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Published Date: 17 July 2009
UP TO 65,000 people in Britain could die as a result of swine flu as the pandemic takes hold across the country, according to the government's latest calculations.
On the day a further 12 people were confirmed to have died after contracting the H1N1 virus, officials said they had revised their predictions upwards to take account of the increasing infection rate.

Sir Liam Donaldson, the UK government's chief medical officer, said the scenario of 65,000 deaths was based on 30 per cent of the population – some 18 million people – becoming ill and 0.35 per cent of those dying.

But the actual number of fatalities could be anywhere between 3,000 and 750,000, he added.

If the government's "working assumption" comes to pass, it would mean a death rate ten times that of normal seasonal flu.

The latest figures were in a Department of Health report published yesterday, which showed 29 people had died in Britain – three in Scotland – after contracting the virus.

Fears about the spread of swine flu were heightened after the Royal College of GPs revealed the number of cases had jumped by nearly 50 per cent in a week, making the current summer outbreak worse than the peak of last winter's flu season. Data from a sample of GPs' surgeries showed that up to 55,000 people complained to their doctor last week about "flu-like illnesses", with a huge rise in the number of young children being affected.

However, Sir Liam said the profile of the virus had not changed, it was not becoming more dangerous, and most people were still experiencing mild symptoms.

In his planning document, he warned that 18 million people might become ill with the virus and that employers should prepare for 12 per cent of the workforce being absent.

He also suggested more than half of children could get the H1N1 virus – much higher than the predicted 30 per cent of adults. The Department of Health has not worked out a separate fatality rate for under-15s.

Last night it was reported that a six-year-old boy in Kent had died of the virus. He was thought to have died on Wednesday and was was not believed to have had any other medical problems.

The Scottish Government yesterday announced the death of a woman in her forties at Raigmore Hospital in Inverness, the third victim in Scotland.

The woman, who was visiting Scotland on holiday, died more than three weeks after being admitted. However, as with most other victims, she had underlying health problems.

A Channel 4 news report suggested the virus could create "a vicious cycle" that could delay economic recovery by two years, with sickness levels lowering UK GDP by up to 5 per cent.

Currently, health officials expect one in 1,000 people who get the virus to die, the lower end of the rate for seasonal flu. However, they also admit this could rise to above one in 300, and have warned that it could increase still further in the autumn.

The school holidays in Scotland appear to have slowed the spread of the virus, while it has spread rapidly in England and Wales, where most schools have yet to break up.

In England, there were 55,000 new cases last week, and the equivalent of 73.4 people in every 100,000 visited their doctor with flu-like symptoms. The worst area in the UK for GP visits was Tower Hamlets in London.

Among age groups, the rate in England was highest among those aged four to 15, at 159.57 per 100,000, up 46 per cent from the week before. But in Scotland, there was only a 0.4 per cent rise in the number of people attending their doctors – 25 per 100,000, or about 1,250 people. And the rate among children aged four to 15 dropped to 13 per 100,000.

Health secretary Nicola Sturgeon said sample laboratory tests suggested only 13 per cent of those complaining of flu symptoms had the H1N1 virus. However, she was concerned that the rate of cases had not dropped, as would normally be expected in the summer.

And she suggested the spread of the H1N1 virus might accelerate again once schools reopen in the middle of next month.

The highest rate was in Tayside, with 75 in 100,000 people going to the doctor with flu symptoms. But Harry Burns, Scotland's chief medical officer, warned this might be inaccurate because of the small sample and with the recording of statistics still at an early stage.

Yesterday, he and Ms Sturgeon stressed that the Department of Health document did not contain "predictions", but would help the NHS prepare for a worst-case scenario.

One public health expert, Dr Dean Marshall, the chairman of the British Medical Association's Scottish GPs committee, warned swine flu victims to give other people a "wide berth".

However, he added: "It's difficult for the public to realise that normal winter flu has quite a high death rate – the difference being that not every one is reported in the press."

Microbiologist Professor Hugh Pennington said he would be "very surprised" if the swine flu death toll was as high as 65,000.

He went on: "They (the public] shouldn't be panicking. The majority of cases are still very mild. There will be quite a few people infected who don't even know they have it, because they don't have any symptoms at all."

Sir Liam also announced details of a National Pandemic Flu Service for England, which should be up and running towards the end of next week.

A similar system will be set up in Scotland later, because of the slower spread of the virus.

Meanwhile, there is an escalating row between the Scottish and UK governments over who should pay the £100 million for swine flu vaccines in Scotland.

A letter from finance secretary John Swinney to the Treasury suggested the Scottish Government did not have funds to pay for the vaccines. But yesterday, Ms Sturgeon said funds were available if necessary.

Cathy Jamieson, Scottish Labour health spokeswoman said: "We are in the midst of a pandemic… this is too important an issue to play politics with."

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  • Last Updated: 17 July 2009 4:49 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 00:25:00

A very conservative estimate to avoid panicking, this is a normal procedure, when we are about to have a swine of a time.

2

Pretzel Logic,

17/07/2009 01:06:43
Very worring
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17/07/2009 01:32:25
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17/07/2009 01:35:07
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Pretzel Logic,

17/07/2009 01:43:27
With the football season about to begin the spread will be uncontrollable
6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 02:33:48

The alteritive to the soo called 'flu jab' is to purchase one of my protection outfits, against the coming pandemic, @£500 it is a bargain!, take a neb,

http://wirelessdigest.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ultravioletoutfit.jpg
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 02:35:28

Cheques made Payable to C. Linskaill Esq.

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 03:10:50

WHO IS IN THE SUITE!!?

Is it our Tony Blair, taking post in the EU, as his wife contracted the Swine-Flu, and he does not want to spread it?
Or maybe cautious Salmond, not taking 'risks'?




9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 03:14:57

Too thin for Salmond, It must be Blair in the suit!

10

Lausanne Jellies,

17/07/2009 03:44:11
"never know how much i love you
never know how much i care
when you put your arms around me
I give you fever that's so hard to bare

you give me fever
when you kiss me
fever when you hold me tight
Fever
In the morning
Fever all through the night"
11

McNasty,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 06:18:44
Two kinds of people panic.

Those that don't know what's happening; and those that do.
12

John Cameron,

St Andrews 17/07/2009 06:59:43
I hear that the swinish Cherie Blair has swine flu. You could not make it up!!
13

Ian Perth,

Perth 17/07/2009 07:38:24
My comment is more by way of question.
Since islamists and jews cannot have contact with pork either to eat or touch will they be able to take the swine flu vacination ?
14

Rabhairt,

Australia 17/07/2009 08:05:18
The article says 29 people have died in Britain from swine flu which is about the same number as here but the headlines say the death toll in Britain could be 65,000 and then further down in the article it says that the ACTUAL FATALITIES could be anywhere between 3000 and 750,000; there are so many different figures mentioned and so many "ifs and buts" that one could easily think that this article was written by a politician, on a serious note though this is quite scary.
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george toot toot,

Europe 17/07/2009 08:43:33
I wonder if the summer recess will last until the end of the pandemic, "We're setting a good example"... and all the time pigging it on expenses.
16

Jambos49,

Tyncastle 17/07/2009 08:47:51
So The Scotsman has swallowed the Koolaid and is doing the governments job of trying to scare the public with propaganda.

Its bad enough we get this scaremongering rammed down our throats every night from the BBC tv news.

Stop being a mouthpiece for the Brown administration please.
17

Unimpressed one,

17/07/2009 09:04:15
Strange how less than 24 hours ago the same chief medical adviser could not put a figure on mortality rates. Now we have 65,000, but maybe only 3000 or possibly 25 times this figure. So basically, nothing's changed from the previous statement.
18

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 09:13:42
Thats a terrible cough you've got there Cherie. Consumption no be done about it?
19

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 17/07/2009 09:18:01
This swine flu has already caught up with the political classes if the delightful Cherie Blair has been contaminated.
I wonder how long it will take for the rest of the trough feeders to get it now; with the forecast mortality rates being pondered we can just hope.
There could be quite a number of by-elections looming after the 83 days on holiday, not forgetting the slab’s copy and paste man at the Hootsman.
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Alex Plode,

17/07/2009 09:21:36
Jambos49 #17 - "Its bad enough we get this scaremongering rammed down our throats every night from the BBC tv news".

Well, if you watched the BBC 10 o' clock News last night, you would have seen Fergus Walsh stating that the 65,000 figure was at the extreme end of the prediction scale, and that predicted deaths would be more in line with a bad flu epidemic such as happened in 1999-2000, i.e about 20,000, and possibly not even as bad as that. Responsible journalism, but of course it's not going to sell scabby newpapers, is it??
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A Crofter,

Panicking Arce 17/07/2009 09:29:08
ED - I refer you to another of today's Hootsmon features:-


WHO: 'It's pointless to count every case in fastest-spreading pandemic'

THE World Health Organisation (WHO) says the swine flu pandemic is the fastest-moving of all time and that it is now pointless to count every case. More info...


Let's get back to some proper news, for instance: Why has Westmidden just adjourned for THREE WHOLE MONTHS? Who else gets summer hols like these?
22

Chief King Bonga,

17/07/2009 10:52:44
"Experts" also predicted the following - An aids epidemic, Bird flue, Mad Cow disease, and the Millenium bug(not medical but suits my arguement).

I would despute that the first three altogether did not result in 360 deaths a day.
If you want a truer figure of deaths due to swine flu per day, call William Hill !
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JWW,

Whitburn,West Lothian, 55.86667 -3.68500 17/07/2009 10:53:47
A good way to determine exactly what the real issues are regarding news stories, is to determine who gains the most from it.

In this instance, is it the Public, Government, Medical profession, Media or the Pharmaceuticals?
24

AJ Fife,

17/07/2009 11:01:32
Only 65000? Phew, luckily Donaldson wants to avoid mass hysteria among the population. Just imagine how irresponsible he would be to concoct a figure of real magnitude.

Was the figure based on deaths over the next five centuries?

25

Tartan Viking,

17/07/2009 11:07:36
Everywhere I look there is a poster showing some guy sneezing. It is the same guy. Surely if we track him down and iscolate him we will eradicate this.
26

AJ Fife,

17/07/2009 11:09:58
Nevermind the figures being plucked out of mid air, let's all buy shares in the drug manufacturing companies. Those boys know how to start a rumour, milk it and sook up the big profits!
27

HighAbove,

Highlands 17/07/2009 11:28:02
Take a look back in the files to (I think) October 2000 and you will find a full page article headlined "Rebirth for a killer of 60 million" which foretold the arrival of a global flu pandemic within 10 years.
28

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/07/2009 11:29:02
"Swine flu death toll 'could hit 65,000'"

Scaremongering. Stop it, now!
29

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/07/2009 11:34:10
#17 Channel 4 news was the worst for scaremongering.

I am sure I heard Jon Snow asking if they would consider calling in the army. Idiotic!
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Proghead,

Embra 17/07/2009 12:23:46
Right here we go with the scaremongering again. For 65000 to die, 18 million would have to be infected. They don't know if it will mutate next time round, it may not. This is ' stick your finger in the air ' guesswork. This is also creating the situation where people are going into A&E thinking they have the virus, where they have a cough or a cold. Flu comes round all the time and we can only prepare for what we think is going to happen. There are more insidious problems, specifically hospital infections, that are far more serious.
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EK,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 12:34:28
If you read the story, there is an estimate of just 3000 deaths as well. Less than road traffic accidents, heart disease, cancer and alcohol-related deaths.

I wonder how many lazy, good-for-nothing employees will be phoning up with "flu-like-symptoms" the day after a heavy drinking session! This country is ging (nay gone) to the dogs and no one realises it yet!!!!
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Proghead,

Embra 17/07/2009 12:36:13
#33

I agree, but it's no use going into hospital with a cough, then losing a leg or your life because of a hospital infection. The point here is that the medical profession are all over the swine flu story like a rash ( no pun intened ) as it's a natural phenomenon they have no control over, but it's something they can look like experts in. Hospital infections are something that is caused by the way our healthcare system operates, so they would rather keep a little quieter about that
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Proghead,

Embra 17/07/2009 13:45:56
#36

The key point is mutation. If it doesn't, it's probably no worse than previous strains, if it does, there's still no knowing what it could do. It's sceintific speculation
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/07/2009 14:30:34
36 ENP:

"This is affecting the whole population."

Well, no actually. Best forecasts put it at around 30% of the population who will be infected. Certainly not 100% as you claim.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 17/07/2009 14:30:42
Evidently there are still huge stocks of unused Tamiflu (which is apparently not that effective) to go and/or the helicopter story hasn't quite hit the deck yet (sorry).
40

Fairfax,

17/07/2009 14:31:36
EK (34): "If you read the story, there is an estimate of just 3000 deaths as well."

That's not an estimate, but a lower bound. Seasonal 'flu has a fatality rate of 0.1%, i.e. 1 in 10000 infected. The 1918 Spanish 'flu pandemic had the much high fatality rate of at least 2.5%, rising to 10% in some populations. At this stage, it really isn't known where swine 'flu will lie on that scale.

Here's a link to an interesting survey on the 1918 pandemic:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol12no01/05-0979.htm
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Fairfax,

17/07/2009 14:33:44
41: "a fatality rate of 0.1%, i.e. 1 in 10000 infected."

This is an obvious typo. It should read

"a fatality rate of 0.1%, i.e. 1 in 1000 infected."
42

NYScott,

A wee bit upstate NY USA 17/07/2009 15:13:39
First... Wash yer Bloody hands! Carry hand disinfectant with you and use it. After being out in public or where ever clean those hands! We do it here and there's no more passing of the bug!
Many people now, instead of shaking hands do a fist bump instead... God bless and watch over you all!
43

brew,

Union 17/07/2009 16:02:55
Back in the 70's ,people in the US were told to get vaccinated for the upcomming spread of Swine Flu, and as I recall more people died from the vaccination then ever died from the flu. It was known as the only cure for which there was no known disease. Could this be just another hoax by the big pharm companies? Naaaaah , they would not do that! And "huge stocks of unused Tamiflu" - will bring Attila the Rum (aka Donald Rumsfeld, criminal at large) millions if not billions of profit.
Stop eating junk/GMO food and keep the immune system up to snuff.

44

MattyMat,

So Cal 17/07/2009 19:17:54
Better than suffering for months/years and than dying of cancer.
45

Tired of Hypocrites,

Mount Forest 18/07/2009 00:30:56
Seems odd, we have only had a few deaths in Canada and no ones seems too worried about it. What are you folks doing? All giving each other mouth to mouth. Oh I'm sorry that mouth to a$#@, government I understand.
46

IainGlasgow,

18/07/2009 00:49:59
#44

I suggest you go and Google Jane Burgermeister.

I can't say if she's for real but she has file criminal charges in Austria and the USA gains one of the main producers of the Swine Flu vaccine as well as WHO and the UN among others.

last winter they "accidently" contaminated a large batch of regular flu vaccine with live Bird Flu virus allegedly given to them by WHO. It was discovered by a Lab technician in Austria who killed some ferrets with it and the only investigation into it was done by a government vet. The batch of vaccines was quickly destroyed.

I understand Bird Flu virus is handled in a separate level of biohazard control from flu vaccine production so it must have been a massive blunder to contaminate in such a way
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Wee Jane,

France 18/07/2009 05:54:17
The scaremongering on this 'man-manufactured 'Swine Flu' is outrageous. Thousands more people die every year of 'normal flu' and we have never had the media frenzy like we have over 'swine flu'/ Do yourselves a favour, ask who benefits from this madness? The pharmaceutical companies,? Governments who find another way of 'controlling' us? Mandatory vaccinations with a product that has NOT proven to be effective and that has more serious side effects than this latest flu ? Waken up everyone.
Scotsman you should be ashamed with the "repeating' instead of true journalism ie, reporting. Whatever happened to investigative journalism ? Now you all just take the latest press release being handed out and sit back on your well padded behinds. 29 deaths attributed to Swine flu, what's the panic? More deaths in ANY normal month from normal flu. Say NO to vaccinations, eat properly and give your body's immune system a chance, better that than succumb to the unknown other toxin they will put in this so called 'vaccine' Question the motives and stop fear mongering.

 

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