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Win or lose, by-election vote will deliver verdict on Salmond



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Published Date: 24 July 2008
ALEX SALMOND has declared today's by-election in Glasgow East a trial of strength between his government and Gordon Brown's. It's a brave comment for the First Minister to make with polls and pundits predicting Labour is likely to hold on to the seat, albeit by a wafer-thin majority.
The contest has been seen from the start as a major test for Mr Brown as he fends off criticism of his premiership and seeks to convince voters he is the man best placed to lead the UK through these troubled economic times.

Labour's by-election c
ampaign in Glasgow East has been fraught with difficulties and embarrassments but as the moment of truth nears, the result will show whether the electorate is behind Brown's Westminster Government or Alex Salmond's Holyrood oneBut Mr Salmond, who has taken a leading role in the SNP's campaign in Glasgow East, has raised the stakes by explicitly putting his own reputation on the line.

"Voters will be passing judgement on Labour at Westminster and the SNP Government here," he said. "If we win, we'll take it as a substantial endorsement of our candidate, our campaign and the Scottish Government."

The corollary of that comment is that if Labour manage to hang on, it represents an endorsement of Mr Brown and calls into question the level of public support for the SNP Government.

The by-election, caused by the resignation on health grounds of long- serving Labour MP David Marshall, has been almost the sole focus of attention for all political parties in Scotland for the past three weeks. Hundreds of SNP and Labour activists from all over the country have poured in to do battle in a constituency with one of the lowest life expectancies in the country and where 30 per cent of people are on Jobseekers Allowance or Incapacity Benefit.

The SNP needs a 22 per cent swing to overturn Labour's 13,507 majority from the 2005 General Election. Two opinion polls conducted in the constituency during the campaign have given Labour a clear lead, but both parties agree the race is much closer.

The most recent survey found that 29 per cent of voters had still to make up their mind. And internal SNP polling was said to be showing Labour only four points ahead, while Labour's predicted just a three-figure majority. The Tories and Liberal Democrats are fighting it out for third place.

Labour's campaign got off to the worst possible start when the favoured candidate failed to turn up for the selection meeting and then pulled out. The party then selected Margaret Curran. She is a feisty campaigner and already represents much of the area in the Scottish Parliament. Voters might question how she is going to represent them simultaneously at both Holyrood and Westminster. But the SNP had to leave it to the Lib Dems and Tories to make that point since Alex Salmond also has a seat in both parliaments.

Despite the importance of the by- election and Ms Curran's long experience, her campaign has been surprisingly gaffe-prone. Aides said it was a "slip of the tongue" when she claimed to have "lived in the East End all my life" whereas her home is in Glasgow's more affluent south side.

The party attracted some big name support when Taggart star John Michie hit the campaign trail with Ms Curran, but it later emerged he had made a video just over a year ago in which he called for Scottish independence.

Ms Curran's campaign theme is "standing up for the East End of Glasgow". But she has inevitably been challenged about why the area still finds itself in such a plight after 11 years of Labour government at Westminster and eight years of Labour in power at Holyrood.

Whatever the result tonight, Ms Curran's willingness to take on a tough campaign will have done her reputation within the party no harm.

The SNP's John Mason has been a councillor for part of the constituency for the past ten years and describes himself as the "only truly local candidate".

When he and Mr Salmond visited the constituency's biggest bingo hall, there was a cheer for the First Minister but an even bigger one for Mr Mason. "He is well-known and respected in the area he represents," says an SNP insider.

Mr Mason comes across as genuine and straightforward in debate and has made a good job of arguing the SNP's case. But Labour has sought to paint him as a "hardline Nationalist" whose one and only priority is independence.

He has also been quizzed over internal party squabbles, including a long- running row with one-time SNP MSP Dorothy Grace Elder.

But the SNP campaign has included some eye-catching photo opportunities, not least Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Mr Mason having a kickabout with members of Calton Athletic football club, which supports people with alcohol and drug addiction.

The most noticeable feature of the SNP campaign, however, has been the regular presence of Mr Salmond, who has been talking up his party's chances from day one, when he predicted a political "earthquake".

Opposition politicians say the First Minister's constant appearances suggest he believes the SNP cannot win anything without him being at the centre of it.

It could be he is proved right and the Nationalists do snatch the seat from Labour. His strategy seems to be that if you repeat the confident message of victory often enough, it will all come true. But if that does not work, he will have some explaining to do tomorrow.





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  • Last Updated: 24 July 2008 10:19 AM
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1

Edward,

24/07/2008 12:31:37
'Labour's campaign got off to the worst possible start when the favoured candidate failed to turn up for the selection meeting and then pulled out. The party then selected Margaret Curran'
Actually NO, Curran was choice number 4 or even 5!
Ryan failed to turn up, as he realised he is under investigation. Next up Purcell, same story of curuption, next up Leslie Quinn, she declined
There is rumour that there was another before the frantic call to Margaret Curran.
So please dont insinuate that thse was first choice after Ryan pulled out!
2

Edward,

24/07/2008 12:34:02
Still waiting on Alistair Darling to make an appearance. This was much talked about by Margaret Curran, who kept stating that she would get Alistair Darling up to Glasgow during the campaign
Pity it never happened!
3

artemisclyde,

24/07/2008 13:11:31
Come on now, Mr Swanson. Please do not treat the readers as mugs.

You seriously cannot be proposing that if Labour manage to hang on to their 3rd or 4th safest seat in Scotland, by a wafer thin majority that this is an endorsement and somehow a success?

If the EEN haemmoraged customers at that kind of rate, your editors would surely not look at a few hundred readers as being a success.
4

artemisclyde,

24/07/2008 13:12:32
... and indeed, you might be looking for a new job!
5

Tynietiger,

24/07/2008 13:13:05
EEN forget Simon Pia's spin.
Win or lose Alex Salmond is a leader who leads from the front and by example,Unlike Gordon Brown or Labour's leader in Scotland whoever that is.
6

eric,

Lothian 24/07/2008 13:15:15
No matter what the result today ,SNP are winners.Eating into huge chunks of STAUNCH labour areas like Glasgow east which is the size of Edinburgh.Is a huge gain for snp.
7

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/07/2008 14:05:18
"The corollary of that comment is that if Labour manage to hang on, it represents an endorsement of Mr Brown and calls into question the level of public support for the SNP Government."

This is patent nonsense. Are you seriously arguing that, say, a 20% swing from Labour to the SNP is "an endorsement of Mr Brown" Mr Swanson?

Most real people would regard that as a triumph for the SNP and a disaster for Labour.

A similar swing in the PM's constituency would make his seat a "marginal" and he could well lose.


8

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 24/07/2008 14:17:13

I think, though close, the SNP will take this Seat.

Ian Swanson is being a little mis-leading, however, if he thinks things would be bad for Salmond if they don't. Is he REALLY saying that a wafer thin majority for Curran would be ANY comfort for Nu Labour??

I've said before that this is a win-win situation for the SNP and I still think that:

a. They take the seat from Labour and in doing so topple Gordon Brown, plunging the Labour Party into a double leadership election both north and south of the border. Civil War will break out and splits will open up all over the place. If THIS nomination (for the 3rd safest seat in Scotland) has been seen as such a poisoned challis that they took so long in appointing their FIFTH CHOICE CANDIDATE in Margaret Curran, --- Who will WANT to take over from either Gordon OR Wendy?? ---> Cameron is a shoe-in come May 2010 - and the Independence Referendum is won around October 2010.

b. Labour hold on to the seat but with a massively reduced majority. Gordon Brown survives, for now, but is fatally wounded; losing even more authority and looking even more like a loser. Brown has already lost the Press and continues to suffer press stories, now habitually angled in the doom and disaster mode. ---> Cameron is a shoe-in come May 2010 - and the Independence Referendum is won around October 2010.




9

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 14:22:43
What's madman Salmond talking about now - a contest between his Government and Gordon Brown's. We only have one governent and thats based in Westminster. The jokers up here do nothing other than cost the tax payer £millions.
10

walter,

24/07/2008 14:30:24
There will only be one winner in this by election and that will be the person that goes to Westminster as the MP.
If the SNP win the seat then they will be the winners. If Labour win the seat then they will be the winners.
Any one who tries to declare a victory if they do not win are deluding themselves.
The SNP have said they the Scottish government want to do more for Glasgow east, if Curran wins and they do deliver then she will get the credit.
However if they do not deliver they will be accused of being spiteful.
11

Legacy,

24/07/2008 14:31:35
'the result will show whether the electorate is behind Brown's Westminster Government or Alex Salmond's Holyrood one'
Really!
So if the SNP win, we can take it that the Electorate have spoken, and 75p Broon's New Labour Party are finished in Scotland.
The Electorate have already spoken and the SNP ARE in Government in Scotland.
But if New Labour manage to hang on, business goes on as usual in the Scottish Parliament, Alex Salmond can still hold his head up, the SNP will still be in Government.
Only One certainty, and ONE Loser, and that will be 75p Broon's New Labour Party.






12

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 24/07/2008 14:34:30


#9, familyman, at 14:22:43,

I agree that we are over governed. It's certainly conting us many many millions of pounds. (Trident, Illegal Wars, Corruption, Bliars swansong tour of the world, Thatcher's State Funeral...boak!)

In my opinion we should endeavour to rid ourselves of 1 complete layer of government - the overpaid, overexpensed, sticky fingered, back scratching, crooks of westminster. We can do far better without them and the likes of the recently resigned MP David Marshall.

Roll on 2010 and the Independence Referendum.


13

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 15:07:57
One thing is certain - win or lose, the same bunch of Bravehearts will be on here tomorrow on every available EEN thread hectoring us Unionist traitors about how much better everything will be after separation.

King Smug could bring on the referendum any time. He does not do so because he knows that it would be lost decisively. The Gnats in Scotland do the job which the Lib Dems used to do in E and W - ie they arre currently the most effective place to put a protest vote when the Govt of the day is unpopular and you want to give them a kicking. But that is a long way from us all agreeing to be ruled for ever by Alexander's One Man Band of sour, humourless Gnat zealots.

There aren't enough prisons here to hold all the Scottish "traitors" who can't stand the guy. We'd have to be interned on St Kilda or transported to the Falklands or something. Because the Gnats' vision of Scottish "freedom" won't extend to the freedom to demonstrate publicly aganst them them, will it?
14

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 15:12:51
Labours anti independence campaign and it's concentration on Mason wanting to break up the UK may well prove counter productive.

Glasgow East had the highest amount of people in the whole of Scotland declaring they were Scottish not British at the last census. I think Salmond scents victory (the polls were actually a lot closer on their raw figures than the massaged 'weighted' results) and he's right.

Despite deeply biased press coverage, including press adoration of the 'feisty' Margaret Curran the fact is that Labour's campaign has been full of avoidable gaffes.

In actual fact even Labour's own people think Curran is 'scarey'. Her hectoring does not endear herself to TV cameras and her desperate attempts to salvage her career and her boss Gordon Brown's is unattractive.

If the SNP fail they will know they at least tried hard and put a lot of people in on the ground. Labour however have been reduced to inventing thousands of invisible activists and pretending the SNP are somehow close to the Tories politically.

The truth is that both Labour and Tories share a similar political agenda and neither they nor any other unionists put Scotland first. The SNP does, always, and that's the big difference. (Also, their voters and activists are highly motivated while Labour's aren't).
15

Beachcomber,

East Coast 24/07/2008 15:13:40
Margaret Curran's Political Background

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Curran_(politician)#Background
16

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 15:14:15
#13

Desperation, that's what I like to see!
17

Hawkeye the Noo,

24/07/2008 15:17:06
#13

"We'd have to be interned on St Kilda or transported to the Falklands or something."

Well, it would have to be the Falklands, because St Kilda is a very important part of the Scottish heritage which you and your "traitor" friends have tried to wipe off the face of the earth.

But, anyway, who would you propose to be the best party equipped for challenging the dominance of the SNP in Scotland? Do you have any preferences? DO you have any solutions of your own to offer, given that Scotland no longer sees full integration into the union as acceptable?

Do you favour a sort of federal model, which is virtually what we've got now? Or would you see that as a further step to independence and autonomy for Scotland you evidently don't want?

So you are advocating, then, the abolition of devolution and a return to the pre-devolution status quo? Then how do you propse for that to happen, given the enormous difficulties and controversies it would entail?

I'm asking you this because you unionist activists and blowhards seem more concenred about hating the SNP and often hating Scotland than you do about our political welfare.

Speaking of which, what do you think of the latest endorsement of our First Minister by the Scottish people?

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/opinion-former-index/legal-and-constitutional/politics-co-uk-poll-spells-trouble-labour-$1232929.htm

It surely tells us something, no?

To be sure, it's a bad time for unionists to see the union flittering away out of history like the flittery flimsy thing it is.
18

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 15:27:01
#14 - Let's just wait for the result rather than indulge ourselves in partisan propaganda, eh? Both the main Parties have got their activists out in numbers, and both have run decent though very different campaigns. The Gnats' rolling out of Salmond at every turn exposes the SNP for the one man band which it is, and may also have been counter-productive because so many voters can't stand the smug, oily git.

The Gnats, far from putting Scotland first, put themselves first. Yer man Mason admits that he'd rather see Scotland Tory than Labour. How is that "putting Scotland first"?

And I can assure you both that no-one in Labour thinks Margaret "scary" and that Labour activists are every bit as highly motivated as the Gnats. It's easy to get your people out when you're on a roll - it is much harder when you are up against it, as Labour currently are. Labour may or may not hold on tomorrow - experienced campaigners know that it is never easy to buck a prevailing trend - but nevertheless they have run a very focused and effective campaign in Glasgow East.

You Gnats are in danger of starting to believe your own publicity. You'd be better following another hard rule of politics ie do the math. You didn't win any overwhelming victory last May, you snuck in on the back of list seats. You have a minority Govt so sooner or later you will run out of bothe smoke and mirrors and the money to pay for all of your uncosted manifesto commitments.

Politics is a marathon, not a sprint. No sign yet that the Gnat bairns have the legs for the longer event.



19

Dominic, London,

24/07/2008 15:33:05
One more gain by the SNP will not make a big difference to Glasgow.
Labour losing their seat, on the other hand, leading to Gordon Brown's replacement with a Blairite stooge, well, that will make a big difference... and a difference that the Glaswegians will live to regret.
20

brownlie,

24/07/2008 15:35:22
18

Quite right - there are no smug oily gits in any of our unionist parties so we can afford post personal insults regarding the leader of the SNP. Rather than post negativity personal attacks are always best.
21

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 15:35:58
#17 - Hawkeye, you're a bigoted clown and your posts really don't merit a considered response. And I'm certainly not going to respond to a lot of hypothetical questions based on comments I never made in the first place.

Except to say that your knowledge of why St Kilda was abandoned appears pretty flawed, so instead of boring us with your oh-so 70s Braveheart rantings, you maybe want to read up on the history of that. You'll find among other things that the Labour Party certainly was not involved in any way in wiping out a single St Kildan. I think that far from being "wiped from the face of the earth", they just came back to the mainland to live, by the way.

If by my "traitor" friends you mean Tories, Lib Dems etc, I think you'll find that it's yer man Salmond who is most comfortable doing deals with the latter in particular. But then as a fully paid up member of the Westminster club himself, he'll be well acquainted with all the "traitors".
22

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 15:41:49
#18 - "Rather than post negativity personal attacks are always best" - pot, kettle, eh? Have you read any of the posts above from the usual Gnat suspects? Mature politics, it ain't. But then you don't expect that from supporters barely out the sandpit.

Are you claiming that a fair proportion of the electorate doesn't think Salmond is a smug, oily git? Salmond's main attribute last May was that he wasn't Jack McConnell. But he is still a smug, oily git to an awful lot of voters.

23

Hawkeye the Noo,

24/07/2008 15:43:49
#21

Woof woof!

24

brownlie,

24/07/2008 15:56:06
22

Yes, I like it - an awful lot of voters - very good description of those who do not like Salmond!
25

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24/07/2008 16:08:04
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 16:15:03
Q How would you describe the personality of the average Gnat supporter? (Tick only one answer)

a Smug

b Intolerant

c Gloating

d Smug, intolerant and gloating

e None of them has any personality
27

CwlCymro,

Wales 24/07/2008 16:17:36
I think Labour will hold the seat but the SNP will do quite well. their main problem is that many people have Labour in their 'genes' their entire family votes labour & they too.
28

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24/07/2008 16:21:16
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Nevsky,

Moscow 24/07/2008 16:28:27
27:
Especially the brain dead one with no teeth and the genetic Labour goons like Ghengis above!
















30

Hawkeye the Noo,

24/07/2008 16:29:28
#26

Woof woof woof!
31

Nevsky,

Moscow 24/07/2008 16:30:26
Anyone know how the new unemployment policy to be piloted in Glasgow will affect David Marshall?

32

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24/07/2008 16:31:57
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Mikey,

24/07/2008 16:33:58
Genghis McCann, chief onanist of the failed unionist cause!

34

Nevsky,

Moscow 24/07/2008 16:34:34

Just who in the Labour Party has such standing 50+ approval ratings...corrupt Wendy maybe? George Ryan perhaps? David Marshall lol, George 'i'm slightly mad' Foulkes..or that mad hound Curran?

Populated with real quality is has to be said!
35

Nevsky,

Moscow 24/07/2008 16:36:48
21:

Point out to us what deals Salmond has done with the conservatives again as i have forgotton?

Forgetting Gordon 'Brown' nose with Margaret Thatcher i think?
36

Jwil,

24/07/2008 16:58:16
Ian Swanson is advising us in advance of what the EEN's and the Scotsman's tack will be if the SNP is beaten by a whisker. The same grinding obfuscation by these two newspapers before and after the SNP came to power. How can they treat their readers with such disdain?

Still no thorough anaysis of David Marshall's financial dealings! It takes an English 'paper and Newsnight to inform the Scots with matters such as this, which influence their own country. This paper is not doing its job.
37

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 24/07/2008 17:06:40
#31 Nevsky

I am sure that as we speak the Marshall clan is formulating a way they can make money of the new workfare program.

No doubt Christina has already formed a company to collect the 50,000 Pound bounty for getting them into full time work.
38

gus1940,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 17:06:51
#6

While The City of Edinburgh has a lower population than The City of Glasgow it actually covers a larger area.
39

artemisclyde,

24/07/2008 17:10:47
Many things bother me about Scottish Labour - the lies, the hypocrisy, the taking advantage of the electorate - but one of the consistent themes is this vitriolic hatred they have of the SNP.

It takes more than party members and supporters to win an election. It takes voters who have no affiliation and decide to go and vote for the relevant party on it's own merits. You stand and fall on the electorate, not on the party members.

So by extension, people like this Ghengis (ironic name there - a man who tried to create a Union of states through force and manipulation) must hate at least 1 in 3 people that he meets in Scotland?

Second point - So the Tories are resurgent - never good news if you are not a big fan of the Tories.

But Labour have this "four legs good, two legs bad" attitude about the Tories.

They want to stifle democracy. They want us to vote in their half baked candidates on half baked policies simply because "we're no the Tories".

Not because Labour are actually doing anything good anymore (if indeed they have done so) but just because "we're no the Tories".

It is shameful and shows Labour as completely without substance.

I first got into Labour when John Smith was leader. Was gutted when he died. I then thought that there were still good people like Dewar and Cook - people of principle. I did the doorsteps in 97 and enjoyed the win. But if I had known then how Labour would waste their opportunity in power like they have done, I wouldn't have folded a single leaflet.

Labour used to have some terrific people in their lot but you couldn't throw a stone in the air at their party conference and hit a decent person among them now.

I'm starting to worry Labour think that because they won their 3rd election in a row, they can keep the country!
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 17:16:34
BBC London and the EBC in Scotland frequently use their news bulletins to run trailers for their programs.

Last night an excellent documentary exposing the way we had been misled over the years re Scotland's Oil was broadcast on BBC4 and was probably seen by very few people.

Why was there no advance publicity for the program?

Why was it tucked away on BBC4?

When will it be shown on terrestrial TV with some pre-publicity?
41

aedis,

Glasgow 24/07/2008 17:23:52
I see the Birmingham Post is reporting that the talk around Westminster is that the SNP are in front of Labour so far.

tinyurl.com/6fgxlg

Must be the results of Labour's own exit polling.

Early days, but it seems the SNP are getting their vote out.
42

Jwil,

24/07/2008 20:44:24
gus1940,Edinburgh 24/07/2008 17:16:34


This must be the programme that was first shown several weeeks ago on BBC1. It has also been shown on the parliament channel (the one where we were told Scots were greedy to want the oil for themselves)?
43

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 21:17:52
26#

None of them - how about "F" - no bloody brains at all.
44

geekpie,

forfar 25/07/2008 11:52:19
Alex Salmand frequently referred to the price of petrol in the campaign which was both populist, irresponsible and below the belt.

He knows as well as the next man that, as the RAC Foundation pointed out last month, the cost of motoring has fallen by 18% in real terms over the past 20 years, which is why there are far too many cars and far too many people organising their lives around excessive car mileage.

Irresponsible from the SNP.
45

Lianachan,

Highlands 25/07/2008 12:18:18
"It could be he is proved right and the Nationalists do snatch the seat from Labour. His strategy seems to be that if you repeat the confident message of victory often enough, it will all come true. But if that does not work, he will have some explaining to do tomorrow."

As upsetting as it must be to the editors of the Scotsman, it looks like no explanations are neccessary this morning.

 

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