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Published Date:
02 November 2006
A LOCH Ness Monster theory which suggests the creature is a living dinosaur has been dealt a blow by scientists.
Many believe that Nessie is a plesiosaur, a long-necked marine reptile which sought refuge in Scotland's second-largest freshwater loch when most of the species died out 160 million years ago.

But Dr Leslie Noe, a palaeontologist at Cambridge Uni
versity's Sedgwick Museum, discovered that the plesiosaur would have been unable to lift its head up, swan-like, out of the water.

Most scientists believe the creatures became extinct with the other dinosaurs, but some insist it is possible that after the last Ice Age, some plesiosaurs may have been stranded in the 23-mile-long loch, which was connected to the sea.

The plesiosaur has a prominent small head on a long neck and a round body, and is the most popular explanation for mythical Nessie.

Dr Noe, whose findings are reported in this month's New Scientist, told experts at a meeting of the Society of Vertebrate Palaeontology in Canada, that plesiosaurs used their long necks to reach down and feed on soft-bodied animals living on the sea floor. By examining fossils of a plesiosaur, Muraenosaurus, and by calculating the articulation of the neck bones, Dr Noe concluded the neck was flexible and could move most easily when pointing down.

Dr Noe said: "The neck was a feeding tube, collecting soft-bodied prey. The osteology of the neck makes it certain the plesiosaur could not lift its head up, swan-like, out of the water."

However, the findings did not surprise George Edwards, one of the world's foremost authorities on the monster, who took a photograph of a unknown "creature" with a black hump he spotted on the loch in June 1986.

Mr Edwards, from Drumnadrochit, who runs Loch Ness cruises on his boat, the Nessie Hunter, said: "Most people don't support the dinosaur theory. The creature is some entirely new species. When you consider that every year in the open seas thousands of new species are discovered, this is the most likely explanation. But there's no doubt that a creature, one with a single hump, which most people report, does exist."

Monstrous tale is centuries old


THE earliest reference to Nessie was in the life story of St Columba who, in August 565, apparently fought off a monster from Loch Ness that was attacking a Pict.

The first modern sighting was on 2 May, 1933, when the Inverness Courier reported a couple seeing "an enormous animal rolling and plunging on the surface". The London newspapers sent reporters to Scotland and a circus offered a £20,000 reward for the capture of the monster.



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  • Last Updated: 02 November 2006 9:52 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Loch Ness Monster
 
1

Betsy,

02/11/2006 05:34:28

I refuse to believe this - they'll be telling us the earth is flat next.

2

Amazing Insider,

Edinburgh 02/11/2006 06:44:31

Are we expected to believe Dr Noe or the dozens of people who have seen Nessie.

Sounds like sour grapes just because they couldn't find her after spending all that research dosh. Good on you Nessie, keep hiding from these bounty hunters.

3

SouthernSkye,

Isle of Skye 02/11/2006 07:19:32

I give Nessie a wave everytime I take the wife over to Inverness to fill up in Lidl. She often gives us a wave back.

Hmmmnnn "Dr Noe.......My name name is Nessie...Loch Nessie".

"Ahhhh, Nessie....your reputation preceeds you"
(Said whilst stroking a very hairy white cat).

4

Cadgers,

Perth 02/11/2006 07:28:24

Is nothing sacred?

5

Slioch,

02/11/2006 07:28:24

~1 Bet: Don't you mean "round"?

6

sam,

02/11/2006 07:29:24

Typical of an english uni, they are just jealous they dont have a myth, oops sorry monster like Nessie down south, oops sorry the do, its tony blair

7

Man in the middle,

02/11/2006 07:54:23

Hmm..the same 'experts' who say according to the laws of aerodynamics bees can't possibly fly?

8

Dave,

Western Isles 02/11/2006 08:01:19

Nessie exists! He's at the BP garage on the way into Inverness city centre.

(Don't tell the tourists that he might not exist btw)

9

Joanna (really),

02/11/2006 08:10:37

Actually, they figured out the bee thing -- it was the little hairs on the edges of the wings that broke up some of the wind resistance caused by air turbulance. That's why there are little sticks on the edge of airplane wings now --- saves loads of petrol.

It was scientists finally figuring out the bee thing that helped make air travel so much more afordable.

I don't see why you folks think eliminating one species of dinosaur as a candidate radically alters the chances of nessie existing.

10

SouthernSkye,

Isle of Skye 02/11/2006 08:10:42

Morning Dave....'He' might be at the BP garage....but Mrs Nessie is usually around Urquhart castle when we see her.....with the kids!

11

why can't I use my own name???,

02/11/2006 08:35:14

Of course Nessie exists! Why, even that modern beat combo The Automatic claim to have seen her, as their recent offering shows: 'What's that coming over the hill, is it a monster..?'

Or were they referring to John Reid's appearance on the horizon of the labour Party Leadership race?? :-)

12

The Hiker,

St Andrews. 02/11/2006 08:36:50

Bet #1.

The earth is flat, don't believe all yon nonsense, the scientists tell you.

As for Nessie, well there's certainly something unusual in the loch.

13

why can't I use my own name???,

02/11/2006 08:39:14

Here's a man who believes!!

http://www.lochness.co.uk/

14

JG,

Fife 02/11/2006 08:50:03

There's always someone waiting to spoil things, isn't there? I like the theory that Nessie is a uniquely Scottish beast and not an anythingsaurus and she's not going to be pleased that some English scientist is dissing her!!!

15

Graeme,

Hong Kong 02/11/2006 08:54:15

Would it not be better for Dr Noe and his colleagues to stop wasting so much cash and time on a stupid fable and spend it where it is really needed. What about the haggis?? It is nearly extinct due to all the illegal shooting. You will all be sorry when they disappear. You will have to suffer farmed haggis after that.

16

Dave,

Western Isles 02/11/2006 08:59:18

Morning SS

I assumed the nessie at the BP garage was a he as he was wearing a jimmy hat. I've got me Nessie whistle ring at the ready!!

17

macd,

Aberdeen 02/11/2006 09:51:48

Of course Nessie exists. I was born in Inverness and have seen him/her several times.

Scientists are just slaves to their research grants.

Graeme is right, they should spent more time on the offal plight of the haggis. Its a national disgrace that poachers have brought it to the brink of extinction. Too much money goes to saving tigers and pandas.

Where's Cambridge?

18

Kev,

Niddrie, Edinburgh 02/11/2006 10:35:16

Ofcourse he is exists!! Nessie is my Great Grandfathers pet. Everytime we go to Inverness me and my siblings and my cousins we all have a turn feeding him and riding his tail.

19

Stewarty,

02/11/2006 11:23:27

Oh dear - another Scottish tourist attraction in jeopardy. But wait a moment, maybe not. Head for Holyrood for First Numptie's Questions this afternoon to see a real old fashioned dinosaur in the flesh.

20

Guga,

Rockall 02/11/2006 11:31:37

#20 Aye, but he's got a short thick neck supporting a thick head.

21

Loren Coleman,

Portland, Maine 02/11/2006 12:05:58

As opposed to what the popular media either assumes or attempts to convey, most cryptozoologists do not support "dinosaurs" or "plesiosaurs" in Loch Ness, but various other possible candidates.

For example, I support the notion that a mammal, an as-yet unidentified species of large pinniped, is what is being seen. The myth of a swam-necked animal is long dead, and the most frequent sighting is of an animal's body resembling the torso of a walrus coming out of the water. (Furthermore, some 20+ land sightings and hair seen on the body support the mammal theories.)

Sincerely,
Loren Coleman
Cryptozoology, Author, Media Consultant
http://www.cryptomundo.com
The Field Guide to Lake Monsters, Sea Serpents, and Other Mystery Denizens of the Deep (NY: Penguin, 2003)
Cryptozoology A to Z (NY: Simon and Schuster, 1999)

22

Doreen,

Glasgow 02/11/2006 12:16:43

We're not talking holding its head out of the water for a long period of time, how about merely throwing it up and back for a quick gander at the scenery before it ambles off doon the cave?

23

eric,

02/11/2006 12:24:25

The only Dinosaurs i know are in Westminster

24

Neil,

9% GROWTH Party 02/11/2006 12:36:28

Personally I find that interesting about plesiosaurs. It is a shame it was wrapped up in the Nessie nonsence. If Nessie were to exist she will have had 65 million years to evolve which might be long enough to give here a strong neck. After all it was long enough for us to evolve from proto mice.

25

Dave,

Western Isles 02/11/2006 12:43:27

Was that your letter in the Daily Record Neil Graig of Glasgow?

26

Charlie,

Loch Ness 02/11/2006 13:41:50

Ive been camped out next the loch for 7 years, hoping for a glimpse of the beastie. You see, Nessie is not some lovable tourist attraction but a creature of pure evil! 7 years ago nessie ate my wife and kids and now im out for revenge. Im going to put blue paint on like him out of braveheart and kill the evil beneath loch ness

27

The west awake,

Argyll 02/11/2006 14:08:43

There goes the last Labour voter!

28

wayne bijlyeerheid,

02/11/2006 14:09:47

I don't need some Englishman to tell me that, as Loch Ness was formed during the last ice age (ended about 40,000 years ago) it's hard to see how a dinosaur (extinct 65 million years) could end up there.
Why don't they look to their own tourist attractions that the majority of visitors never catch a glimpse of?
You know decent food in helpings that feed you and beer that doesn't swell your stomach to the size of a cow's.

29

IanW,

02/11/2006 14:12:12

Lee #24 - There are more closer to home - Holyrood!!

30

Jack1,

02/11/2006 14:23:36

Cut off at the end of the Ice Age? So where were they living between for the 159,990,000 years between the extinction of the rest of the species and the end of the Ice Age only 10,000 years ago?

31

Bill S,

USA 02/11/2006 14:25:10

There is no Nessie. (Wish there were. Bet they'd be good eatin'.) For there to be one there'd have to be a herd. You'd be tripping over them. Explained pretty well here, about half way down:

http://www.unmuseum.org/lochness.htm

Consider the vastness of the Atlantic and the rarity of the whale shark. Yet the Jacque Cousteaus of the world have no trouble finding one when they need one to spice up a documentary.

32

IanW,

02/11/2006 14:36:48

Bill S #32 - Oh yes there is, just the same as there is a tooth fairie and Santa Claus.

If you visit Loch Ness and are very quiet and patient Nessie will perhaps come to you and pose for photographs.

33

Nuke Boy,

Canada 02/11/2006 15:57:12

Why would Scots ever want to deny the existence of Nessie? This creature has brought untold millions of pounds worth of tourism to the country and milions of research money also no doubt. Let the story live.
Besides, almost every country in the world has a lake monster or unknown creature of some kind so why should Scotland be deprived in thiss respect.

34

Darrell,

02/11/2006 16:24:52

Nessie is not there anymore. We exported him to Lake Champlain as is our American right as rulers of the world.

35

Lawrence,

Virginia 02/11/2006 16:31:36

Inverness is the fastest growing city in western Europe. This little darlin is one of the reasons why, its all part of the magic of scotland that they dont have.

36

Bill S,

USA 02/11/2006 17:56:28

Love to see Inverness someday. If I ever make it over, I'll be sure to drop by the loch. Probably get eaten.

37

Repton,

edinburgh 02/11/2006 18:29:15

Na, it was Jade Goody taking a dip.

38

Meg McMuffin,

sydney 02/11/2006 22:27:46

Na,
It's L:ord Lucan with Shergar on his back.

39

Pete39,

Tasmania 03/11/2006 08:56:43

Ach there is no fishing in Loch Ness. That is the truth even if the locals tell you otherwise. The odd American tourist that disappears can only be described as wastage. Apart from that she is vegitarian.

40

ufohunter,

Midlothian Scotland 05/11/2006 15:02:15

If you have nerver seen this lochness footage think click on link this is nessie at her best the real Phenomenon that is on lochness
http://lsufos.com/Nessie.html

Regards
John

41

D,

Switzerland 05/11/2006 17:09:52

I believe in the Loch Ness monster! Dr. Noe is making a nice story gone. He is also making a mythical creature being forgotten!

42

edward,

usa 05/11/2006 23:57:47

well then, that explains it, I always suspected that the giraffe couldn't lift its head and chew at the same time! Its a shame too, the world needs more mytholology.


 

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