25

Edinburgh Pete ,

09/05/2008 18:12:12
Wooly lad, read my piece again - its not me that starts telling people to belt up or posting stats on a website to defend the indefensible.

I have watched DP in all his 40 internationals, out of those I can remember only three games in which he has played well, Japan France (when we lost in Paris when Hogg's try was disallowed)and Italy in the RWC. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the man. We need to look at other options whether its Paterson, Godman Ross or Blair but please no more Parks, regardless of how well he has played these last 4 games.
26

leemagee,

Perth 12/05/2008 06:03:02
JDships...cheers mate!

 

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