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Published Date: 10 July 2008
MOTORING and taxpayer groups reacted with anger today as it became known just how much extra many drivers will have to find to pay for road tax changes.
The Government has admitted that some 43% of road users will see their bills rise by up to £245 by April 2010, compared with fewer than a fifth who will be better off in real terms.

Treasury Minister Angela Eagle said that overall in 2009/10, "a t
hird of cars will be better off in real terms and, in total, approximately 55% of cars will be no worse off". Just over 44% will pay more.

By 2010/11, 9.4 million face higher bills – 43% of the predicted number of vehicles on the road. Some 8.4 million will fork out around the same, while 1.4 million are set to benefit financially.

Experts calculate that the Exchequer will have received more than £1 billion in extra vehicle excise duty (VED) revenue by 2011.

The AA said the figures "confirm our worst fears", while shadow chancellor George Osborne accused Prime Minister Gordon Brown of misleading Parliament over the car tax information.

The Liberal Democrats said the Government must have "a death wish", while RAC Foundation said it was "shocking" that the Treasury had taken so long to acknowledge the full impact of the changes, which were first announced in the last Budget.

The TaxPayers' Alliance said the VED rates were "a cynical tax grab" but Friends of the Earth said the Government should "stand firm" over its car tax plans.

Ms Eagle insisted there had been no effort to hide the reforms.
She said: "It is a pretty bad stealth tax, I would say, given all the publicity that is about."

She refused to comment on hints from Justice Secretary Jack Straw that there could be a major climbdown on the road tax reforms, insisting only: "We have set out our stall on the direction of policy."

Currently, the maximum road tax for a vehicle registered between March 2001 and March 2006 is £210.

However, from April 2010 that will increase to £455 for the heaviest polluters.

Vehicles such as Range Rovers and some people carriers emitting more than 255g of CO2 per kilometre will pay up to £440. Cars with smaller engines face a £100 rise.

Mr Osborne said: "Gordon Brown appears to have misled Parliament. He said that the majority of drivers would benefit from the changes to VED.

"Now even the Treasury have admitted that just a third of drivers will be better off in 2009, dropping to less than 20% in 2010. This destroys the Government's defence that this is a green tax, and in general gives green taxes a bad name.

"We need the Prime Minister to tell us whether he knew that he was giving Parliament the wrong information and was treating the public like fools, or was it the case that he didn't know the truth about the impact of his own Budget on families?"

Liberal Democrat transport spokesman Norman Baker said: "This Government must have a death wish. It is wrong in principle to tax behaviour retrospectively. Green taxes should be about influencing behaviour not penalising decisions made up to seven years ago.

"New green taxes must be offset by tax cuts elsewhere. The Government has failed on both counts and is giving green taxes a bad name. Eventually we should cut car taxes and introduce road charges on a pay-as-you-go basis that will not penalise those with no option but to drive."

AA president Edmund King said: "The Treasury has made a mistake and must now scrap the 'retrospective' nature of the tax disc changes for older vehicles. This is not a green tax but a mean tax that will hit millions of hard-up families.

"Coupled with the record pump prices, this will bring double misery to millions of motorists."

Sheila Rainger, of the RAC Foundation, said: "It is shocking that the Treasury has taken so long to acknowledge the full impact of these Budget changes.

"Nine million motorists will be worse off under the new scheme. Drivers of very modest cars will be hit by increases, which, added to soaring fuel prices, will plunge family budgets into the red.

"Far from being a green tax, this scheme will take £1.2 billion off the motorist and put it in the Treasury's coffers. The Chancellor must think again."

Friends of the Earth's economics co-ordinator, Simon Bullock, said: "Upping VED on old, very polluting cars will encourage people to choose greener vehicles, cut fuel bills and lower carbon dioxide emissions.

"But we do believe people should be given a helping hand. We are calling on ministers to help people switch to a cleaner vehicle by paying them to scrap their old gas-guzzlers and replace it with a greener car that uses less fuel.

"Ministers must stand firm on their VED plans and do more to encourage greener travel."

Matthew Elliott, chief executive at the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: "This is a cynical tax grab that will hit millions of families hard.

"People need their cars to get to work, to visit family and to get to the shops, especially in the countryside. Wrapping this attempt to squeeze yet more money out of hard-pressed taxpayers in the green banner is wrong and deceitful."



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  • Last Updated: 10 July 2008 12:56 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Lady in waiting,

Glenrothes 10/07/2008 13:24:27
GREED!!!!!!
2

peteedinburgh,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 13:27:05
Mine ( 5dr 1600CC hatchback) is going up £5 a year. I can save that by not driving 40 miles.

I find this reporting is a bit misleading. Up to 185 gm CO2 increases are modest like mine. Over 226gm they are modest too but its already £400 and those drivers are already running cars so big and pricey that this won't make a difference to them. Its really only a very few around the 180 - 200 gm that see a big increase.

I do resent the Tax whingers lumping me with my £5 increase into the same count as those with the big increase. Saying 8.4M people will see an increase of up to £245 really should be qualified by saying for the majority of them its actually only £5.
3

elizabeth the first ,

10/07/2008 13:36:46
It's not the cars registered in 2001 onwards that cause the problem,it's the old bangers of the 70's and 80's that spew out cr-p, hammer these, not cars that are under 10 years old.
4

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 13:37:39
"Wrapping this attempt to squeeze yet more money out of hard-pressed taxpayers in the green banner is wrong and deceitful"

Some "green" principles are perfectly valid and sensible---things like not leaving lights on etc are common sense.

However, politicians have jumped on the bandwagon and used "green" politics as justification for levying more taxes and restricting our freedoms. They invented the concept of "global warming" and when that was proven to be false over time, they invented "climate change". They base both of these things on "greenhouse gasses" which include (but are not limited to) CO2. CO2 is emitted from car exhausts so there is your justification for high taxation.

The fact that the politicians themselves cause more climatic problems with the hot air they produce than that attributable to vehicle emissions is neither here nor there. All they need is to get a few crackpot loonies and "scientists" who are desparate to make a name for themselves to jump on the bandwagon and Bob's your Uncle.

This proposed re-shuffle of vehicle taxation sends out the clearest message yet to anyone who can be bothered to listen. that message is that this is ALL ABOUT RAISING REVENUE. They MUST have known at the time that 9 million people would be paying more tax under this new scheme. This more than compensates for the few hundred thousand that will be paying less tax. That is the reason why this is going ahead. The tax gain will be enormous for the government.

Why do we put up with this? Why do we put up with the stupid labour lies? Why are we not out on the streets protesting? Car tax should go back to the way it was in the 1980s. If you have a car, you pay road tax. You pay the same for WHATEVER car you have, be it a Bentley or a Cinquecento. That is the only fair way to do things.
5

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 13:45:15
#3:

Elizabeth,

As someone who has an interested in "1970s bangers" as you so delicately put it and someone who knows many people who own and cherish those kinds of cars, I can assure you that they are not the main cause of pollution that you think they are.

Such vehicles are almost exclusively used for "high days and holidays" do not cover a great deal of mileage. They are maintained properly and not just driven for short journeys to the shops and back.

The amount of pollution the average Jaguar E-Type creates during a typical year is probably a lot less than the average "fast black" cab creates in a week. These cars are also in minority ownership. They form part of a hobby. Owners should NOT be penalised.
6

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 13:49:11
Pete in Edinburgh

Seeing as you are quoting it, would you care explaining what the abbreviation "gm" means?

According to SI units, it should mean "gramme-metres" which is completely and utterly meaningless in the context of CO2 content in a given volume.

In short, we are all being conned (yet again).

Of course, anyone else is quite welcome to explain things here if they wish...
7

Auckland Arab2,

10/07/2008 13:54:09
Can Gordon Brown and New Liebour afford to alienate 43% of motorists in the curent climate? I doubt it, but let's hope they carry on trying as it will be one more nail in the coffin lid. The madness of the last days of rule know no bounds it seems.
8

elizabeth the first ,

10/07/2008 13:55:34
5. My daughter has an old "k" reg fiat panda, when she starts it first thing in the morning you would not want to be in 500 yds of the thing,the fumes are awful,and yes,it has had a recent service.
9

Derek Emery,

Midlands 10/07/2008 13:59:03
What I find interesting is that Brown does not care how unpopular this and other of his measures are with the public. He doesn't see this as a vote loser especially as it kicks in with bigger increases in 2010. In his alternate reality he sees the recession passing quickly and himself being re-elected for another 4 years as the public are eternally grateful for his presence.
I wonder how his version of reality matches the public's or even that of the average Labour MP's? If labour loses the Glasgow by-election (one of the safest seats) as expected where does this leave other Labour MPs in Scotland? Will they be happy to continue as is?
10

Lock,

10/07/2008 14:06:49
Is it enviromentally friendly for everyone to scrap their old car and buy a new one?

Surely the more mileage you get out of all existing cars, the better?
11

Fredish,

10/07/2008 14:06:51
To be fair to Elizabeth I don't think she was referring to classic cars (whose owners I greatly admire) - but to the cars like the G reg Cavalier I got stuck behind the other day. This car was more Ozone hostile than the entire output of Philips in 1976.
12

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 14:07:33
#8:

With the crazy price of motor insurance for youngsters nowadays (I'm assuming she is a youngster) then an old Fiat Panda is probably about all she can afford. If she is not a youngster then she should know better!

The rediculous price of insurance is mainly due to the existance of companies that promote "no-win, no-fee" claims to encourage people to claim on insurance. If they were outlawed then things would be a lot better, but that is another subject...
13

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 14:14:00
#11:

Ozone!!!

I've not heard that being mentioned for years! If I remember rightly, they reckoned the ozone layer over the Antarctic was being destroyed by Chloro-Flouro-Carbons (CFCs). To be honest, I never really looked into that in detail, probably because it wsn't being used as an excuse to tax the hell out of everyone. It certainly wasn't due to car exhaust emmissions. The only thing concerning cars which affected it was freon-based gases in air conditioning systems.

That resulted in the tightening up of regulations concerning the disposal and maintenance of refrigeration systems and aerosol cans---which was probably a good thing.
14

Gina Gibson,

Wales 10/07/2008 14:15:31
#6 before you chide others for the use of innacurate use of "gm" you should know that the CORRECT SI Unit for mass is Kilogram or kg.

You can check the FACTS at this url:-

http://www.gordonengland.co.uk/conversion/sibase.htm
15

Egg Chasing Ape,

10/07/2008 14:18:55
It is galling to see these measures touted under the 'green' banner. I run a Volvo, which will (as a big car) see a massive increase in its VED over coming years.

However, I do a modest 7k miles a year, half of which is on motorway holiday journeys. I don't do air travel, only train or ferry and my main holiday each year is always in the UK. I need a big car for camping equipment etc and would contend that I make every attempt to be as green in everyday life as I can be!

As stated by others above, this is a ridiculous revenue collecting exercise, which has the governments usual broad brush approach that hits everyone.

If you want to target people who are not prepared to follow a green agenda, then it has to be through taxing excessive use and that means doing away with road tax and having the levy on fuel. It would also stop all the problems with tax dodgers, because everyone would have to use it!
16

Boggle fey the Bog,

10/07/2008 14:32:04
11 Fredish,10/07/2008 14:06:51

Don't knock the Cavalier, I had a '81 'three box' Cavalier, several years ago, and if it is tuned properly and maintained correctly it is less polluting than a lot of so called Modern EF vehicles ;-).

The only prob I had,was the factory fitted sun roof, my then 12 year-old son used to stand on the 'well' with his head poking through it, like a WWII 'tank commander'.

Ahhh,, pure nostalgia, 'open roads, nae rear seat belts, affordable petrol, road tax and insurance!!!

Cram as many weans intae the backseat as ye could, then aff fur a day doon tae Hunstanton,(that's in North Norfolk) tae go tae the Kit-Kat Cafe, aye , pure nostalgia ;-).

And it wis aways sunny in they days ;-)

BOT, the man's a liar, he knew exactly the consequences of the proposed changes in the VED system, but as usual Nu Labour/Owld Torie just don't give an elephants sphincter, for anyone but themselves.

If you live in Glasgow East, now's yer chance to stuff it right up 'em, vote for change , and shut the gate, on Gordon Broon an aw his mates.

Vote SNP on Thurs 24th July.
17

Paddi,

10/07/2008 14:37:56
#9 "oh you are awful" Emery, what ever happened to the five year election term???? or are we only giving GG 4 should he win?
18

Joey Pica,

Gordons Part-Ex Sales 10/07/2008 15:09:25
The extra fiver a week it will cost in VED is what that many will have to pay - 'cause no one will take your car in part-ex or buy it at a reasonable price.
19

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 10/07/2008 15:24:40
GB seems fatally attracted to doing precisely the wrong thing at the wrong time. His Mr Bean title is quite close to the truth really.

Now watch, given the amount of bad press he's had over the 2p/litre tax hike on fuel, as he proceeds with that as well. Big message on the back wall Gordon - we don't like having tax ripped off us at regular intervals in huge amounts for no apparent benefit either hypothecated to road users or for the economy in general.

Also, despite my car (Honda CR-V diesel) looking big it actually gets up to 48mpg! Yet it will be in band H which is part of the increased bands. Nuts. If mpg reflects the efficiency of the motor how can it possibly be emitting more than cars in lower bands? Discuss.

Naturally the people most enthusiastic about keeping these bands and higher taxation on anything that might be burning something are Friends of the Earth. If any group needed its emissions reduced it's this one which seems to have a disproportionate influence on the political breed which wouldn't take much since they love the tax. Economic treason.
20

Itchy,

10/07/2008 16:12:04
"but Friends of the Earth said the Government should "stand firm" over its car tax plans."

There is nothing environmental about this tax. It is just greed from this mean-spirited government and FOE know this.
21

mac77,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 16:12:54
I am a supporter of reducing the number of motor cars and car usage. I initially supported this type of taxation; but unfortunately it just doesn't work. Taxes on motors and fuel have risen dramatically over the last decade, yet there are more and more cars on the road. People need their cars, and higher taxation is only harming those on lower incomes
22

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 16:22:12
#14:

Gina,

Yes, the SI unit for mass is the kilogram. There are 1000 grams to a kilogram. The accepted symbol for "gram" is 'g' and for kilogram is is 'kg'. I know my basic physics so there is no need to preach.

According to the specification for this "green" stuff, the correct terminology is grams per kilometre (g/km). Which although it makes scientific sense, is basically a tax on the fuel consumption of your car, which is criminally opressive.
23

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 16:23:26
#22:

"It is just greed from this mean-spirited government and FOE know this."

Do they? In that case, someone had better tell Duncan McLaren because he doesn't know it.
24

La5t_minit,

10/07/2008 16:39:50
Nice to see that politicians are yet again 'looking after themselves' and doing what they do best. Telling the people to do one thing and taxing the hell out of them whilst they swan about in their own Gas guzzlers with a security crew in a fleet of gas guzzlers in tow. All of them paid for and claimed against on expenses raked in from the same people they are screwing by taxing them again.

Typical politicians BS.

The sooner all policitians get their heads out of the clouds and actually smell the sh*t they are spouting, have the rose tinted glasses they are abviously all wearing removed and get a good hard kick up the ar*e they will never be on the same planet as the rest of the world.

Overpaid, pampered, coniving, theiving rats the lot of them.

25

Iain's,

Barcelona 10/07/2008 16:54:35
Am I alone in thinking that this is a tax on large families?
26

Luke Skywalker,

10/07/2008 16:58:40
27 Yes
27

Joey Pica,

Ersnt Young Building 10/07/2008 17:12:03
#20, PPM2,

£245 a year extra for some family (made nearly worthless) cars. Thats nearly a fiver a week in my accounts book
28

La5t_minit,

10/07/2008 17:12:21
#27 Yes. Its just another way for the government to pay for their own incompetence at the expence of those who cant afford it. Using the 'Green tax' excuse has worn thin to the point of opaque and everyone but the Westminster and Holyrood puppets are the only ones who cant see through it.
29

Jorge,

10/07/2008 17:37:39
Who cares about a carbon footprint?
Just another tax without putting up the basic level of income tax which labour always goes on about.
When China and the USA make an effort about it I might just make an effort to contribute to the future of the planet but until then I do not care a monkeys
30

Biker,

Ayr 10/07/2008 17:49:53
Again Death wish labour ring their final bell. What a load of old codswallop. Who can afford another rise in the cost of running a car?
On top of that the intigrated public transport we were promised so many years ago by ALL parties has resolutely not turned up. We are indeed turning into a third world country.
31

Between the lines,

Scotland 10/07/2008 18:07:22
I disagree with the views of the selfish car-centric lobby evident in the comments above.

The plain truth is that we have to do something now to reduce the emissions that are causing global warming, and therefore I applaud the government for this move (and I am no Labour fan). It's about time people in this country stoppe being so utterly selfish with their car and cheap flight usage and woke up to the realities of issues facing the planet.

32

James.com,

10/07/2008 18:13:41
It took Brown three months to work out what he had done! At first he said that most people were better off! How can a tax on a car you have already bought be "green" .Building a new, less polluting one, would use more CO2 than keeping the one you have got.
33

WSS,

sandbach 10/07/2008 18:20:34
When will Brown face up to the truth? As a PM he is a walking disaster. This so called Green tax will be worse than the 10p as far as low paid people are concerned. Do us all a good turn Brown, resign and give us a chance of surviving the depression.
34

La5t_minit,

10/07/2008 18:24:53
#33 And you will no doubt be aware that Global Warming is a myth and has already been proven to be a raturally occuring cycle of planetary heating/cooling.
Now that we are approaching a normal 'high' from the last ice age is simply proving a point.

I'd love to be around to hear all the excuses when the next ice age comes around in a few thousand years and listen to all the doom and gloom merchants then who blame the lack of CO2 for the planets demise...

What they gonna tax then... Breathing?

Idiots
35

La5t_minit,

10/07/2008 18:32:30
Addition to last.

check this link for data
http://www.scienceinschool.org/repository/images/issue7climate5_large.jpg
36

La5t_minit,

10/07/2008 18:35:38
And once you've looked at the data can someone tell me what cars and industry were around to generate the CO2 spikes 100's of thousands of years ago?. Woudl love to see the excuses for that one from the government and tree hugger brigade.
37

La5t_minit,

10/07/2008 18:51:28
....... and as the tree huggers think some kind of sensible reply I'll crank up the central heating another 2 degrees to try and delay the next ice age for another hour or so..

GLOBAL WARMING.....Its July for crying out loud and its barely warm enough to defrost the freezer with the lid open...
38

Euan,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 19:00:42
It is simply not good enough that the Government are hitting people's wallets EVEN HARDER in these times of high fuel and food prices with their ridiculous proposals for vehicle tax.

It is disgraceful that someone who purchased a certain vehicle seven years ago should now be told 'sorry, you made a bad decision when purchasing your car back then, and because of that, we are going increase your road tax beyond belief'.

Not good enough.

I totally agree with #4, Fuel Head.

These policies are nothing more than blatant revenue gathering tools which the Government is using to help keep itself on the 'green' bandwagon; and while it strives to do this, the good people of the UK are being fleeced EVEN FURTHER by the ignorant Alistair Darling.




39

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/07/2008 19:25:03
Compare the journalism in this piece with the journalism in the LIT articles.

"Just over 44% will pay more%

Presumably not Mr Gunn. Whereas when only 20 odd% will pay more in LIT, the reporters are up in arms.

Can't think why. Hmmmm?

Anyway. What I would like to know is exactly what the treasury intends to do with this extra tax. I do not wish to know what it tells us they are going to do with it.

One thing you can guarantee is that it will not be spent on infrastructure. Iraq maybe but not here.

One other thing I have noticed about Westminster politics is that outgoing governments seem to implement vote losing/tax raising policies to pass on to the the future incumbents of POWER. These are never repealed. And so the gravy train goes on.
40

Wee Wull,

Nr Peebles 10/07/2008 19:37:50
It really is a sick joke to think raising the road tax on Ford Mondeos and similar cars is really going to save the planet. Apart from the inconclusive science about global warming, nothing we do in Britain is going to have the slightest effect.
It is just a thinly disguised tax increase, so why don't they just come out and say so.
If they really meant business they would ban all diesel cars and all cars with engines over 1.3l.
41

Vivas,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 19:49:50
A suitable issue to be raised in "The Margaret Curran Show" tonight.

Whats your position Margaret, given the certain financial impact on so many east end voters ? Your'e against it presumably ?
42

SlyFifer,

California 10/07/2008 20:00:22
The tax gathering mania of the U.K government is truely staggering. Why are people not rioting in the streets. Why do people keep paying for no obvious benifit. By the way. I pay road tax as part of the price of the gas at the pump. So efficient very little bureaurocracy no hideous disc on my windscreen and if I drive a lot, I pay a lot (not really)the tax is low.
A simple system utterly alien to the British.
43

techpunk,

10/07/2008 20:15:39
on one hand, the governments (and i say "governments" deliberately) are plying propaganda to everyone re the state of the earth, and its immediate future. and there are plenty of lay people simply accepting that.

on the other, the energy suppliers are holding back on the real information re current and future supplies, and continue to tell us that we are running out. the oil industry is a very underhand cash cow.

the powerful people at the top are still raking it in. we, the consumers have no choice but to purchase, to the extent that it is further draining us. i sometimes really have to wonder how these people work?

and as for this tax, i remember when a stealth tax was a stealth tax. this is not. everyone can see it.

and now i plan to emigrate to canada.

i hope my gorgeous 1999, 2000cc twin spark alpha romeo gtv can come with me. (220 emission)
44

Between the lines,

Scotland 10/07/2008 21:12:38
La5t_minit, you are no more than a selfish tw*t! Let me guess, do you live in Edinburgh and therefore think that you are immune from reality??
45

Itchy,

10/07/2008 21:21:14
#25 "Do they? In that case, someone had better tell Duncan McLaren because he doesn't know it."

Yes he does know it

#33 "The plain truth is that we have to do something now to reduce the emissions that are causing global warming"

How does this tax reduce the emissions you claim are causing 'Global Warming'?

And what is this 'Do something' drivel? This whole 'climate change' farce is just an excuse for the government to fleece the taxpayer.
46

Itchy,

10/07/2008 21:24:34
#46 you are a fascist tw*t who thinks that 'Global warming' can be taxed away.
47

La5t_minit,

10/07/2008 21:39:48
#46 Yes I am (I'm a politician... Geez yer money n stoap moanin)

No I dont.. My policies mean I can live in London and claim the costs on expences so the likes of you pay for it. My new kitchen and plasma TV in my hummer are lovely by the way... Thanks

And yes I am as people like you are happy to pay for my version of it anyway.. Poor sole.
48

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 10/07/2008 22:22:49
The government have crossed the line again... Civil War is just around the corner.
49

Iainbroch,

10/07/2008 23:12:17
re 44

Sheep dont riot! They dont use riot as the colective noun for sheep. They use the noun - flock!
Also the citizens here dont have any constitutional rights to bear arms like the people who will probably put a bullet in Obama?
Also devising a simple system of taxation will result in loss of jobs in Oinskville, London!
50

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 10/07/2008 23:12:19

I am a regular guy with a good education but non university from my limited understanding all I can see is I have been taxed of the road .

Is this what the government wants I think yes so watch out Mr BMW it was my mondeo but you are next
51

Iainbroch,

Moray 10/07/2008 23:18:35
Whats infrastruture? Do you mean roads without holes? Do you mean trains and buses that run on time?Do you mean public transportation facilities that are cheaper to use than my wee clio is at present?
They have infrastructure some places but it will not be here in my life time?
Oh idiot me - they mean an expensive tram system in Edinbra!
52

jimb4abobor2,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 23:18:44
the goverment has just took one step closer to civil war? do they not think the overall cost's of this for example all the people on motobility will recieve free road tax no matter the size of the vechicle so thell lose out on that two a lot of people whom rely on cars for business will suffer our childminders= cant take your children and the people will lose there job as they will have to stay at home to watch there own kids the sick whom rely on nhs minibus service to get to and from hospital truckers small delivery companys need i go on the goverment talk about a green tax if this goes through they will paralize the country. i dont think it's the public that should be drug tested i think they should check the parliment to as i think there in cyberspace with some of there ridiculous ideas
53

Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/07/2008 23:26:59
33 - yep let's all return to the 19th century.
54

Iainbroch,

Moray 10/07/2008 23:27:04
re 32

I cant afford to drive my clio at present. I cant even afford to take a 20 mile bus journey 6 days a week because it is actually more expensive than running my clio - hardly a gas guzzler either!
I can see the flares of oil rigs from the window of my house at night. I think - I am getting screwed - the whole nation of Scotland is getting screwed and the Unionist megaphones keep spewing thier lies.

55

Neo,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 23:34:08
How much longer will we have to suffer the Labour Government? Time for a change in Government.
Neo
56

Mong basher,

10/07/2008 23:36:48
As usual this atest tax idea is a bunch of purile tripe coming from half assed people. Why is it no one in this country has a brain.

Tax on fuel taxes in exact ratio to the ammount of CO ones car emits. THe more fuel your car uses the more you pay. Attempting to help the environment by increasing car tax is bull because the size of your emissions in a factory test is no indicator of whta you will actually emit over the course of a year.

A rangerover driver who does 5000 miles around town will probably use less fuel and emit less carbon than a micra driver who lives in the country and does 20,000 miles a year.

Also, FoE who think this is such a great idea are just as much a bunch of tubes. Forcing the market to produce more fuel efficient cars is one thing, but car production has a carbon footprint too and throwing away a prefectly useful car just because it doesn;t meet GBs idea of what kind of car is good for the environment (see above) is not good for the environment.

In addition any of this is rendered obsolete by the outrageous cinsumption of fossil fuels by USA, China and India.

This idea is total cr*p and anyone with a brain can see it. I fail to understand how humans can be this moronic.

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Mong basher,

10/07/2008 23:44:45
This country is fecked. Independance is the only answer. And even then with a powerful government not a bunch of socialist whingers like the SNP.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/07/2008 23:54:48
Are there no depths to which this corrupt cabal will not stoop?
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Chris W,

Argyll 13/07/2008 10:21:33
Hopefully the voters of Glasgow East will save us all from this lunacy by giving Labour a good kicking on July 24th.

 

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