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Glasgow East by-election: Westminster trembles as the tremors of a historic SNP victory reverberate



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Published Date: 25 July 2008
THERE have been four great SNP by-election victories. To the history books can be added Glasgow East.
Alex Salmond, the First Minister, and John Mason, a well-informed and determined councillor, have converted Labour's third-safest seat in Scotland into SNP sensation No5.

It had looked so unlikely right up to the close of polls. The fear was that
the East End's heart remained Labour, no matter how badly it performed at Westminster, or how ineffective it was at tackling problems on the ground. Labour, ran the argument, was as ingrained in the Glasgow working-class as football and religion.

But asked to send a message to the Prime Minister about the soaring cost of living, the people rejected their party of habit, of their parents and probably their grandparents, and backed the Nats. What a mighty earthquake they have triggered.

Now no Labour MP is safe. This was the party's 25th-safest seat in the UK. The party faces destruction whenever the general election is called – and there has to be one by June 2010.

Mr Salmond visited 12 times. Gordon Brown claimed Prime Ministerial exemption from by-elections and went to Iraq and Israel. In doing so, he insulted his fellow Scots – and sent out a message: he was scared. Look how they have repaid him. The people of Glasgow East have sparked the endgame in his premiership – Labour back-benchers will be queuing up to show him the door.

Nationalists never tire of recalling how Winnie Ewing's victory in Hamilton in 1967, with a 1,799 majority over Labour, started the Nationalists' ball rolling.

Then it was Margo MacDonald, who won Glasgow Govan with a narrow 571 majority over Labour in 1973. She was unable to hold the seat at the following year's general election.

Govan retained its place in Nationalist folklore when in 1988 Jim Sillars, Ms MacDonald's husband and a former Labour MP, stole it from Labour's clutches in a by-election prompted by the resignation of Bruce Millan. Mr Sillars, a streetwise campaigner, achieved a 33 per cent swing that gave him a 3,554 majority over the hapless Labour candidate, Bob Gillespie.

Then in 1995, the SNP's Roseanna Cunningham stole Perth and Kinross from the Conservatives following the death of the sitting MP, Sir Nicholas Fairbairn. With the election falling mid-term for John Major's crisis-hit administration, Ms Cunningham achieved an 11.5 per cent swing and a 7,311 majority – but over Labour, as the Tories were pushed into third place.

The signs were there, and not only at Holyrood. Labour came within 556 votes of losing Hamilton South in 1999 – despite defending a majority of almost 16,000 – when George Robertson stood down to become a peer and secretary-general of Nato.

Labour also suffered a scare from the Nationalists in 2000, when Eric Joyce was elected with a majority of just 705, despite Labour defending a 14,000 majority from the 1997 general election landslide that brought Tony Blair into Downing Street.

Mr Salmond will struggle to contain his smile. He gambled his personal reputation – and won handsomely. Do they feel the tremors at No10? There's not the slightest doubt about that.

THE TURNOUT: Sunshine brings out 42% surge of voters

THE polls closed last night amid signs of a higher-than-expected turnout of just over 42 per cent.

A survey at 9pm had suggested a level of 41 per cent, a full hour before polls closed.

That compares with 48 per cent at the 2005 General Election and would be slightly higher than the high 30s suggested by bookmakers' odds during the campaign.

Signs of a strong turnout emerged earlier as the sun shone on voters going to the polls.

The 76 ballot boxes from 40 polling places were counted at the Tollcross leisure centre.

The total number of electors eligible to vote was 62,051, and some 3,911 of these had registered for a postal vote.

Labour sent out around 400 activists to bolster their support in the morning and said that early indications had pointed to a strong turnout.

In Crewe and Nantwich in May, which was won by the Conservatives, turnout was high for a by-election at 58.2 per cent.

At the Haltemprice, East Yorkshire, by-election, won by Tory David Davis earlier this month, the turnout was just over 34 per cent.



The full article contains 748 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 07:10:58
"In tonight's vote, there was a 22.54 percent swing toward the SNP, according to BBC News 24 television. A shift of this size replicated across Scotland would reduce the number of Labour lawmakers in Scotland to one"

see - tinyurl.com/5ly6bu
2

Tynietiger,

25/07/2008 07:18:51
Scotland 1 UK 0
3

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25/07/2008 07:21:26
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Proximaking,

Aberdeen 25/07/2008 07:22:56
Of course if the SNP can't offer any more than the tired old Labour ideas of chucking money at problems, money we don't have and never will have even if we got all the oil monies, they will be out on their ears as well.
5

SEUMAS,

fearn 25/07/2008 07:25:59
#proximating#
Are you am2 in disguise?
6

Finnz,

North Sea 25/07/2008 07:37:44
But 'Proximating' Tired old ideas were all Labour were offering, and have done for the last 20 years. They took the electorate for granted thinking that anyone on welfare would have to support them. Why would they cut their own throats by making any attempts to improve the lot of voters on the social. Now that they have a representative that will actually try to improve conditions, things can only get better
7

ruthie,

ALBA 25/07/2008 07:43:18
Funny how there is the suggestion in the press now that LIEbour lost because Gordon north britain thatcher brown didn't come to the constituency.i rather think they lost because they are a CORRUPT, deceiving pack of self serving liars, and weren't the liebour crowd postulating about how curran was such a strong candidate they didn't need brown to detract from her?
They lost with the person they claimed was their strong candidate - what does that say about the rest of them.
WELL DONE PEOPLE OF GLASGOW EAST! YOU HAVE MADE HISTORY! DELIGHTED!
8

MacGillicuddy,

25/07/2008 07:49:29
What,NO Britnats like AM2, Highland Mighty, Grahamski et alia offering their congratulations to Mr Mason? Says it all really!

Given the overlap in the Holyrood and Westmonster constituencies clearly the electorate has delivered a verdict of no confidence in Margaret Curran and she should now resign as an MSP.
9

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 25/07/2008 07:52:29
Thank you, electors of Glasgow East - you've done the right thing. As a Glasgow eastender, born and bred, I always knew you would. Congratulations to John Mason and his wonderful, dedicated campaign team. The future is bright for Glasgow East - and for Scotland.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OARvE4ZzMCY
10

Fifi la Bonbon,

25/07/2008 08:05:27
Well I'm happy to offer congratulations to Mr Mason.

He will join Winnie Ewing, Margo McDonald and Jim Sillars as one of the few SNP candidates to beat a Labour candidate in a Westminster by-election.

Like them, he'll be looking for something else to do come the general election.

Meanwhile, events move on. Mr Mason could do worse than to advise his SNP councillor colleagues running East Ayrshire Council to honour the personal care costs refund. SNP-led East Ayrshire Council took a total of £1.9 million from pensioners for services such as food preparation in their homes - 675 people were charged up to £2,815 each. Edinburgh City and Dumfries and Galloway have paid the money back to the pensioners, and so should all the rest, including East Ayrshire who spent it and never kept anything back in reserve.

11

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 25/07/2008 08:06:04
Hello, "anybody home" is all that can be heard at London Controlled New Labour Party Headquarters. The shredders will be going bust after all the mountains of lies and deception docuements are shredded.

A quick message to David Cairns.

THE MacCHATTERING CLASSES HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU MR FINISHED HERE IN SCOTLAND.

GET IT UP YOU CAIRNS!!!!!!.
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25/07/2008 08:06:53
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mark mccann,

Leighton Buzzard 25/07/2008 08:08:29
Go to BBCi player, BBC4 and look for;
BBC Scotland Investigates: 2008: Truth, Lies, Oil and Scotland.
Then tell me we won't be better off, we've been lied to and conned by succesive British governments.
AM2 if you watch this, you'll either leave the country (Scotland) or You'll join the S.N.P..
You have no other choices
Bye, Bye, AM2.
From a whinging ex pat bleeding the English dry. ;)
14

Shireman,

Kilspindie 25/07/2008 08:24:17
I really did not believe it would happen, even as a forthright supporter of the SNP it was beyond my wildest as they say.
Well done John Mason and Wee Eck, let the fireworks begin!
15

Logician,

25/07/2008 08:48:26
Fifi dearest,

Methinks that John Mason's post-General Election job prospects are somewhat rosier than twenty or so Scottish Labour MPs.

ps when are the unemployed due to be marched off to the stalags?
16

rabrats,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 08:51:35
Well I did think they would win, same story as Holyrood.
The People of this great country are starting to wake up to the lying cheating ars***** that have for decades done nowt but let places like Glasgow east (too many to mention) be seen as the most poverty stricken areas in Europe.
17

John S,

25/07/2008 09:10:24
Gordon Brown claimed Prime Ministerial exemption from by-elections and went to Iraq and Israel. In doing so, he insulted his fellow Scots - and sent out a message: he was scared. Look how they have repaid him.
PM Tony Blair appeared in person at these by-elections.
Uxbridge,1997-Labour's campaign included a visit by PM Tony Blair.
Eddisbury, 1999-PM Tony Blair went to the constituency to campaign.
Hamilton South, 1999-Personal appearances by PM Tony Blair,Gordon Brown
It looks as if Gordon was scared to face his fellow Scots.
18

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 25/07/2008 09:20:30
Incredible.

This seat was SAFER THAN GORDON BROWN'S OWN SEAT.

When people started talking up the SNPs chances I thought it was far too optimistic.

Brown won't resign, but he and Labour are simply dead men walking. I wonder whether UK wide Labour will become the third party - after all you have to be virtually brainwashed to consider voting for them.
19

tartan army 2222,

Gloating 25/07/2008 09:27:05
Oh AM Twoooooo-hooooooo

Where are you?
20

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 25/07/2008 09:30:38
This is a wonderful result and hopefully it is the final nail in the coffin of Nubanour in Scotland. I sincerely hope that the SNP will sweep many of the corrupt, thieving, lying labour apparatchiks from office in the west of Scotland. Observing the labour hacks at the count last night - it confirmed the aphorism that 'Politics is show-business for ugly people'. A more unattractive herd of trough guzzlers would be hard to find.

I suspect that although voters wanted to really punish these lying NuLabour swine - that does not mean they would support a Nationalist agenda in terms of independence. They rightly feel that Salmond has done a better job in government that McConnell, McLeish e. al. - and I think people will continue to vote SNP for a practical administration. However, they won't vote for independence. Time will tell. With a conservative government in London in 2010 - Salmond will be able to consolidate SNP power across Scotland; his strategy will be to act as the thorn under Cameron's saddle - to wrest more and more concessions from UK govt. However, he will not win a vote for independence IMHO.

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The Former Mr. Angry,

25/07/2008 09:31:22
'Toom Tabard' - 'empty coat' was coined for King John Balliol, as it mocked him for being spineless and nothing more than a mere puppet of the English monarch.

Gordon Brown now seeks to better that by being completely out of the country as his fellow Scots (North Britons?) give him the biggest shellacking he's had yet. He won't go with any dignity as it's "his turn" but go he will and hopefully sooner rather than later before much more damage is done to the UK. He finds it easy to shell out £30M of our hard-earned cash to Palestinians for personal vanity purposes, yet cannot help his own people to weather the financial storm.
22

John B Dick,

25/07/2008 09:31:48
The Scottish Labour MP's who helped in the campaign should now go home and prepare for independence.
23

An Greumach Mor,

Soon To Be Independent Scotland 25/07/2008 09:34:03
So where are all the unionists who claim the nationalist cause does not exist and that all the postings on here are from a few zealots using multiple user names? Where are all the smug little ZaNu Labour supporters to tell us SNP have no chance and no support.

Come out! Come out! Where Ever You Are!

24

Alastair the First,

25/07/2008 09:34:51
I reckon Gordon Brown will be defeated in the next UK general election. He will no doubt hang on as PM till then, but he's finished as a politician.
25

The Scotchman,

25/07/2008 09:35:41
Excellent!

Calling "BAM2" (who is probably Gordon Brown himself)... come out, come out, wherever you are!
26

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 25/07/2008 09:40:22
Wow I just heard Tony Ben talking immense sense about politics.What's that about then?
27

For Scotlands Future,

Thank you for voting SNP 25/07/2008 09:41:23
Has there been a coup d'etat at The Scotsman??

"The signs were there...." Then why did the Scotsman continue to campaign that it would be a narrow Labour win??

"Labour sent out around 400 activists..." Then why did the Scotsman report the number was 2000??

If there hasn't been a coup d'etat - there certainly needs to be one.
28

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 25/07/2008 09:43:44
Congratulations on your win Mr Mason, the strategy of the fight was well administered! When you see Saint Alex of Renewables, would you please ask him if we might have a referendum on independence, NOW! We really do need to clear the air on this one, before the English beat us to it and form their independent state government within the EU.
29

jacquesmac,

25/07/2008 09:44:47
ATTENTION, ATTENTION, ATTENTION, ATTENTION, ATTENTION



AN ENGLISH MESSAGE WILL FOLLOW, AN ENGLISH MESSAGE WILL FOLLOW, AN ENGLISH MESSAGE WILL FOLLOW



"Vi er best i verden! Vi er best i verden! Vi har slått England 2-1 i fotball!! Det er aldeles utrolig! Vi har slått England! England, kjempers fødeland. Lord Nelson, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Clement Attlee, Henry Cooper, Lady DianaScottish 'N British, Free by '93, Highland Mighty, Monkey man, Kimba (very smelly foul mothed mong, do not approach!), The Master, Publius,The Tin Man, Truly English, The Maltese Tranny, Janis the tranny, AM2, Ciderman (brain dead garbage.) Side show bob, Phil1, The Answer, Nikostratos, Media1 (Village Idiot.) Gordon The Chairman. Dennis from Northern Isles. Frank MD, Elizabeth the Ist. Rufus T. Firefly, Fairfax, sm753, British Pride, Boudica, LEGSA KIMBA,Langtonian, Grahmski, L for L, Galactic, annabal, Baffled, PbS, Graham and GrRBNR,--vi har slått dem aham alle sammen.

Vi har slått dem alle sammen.

Maggie Thatcher can you hear me?

"Maggie Thatcher, jeg har et budskap til deg midt under valgkampen. Jeg har et budskap til deg: Vi har slått England ut avVerdensmesterskapet.

Maggie Thatcher, som de sier på ditt språk i boksebarene rundt Madison Square Garden i New York: Your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating!"






"We are the best in the world! We are best in the world! We have beaten England!!

It is completely unbelievable! We have beaten England!

England, birthplace of giants. Lord Nelson, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Clement Attlee, Henry Cooper, Lady Diana, Scottish 'N British, Free by '93, Highland Mighty, Monkey man, Kimba (very smelly foul mothed mong, do not approach!), The Master, Publius,The Tin Man, Truly English, The Maltese Tranny, Janis the tranny, AM2, Ciderman (brain dead garbage.) Side show bob, Phil1, The Answer, Nikostratos, Media1
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sam the god,

25/07/2008 09:47:55
Some people have short memories. Hark back to the last time Labour was in power and that old clown Callaghan brought the country to a standstill and before him there was Wilson and his idiotic sidekick Dennis Healey who bankrupted the country and had us crawling off to the IMF with a begging bowl-the ultimate humiliation. 18 years of Tory thrift and international respect down the drain. Well done again Labour. Only scroungers do well under Labour, we need a hard line again. Come back Maggie!

31

bluehead,

edinburgh 25/07/2008 09:49:57
I hope the labour party stick by gordon brown,for it will surely send them into oblivion,and we be will rid of them forever
32

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 25/07/2008 09:50:27
#26 Banana Heid

It's a great pity his son didn't inherit some of his father's common sense, courage and grit when he had to make a decision on badger culling and decided against it. He is merely prolonging a lot of misery for the species regarding TB infection.
33

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 25/07/2008 09:51:21
Who is suprised to find AM2 and his mates not posting first today?

I am looking forward to when he eventually posts and it does not matter on which forum.

I single you out AM2 for the number of your posts I have read and for the content of said posts. It is very diffucult to express so much smugness in a written forum. But you manage very well.

How are you enjoying the earthquake?
How about finally accepting you are in the minority and your union is dying.
How about getting it right up ya!
34

oddoneout,

25/07/2008 09:56:00
Congrats on the win, but is it not rather by default? Labour have driven the country into one of the worst situations it has been in for a long while, totally ignored the will of the people and turned the country virtually into a police state with privacy going out of the window. Other alternatives? Conservatives...East End....Glasgow.... your having a laugh, personally think he was lucky to keep his deposit, Lib Dem, who are they, what do they stand for?
Feel free to think (and I'm sure you will)that this was the Scottish public endorsing the policies of the SNP, but in reality the SNP is the only choice the voters have, enjoy it until someone new comes along
35

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 25/07/2008 09:56:38
Aye, It will be a long day for the Unionist parasites today. I wonder when they will finally come out to play?
36

AJ Fife,

25/07/2008 10:04:41
#33,

Team AM2 must have run out of ideas by now! However, in a strange way, AM2 is like a lucky charm for the SNP. Since they turned up on these boards(just before 3rd May 2007), Mr Salmond and his team go from strength to strength.

Maybe the type of bull that comes from the likes of groups such as AM2, is the very fuel that helps the SNP to reinforce it's ever rising political status!

Team AM2 appear to be flogging a deid horse and deid ideas.
37

An Beal Bacht,

25/07/2008 10:12:37
"But asked to send a message to the Prime Minister about the soaring cost of living, the people rejected their party of habit, of their parents and probably their grandparents, and backed the Nats. What a mighty earthquake they have triggered."

I think it was about more than that Ross. Labour made it a battle about independence. You remember Curran saying at every opportunity that Mason was in politics to break up the union? Well she was right and the people voted for him. Now what's the message there?
38

donald anderson it's me,

weegieland 25/07/2008 10:14:40
AM2 aff sick and to feed the little red monkey.
39

Talorthane,

25/07/2008 10:17:26
Come over baby
whole lot of shakin' goin' on
Yes, I said come over baby
baby you can't go wrong
We ain't fakin'
Whole lot of shakin' goin' on

Well I said come over baby
we got chicken in the barn
oooh... huh..
Come over baby
babe we got the bull by the horn-a
We ain't fakin'
Whole lot of shakin' goin' on

Well I said shake baby shake
I said shake baby shake
I said shake it baby shake it
I said shake baby shake
Come on over
Whole lot of shakin goin' on
40

Bemused and above it all,

25/07/2008 10:27:00
Oh well, its a good job Mrs "I've lived and worked in the East end all my life" Curran actually has done neither for the best part of 20 years, means she can go to the morrissons in Newlands and not get the p!ss taken out her by everyone for being a total diddy!
41

geekpie,

forfar 25/07/2008 10:28:27
Alex Salmand frequently referred to the price of petrol in the campaign which was both populist, irresponsible and below the belt.

He knows as well as the next man that, as the RAC Foundation pointed out last month, the cost of motoring has fallen by 18% in real terms over the past 20 years, which is why there are far too many cars and far too many people organising their lives around excessive car mileage.

Irresponsible from the SNP.
42

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25/07/2008 10:46:03
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An Independent Scottish Voice.,

25/07/2008 10:46:25
RS Gardener 1707
Tyrone Shoulders 2nd version
Dane Bramage SNP Insider,
Scottish 'N British
Free by '93,
Highland Mighty
Monkey man
kimba (very smelly foul mothed mong, do not approach no brain just a huge gob.)
(vacancy)
Publius
The Tin Man
Truly English
The Maltese Tranny
Janis the tranny
AM2
Ciderman (brain dead garbage.)
Side show bob
Phil1
The Answer
Nikostratos. (Frontal lobotomy.)
Media1 (Village Idiot.)
Gordon The Chairman.
Dennis from Northern Isles.
Frank MD
Elizabeth the Ist.
Rufus T. Firefly
fairfax
sm753
British Pride
Boudica
Langtonian,
The Master. (Windae licker.)
Grahmski,
L for L,
Galactic
Cannabal
RBNR.

Goodbye unionists hello freedom. But a hearty vote of thanks for your utter madness that drove voters to the SNP, I am so so happy. Curran and Labour deserves the wilderness that has opened up in front of them.

Well done John Mason and the team you are worthy winners, Scotland and the East End of Glasgow are the biggest winners. A resounding endorsement of SNP policies.

BRING IT ON.

SAOR ALBA GU BRATH.
44

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 25/07/2008 10:47:14
Now then boys and girls, ease up a bit, no more mention of the unionists, remember you should try and look kindly on an endangered species.

As for me, it would seem that when it comes to organisation for elections that the SNP have unearthed a real gem in Angus Robertson, he has the touch and he has the timing.

We are already hearing much of the term protest vote, I do hope that some 'expert', will explain to us why a vote is not a form of protest anyway, they could also explain what it was they think the folk of Glasgow East
felt that they had to complain about, there must have been something!

Anyway, congratulations to all concerned, a stunning victory against the SNP's two greatest opponents, the labour party and the Scottish media.

Well done Glasgow East.
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Hugh T,

25/07/2008 10:53:30
#41

Your comments are the most pitifully small sour grapes I've seen in a while.

Come the glorious revolution what say we decide our own tax on fuel, rather then have it foisted upon us by our London masters? Wee Alex is more than entitled to bring it up.
46

Sedov,

Scotland 25/07/2008 10:56:57
I have no truck with nationalism and the SNP and they will eventually wither on the vine of broken promises just like the rest of them - but at least they have done the much maligned left in Britain a favour by (hopefully) shaking up those soft lefts within the Labour Party and the trade union movement who denied LP affiliated and party members a chance to vote for their leader and put their faith in the hopeless bosses man Gordon Brown. In past disasters of this kind, the suited careerists within the LP blamed the left for making the party "unelectable" - who will they blame this time as it sems likely the Tories will win the next election? So all you MP's who spoke about boasted about their socialist credentials but supported Brown - get your act together -you have a superb future leader in John Mc Donnell - there is no time to lose, your seats are in danger, your traditional supporters are deserting you -- out with Brown - in with Mc Donnell! see Jon4leader website.
47

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25/07/2008 11:00:37
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 25/07/2008 11:10:59
Congratulations to the SNP.A combination of a popular local candidate and an SNP government that delivers what people want,overcame a biased media and a huge Labour majority.
49

Shave,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 11:22:22
Congratulations to Mr Mason.

Whilst I don't think that this result is indicative of a surge in support for independence, it does bring the possibility of a referendum closer. A great success for the SNP.
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ExpatNI,

25/07/2008 11:41:36
Heartfelt Congratulations to John Mason and the SNP activists who helped make this possible. Huge thanks and congratulations to the people of Glasgow East who have sent shock waves through the history books of Scottish Politics




Saor Alba
51

MacGillicuddy,

25/07/2008 11:59:35
A great day and a milestone as Scotland heads towards its independence. For me the demise of the union cannot come soon enough.
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MacGillicuddy,

25/07/2008 12:01:38
Since the two Holyrood and the Westmonster constituencies in Glasgow East have considerable overlap, Curran having been dealt a resounding vote of NO CONFIDENCE by the electorate there, should now resign her MSP seat.
53

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

25/07/2008 12:25:21
#52 Moronic comment of the day.

By your argument then we shouldn'tb other with elections for MSPs but just go by the Westminster results.

54

Rob - Honest Toun,

25/07/2008 12:25:31
Haes onybody noticed that the Scotsman haes pit the SNP colours abuin the heidline tae this story an the same wi aw the ithers?

Chynge o hert??
55

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

25/07/2008 12:30:35
This is possibly the worst result for Labour - if the Nats had won by a larger margin then I think it is safe to say that Brown would be on his way. It now looks as though he will limp on - until the next disaster arises.

In many ways Brown has only himself to blame. He is correct that many of the economic factors that voters are facing are almost entirely outwith his control. However, what he seems to fail to understand is that the electorate want someone to actually lead the country, to make things easier, to lighten the load in these worrying times. Instead he has bumbled from one crisis to the next, reacting not acting, and, quite bluntly, not dealing with the real issues that concern us. Voters are not going to be won over by tougher action on terrosrists or debates on embryology - however worthy that may be. They are only going to be won if he leads from the front and deals with the real bread and butter issues not the periphery.

That all being said, the truth is that even with good leadership the electorate would still be punishing whoever was the government right now. If the Tories had been elected at the last election they would have faced exactly the same problems as Labour. And, despite their protestations, their economic policy would not have been fundamentally different from Labour's - we would be talking about by-election losses to the Lib Dems if they had been elected.


(to be continued)
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

25/07/2008 12:31:51
(continued from #55)

As for the nationalists - again it shows that they are far better than Labour when it comes to getting their activists organised. Whilst the likes of Nicola Sturgeon may in public be stating that this is the breakthrough, privately they will know that one swallow does not make a summer. Discontent with Labour does not necessarily equate to a vote for independence. Many voters will have absolutely no problem voting for a left of centre nationalist government - because they believe they have the better policies - but would not vote for independence. What is ironic is that for a long time independence was more popular than the SNP's own ratings - now that situation is reversed - that Nats are more popular than their own raison d'etre. Perhaps that is the nub of their own problem - the more they govern effectively at Holyrood, the more they make the case that devolution is working.

The question for the SNP is how do you turn votes for the SNP in to votes for independence?
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mcmadmanreturns,

Saor Alba 25/07/2008 12:37:14
#56

"The question for the SNP is how do you turn votes for the SNP in to votes for independence?"

I don't fully understand you. Votes for the SNP are indeed votes for independence as that is what the SNP seek to achieve.
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Shaken,

25/07/2008 12:48:20
I think it was the live TV debate on Wednesday that perhaps swung the voters. Curran showed her true colours of being an aggresive women with no real substance to her 'listening to the people of the east end' tripe.

A victory for commonsense and decency

Vive la SNP
59

Geoff,

sa 25/07/2008 12:58:14
57 mcmadmanreturns-not necessarily. Not all Labour supporters are Unionists and not all SNP supporters back independence-many of the latter are just fedup(justifiably) with Labour.
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Tyrone Shoulders 2nd version,

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An Independent Scottish Voice

GET ME OFF THAT LIST. I am not a unionist. Heavens above, I had to change to this moniker because AM2 deleted my post and got me banned!
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Rasco,

Inverness 25/07/2008 13:48:40
Heard Glen on BBC say the SNP will have their work cut out to hold this seat at a General Election or words to that affect and Alex Salmond spouting sound bites poor Glen.
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Gregor Addison,

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Maggie Thatcher! Your boy took a hell of a beating!!!

Just kidding. But you do have to feel they had it coming. After all, Labour have been in power for almost 60 years in Glasgow East and successive Labour Governments at Westminster and Holyrood have failed to deliver for the voters of Glasgow East. Why keep voting on the party that kicks you when you're down? Now that they have won, I hope the SNP and John Mason in particular put as much into changing the lives of the voters of Glasgow East as they did into the campaign to unseat Labour. Well done!
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Brian M,

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as for Brown supposed to have been listening, he must have ear plugs or he only hears what he wants.
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