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Published Date: 05 July 2009
GORDON Brown's main rival for the Labour leadership tore up the government's key ID card policy without informing the Prime Minister, it was reported last night.
The Home Secretary Alan Johnson is said to have surprised the Prime Minister and his senior advisers by declaring that holding an identity card would never be compulsory for British citizens.

Last night, reports suggested that No 10 had no idea t
hat the Home Secretary would arbitrarily change the previous policy, which was that ministers would make ID cards compulsory.

Suggestions of friction between the two politicians has re-ignited speculation that Johnson's name will once again become associated with plots to take over the Labour leadership before the next general election. Johnson, a former postman, has always declared he would not challenge the Prime Minister.

Johnson, who was recently promoted from Health Secretary to the Home Office, had been scheduled to make a low-key announcement last Tuesday, abandoning plans for ID card trials at two airports which would have made carrying them compulsory for some pilots and airline staff.

After doing so, however, he went much further and declared: "I want the introduction of identity cards for all British citizens to be voluntary."

A government source said: "No 10 knew Alan was going to make the airports announcement. But they had no idea he would simply tear up the entire policy as far as compulsory cards were concerned."

Brown has always insisted that he backs moves towards making ID cards compulsory – despite protests from Labour MPs and a pledge by the Tories they would abandon them if elected, saving an estimated £2 billion.

A Downing Street spokesman last night denied there was a "rift" between the Prime Minister and Johnson.







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  • Last Updated: 05 July 2009 12:34 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Identity cards
 
1

Brianwci,

05/07/2009 01:22:23
An act guaranteed to cement further unity within the British Nationalist Labour Party.....and I don't think!!!
2

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 05/07/2009 01:22:49
But that nice man Mr Straw said that these U-Turns were actually the Westminster government listening to the public.

Perhaps Maggie Brown wasn't listening to his Home Secretary.

Of course there is no rift - they are both in agreement that they don't know what the other is doing or saying.
3

Brianwci,

05/07/2009 01:23:27
But good on you Johnson for effectively ditching the wretched things.
4

Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 05/07/2009 01:33:43
I guess that's another fax machine required for Broon's office, the last one being in many pieces after bouncing off the wall.
5

donald,

glasgow 05/07/2009 03:25:55
Another fine mess.
6

yockel,

05/07/2009 04:50:19
Come on, stop punting the lie that ID cards have been ditched. It is still full steam ahead with a minor announcement which will be ditched in due course.

How much has been slashed from the ID card budget?
7

Typo,

Devon 05/07/2009 06:30:58
I have to agree with yockel, 04:50, on this one. ID cards will be ‘voluntary’ but you’ll find that you won’t be able to travel abroad, drive, rent a property, claim any benefits, open a bank account, etc etc etc without one.

The only way to be rid of ID cards is to make sure this appalling government is buried at the next election.
8

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/07/2009 09:25:59
I don't recall the Labour Government ever saying that ID cards would be compulsory for everyone. They were always vague on this. Of course we knew that was their long-term intention.
9

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 05/07/2009 11:41:15
#6
Is absolutely correct. the ID Cards have not been ditched. It is just there has been so much opposition to them, Westminster must go slow.

As you said, not one penny has been cut from the budget.

Once the mechanisms are fully in place, all we need is one MI5 inspired terrorist threats, and the country is under "immediate threat". Arrest and beat up a few students from Pakistan, and there you have Westminster saying it has no alternative but to make them compulsory.
10

Thrawn,

UK 05/07/2009 12:15:43
Quite right, 6 & 7. See: no2id.net

NO2ID's latest newsletter (No. 126) states: The ID scheme has NOT been shelved, cancelled, or even significantly changed ** Once more government spin has triumphed and much of the media has got it wrong. The new Home Secretary Alan Johnson has not made any significant changes to the scheme. Compulsion by stealth is still the order of the day, just as it always was. Someone joining the ID scheme 'voluntarily' will still be placing control of their identity in the hands of the IPS for life. The Home Office line remains the same. No compulsion (as the Home Office defines it) was going to be applied until almost everyone had' volunteered' and then it was only a matter of rounding up a minority of resisters and marginalised people. The Home Office's idea of "voluntary" is not the same as yours and mine. Since 2004 the scheme was (and it still is) to proceed by "designating" one-by-one under the Identity Cards Act 2006 other documents issued by official bodies -- in the first place passports. Once a document has been designated, you won't be able to apply for one without also applying to be entered, for life, on the national identity register. If you don't agree to be registered it won't be that you are refused (say) a passport; you'd have voluntarily decided not to apply. There's no compulsion to have a passport. It is useful for travelling. But you aren't compelled to travel. Or (say) to drive. Or to work as a security guard. Or with children. Or in health care. To get parole from prison. To practise as a lawyer. ...Any official licence, registration certificate or permit can be designated, and -- in the home office's skewed logic -- handing control of your identity to the Home Office's Identity and Passport Service will still be entirely voluntary. That they were due for a confrontation with the airside worker's unions over designating new passes at Manchester and City Airports is an illustration of just how voluntary "voluntary" r
11

Queen D,

05/07/2009 12:16:37
For Scotlands Future, you have just depressed the hell out of me because I know you are correct!
12

Thrawn,

UK 05/07/2009 12:17:18
NO2ID newsletter 126 (cont.):

That they were due for a confrontation with the airside worker's unions over designating new passes at Manchester and City Airports is an illustration of just how voluntary "voluntary" really is. But the fact they have now ducked that fight for political convenience suggests saying no does work - if you say it loudly enough.
13

Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 05/07/2009 12:29:39
Hate to sound like a stuck record, but it's all very NWO/EU/Illuminati control of the masses stuff. Check out Brian Gerrish and John Harris on YouTube to see what we are up against in this country. ID cards are the tip of a very nasty iceberg.
14

Thrawn,

UK 05/07/2009 12:34:12
Soon all we'll need to compliment the CCTV cameras outside is the telescreen in every home, the surveillance mechanism of "1984". Then "Freedom will be Slavery".
15

Thrawn,

UK 05/07/2009 12:34:35
#14: apologies: complement, not compliment.
16

syntax,

Edinburgh 06/07/2009 01:54:51
We should all demand the introduction of ID cards - then simply refuse to carry them or produce them. I have no issues with ID cards - I'd love to have one, just so I can leave it at home and refuse to provide it when demanded. What are the politicians going to do? They don't have enough prison cells now and they are struggling to collect fines already imposed on people. Elect to have ID cards and then simply put them in a drawer and forget about them.

We should get like the French. Simply agree to every piece of legislation and then simply ignore it when it comes into force. I just love the French they have style /:o)
17

Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 06/07/2009 07:49:28
#17 Nice one syntax. Look at John Harris' video on YouTube for effective ways of scuppering attempts to fine you under the UK's toothless and scandalous so-called laws, which are actually just contracts which you can refuse to answer. It's a bit complicated but the result is that they cannot get a fine out of you if you are careful about how you refer to yourself and how you respond to their contract offers, (fines/summons).

 

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