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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:07 AM

Jowly Eck was keen to claim credit when unemployment among Scots was at a lower rate than in England. Now that situation is reversed, how can he he do other than take the blame? ______________________________________________________ Plan MacB = Higher Scots unemployment.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:09 AM

The Plan MacB meltdown continues unabated.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:12 AM

“The unemployment rate in Scotland rose dramatically, from 7.5 per cent to 8.5 per cent in three months, and is now greater than the 8.3 per cent rate recorded for the UK.” ______________________________________________________ This is predictable payback for Down-the -Swanney’s ludicrous Plan MacB. Who can take seriously anything he or Jowly Eck says on the economy again. ______________________________________________________ WHHOSH.... there goes another salami slice of referendum support. ______________________________________________________ “Events, dear boy.....

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Vote ‘NO’

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:14 AM

He took ALL the credits when unemployment was lower than England. He gloated. What now, Fatboy? Worth a poster campaign. “Scotland Under Salmond Isn’t Working.”

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voice of reason

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Lighten up people. Remember we are in an arc of prosperity with Ireland and Iceland!! So come on, smile, and be happy. At least we have stopped football fans singing sordid little ditties to each other, and so rid the country of sectarianism for good. Nae limits for Scotland!

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Vote ‘NO’

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:16 AM

The separatists have gone into hiding. If it were up to me, aw these bawbags would be in the dole line making up these numbers. Vote SCAB SNP, get Dole Money.

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wee-scamp

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Why exactly is Alex Salmond under fire? People that actually understand how the devolution thing works know full well that the level of real economic levers the Scottish Govt can pull are extremely limited.

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Vote ‘NO’

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:18 AM

5 This withered excuse for legislation was destroyed on TV. Salmond’s SNP has calculated that the Old Firm fans are easy bait.

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Good evening Cynicus. Did you see SNP MSP Joe FitzPatrick on Newsnight? If that is the standard of MSP in Holyrood then they should throw away the keys hence forth. He was babbling on about the unemployment figures from 1999! Jowly Eck will be ensuring he never gets on TV ever again.

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Charles Linskaill

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:19 AM

You can’t blame Alex Salmond for 25,000 more Scots being out of work, Its a global recession, and nothing to do with our first minister, The whole scenario of 25,000 more Scots out of work, is all down to previous American governments, followed by Downing Street to lend money till it came out of their ears, and never had in the first place.

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Vote ‘NO’

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:20 AM

7. Good News = Super SNP skill at work, Bad News = Big Bad Britain denies SNP proper powers. The weasels are out.

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:22 AM

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Moniker Lewinsky

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:22 AM

There’s nothing we can do really as long as we are locked into the Tory govt in Westminster. To be honest I think there is not that much we could do if we had a sovereign Scottish government either, there are just really tough times ahead & that’s it. But in my view that is why I want a Scottish government. The Tories are not fair, never have been & never ever will be. I think a Scottish government would be more fair & would put the priorities of the majority of people at the fore as opposed to just looking after themselves which is what Tories do & are doing.

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Charles Linskaill

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Blaming Alex Salmond for 25,000 more Scots being out of work is Utterly Ludicrous, and those who do, have a mental health problem,,get it seen to, before it gets worse!

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:26 AM

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wee-scamp

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:28 AM

#11 That’s a rather simplistic analysis. I have to say I’ve been surprised that up to now the Scottish figures have been marginally better than the rest of the UK but it would suggest that the Scottish Govt have been making the best they can from the limited leverage they have. Now, I think the problem is that the economic slide has overwhelmed any leverage that either Westminster or Hollyrood might have.

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:29 AM

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:29 AM

It take it we have crossed the threshold from His Alexness taking all credit, to Westmonster taking all blame. Yaaaaaawn.

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:30 AM

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:30 AM

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:31 AM

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Moniker Lewinsky

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:32 AM

1 Plan B meltdown Cyn? Gideon is trying it now, but being a complete dunce he has left it too late. I am constantly amazed at how he has been this stupid. It’s not as if he was not telt.

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Plan MacBankrupt.

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:32 AM

....And this is after England and Wales implemented swingeing cuts this year, and Edinburgh postponed them so that we can have swingeing cuts x 2, next year.

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wee-scamp

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:36 AM

#20 Do you actually have a copy of that letter? I’ve never seen it.

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:36 AM

13 Moniker Lewinsky: Indeed. Central-government imposed local tax cuts, for the next four years, are fair. Except for those at the bottom of society. I see there are another 25,000 of them. But who cares about society, when there are bribes to make?

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:37 AM

With Alex Salmond at the helm and wish lists the length of Leith Walk, Scotland is headed for another Darien except with worse leadership and poorer planning. Throw in the inevitable excessive taxation of the wealth creators to fund the welfare required to keep the drones onside and Darien will look like a massive success when compared to a separated Scotland.

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Moniker Lewinsky

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:38 AM

23 You are aware the Tory govt are borrowing more than Labour to preside over a country which is beset by riots & strikes? Who have made themselves little Englanders giving up any influence in the EU because they are dunces ? It doesn’t really matter what Eck does the bonkers UK govt are driving the road to independence, Eck might as well have a holiday, he is not required.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:39 AM

Alex under fire !!-------------Its the unionists who got us into this in the first place and its the unionists who are cutting Scotland`s grant .--------------------Alex is not really under fire, that the hootsman`s hyperbole to attack the SNP -----Richard Baker --Who cares.

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:41 AM

25wee-scamp Yes, here is the letter that Salmond sent to Sir Fred................................................................................................................... http://i.imgur.com/Vzgla.jpg

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ATG73

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:41 AM

It would help things alot if we didn’t have half of Eastern Europe and Spain coming here to work. Why in gods name do we let them in if there are no jobs for Scots? Lets get our freedom and get out of the EU

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:41 AM

22 Moniker Lewinsky: He is away to spend people’s pensions on things like trams (plan b).... Obviously, that will create 25,000 jobs in Scotland, pay off the national debt, and lead to long-term economic growth....

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:43 AM

28 Moniker Lewinsky, well he shouldn’t be trying to take any credit for any positive figures which come out then.

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The Answer

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:43 AM

#25....wee-scamp......” Do you actually have a copy of that letter? I’ve never seen it.” http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/919/0103329.pdf

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:43 AM

“Good evening Cynicus. Did you see SNP MSP Joe FitzPatrick on Newsnight?.... babbling on about the unemployment figures from 1999! Jowly Eck will be ensuring he never gets on TV ever againÂ£-#9, Captain Fantastic ______________________________________________________ Good evening, Rufus. I did see it. Gordon Brewer almost split his sides laughing: “So to have to go back to 1999!” and “the unemployed youth of Scotland will draw comfort from your words.” He certainly ripped Fitz a new one.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:44 AM

“Scotland is headed for another Darien”-------It was the london govt who sabotaged that as well.

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:44 AM

“RBS and HBOS are secure well capitalised Scottish institutions” - Alex Salmond days before the British government bail out.

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Moniker Lewinsky

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:44 AM

26 You know fine well I have waxed lyrical against that.

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wee-scamp

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:46 AM

#30 Thanks. Not quite as damning as some have suggested. A simple letter of support and wishing him good luck. Like many Mr Salmond had probably assumed RBS had carried out all the due diligence neccessary and it’s only recently we’ve learnt that wasn’t the case. Goodwin seems to have deceived a lot of people inc the Westminster Govt at the time, the FSA, the BoE and Treasury and of course the shareholders.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Scotland ,the only country to have massive oil reserves and get poorer--How the Norwegians must shake their heads in despair for Scotland

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:47 AM

A Bella Caledonia to all of my readers!!!++ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I wouldn’t trust Fat Sandy to bring home a fish supper!

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:47 AM

36 footdee, navel-gazing nationalist drivel.

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Moniker Lewinsky

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:48 AM

33 I agree, the short termism of politicians is ridiculous. None of them want to admit to the state we are in - including Eck.

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:49 AM

The fact our esteemed economist gambles on horses says all about his fiscal capabilities.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:49 AM

Captain Fantastic Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:43 AM 28 Moniker Lewinsky, well he shouldn’t be trying to take any credit for any positive figures which come out then.”-----------------thats rich coming from you ,the person who claimed positive figures were down to Westminster.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:49 AM

7 wee-scamp Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:17 AM Why exactly is Alex Salmond under fire? People that actually understand how the devolution thing works know full well that the level of real economic levers the Scottish Govt can pull are extremely limited _______________________________________________________ That was equally true two months ago when Jowly Eck was spouting nonsense about Plan MacB. All it has achieved is the deferment of much -needed public sector cuts last year and a higher-than-otherwise loss of jobs this year. it is just as well-is it not?-that the LiberaTory Coalition ignored the economic illiterates of the Scottish Executive.

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wee-scamp

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM

#27 “Throw in the inevitable excessive taxation of the wealth creators to fund the welfare required to keep the drones onside”.... Surely that was Labour policy wasn’t it? Didn’t that also lead to the huge deficit they left behind?

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abner doubleday

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM

#36 a foreign power scuppers another country? Really?

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM

38 Moniker Lewinsky: Well, that is what you regard as the intrinsically fairer nature of a Scotland-only government, in action. The reality probably looks a bit more like Hammersmith & Fulham Council than you would care to note.

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Remember, if you are not a nationalist then you don’t care about Scotland!

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Rob Royston

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Margaret Curran, “Shadow Scottish Secretary”, what the hell is that meant to be? Do we need a Scottish Secretary, never mind a shadow? How many jobs could be created if we got rid of these numpties and their expensive tastes?

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BLOCKEM

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:51 AM

SCOTSMAN, 14 December 2011 “ A GROUP of illegal workers has been caught in raids on beauty salons. Nine people from Vietnam were found employed in branches of USA Nail Bars in Glasgow and Clydebank.” Nine jobs which could have been filled by our own (unemployed) people. Jobs which our own people can’t do won’t do due to sub-standard wages. More Scots on the dole and still Salmond et al continue with their campaign to open up Scotland’s depleted job market to ever increasing assorted migrants. Gawd - just wait to he gets control - his boots goin’ right into the working class.

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:52 AM

46 Cynicus in Exile: Tiresomely boring, isn’t it? I suppose it is far easier than attempting to tackle the root problem, though.

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abner doubleday

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:53 AM

#40 - Pictish oil NOT Scottish - leave the Central Belt to wallow in mad plans such as trams.

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monickar nijinskov sucked me in and spat me out

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:53 AM

A Bella Caledonia to all off my readers!!!------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I wouldn’t trust Fat Sandy von Chuckles to bring home a fish supper from der bier kellar!

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Good old Cyn and the Captain --moan about lack of jobs in Scotland and opposed the one industry that could and will create thousands of jobs --offshore wind

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wee-scamp

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:54 AM

#46 I don’t see the logic of that. It is after all Coalition policies that have led to the situation we’re in now although I would say that given the state of the global economy, the deficit and lack of cooperation from the banks in particular it seems to me that all plans are up against it at the moment.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Captain Fantastic Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:47 AM 36 footdee, navel-gazing nationalist drivel.-----------------Really , regarding navel matters ,the govt of Scotland in london gave orders for the English navy to sabotage Darian ---All water under the bridge now ,but you keep bringing it up so you need to be educated about it.

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:58 AM

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Brit-free

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:59 AM

S NP Slammed......Salmond Rapped......i’ve been away did i miss anything ? .......he’s been rapped more times than enough .....its not so good at the moment because controversial measures are being taken .....i dont agree with the so called Bigot Bill ...and Non Corroboration..lets face it ...makes me squeamish ....if i’m wrong i will admit it ....Sandy has wrongfooted many of us before ....but these are issues that go to the heart of liberty .....y’know ? For Freedom is a Noble Thing , and all that ..colour me ....a bit unsure

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:59 AM

“49 The Tin Man Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM 38 Moniker Lewinsky” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moniker Lewinsky has no sense of its screen name. ML has no issue with a powerful man submitting a young intern to abuse. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C U next Tuesdays! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Experiment 1

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monickar nijinskov sucked me in and spat me out

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:00 AM

“49 The Tin Man Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM 38 Moniker Lewinsky” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moniker Lewinsky has no sense of its screen name. ML has no issue with a powerful man submitting a young intern to abuse. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ C U next Tuesdays! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Experiment 1

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:00 AM

footdee, Norway has a nationalised oil industry, and we don’t, Dumbo.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:00 AM

“5 This withered excuse for legislation was destroyed on TV. Salmond’s SNP has calculated that the Old Firm fans are easy bait.”-#8, Vote ‘NO’ _______________________________________________________ We are not allowed to comment on the latest SNP assault on free speech -the passage into law of Republican Rose’s ludicrous and contemptible bill on offensive behaviour. ____________________________________________________ At Ibrox Stadium a month or two back, members of the “Blue Order” were attacked by the Glasgow polis for waving anti-SNP banners and denouncing Jowly Eck by name. Yesterday, supporters of their great rivals were ejected from The Tally of Bans for wearing T-Shirts with the slogan, “SNP_SHAME ON YOU.” ____________________________________________________ Shame too on the partisan presiding officer-the SNP fanatic, Tricia Marwick. Apparently, T-shirts opposing “Westminster cuts” are kosher but not those opposing the SNP enemies of democracy. The opposition in the Tally of Bans should propose a motion of NO CONFIDENCE on this ridiculous woman. Come back, Gorbals Mick: all is forgiven.

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Charles Linskaill

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:00 AM

And Next in Line,,They will be blaming Alex Salmond for eating all our children’s Lollipops,,,Same Thing!

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:01 AM

“49 The Tin Man Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM 38 Moniker Lewinsky” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moniker Lewinsky has no sense of its screen name. ML has no issue with a powerful man submitting a young intern to abuse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C U next Tuesdays! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Experiment 2

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:01 AM

60Brit-free ....Sandy has wrongfooted many of us before .... =================================================================== Yes indeed he has. The Arc of Prosperity fooled everybody.

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Captain Fantastic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:02 AM

60Brit-free ....Sandy has wrongfooted many of us before .... =================================================================== “RBS and HBOS are secure well capitalised Scottish institutions” - Alex Salmond days before the British government bail out.

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“49 The Tin Man Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM 38 Moniker Lewinsky” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moniker Lewinsky has no sense of its screen name. ML has no issue with a powerful man submitting a young intern to abuse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C U next Tuesdays! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Experiment 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Golli - - - w - o - g - s?

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:06 AM

64 Cynicus in Exile: The Putinisation of Scottish politics continues, unabated. And I doubt that His popularity ratings have peaked, yet. Expect yet more ill thought out knee-jerk authoritarianism. Maybe they should take control of the police.........?

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:07 AM

“There’s nothing we can do really as long as we are locked into the Tory govt in Westminster......”-#13, Moniker Lewinsky _____________________________________________________ But we are not -although we soon might be. DoLiberal turkeys vote for Christmas? _____________________________________________________ Otherwise, your statement was surely equally true a few months back -when bombastic, Blubberchops Eck vaunted his ludicrous “Plan MacB” -with yourself not exactly a prominent dissenter.

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:08 AM

64 Cynicus in Exile: I recommend the redoubtable Lallands Peat Worrier, on the subject.

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Meant T W AT

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:11 AM

“1 Plan B meltdown Cyn? Gideon is trying it now, but being a complete dunce he has left it too late”-#22, Moniker Lewinsky ______________________________________________________ If you are correct, does that explain the turnaround in the EnglandScotland unemployment rates? I have yet to hear Boy George claim the credit fior that.

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:12 AM

“65 Charles Linskaill Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:00 AM And Next in Line,,They will be blaming Alex Salmond for eating all our children’s Lollipops,,,Same Thing!” ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Chick, you are a T W A T !

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Wardog

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:12 AM

69. Crazy fool.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:15 AM

“With Alex Salmond at the helm and wish lists the length of Leith Walk, Scotland is headed for another Darien except with worse leadership and poorer planning.”-#27, Captain Fantastic ______________________________________________________ That is truer than perhaps even you think. But thus far, Darien II (aka ‘Renewables’) has been mainly funded by ENGLISH sources. Should Jowly Eck win his referendum in 2014, who will pick up the tab?

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Brit-free

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:15 AM

Ferk , not Darien .....if you imagine the discovery of Quinine a good century or so earlier ....the sheer brilliance of the idea of the Scottish people to make their one and only venture into mercantile Colonialism settled on the most narrow part of the isthmus that connects the trade of the East with that of the West., cutting out the perilous journey round Cape Horn ......even without the canal the prospects for the establishment of a transfer entrepot should have been great .....alas the Mosquito Coast ....the white mans graveyard .....the role of the undoubtedly perfidious English can be greatly overplayed ....

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Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:17 AM

“13 Moniker Lewinsky: Indeed. Central-government imposed local tax cuts, for the next four years, are fair. Except for those at the bottom of society. I see there are another 25,000 of them. But who cares about society, when there are bribes to make?” ______________________________________________________ Monicker is a House T W AT

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Wardog

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:17 AM

85. That’s right, clearly England alone in the world doesn’t need renewables, you really must take your head out of your backside.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:17 AM

#28 Observer -come on! Let’s have more analysis and fewer slogans from your UNITE crib-sheet.

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Wardog

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:19 AM

86. Yes, perfidious albion and the protestant loyalist unionism at work yet again. Is there no end to the british deceit, will they ever cotton on to why the world hates them?

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:19 AM

73 The Tin Man Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:08 AM 64 Cynicus in Exile: I recommend the redoubtable Lallands Peat Worrier, on the subject ____________________________________________________ I’ve read him -but not on this topic. Thanks for the tip.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:19 AM

Cynicus in Exile Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:15 AM “With Alex Salmond at the helm and wish lists the length of Leith Walk, Scotland is headed for another Darien except with worse leadership and poorer planning.”-#27, Captain Fantastic ______________________________________________________ That is truer than perhaps even you think. But thus far, Darien II (aka ‘Renewables’) has been mainly funded by ENGLISH sources. Should Jowly Eck win his referendum in 2014, who will pick up the tab?”----------------------Private investment from anywhere is welcome ,I think you find most of the investment in Scottish offshore wind are European.

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Wardog

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:20 AM

What’s clear is that the British had a thing for eradicating native tribes by using carpet bombing and death gas. Nice people the British.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:21 AM

71 The Tin Man Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:06 AM 64 Cynicus in Exile: The Putinisation of Scottish politics continues, unabated. _____________________________________________________ Brilliant analogy. I have tended to see Jowly Eck as Tony Blair in trews -but your even more authoritarian image hits the mark better.

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Brit-free

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:22 AM

but we are SURELY NOT discussing it , in relation to anything current ....are we ? ......i cant be bothered to look .....Who thought That was a good idea ......? ......Scottish History around that time is a slippery crittur .....bought and sold .....right enough ....if it had worked ...if pots and pans

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:24 AM

96 footdee Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:19 AM Cynicus in Exile Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:15 AM “With Alex Salmond at the helm and wish lists the length of Leith Walk, Scotland is headed for another Darien except with worse leadership and poorer planning.”-#27, Captain Fantastic ______________________________________________________ That is truer than perhaps even you think. But thus far, Darien II (aka ‘Renewables’) has been mainly funded by ENGLISH sources. Should Jowly Eck win his referendum in 2014, who will pick up the tab?”----------------------Private investment from anywhere is welcome ,I think you find most of the investment in Scottish offshore wind are European. ____________________________________________________ That “private investment” is shovelling (largely English) taxpayer’s subsidies into the pockets of these “investors.”

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Wardog

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:24 AM

98. Your foaming.

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:26 AM

Alex Salmond under fire again? He must have spent the past seven months in Palestine! Oh but those shooting at the first minister should get their sights checked as Labour’s shadow Scottish secretary, Margaret Curran said Alex Salmond likes to claim credit when things go well, so he must now accept responsibility. Something Labour would never do!!! The 750,000 public sector jobs lost in the past year will be welcoming the loony Labour and Britnutter Scotsman attacks on Scottish governance! We are all in this together and together we are stronger was the cry of the British Nationalist ultra-right Mrs Curran as the SNP protect Scottish businesses, jobs and industries from Loony Labour’s Tory allies.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:27 AM

Captain Fantastic Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:00 AM footdee, Norway has a nationalised oil industry, and we don’t, Dumbo-------------------------Norway still collects oil taxes Dumbo ---And your wrong not all the oil producers in the Norwegian sector are nationised most of them are private companies.Dumbo.

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:28 AM

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:29 AM

“86. Yes, perfidious albion and the protestant loyalist unionism at work yet again......”-#94, Wardog ______________________________________________________ AKA, the Scots-Irish. Currently in hreipt of massive bungs from Westminster for “Ullans” (=ULster LalLANS) as a quid pro quo for the funding of Gaelige (Irish Gaelic). What have you against your ethnic cousins, Muttley?

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:29 AM

98 Cynicus in Exile: I actually find the analogy very uncomfortably close to the truth. The real parallels are not quite of the liberal Scandinavian society type, but lie on the other side of the Baltic. On a ‘lighter’ note, at least the comparison ends with said Nationalistic Authority Figure riding a horse bare-chested across a river.

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Wardog

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:29 AM

Jimmy Murphy is very quiet of late.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:32 AM

Cynicus in Exile Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:24 AM 96 footdee Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:19 AM Cynicus in Exile Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:15 AM “With Alex Salmond at the helm and wish lists the length of Leith Walk, Scotland is headed for another Darien except with worse leadership and poorer planning.”-#27, Captain Fantastic ______________________________________________________ That is truer than perhaps even you think. But thus far, Darien II (aka ‘Renewables’) has been mainly funded by ENGLISH sources. Should Jowly Eck win his referendum in 2014, who will pick up the tab?”----------------------Private investment from anywhere is welcome ,I think you find most of the investment in Scottish offshore wind are European. ____________________________________________________ That “private investment” is shovelling (largely English) taxpayer’s subsidies into the pockets of these “investors.” ---------------------------------------------Cyn your raving tonight --pray tell what English tax payers money has been spent on offshore wind -----The Scottish govt has spent money but not much on fesability studies

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Wardog

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:32 AM

105. Please put down the bottle of cheap wine.

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Wardog

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:33 AM

106. You obnoxious little man.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:34 AM

The Tin Man Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:29 AM 98 Cynicus in Exile: I actually find the analogy very uncomfortably close to the truth. The real parallels are not quite of the liberal Scandinavian society type, but lie on the other side of the Baltic. On a ‘lighter’ note, at least the comparison ends with said Nationalistic Authority Figure riding a horse bare-chested across a river.”------------------stop flogging what was a dead horse to begin with , leave it to the Scotman to make up anti SNP stories.

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Brit-free

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:35 AM

Putinisation ? ....what vivid imaginations the unionists have .....the Salmond Youth Movement are breaking up pro unionist demonstrations ...and the state sponsored Press check their copy with him before the presses roll ......his cronies murder their business rivals , and the courts are used to jail Billionaires in a Quasi Judicial theft of their assets ......in this alternate Salmond dominated political process Television stations owned by Sandys closest allies broadcast endless puff pieces of the slim muscle toned middle aged Eck riding horses through the rugged Glens of the far West .......do you people never catch on to yourselves ? you are more then half daft

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:36 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. He should stop mass debating before he goes blind.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:36 AM

88 Wardog Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:17 AM 85. That’s right, clearly England alone in the world doesn’t need renewables, you really must take your head out of your backside. ______________________________________________________ This time next YEAR nobody will need them when Kyoto expires. Canada has jumped ship a year early. Under economic pressure EVERY western power will follow, And Jowly Eck will bequeath to Scotland a pollution legacy of THOUSANDS of paint-flecked, rusting turbines -every one as ugly as the Red Road Flats in your city, ____________________________________________________ Jowly Eck: the Queenberry of our times-bought and sold for English Renewables Obligations Certificates. The SNP -a parcel o rogues.

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:37 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. Economists have failed the World. He should stop mass debating before he goes blind.

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:37 AM

Has cannabis been legalised for the Unionist contributors? Or is there something nefarious drifting across from Europe? As all this nonsense about Salmond whilst Whitehall London has closed 750,000 public sector jobs in nine months just supports the cause for Home Rule. I would say the case for independence is well made by David Cameron’s claim that no central body in a foreign country should run our economy. That includes England. Thanks Dave Boy.

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:38 AM

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:39 AM

98 Cynicus in Exile: His Tonyness was head of a party that had real internal dissent. I think that by framing everything (and I mean everything) in patriotic nationalistic sentiments, complete with the ‘foreign ogre’ element, the presentation is a lot more slavic than blairspeak.

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:40 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. ______________________________________________________ Economists have failed the World. ______________________________________________________-- He should stop mass debating before he goes blind. ______________________________________________________

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:40 AM

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:40 AM

Captain Fantastic Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:01 AM 60Brit-free ....Sandy has wrongfooted many of us before .... =================================================================== Yes indeed he has. The Arc of Prosperity fooled everybody.--------------------------------Except Norway Denmark ,Sweden , Finland.

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:41 AM

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:42 AM

43 Moniker Lewinsky Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:48 AM 33 I agree, the short termism of politicians is ridiculous. None of them want to admit to the state we are in - including Eck. _____________________________________________________ “Joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth.” CyberNATS take note.

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:42 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. ______________________________________________________ Economists have failed the World. ______________________________________________________?? He should stop mass debating before he goes blind. ______________________________________________________

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:43 AM

Blockhead said ----------- “Nine jobs which could have been filled by our own (unemployed) people. Jobs which our own people can’t do won’t do due to sub-standard wages. More Scots on the dole and still Salmond et al continue with their campaign to open up Scotland’s depleted job market to ever increasing assorted migrants. Gawd - just wait to he gets control - his boots goin’ right into the working class. “----------------typocal racist British nationalist.

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:44 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. ______________________________________________________ ______ He idolised Fred the Bed -wetter ________________________________________________ Economists have failed the World. ______________________________________________________-- He should stop mass debating before he goes blind. ______________________________________________________

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:44 AM

118 The Tin Man Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:39 AM 98 Cynicus in Exile: His Tonyness was head of a party that had real internal dissent _____________________________________________________ That is CORRECT _____________________________________________________ The democratic credentials of the SNP will be robustly confirmed ONLY when a backbencher votes against the Jowly Eck line.

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:45 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. ______________________________________________________ Economists have failed the World. ______________________________________________________ He should stop mass debating before he goes blind. ______________________________________________________

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:46 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. ______________________________________________________ Economists have failed the World. ______________________________________________________- He should stop mass debating before he goes blind. ______________________________________________________

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:47 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. ______________________________________________________ Economists have failed the World. _______________________________________________________ He should stop mass debating before he goes blind. ______________________________________________________

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:47 AM

Cynicus in Exile Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:42 AM 43 Moniker Lewinsky Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:48 AM 33 I agree, the short termism of politicians is ridiculous. None of them want to admit to the state we are in - including Eck. _____________________________________________________ “Joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth.” CyberNATS take note.”-----------------------------lots of policians know the state Britain is in thats why Westminster is desperate to hang on to Scottish oil its the only reserves since Broon selt off the gold that britain has.

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:49 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. ______________________________________________________ Economists have failed the World. _______________________________________________________ He should stop mass debating before he goes blind. ______________________________________________________ SCORE! ______________________________________________________ GIRUY!

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:51 AM

Looks like the anti Scotland unionist nutters have gone to bed --except for Cyn ,he`l be up all night raving away.

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:52 AM

Lol. The campaign against Scottish independence descended into farce as former Labour MSP, Lord George Foulkes split from his party leaders and lodged an amendment to the Scotland Bill calling for full financial autonomy for Scotland. Now I see what all the Loony BritNutter desperation to keep Scotland chained to England’s phony Union construct is about.

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Brit-free

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:52 AM

....Sandy has wrongfooted many of us before ......well we are all gradualists now ......was what i meant ......but you really cant win , if you agree with the S N P 100 % you are a Cyber-Nut .....if you admit to doubts you are in some way justifying the frankly daft analysis of the pure mentalists like Doofer or Capn Troll or Tartanslot .....thats why honest debate is impossible on this site when the house trolls are taking a tanking ...they send in the off the wall fakeys like Rodger and Monika Medication Required to mess up the thread ....i’m real at least ....

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:52 AM

56 footdee Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:53 AM Good old Cyn and the Captain --moan about lack of jobs in Scotland and opposed the one industry that could and will create thousands of jobs --offshore wind ____________________________________________________ You know nothing about this. It is the uglification of Scotland for no gain whatever. This “industry” will die much sooner yt=than you think. England will not keep on subsidising it EVEN with Scotland in the union. When Kyoto dies next year, demands to save the Â£BILLIONS earmarked for reducing CO2 emissions will die with it. AND even if the dodgy hypothesis of catastrophic man-made global warming hirples on with a half-life of a few more years..

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:53 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. ______________________________________________________ Economists have failed the World. _______________________________________________________ He should stop mass debating before he goes blind. ______________________________________________________ SCORE! ______________________________________________________ GIRUY! Good evening, Electric Spermit!

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:54 AM

“Britain is in thats why Westminster is desperate to hang on to Scottish oil its the only reserves since Broon selt off the gold that britain has.”-#131, footdee _______________________________________________________ And Scottish Wind?

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Roger the Dodger

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:54 AM

Salmond is a failed former “oil economist” with the rancid RBS Group. ______________________________________________________ Economists have failed the World. _______________________________________________________ He should stop mass debating before he goes blind. ______________________________________________________ SCORE! ______________________________________________________ GIRUY! Good evening, fingerdon!

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:01 AM

Cynicus in Exile Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:54 AM “Britain is in thats why Westminster is desperate to hang on to Scottish oil its the only reserves since Broon selt off the gold that britain has.”-#131, footdee _______________________________________________________ And Scottish Wind?----------------------------------Quite a quarter of the wind power in Europe worth hanging on to.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:03 AM

Cynicus in Exile Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 01:52 AM 56 footdee Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:53 AM Good old Cyn and the Captain --moan about lack of jobs in Scotland and opposed the one industry that could and will create thousands of jobs --offshore wind ____________________________________________________ You know nothing about this. It is the uglification of Scotland for no gain whatever.”--------------------------------its off shore wind.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:03 AM

#106, The Tin Man ______________________________________________________ “Cynicus in Exile: I actually find the analogy very uncomfortably close to the truth. The real parallels are not quite of the liberal Scandinavian society type, but lie on the other side of the Baltic. On a ‘lighter’ note, at least the comparison ends with said Nationalistic Authority Figure riding a horse bare-chested across a river.” ____________________________________________________ Pity! Maybe we can arrange for him to be booed at a wrestling match. If he ever attends an Old Firm match nobody will have to arrange anything. He can expect the Red Card treatment once delivered to Margaret Thatcher. ____________________________________________________ Sweet dreams, cyberNATS.With Old Firm fans, Jowly Eck is now as popular as the Iron Lady!

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:03 AM

David Cameron’s decision to take the UK out of Europe will take Scotland out of the UK. The Prime Minister’s use of the veto against the EU treaty on budgetary reform looks like the game-changer that the SNP leader Alex Salmond has been waiting for. Attachment to the Union in Scotland is likely to evaporate as Scots realise that they have become an appendage to an essentially isolationist England with a sceptic media saturated with an ugly chauvinism.

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BillDunblane

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:05 AM

Ye’ve gotta think that if ye were a floating voter what would you make of these idiots. If they only had the sense to understand they are doing our job for us. Going to the Independent for some reasoned debate.

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:05 AM

The SNP has suffered greatly in the past from accusations that it is a “separatist” party, seeking selfishly to divide the UK, and pit nation against nation. But who are the separatists now?

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:05 AM

The SNP has suffered greatly in the past from accusations that it is a “separatist” party, seeking selfishly to divide the UK, and pit nation against nation. But who are the separatists now?

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:05 AM

“You know nothing about this. It is the uglification of Scotland for no gain whatever.”--------------------------------its off shore wind”-#141, footdee ______________________________________________________ I know. It is the uglification of Scotland, Ask Donald Trump.

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:05 AM

The SNP has suffered greatly in the past from accusations that it is a “separatist” party, seeking selfishly to divide the UK, and pit nation against nation. But who are the separatists now?

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:06 AM

Senior figures within Scottish Labour have already called on the party to embrace the so called Devo-Max option that would see all powers beyond foreign affairs and defence move to Scotland. Both Malcolm Chisholm and former First Minister Henry McLeish believe the party must adapt to the changes currently taking place in Scotland following the SNP’s historic victory in May.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:06 AM

#146, Spammy fae the West _______________________________________________________ Yes -you spammed that yesterday as well. Or was that the Torygraph?

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BillDunblane

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:07 AM

I should add: With apologies to the real people.

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:09 AM

Last November LibDummie MSP Liam McArthur said: “The Scotland Bill provides an excellent opportunity for our coastal communities and our aquaculture and our marine renewable energy industries. The UK Government should review the Crown Estate’s role in Scotland and look at using the Bill to devolve powers to the SNP government and control over the seabed.”

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brianwci

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:10 AM

Alex Salmond Under Fire. The UK is experiencing its highest unemployment figures in 17 years and Alex is under fire? The Scottish Government’s funding from London has been severely cut and Alex Salmond is under fire? Scottish Oil and Gas money funds the London Olympics, Cross Rail and a myriad of other London and S.E. England projects and Alex Salmond is under fire. The SNP Government has had an excellent record on reducing unemployment and creating employment since May and because of one not so good month which shows Scotland slipping .2% behind the UK and suddenly Alex is under fire. But when the English Government or Bank of Englnad have to revise their figures downwards or upwards whichever is worse, nobody blinks an eye, e.g. BoE says inflation will be kept at or below 2%. Recent cheering showed it slip below FIVE percent the other day, below being 4.8% i.e. .2%. No wonder Scots are sick f their own media and looking increasingly towards Independence.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:11 AM

‘And Scottish Wind?----------------------------------Quite a quarter of the wind power in Europe worth hanging on to.’-#140, footdee _______________________________________________________ The Chinese have a quarter of the world’s excrement. Is that worth hanging on -to? Biomass? ______________________________________________________ The trouble with wind as an energy source is we CAN’T hold on to it. It is intermittent, unreliable, delivers NO electricity when the wind doesn’t blow and none when it blows too hard. It can even set wind turbines on fire.

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:12 AM

Cynicus in Exile Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:05 AM “You know nothing about this. It is the uglification of Scotland for no gain whatever.”--------------------------------its off shore wind”-#141, footdee ______________________________________________________ I know. It is the uglification of Scotland, Ask Donald Trump.---------------Donald is complaining about a small near shore experimental wind farm in Aberdeen bay paid for by Europe ,the ones your going on and on about wont be seen from the shore.------------------------Donald Trump invests a $1b in Scotland ,the English govt cuts £3b of Scottish money and the unionists critise Donald---Whats that all about?

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:15 AM

Cyn at 154-------what on earth are you raving about?

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:16 AM

150 Cynicus in Exile Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:06 AM #146, Spammy fae the West _______________________________________________________ Yes -you spammed that yesterday as well. Or was that the Torygraph? ______________________________________________________ Surely, you can’t have something against your main BritNutterNutter allies the TorieLibDummiee and advisment! Lib Dummie MP Michael Moore has been challenged over claims he made in the House of Commons Scottish Affairs Committee that control of the Crown Estate would not be devolved to Scotland despite these being under review, debate and advisement.

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Cynicus in Exile

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:16 AM

“Looks like the anti Scotland unionist nutters have gone to bed --except for Cyn ,he`l be up all night raving away.”-#133, footdee _______________________________________________________ I regard it as a matter of courtesy to reply to posters who address me. But I’ve now shot my bolt. Oidhche Mhath, leibh. (Agus thusa cuideach, a’ Fhootee).

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footdee

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:19 AM

Cyn says ---------”Sweet dreams, cyberNATS.With Old Firm fans, Jowly Eck is now as popular as the Iron Lady!”-----------------your hatred has made you sink so low as to make you an apologist for sectarianism.

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 02:53 AM

154 Cynicus in Exile ---The trouble with wind as an energy source is we CAN’T hold on to it. It is intermittent, unreliable, delivers NO electricity when the wind doesn’t blow and none when it blows too hard. It can even set wind turbines on fire. ______________________________________________________ Typical Unionist clap-trap. Only a Lib Dummie supporter could neglect to mention that these turbines damaged in Scotland’s plentiful wind were incomplete and unfinished. Anyhooo, Loony Labour’s Welsh FM claims David Cameron’s decision to walk out of talks on the European treaty has helped the SNP case for Scottish independence. Labour’s Diane Abbott has called for the SNP’s minimum alcohol Pricing to become Labour policy. Many Labour twits have called for devolution Max-Indy Lite to become Labour policy and another unelected London regime looks near to collapse in disgrace.

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Jimmy fae the West

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 03:11 AM

Constitutional experts on English Broadcasting actors channel claimed tonight that this will be the year that Britain will be seen as breaking up! Cameron’s confused anti-Unionist strop and the impossible majority in Holyrood for Scotland’s anti-Unionist party. which broke the Unionist system to thwart democracy. I disagree. RIP UK 1707-2007.

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Arthur G

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 05:04 AM

Memo to The Hootsmon: No one is listening any more....

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Hector the Lessor

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 05:58 AM

Well the obvious answer is to vote for Independence, then you can really blame Alex Salmond for the setbacks Scotland is experiencing at present. Until then you may have to accept that the problems are generally caused by bad decisions by political parties over the decades since 1980. If you are really keen on supporting Labour, move to Australia. Queensland is dead keen on encouraging Labour supporters to move to their state. It is most likely bankrupt as well, but what the heck, you will be among friends.

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 06:23 AM

Good point about Kyoto Cynicus.Here’s what the Canadian Prime Minister had to say...”âœKyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.â.....âœAs economic policy, the Kyoto Accord is a disaster. As environmental policy it is a fraudâ....”....âœThis may be a lot of fun for a few scientific and environmental elites in Ottawa, but ordinary Canadians from coast to coast will not put up with what this will do to their economy and lifestyleâ..........I’m liking the Canadian PM.

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Tarheel Chief

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 06:32 AM

This is great news for Canada, Australia,South America,the US. All these nations have benefitted from these talented,industrious and good looking emigrants from Scotland.

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bridgetthecat

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 06:32 AM

This is just another reason for the English to vote for Independence.

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Stewart_in_Oz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 06:57 AM

#163 Hector. Here in Queensland we have enough intellectually challenged Labour supporters without an influx from down south. The current mood seems to support the concept of getting rid of AB and her bunch of cronies before the foul-up for anther term. We can only hope that Can-Do will do or Bob K stirs the possum enough to make a dent. Where is ‘Please Explain’ when you need her?

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shrek4

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 06:59 AM

As always, labour are innocent.

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Family guy

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:18 AM

Just to add clarity to the dreadful spin on this article, and I would do the same for any party in power except the Tories, is that the rise is the result of the findings of French company Atos who were employed by Cameron to do the medical assessment for the long term sick. Atos are under fire for inaccuracies of up to 40% of their assessment. However, whilst appeals are being processed, the figures now show many long term sick “fit for work” meaning a change in unemployment status and thus thousands of people now appearing on lists that they didn’t appear on before. Before it is said by others, these people may or may not be “scroungers” or “workshy” but they happily existed off the radar for many years - it is only now the finger is being pointed because of the findings of a rather discredited company called Atos.

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vistaero

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:26 AM

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Vote ‘NO’

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:32 AM

What say it about those who defend Salmond’s lamentable stewardship of the economy?

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Ronnie Ray

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:38 AM

shame on you scotsman for allowing comments like this #170......I think using the word nazi to describe alex salmond is outrageous and the comment should be removed!

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Christian Wright

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:41 AM

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grahamski

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:50 AM

Of course this has very little to do with the SNP. The only reason Mr Salmond is being pilloried over rising unemployment figures is because he couldn’t resist taking the credit when they were dropping. You’d need a heart of stone not to laugh in his face....

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Family guy

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:52 AM

174 - Who has it to do with, as a matter of interest? I’m asking so you can offer clsure to your comment so the rest of us can discuss the real root cause of these figures.

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well informed

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:55 AM

This garbage isnt a headline its a party political broadcast on behalf of the fascist Westminster unionist coalition. This UK WIDE unemployment catastrophe is a direct result of right wing fascist Westminster dogma ideology and policy! The fact that this bog roll wishes to pin this down to yet another SNP under fire accused story is more of a reflection on their own inablity to act as a real newspaper than the any perceived reflection on the Scot Govt. This rag gets more pathetic by the day. It makes you wonder who is bankrolling it in order for it to run as a party political propaganda pamphlet in spite of its drastic fall in sales.

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Auld Twa

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:57 AM

Scottish Government policy has held off the rise in unemployment but cannot continue forever in the face of Westminster cuts.

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tested

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 07:58 AM

The westminster government want to cover Scotland in windmills in order that the UK meets its renewables targets. In answer to questions about costs and impact on tourism they state that this will be offset by thousands of new jobs and the scrapping of nuclear power stations in Scotland. Ohh wait - for westminster government read SNP - same outcome. Once again Scotland has been sold down the river by our leaders making deals with London to benefit themselves.

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well informed

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:00 AM

174 But Scot Govt policy did cause them to drop! and as youve stated its Westminster policy thats causing them to go up again. Had there been a Liebour Govt in power at Hollyrood we wouldnt have even got the drop in unemployment so this rise wouldnt have made headlines. It would be regarded as business as usual under Liebour.

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McNasty

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:01 AM

Sorry Tom Peterkin, this article is absolute drivel.

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well informed

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:02 AM

178 Moron Westminster wants Scotland to be a nuke waste dumping ground the SNP favour renewable energy sourses. I dont see the grounds for cooperation on the matter and neither can anybody but morons like you its seems. Or are you just lying your ar*e off as usual?

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Exiled Leither

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:05 AM

footdee Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 12:47 AM Scotland ,the only country to have massive oil reserves and get poorer--How the Norwegians must shake their heads in despair for Scotland .........Yeah cos the citizens of Angola, Equitorial Guinea, Nigeria, India, Mauritania, Venezuela etc are all getting rich off their oil! Get back to reality you fool. Scotland is a first world nation. We are not worse off for being in a union with England and we are not oppressed. Got to Malabo if you want to find out about oppresion. Sunday Mornings are good, thats when Obiang shoots his oponents on the cliff top above the harbour.

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well informed

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:05 AM

“Scottish Secretary Michael Moore said there was âœno hiding the factâ the figures were disappointing.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UK UNEMPLOYMENT figures the worst is decades is due to the UK GOVERNMENT not the Scot Govt!

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well informed

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:12 AM

182 Maybe not in your fantasy palace. Do you honestly think the countries you listed would be better off if they had to give their oil revenues to their nearest neighbours??? you utter idiot!

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well informed

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:12 AM

182 UK Govts do all their murdering abroad thats the only difference between them! Moron!

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Rocabarraigh

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:13 AM

Scotland Act 1998:The UK Parliament continues to legislate for Scotland on reserved matters. Reserved issues include........fiscal, economic and monetary System........common markets........employment legislation........trade and industry etc

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greenfox

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:14 AM

seriously & to be fair to Alex Salmond there’s nothing he can do about the current trend in unemployment -lets see, we could blame the bankers; the economy ; the credit crunch the recession, the CUTS or all of the above. -------------------------------------------------Mr Salmond can do nothing about the mess of unemployment & cannot fix it and it will get worse especially in Scotland. Structural unemployment demands that jobs are shed ...in time this will help to balance out the economy. Scotland would take a serious hit no matter who’s in charge & i think everyone knows this.

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Exiled Leither

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:15 AM

John Swinney is cutting harder and faster than Osbourne so you cant blame London for all the cuts in Scotland. Salmond should learn to step back and appraise the situation before shouting about something. He done the same this week about Europe and yet now(as I predicted) many other EU nations are coming out as opposed to the Merkozy plan. Even Merkel is stating desperately that the UK wont be isolated as she sees the folly of the French dwarfs statements since we are bigger benefactors to the EU than France. Sarkozy should visit St Helena to find out what happened the last time a French Dwarf tried to take control of europe and Salmond should take Sarkozy’s downfall as a lesson in keeping your mouth shut.

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Exiled Leither

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:16 AM

Well Informed......When did the UK give any of her oil to France? (our neerest neighbour). You utter fool!

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Electric Helmet

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:17 AM

Shrek strikes again!!! Congratulations Eck, the Scottish people salute your wisdom and guile.

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tested

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:20 AM

#181 Well Informed? The fact that you have to revert to abuse speaks volumes. Anyone with a solid reasonable arguement doesn’t have to resort to name calling thereore your arguements are neither solid nor reasonable simple party political dogma. Long before the SNP jumped on the renewables bandwagon the unionist parties were happy to push windmills on the scottish people. Why wouldn’t they? It allows them to meet their agreed targets while upsetting as few of their voters in england as possible. Why are the SNP unconcerned about future subsidies for renewables? Why are they so certain that there will be no new nuclear stations built in Scotland? How do they know that they will have a guaranteed market for renewable electricity in england? Why are the power companies happy to keep investing in Scotland even though full independence could see their subsidies drying up? Why push renewables in Scotland instead of oil which has a proven track record and looks to be heading for at least another 40 years production? Answer those and please try to do it with resorting to your usual foul mouthed vernacular you really aren’t a good advert for SNP supporters.

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scotbt

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:22 AM

This is what salmond and his ill equiped cronies should be concentrating on not forcing throughh bills which are already covered by existing laws. You can fool some of the people etc etc

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Wardog

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:23 AM

The UK wants to drain Scottish oil reserves and oppress her people. We are the last colony.

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Family guy

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:23 AM

188 - This is the difference between Swinnys position and Osbornes. Osborne can borrow money. Swinny gets a reducing amount of block grant from Osborne and cannot borrow. I look forward to your comment upon this situation.

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mahatmacoat

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:23 AM

The SNP isn’t working, will the last person to leave Scotland, turn-off the lights?

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Exiled Leither

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:30 AM

Wardog,,,,,Since Scotland is one of the Kingdoms which are united to make up the UK and therfore there is no UK without Scotland. How are we a colony of the UK? How can we colonise ourselves? Sorry to disapoint you but WE are the UK you despise so much in other words you hate us. You hate Scotland as Scotland IS the UK.

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vistaero

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:31 AM

Ms McKieâ™s father, Iain, who has campaigned on her behalf, welcomed the âœfirst time someone has said sorryâ, but suggested there may be mistakes in other cases which have been âœlying undiscoveredâ. Justice secretary Kenny MAcAskill said the McKie case had âœcast a shadow of uncertainty and suspicionâ over the criminal justice system,. Scotland’s Criminal and Civil Legal System is totally Corrupt, The European Court warned Scotland years ago about people taken into Custody not having a Legal Representative present when they were being Interviewed, Scotland then assured the European Court that they would make sure all persons taken into Custody would have Legal representation. But our Nazi Corrupt ACPO and our Corrupt Nazi Chief Constables would not allow this, and so we are again in another QUGMIRE of injustices in our Corrupt Scottish Courts, that should have seen that we were not Breaching Peoples Human Rights, but Scotland is not signed up to Human Rights, because Scotland’s Corrupt Legal System failed to have the Human Rights Legislation incorporated in the Scotland Act, More Scottish Legal and Judicial Corruption, and what was our Sheriffs and Judges doing while this was going on, They had their heads firmly embedded in Sand, a lot of incompetent FOOLS, blindly ignoring Human Rights Laws. . And an apology this corrupt Scottish Government thinks is in Order, An apology does not rectify the mistakes, an apology to Charles De Menezes does not bring him back to life, an apology to Mr Tomlinson does not bring him back to life, so if a Police Officer is murdered will an apology from the killer make everything OK.

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:37 AM

188 - Exiled - “. He done the same this week about Europe and yet now(as I predicted) many other EU nations are coming out as opposed to the Merkozy plan. Even Merkel is stating desperately that the UK wont be isolated as she sees the folly of the French dwarfs statements since we are bigger benefactors to the EU than France”............How very true. I cannot believe how someone as canny as Salmond dived in with both feet first to tear into Cameron when a.) The majority of Scots backed Cameron’s actions and b.) Merkel herself has said the UK won’t be isolated. Merkel knows how much the EU needs the UK. Sarkozy has elections coming up and the Tobin tax was his brainwave which will go down well in France but has now left Sarkozy looking like at utter fool.

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Finnzz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:40 AM

The Scottish Government has so far been able to counter the effects of labours past financial incompetence, the present Tory ineptitude and the LibDem betrayal, but it looks like the strangulation of funding from Westminster is now having an effect.

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:40 AM

196 - Exiled, Dog Breath isn’t the brightest bulb in the pack. He claims to be a university lecturer yet still cannot differentiate between “your” and “you’re or you are”. Talk about being a Walter Mitty.

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:41 AM

199 - Why are you on here whingeing then? Lobby Salmond to hold his referendum now then. Plan McB. Oh deary me.

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Exiled Leither

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:44 AM

Douglas Bader......I think a lot of the Cybernats are Walts.

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Ancient Wisdom

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:45 AM

The Fat Controller could think about how to create jobs by designing, building and selling submarine turbines to the world.It’s time the SNP set about export-job creation and leading by example, rather than sitting back and blaming everyone else.

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Indy

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:46 AM

These are Tory cuts built on Labours mismanagement. NEXT TIME we have to support SNP at all elections. Labour are going to support the Scotland Bill which will result in a cut in what Scotland has to finance all our needs. When it is implemented we will see that Labour are not serving Scotland -- and the Figures will be in the public domain not lost in the Treasury where excuses can be made.

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peterhunt1000

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:53 AM

Socialist Scotland, and the Fat boy has no clue. He should table the referendum, put it to voters and let Socialist Scotland go! Merkel and Sarko are waiting as they will take Scotland into Eurozone. No EFTA like Norway they said. Scotland’s budget will be scrutinised, and freebees reduced by MerKel and Sarco. If the Fat boy protests, he will be replaced. just as they did in Greece and Italy..

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Mercutio

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 08:57 AM

âœThe term of office of the previous CEA(Council of Economic Advisers) ended at the election, the new CEA membership was announced by the First Minister last month and will meet for the first time next month.â======================================== I see Mr Salmond has now dispensed with the services of Sir George Mathewson on his much vaunted Council which has not met since September 2010.

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Mikey von Ruden

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:00 AM

Come on Mr. Peterkin... Shouldn’t you be concocting this misleading, uninformed, inaccurate & puerile anti Scottish Government propaganda a bit closer to the independence referendum date?

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Hearthammer

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:10 AM

#193, we certainly are! The unionists are kakking themselves as they can see that the UK is going down the tunes and will disappear completely once Scotland leaves. The facts are irrefutable. The Euro is in crisis but it’s still a stronger currency than Sterling. Time to leave before the right wingers reduce us to the level of Albania! ===========================Everyone but the unionist rabble knows when the referendum will be, so let’s work together to produce a “yes” that will be unchallengable! The unionists have had their day. It’s now time for them to leave Scotland to those who WANT to be Scots and not some Brit mongrel! Independence will be along in a tick!

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The Tin Man

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:12 AM

I see that Iain MacWhirter has ripped a new one the size of a windsock for every single SNP MSP, without any exceptions. The Putinisation of Scottish politics continues, unabated.... http:www.heraldscotland.comcommentcolumniststhis-dumb-unjust-law-is-salmonds-first-own-goal.16167952

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Sumlogic

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:21 AM

Hang on a minute Scotsman, how come when unemployment was not rising as fast as the rest of the UK you moaned and lambasted the SNP and Alex, and now unemployment seems to be rising faster you moan at the SNP, is there pattern here! ----------------------------------------Let’s get to the crux of the matter, Massive, historic Westminster cuts designed by Labore chancellor to try and fix a decade of financial mismanagement and a financial sector allowed to run amok, enforced and expanded with zeal by a Tory Fibdem coalition government, a Global financial downturn, an on-going financial crisis in Eurozone and finally the continual refusal to grant the Scottish government the needed fiscal powers to act fully in these matters would be a better descriptor of the cause of the bleak months ahead for many unemployed in Scotland. ------------------This must be that Union dividend at work again!

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Blantyre Bill

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:24 AM

As usual, SNIP will refuse to accept any responsibility for this even although they have been the governrnent for 5 years. Will they continue to demand that the rest of the UK follow their successfull Plan McB ?

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Finnzz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:26 AM

#201 I’m afraid the ‘whinging’ copyright is presently held by the Unionistas. And why would Salmond hold a referendum now with polled support not yet over 50%. Plonker!!

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Blantyre Bill

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:26 AM

208 Hearthammer - As the date for the proposed referendum has not been announced, nobody knows exactly when it will be held. Only a vague timeframe has been announced.

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:28 AM

“The unemployment rate in Scotland rose dramatically, from 7.5 per cent to 8.5 per cent in three months, and is now greater than the 8.3 per cent rate recorded for the UK.” ------------------- Not good news. To be honest, there is no one particular party, or parliament, or reason, that can be solely blamed for the rise in unemployment (or indeed any fall in unemployment). But, as the SNP fanatics were falling over themselves to solely praise Salmond and the SNP when Scotland’s unemployment rate was less than England’s (‘well done SNP’ etc etc), it logically follows that they will be criticising the SNP for this increase in unemployment. Unless they are hypocrites?

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samcoldstream

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:29 AM

Economists are claiming that the Eurozone AND the UK will slip into a “mild winter recession” before things start to improve next summer. You can expect even more unemployed throughout the UK.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:31 AM

As long as the panda handlers, mike russell’s wife and kenny mccaskills brother are sorted who cares.

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brownlie

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:34 AM

211 Blantyre Bill --------------------------------------- How successful are the UK’s government’s plans to tackle unemployment - after all they hold all the purse-strings?

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brownlie

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:36 AM

214 independence now----------------------Good morning, quite so but it could be argued that the unemployment figures could be a lot worse if it were not for the SNP?

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:38 AM

217 brownlie ==================================================== it must be galling when your heroes let you down so badly.....has the penny dropped yet that the snp are just another bunch of liars and thiefs.

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Banana Heid

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:40 AM

All I know is I was made redundant by an english company who moved my job to Manchester and deleted the whole Scottish department. I’m confident this is happening with many corporates who are protecting their Engerlish brethren at the expense of the scots.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:42 AM

220 Banana Heid ==================================================== Which company is that and we can all complain to the relevant people on your behalf.........................

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Brit-free

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:43 AM

what a lot of trolls have been on this thrread since last night ....well i say , what a lot .......ts really about two guys ...backing up their own comments under multiple sign ins , and when that doesnt work they send in the shrieking fakeys , constantly posting the same mentalism over and over

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:44 AM

#210 “Hang on a minute Scotsman, how come when unemployment was not rising as fast as the rest of the UK you moaned and lambasted the SNP and Alex, and now unemployment seems to be rising faster you moan at the SNP” ------------------- How come when unemployment was not rising as fast as the rest of the UK you and your fellow SNP fanatics lavished all the praise on the SNP, but now unemployment seems to be rising faster you exclude the SNP totally from any blame and lump it all on Westminster? That doesn’t logically make sense does it.

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brownlie

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:44 AM

219 Heinz---------------------------- My only “heroes” are the Hibs team and you’re quite right - they have let me down for years. Incidentally are you Heinz because you’ve got 57 varieties of user-names?

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:44 AM

If every MSP took a £10k pay cut they could set an example and provide finance for 129 apprenticeships. Lead by example you simpletons.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:45 AM

224 brownlie no my mum was a gestapo agent.

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:46 AM

#222 “what a lot of trolls have been on this thrread since last night” ------------------- Talking of trolls, have you managed to find even one single solitary shred of evidence to back up your claim that I don’t support independence yet? If you haven’t we can only assume that you are lying, and that you are making those claims either to try and discredit me, or to provoke and antagonise me - meaning that YOU are a troll.

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:47 AM

#224 “My only “heroes” are the Hibs team and you’re quite right - they have let me down for years” -------------- Are you from Edinburgh originally?

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:49 AM

#218 “Good morning, quite so but it could be argued that the unemployment figures could be a lot worse if it were not for the SNP?” --------------------- Yes it could, but I’m sure there will also be examples of where the SNP could have done better over employment. Like I said, no one party or reason is solely to blame for any increases or decreases in employment. But by solely praising one single party for any increase in employment you fall into a trap of being a hypocrite if you don’t also solely criticise that party for any decrease in employment - which is the trap the SNP fanatics are in now.

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ali2011

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:49 AM

Pending Moderation

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trenchchat

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:50 AM

The SNP promised that they would be better than Labour - they are not - unemployment is even higher than in England. The SNP promised lower primary class sizes - they have failed and cannot blame Westminster. The SNP promised that they would stand up to Westminster - they have not, apart from strongly worded letters to David Cameron. They continually wail that they are carrying out the cuts on behalf the coalition because “they have no choice” - This is cowardly. The SNP have no answers to the present economic crisis and are scared to have a referendum in the near future - some party eh! Unfortunately because they NATS only have a programme of mild reforms and half baked promises things look set to get worse for Scotland.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:50 AM

Is it £10 million we are being fleeced of to build the bannockburn visitors centre...another fabuklous use of public money whilst people, especially the young are languishing on the dole....

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:51 AM

#212 “And why would Salmond hold a referendum now with polled support not yet over 50%.” -------------------- Is there anything to suggest support for independence will increase to over 50% by 2014 or 15? The SNP have been in power for 4 and a half years but support for independence has never been over 50% in that time.

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:53 AM

#208 “Everyone but the unionist rabble knows when the referendum will be” ---------------- When will it be then?

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:53 AM

Stand up and be counted MSP’s ......give up £10 grand of your salaries to provide 129 apprenticeships over the next 3 years.

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brownlie

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:57 AM

229 independence now---------------------------- I’ve never praised the SNP for employment figures one way or the other. To be honest, I don’t know enough about the situation to make a reasonably intelligent comment on it. I hope others follow my example.

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:59 AM

221 - “220 Banana Heid ==================================================== Which company is that and we can all complain to the relevant people on your behalf.........................”............I’m guessing the non-existent ones that Biffo likes to quote on here.

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Reality Check

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 09:59 AM

The next Scottish Parliament election is due to be held on Thursday 5 May 2016.

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Shawfield Urchin

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:01 AM

There is nothing the unionista cringers like better than disappointing economic (and other) news relating to Scotland.........On here we see them punching the air in delight at an increase in Scottish unemployment figures, seemingly oblivious to the fact that it is their beloved Westminster which hold all the economic levers necessary to both destroy and stimulate the economy............It would be relatively amusing to watch them smugly proclaim their fellow unionistas incompetence in matters economic if it wasn’t for the misery their policies bring to hundreds of thousands of Scots as well as those furth of our borders...........All of those misguided individuals who voted Labour in 2010 in order to keep the Tories out, only to see them meekly roll over and accept what we all knew would happen, must now be kicking themselves for their naivety.

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:01 AM

#179 “But Scot Govt policy did cause them to drop! and as youve stated its Westminster policy thats causing them to go up again” ----------------- What Scottish Government policies caused unemployment to drop, and what Westminster policies have caused it to rise?

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brownlie

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:02 AM

228 independence now please---------------------------- No, but I had a trial with them and failed miserably. Looking at the team now I can’t help thinking they made a big mistake.

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brownlie

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:03 AM

235 Heinz ------------------------------or abolish the House of Lords?

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:04 AM

#239 “seemingly oblivious to the fact that it is their beloved Westminster which hold all the economic levers necessary to both destroy and stimulate the economy” ------------------------ So, as you blame Westminster for this increase in unemployment, it logically follows that you will also praise Westminster for any decrease in unemployment and will correct all those SNP fanatics who are solely praising the SNP for it? Unless you are a hypocrite that is?

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:05 AM

#241 “No, but I had a trial with them and failed miserably. Looking at the team now I can’t help thinking they made a big mistake.” -------------- Aren’t you a bit old to be playing football now? What position were you?

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:07 AM

237 Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader ==================================================== Indeed they complain about the lies of previous governments and then throw themselves headlong into vile propaganda on behalf of nationalist msp’s who will view them as scum. total cretins.

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Richard Lionheart

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Pot Kettle and Black comes to mind with Margaret Curren saying that SNP politicians must TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, when things go wrong. Labour appear to have forgotten that it was them who got us all into this mess! We need to grow our “Carbon emmitting” business’s the one’s which give people work. Co2 is not a pollutant gas it is a vital part of our eco system. Politicians must abondon Green Anarchist policies now, before all of our industry is “down the pan”. Same jobs in China doing same thing, the Worlds environment knows no boundries! Green Anarchist policies = Scots on dole Chinese in work. Fact

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wee-scamp

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:08 AM

#231 Actually, the SNP do have an answer to the present economic crisis. It’s called independence.

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Cagey

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Looking at the figures there is a lot of movement, I don’t know if it is also a movement from disability to unemployment but they are very volatile. For this reason I have been saying for some time that it is probably more representative in terms of trends to look at employment rather than unemployment. On this measure there were 17k less employed but interestingly there were 9k more economically active in total. That is a huge shift. It means the number economically active but not in employment went from 202k to 228k in one quarter, in the order of a 13% increase. Either there is something changed with the way the numbers are calculated or there is a huge shift to self employed etc. This is the same in the rest of the UK this quarter only not quite as pronounced. We should be given some more detail as to what is behind this.

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brownlie

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM

244 independence now--------------- Now really but it’s a tad difficult to play with an artificial leg.................

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trenchchat

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Excuses are now the mantra for the SNP supporters on these threads. “ Its no oor fault” they repeatedly cry. This, despite having a clear majority to carry out their modest programme of reforms. “Just wait till we get independence” is another one. Well now that they have a chance of putting the question to the Scottish people - they hesitate - why? Maybe because they think that by delaying the referndum the coalition will be so unpopular that they will get a “yes” to independence vote. Of course, because they are unable to make things better in Scotland and carry out the bidding on behalf of Westminster, they run the risk of being unpopular themselves when the time comes. Its not looking good for the NATS and it WILL get worse for them.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM

239 Shawfield Urchin ==================================================== Get over yourself lickspittle.......no-one is glorying...the only unemployment I would applaud is the 129 leeches sliming around holyrood. ==================================================== Just remember your limited faculties led you to support a party which concentrated on a narrow parochial vision based upon nonsense to the detriment of the people who live their. ================================================== Your desire to live out a childish dream at the expense of human need right now is grotesque.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:20 AM

242 brownlie a new improved second chamber would be an excellent idea.

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Phil C

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Alex Salmond under fire as recycling centres are clogged up with unionist poo

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:25 AM

“The First Minister claimed the UK government’s economic policy was “in a state of collapse”...In September, the First Minister said Scotland was the only place “in these islands” where unemployment was falling, arguing his “Plan MacB has a great deal to recommend it”.” ---------------------- Small wonder all the SNP fanatics praise the SNP when unemployment falls and then blame Westminster when it rises - their own idol does exactly the same! Of course they are going to do whatever Salmond does, they don’t have minds of their own, they just rigidly follow SNP dogma and automatically back whatever Salmond says without question.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Council of Economic Adviser......it would be cheaper ad probably more successful to hire a crack unit of druids, psychics, tarot readers and pagan witches to plan out future investment plans. We are being led by morons who give money to others slightly more intelligent enough to pull the wool over the gormless msp’s and collect a tasty wee cheque for a few minutes work.

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trenchchat

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:27 AM

#247 (Independence the answer?) - Is that not just what Cameron’s policy is with the UK as witnessed last week in Brussels? And did not Salmond write to him saying that his stand to keep independence for the UK was not in Scotland’s interest.. Would you agree that this smacks of hypocrisy? And if, as you imply, Scotland is suffering NOW because it is not independent, then why prolong the suffering by delaying a referendum?

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:28 AM

248 - It was quite refreshing to see a post by Cagey that didn’t contain his usual supposition regarding Wales until I actually started to read the post that is. I’m saving 248 for tonight in case I have problems sleeping.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:30 AM

253 Phil C ==================================================== Hilarious Phil, it must feel great to be part of something destroying the country you supposedly love.

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:31 AM

249 - Brownlie - “it’s a tad difficult to play with an artificial leg.................” Pffffttt.........Balderdash. I flew spitfires in battle with not one but two false legs. Brownlie = lack of moral fibre.

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brownlie

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM

259 Douglas Bader-----------No, read it now and give us all peace!

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Where are the true scottish nationalists who want to stop this rot....why are they not demanding independence now if they truly believe it will sort our problems?

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Cagey

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:36 AM

257 - You could always cuddle up to your Margaret Thatcher doll. Didn’t you profess to love her under one of your many guises?

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Shawfield Urchin

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:40 AM

251.........Well, if you can find another 65 people to agree with you can claim to represent the “majority” of Scottish opinion................At least according to your fellow hard of thinking cringer, the cerebrally challenged little Englander, Bader.

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Self Determination

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM

What a surprise the same Fundy Unionist trolls who up until last month when the jobless figures were better in Scotland than UK. These same trolls were demanding of us prove it is the SNP that is making the numbers better. they were trying to give all the credit to Osborne and the Tories in Westminster. now of course today it is all the fault of the SNP that the jobless numbers are worse than UK. Guess what if that reverses next month these same naysayers will be denying it is because the SNP has made the difference. Hypocrisy the watchword of Unionism.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:42 AM

262 Cagey ==================================================== yet despite everything the independence mionded folk believe it’s fine to leave the country in a state of flux ruled by a foreign power and slowly sinking into the mire.......if it was my true belief i’d be demanding action now but the supine lickspittle cringing nationalists sit on the hands blaming someone else. ==================================================== The single most pathetic party of independence ever seen in the history of the world. ================================================== A party for cringers led by cringers.

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:43 AM

263 - I take it you still haven’t evidence then Biffo?

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Mercutio

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:44 AM

“The public backs the Coalition’s approach to cutting the deficit by a margin of three to one, a poll for The Independent shows.”

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:45 AM

262 - Oh please........Thatcher is so eighties.............King Cameron now rules.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:48 AM

263 Shawfield Urchin ==================================================== It genuinely pains me that someone who can at least spell would put a party political line ahead if the good of his fellow man....it is genuinely an affront to your fellow man that you make light of genuine suffering in order to maintain some ridiculous party line trotted out by a gormless parrot whose entire existence is predicated by doing what they are told with some vague notion they might get a ministerial position at some point in the future. ==================================================== There will be little left of our public institutions and the big brother style legislation will leave us with an independent country led by a patrician nasty government top heavy on useless administration with totally failing public services. ================================================== I hope to god for you and yours you do not need to access social care support over the coming decade as it is slowly being destroyed by an snp government intent on centralising all power to holyrood regardless of what it does to the most needy.

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Independence now please

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:49 AM

#264 “These same trolls were demanding of us prove it is the SNP that is making the numbers better. they were trying to give all the credit to Osborne and the Tories in Westminster. now of course today it is all the fault of the SNP that the jobless numbers are worse than UK” ------------------ And likewise, SNP fanatic trolls like yourself were trying to give all the credit to the SNP when unemployment was lower in Scotland than the rest of the UK, and now it is worse, you are completely absolving the SNP of any blame and putting it all on Westminster. You really aren’t in any position to criticise anyone else for behaviour that you yourself are equally guilty of!

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Tibially Challenged Douglas Bader

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:50 AM

267 - Of course they do. And this is exactly what Salmond’s fundamental problem is. The bampots on here are going to vote for independence as long as Salmond keep his anti-UK rhetoric going. However, the bampots are not enough. He needs to attract the votes of the intelligent Labour, Lib Dem supporters and the don’t knows. Now, when he goes into anti-UK mode he pleases the bampots but the intelligent voters see through his charade. That’s why he knows he cannot win an independence vote on a yes or no question.

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Heinz Doofensmirtz

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 10:51 AM

267 Mercutio ==================================================== The cuts are necessary but the axe is falling on those without a voice and unable to advocate for themselves. ==================================================== The bottom rung of society is being represented by well funded organisations unable or unwilling to challenge the governments policies for fear of losing funding from this ever more centralised regime.

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