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Published Date: 26 July 2009
THEY came in their tens of thousands, from the old world and the new, a tide of tartan marching down the Royal Mile to Edinburgh's Holyrood Park.
Scotland's clans and lowland families last mustered like this when novelist Sir Walter Scott coaxed King George IV north of the Border in 1822. But yesterday's gathering of more than 30,000 people was far bigger than its 19th century predecessor. By last night fully 124 clans and families were said to be represented in the Park for a Highland Games that preceded an 8,000-strong clansmen's evening march back up the Royal Mile to the castle.

View a gallery of pictures from the Gathering

The Homecoming Year Gathering, launched by Prince Charles at Holyrood Palace, attracted visitors, as the Scottish Government had hoped, from across the world. Pouroto Ngaropo, a 40-year-old of Scots and Maori descent, travelled to the events from Whakatane, Bay of Plenty, in New Zealand. "Maoris and the Scots are very similar people – we have a clan system, too," said Ngaropo, who has a traditional moko, or tattoo, across his face. "I lead a hapu, or sub-tribe, of 841 people and we have many similar rituals, including long wakes."

Dick Boyd from Stratham, New Hampshire, said the meeting provoked strong emotion.

"This is a coming home for me, as I can trace my family back to the Clan Macintosh in the 1100s," said Boyd, his eyes welling with tears. "I am a direct descendent of the Seventh Earl of Kilmarnock and we Scots Americans are fiercely proud of our roots."

As the clans gathered in the tented village in Holyrood Park, the parliament hosted a Diaspora Forum.

The lead speaker, Scottish historian Professor Tom Devine, bemoaned what he called a "national education scandal", arguing that Scots knew far too little about their past.

He was speaking after the Culture Minister Mike Russell had welcomed delegates from all over world and told them of the Scottish Government's efforts to maximise the benefits from developing the relationship between Scotland and the 40 million expats across the world.

Devine said: "Our population is so... historically illiterate because of the glaring inadequacies of the teaching of the nation's past and culture."


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1

Fifi la Bonbon,

26/07/2009 00:09:08
Mister Salmond doesn't do kilts. His legs are not what you'd call "heroic" and he's probably a bit sensitive about it - he's no Jack McConnell.

I am glad to hear that Mrs Salmond got a day out.
2

DialMforMurdoX,

26/07/2009 00:13:43
Salmond wore a kilt at the Tartan Day parade in New York last year.

Excellent day all round, big boost for tourism and a reconnection with lost family members.
3

Fifi la Bonbon,

26/07/2009 00:28:43
Ooh - are there photos?
4

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dhu loch,

Inveraray, Campbell country 26/07/2009 00:37:59
Wouldn't trust a MacDonald as far as I could throw him!...But suppose Gordon will say this gathering of waring clans is proof of the Union dividend?
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subrosa,

26/07/2009 01:09:28
I can be very critical of this paper these days, but I must applaud their inclusion of the photographs. Many thanks.
8

Ronald Penman,

Glasow 26/07/2009 01:16:21
ANOTHER TRIUMPH FOR SIR ECK ! AND CAN'T YOU JUST HEAR THE KNASHING OF NEW LABOUR/OLD TORY TEETH AT WHAT BY ANY STANDARD HAS BEEN A BLOOMIN TRIUMPH

EVERYTHING SIR ECK AND CO TURNS TO GOLD, WHILST EVERYTHING "MAGGIE" CO COME INTO CONTACT WITH TURNS TO DUST IN THEIR HANDS.

CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE YON WEE JOCKY MacCONNEL TURNING
UP IN THAT DRESS AGAIN?
9

Castaway™ ,

26/07/2009 02:31:24
#1/#2 Don't be jealous of the Scottish people.
10

Real Labour,

26/07/2009 03:25:01
9 it sickens me to say, all the whooping and hollering from the Alleged "Scots" (I doubt any are outside the M25) Labour supporters such as fifi, rufus and Captain Man-drinka has taught me to stop being a sheep and value my countries valuable input into the modern world. The slagging of this project got the other day there from fifi, Rufus etc was shocking, then remarks like "I as a real scot..." WTF?
Thanks you've just recruited another for the SNP.

Bunch of sell outs, cretins and crumb fishers.
11

Am Fògarrach,

26/07/2009 03:40:38
It makes me very happy that so many people who identify themselves with Scotland came "home", and seem to be enjoying themselves. This will give priceless exposure to Scotland in the many paces these people live. Pity about the Edinburgh trash situation, but these people seem very pleased with the welcome they got and the other things they saw. Goodwill will be very important for independent Scotland, and this has certainly increased it.

6 Dhu Loch - "Wouldn't trust a MacDonald as far as I could throw him!" Congratulations to you for showing an unfortunate element of Scottish character: holding a grudge for generations. Get over it and join the 21st century.

1 Group Captain Cedric Kessler from the Black Lagoon -
Are you implying all Scotsmen should wear the kilt? If you knew anything abot Scots history, you would know that few Scotsmen ever did. It is a compliment to the Gaeltachd that many of our countrynmen have adopted it as a way of showing they are unashmedly Scottish.

2 Fifi - See post #3.

Finally, thanks to the Scotsman for the coverage and pictures. You're not all bad.
12

Am Fògarrach,

26/07/2009 03:45:27
Sorry, it should read "many PLACES these people live."

Also, it should read "If you knew anything ABOUT Scots history".

My typing leaves much to be desired.
13

Am Fògarrach,

26/07/2009 03:56:30
I just looked at the Scotsman's gallery of pictures. They FINALLY got the titles of the Duke and Duchess of Rothesay correct. Miracles happen.

Titles might not mean much in Scotland, but they mean a helluva lot more than English titles used here.
14

Castaway™ ,

26/07/2009 04:13:24
#1/#2 - Don't be envious of the Scottish people, let them enjoy themselves and let them be proud of their country, its history and achievements.

P.S. To The Scotsman newspapers, thanks for the photos of the Gathering.
15

Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 26/07/2009 07:46:16
There's a certain delicious symmetry here.

Walter Scott invents tartanry to integrate a certain sort of 'scotchness' in to the Empire; the empire is long gone and Scottishness is flourishing as Scotland emerges slowly but surely back into the world.


16

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

26/07/2009 08:20:18
Let us not forget why we have such a Diaspora in the first place.

Suas Alba!
17

John Cameron,

St Andrews 26/07/2009 08:23:04
The presence of the clan chiefs at the Homecoming is the equivalent of inviting the slave ship owners to a Black Pride Day in Mississippi. Nicol's iconic painting "Lochaber No More" is an enduring reminder to those of us named Cameron of what happened in our clan lands in Lochaber. The present clan chiefs are always warbling on that the "Clearances" should be forgotten. FAT CHANCE!! To some extent we are in the position of the descendants of former slaves in the USA. Africans have done infinitely better in the US than they could ever have done had they remained in Africa so many of them view the passage across the Atlantic with a degree of ambivalence. But no one insists that they erase it from their folk memory. Perhaps the bitterest thought is that they were betrayed by their own people who sold them originally to the Arab slavers who then sold them on to the white seamen. Camerons such as myself are well aware that we have done much better in the USA and elsewhere than we would have done had we remained in Lochaber but we also remember the treachery of Lochiel. When he kicked my predecessors out of their homes it was NOT done benevolently. The fact that we have prospered in the decades since is OUR achievement and we owe nothing, especially any sense of allegiance, to his successors.
18

MoiraMac,

26/07/2009 08:32:46
I think that Homecoming Scotland is brilliant! 'Ceud Mille Failte' to all expats. I hope they have it every year. Haste ye back!
I love the logo the graphics the website and everything about Homecoming Scotland. Well done!
The parade up the Royal Mile was just amazing!
Celebrating Scotland brings joy to my heart.
Expats: Please try to avoid the Tartan Tat shops with the bloody music blaring and all the clobber out in the street, they are a pain in the **** and have no respect for local people. Thanks
19

MoiraMac,

26/07/2009 08:38:08
The photographs are fantastic. Excellent work!
20

drunken proffet,

Tassy 26/07/2009 08:44:59
Well it should give you a feel of how folk felt to be Scots fifty years ago. You never know in another ten or twenty years you could get the same feeling.
21

mangerton,

Dundee 26/07/2009 08:47:11
John Cameron - you're absolutely right. My forebears were deported to Ireland when the border reivers were kicked out. I expect my clan chiefs, being the ringleaders, were among the first on the boats!

Quote from the report: '"This is a coming home for me, as I can trace my family back to the Clan Macintosh in the 1100s," said Boyd'

Well, good for Boyd, as long as he's happy. I doubt it very much, though. I've lived in Scotland all my life and I can't trace back further than about 200 years. It's comments like his that bring genealogy and the whole ancestry thing into disrepute.
22

MoiraMac,

26/07/2009 08:48:16
#1 #4
Idiots!

I wish the Scotsman would put the latest post at the top then we wouldn't have to read the garbage posted by idiots who choose to hack into the site just in order to get attention!
Is Rufus now called Cedric?

#21 You sound bitter! What's wrong poppet?
23

Group Captain Lionel Mamdrake,

26/07/2009 09:24:35
I see Rufus has not commented here.
Guess he's a bit scared one of the clans could find him and stuff a sword up his backside! LOL
24

Group Captain Lionel Mamdrake,

26/07/2009 09:26:24
# 23 = Group Captain Lionel Mandrake as far as I know.
Allthough he maybe use Cedric also.
25

Group Captain Lionel Mamdrake,

26/07/2009 09:30:51
#23
Should say in 25: Rufus = Group Captain Lionel Mandrake
Sorry!
26

Observer,,

Glasgow 26/07/2009 10:03:05
26 No Rufus is Cedric Kessler and Smee is Group Captain Lionel Mandrake, and you should get your own moniker, fake.
27

Scotfree,

Erskine 26/07/2009 10:29:57
One should note that the English controlled media continue their long run policy of cultural genocide against the Scottish people, their language and traditions. Whereas the London Mayors show, the Trooping of the Colours or the Glastonbury Music Festival enjoy limitless budgets hours of live reporting and hundreds of staff resources an event such as this is barely mentioned. Anyone who has visited Canada will be aware the Highland games there enjoy hours of live reporting. But Canada is a free country. It is hardly surprising the so many will travel so far to be a part of such a well organized and thought out gathering which is only taking place because for the first time in 300 years we have a government in Scotland that puts Scotland first. However the enemies of Scotland and the Scottish people can be assured that political liberation will in short measure lead to a free Scottish owned media and the elimination of all those who have contributed to and profited from the denial of Scottish freedom
28

Kenny A,

26/07/2009 10:35:25
22 manergton

I would not be so hasty as to dismiss Boyds comments. There are a fair few differences in Scottish culture. In the Gaelic lands you are known by your own name followed by your fathers, grandfathers etc. On one side of my family we can trace it back a serious long way.

It was researched properly and verified by the university of Edinburgh. The other side only about 500 odd years. There are many instances of this in the North and Isles as names and linages were both remembered and documented in the past.
29

Rollo Tommasi,

26/07/2009 11:04:33
Before we start congratulating ourselves too much about this weekend, I should offer a few words about the Highland Games event yesterday and today. my wife and I were there yesterday.

The stands around the games were full and people seemed to be enjoying it. We focused on the music, which was fantastic (Julie Fowlis in particular never lets you down).

But most of the comments we heard from people around us were about the constant queuing for anything. The ticket office was a precursor for things to come. Only 4 booths (only 2 of which accepted credit cards). Understandably many overseas visitors needed time to be told what was inside and whether the tickets allowed access to other events. Result? Really slow queue.

Inside was worse. We waited 45 mins to get a spot of lunch from one outlet. But every food and drink outlet faced equally slow queues. It was clear to us that many people were shortening their visit because they couldn’t bear the thought of facing more “lines” (as our American friends described them) to do anything more, including at the Taste of Scotland section. Needless to say, food and drink options available from the outlets were almost universally in the form of steaks, burgers or (at best) toasties. Why no smoothie bars or salad bars, or instance? A perfect opportunity to showcase healthier Scottish living ruined.

All in all, not the best representation of warm, welcoming and organised Scottish hospitality for our many overseas visitors.
30

JohnBowes,

26/07/2009 11:04:46
Be honest, a high percentage of these people will have no connection to Scotland.

A few years back a study concluded that a high percentage of Americans who claimed Scottish descent NEVER had any.

As for descent these people will have innumerous points of descent. They will be a wee bit of everything.

Homecoming? A high percentage have never been here before. WHO are they kidding?
31

JohnBowes,

26/07/2009 11:05:34
The clan chiefs? Its all about MONEY. Are people THICK?
32

JohnBowes,

26/07/2009 11:07:38
Andybody can claim anything eh? Names mean ZERO. One can change ones name overnight - many Americans do.
33

JohnBowes,

26/07/2009 11:10:37
Scotland does NOT have a clan system. That's a load of manure.
34

JohnBowes,

26/07/2009 11:14:14
As for baing a direct descendent of someone in say 1100 there will be MILLIONS if not more people who are descended from such a person. Again, are people thick? WHO else are they descended from? Umpteen nationalities eh?

DId they visit Glasgows east end and places like Broomhill in Greenock?
35

jdships,

Edinburgh 26/07/2009 11:20:33
22 mangerton,Dundee

"Well , good for Boyd, as long as he's happy. I doubt it very much, though. I've lived in Scotland all my life and I can't trace back further than about 200 years. It's comments like his that bring genealogy and the whole ancestry thing into disrepute "

Says it all IMO !
So many North Americans I meet have "family trees" based on "assumptions" .
pre 18th C proving ancestry becomes extremely frustrating/difficult .
Unfortunately there will always be a "Brigadoon" element to these occasions .
36

Mobat,

26/07/2009 11:20:50
Met some American friends after the event last night, They ad a couple of neg comments but nothing major. They've all come across for about 2-3 weeks a parted with a fair bit cash. They had a great time yesterday met some folk from the states they knew through websites, and others through their 'clan'. They said they would happily come back and do it again. Good fun had by them, a few lessons taught to the organisers. Why not make it a regular event, say every 5 years. would that be such a bad thing?
37

westenders999,

26/07/2009 11:29:33
I was wondering how a popular event like this with thousands of people enjoying themselves could be turned into an example of Scottish victimhood and yes! #28 has managed.
Those English. Inventing the Glastonbury festival to exclusively celebrate their own culture and have the gall to televise it. They then completely ignore T in the Park
Trooping the Colour feature the "Scots Guards". The clue is in the name re Scottish representation. I don't remember seeing a Lord Mayor's show.
Maybe you could write to the PM or chancellor to ask for a discussion hosted by Kirsty Wark, Jim Naughtie, Eddie Mair, Nicky Campbell or Andrew Neill about how Scots are denied access to positions of power or influence.
38

nvlawyer,

What's In a Name? 26/07/2009 11:30:06
There are too many writing here who challenge the Clan System and Symbols of Scotland, such as the Tartan and the Clan Chiefs. These lands were settled and evolved because of the clan system, right or wrong. We own our history -- right or wrong. Clan Chiefs must live with the good and the bad of their ancestors. The point is what will the next 500 years bring and what will WE do to improve on the system rather than how can we further destroy it? I think building a bridge is more courageous than throwing stones at it. The bridge of the clan system has delivered us this far, now let's make sure it stays in place for all times and becomes more relevant -- not less relevant -- to our children.
39

Ted & Janet,

Belwood Canada (Twined with Blairgowie) 26/07/2009 11:42:04
I am sure that my wife who is Edinburgh born and educated would have loved to come to this reunion, alas she is not in any Clan that she knows of, she says the Clan system is one of people with lots of Money, ie Mostly high brow Americans, so its easy to say they are descended from people who where asked to leave Scotland by English Landlords so many years ago, alas it was a question of not having enough Money to attend this event in our case as well as the worry of the "Swine flu" that is an ongoing concern. We will attend our local Highland Games in August and listen to the Music played there as well as local Radio Programs that are on AM Radio every Sunday afternoon, we wil never forget where we came from, but life must go on.
40

Ally Broughton,

Edinburgh 26/07/2009 11:43:32
#30 couldn't agree more

whilst Homecoming Scotland and The Gathering have their many critics, what I witnessed yesterday at the event made my blood boil. The queues for entering the event were outrageous, clearly not enough ticket booths for the volume of people and a lot of elderly visitors having to queue for a VERY long time...

and then into the event... you would think that the flagship event for Homecoming Scotland would have showcased the incredible food and drink produced both locally and across the country?? but no, it would appear that organisers of this event went for the cash rather than promote Scotland. Supreme catering provided a scattering of fast food units selling the lowest denominator in food. Tacky signage shamelessy declaired 'Finest Burgers', 'Finest Coffee', 'Finest Steak' and my personal favourite the traditional Scottish 'Finest Doughnuts' van, if visitors were looking for the real 'Scottish' experience, they certainly got it, as they queued for an hour to get chips, burgers and bottles of coke. The organisers of should be ashamed in what they provided visitors to this event and Homecoming Scotland should be embarrased that they failed in their responsability to promote local farmers, businesses and Scottish food and drink produce.

I could go on and on about this, but I think the sight of Heineken Lager and Kopperberg Cider flags flying above the bars at this event promoting 'Scotland' sums up exaclty how wrong the organisers got it.
41

Jock E,

Edinburgh 26/07/2009 11:47:21
#28 Scotfree (and a few others)

What utter drivel you write. You turn observations of a well intentioned Scottish event into an anti English diatribe. God help us if vacuous, ignorant idiots like you ever get power in Scotland.
42

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 26/07/2009 12:40:24
#43 Please tell me that you are not in agreement with the following from the fruitcake at #28.
"However the enemies of Scotland and the Scottish people can be assured that political liberation will in short measure lead to a free Scottish owned media and the elimination of all those who have contributed to and profited from the denial of Scottish freedom"
He talks about Cultural Genocide you talk about Cultural Imperialism,you cannot be serious.
Please remember that many of these people are Unionists from the United Staes Of America.
43

MoiraMac,

26/07/2009 12:51:30
The reports I saw on News 24 and the the Ten o'clock news about these events were absolutely dreadful.
Thankfully I saw the parade with my own eyes. It was bloody marvellous!

All the moaners are really digging deep this morning to find something negative to say.
Big Kiss for Alex! He looks good in his tartan trews!

Group Captain Lionel Mamdrake-I had to look carefully to spot the difference!
44

westenders999,

26/07/2009 13:22:05
#46. Priceless. Not only are they perpetrators of cultural genocide, now they are comparable with Nazis. You'll be relieved to know that Byres Road did not have tanks rolling up it (at least not this morning). Maybe they're being more subtle about it with macintoshed agents whispering "flower of Scotland" in people's ear as they board buses and see who starts humming along to it - the devils know that kind of thing catches Scots out.
Standing up for Scotland is good. Living in some make believe tartan bubble isn't.
45

Dav,

Edinburgh 26/07/2009 13:25:59
For all the Scottishness on display there seems to be a fair amount of cultural dilution. 124 different teams mingling in a field in Holyrood Park and no any fighting must be a record. Surely it’s not a tea-total affair. Still, there is always today and as pointed out by #44 MacGregor Despite Them All, there is 300 events ongoing throughout and plenty of time to get things sorted out. BTW, I always thought the MacGregor’s were a tasty lot and liked a bit of a carry on.

I tend to agree with the reminders from John Cameron, St Andrews #13 in Saturday’s Scotser - Homecoming: Flinging in the rain, but riled by the rubbish and #18 on this article. Absolutely undeniable comments and should really dispel all the romantic tosh of happy clansmen gathering under a family banner. Were the ancestors of the Duke of Sutherland’s tenants all dancing about celebrating his understanding and generosity? Aye right!

#30 and #41, Rollo and Ally unfortunately point out a few serious let downs which with a bit of thought could really have been seen too.

Hope it all goes well though and that the visitors at least enjoyed a wee bit.
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JohnBowes,

26/07/2009 13:39:32
I quote

whilst Homecoming Scotland and The Gathering have their many critics, what I witnessed yesterday at the event made my blood boil. The queues for entering the event were outrageous, clearly not enough ticket booths for the volume of people and a lot of elderly visitors having to queue for a VERY long time...

End of quote

Yes, it was ALL about MONEY....

Clans? What a load of turkish delight....
47

JohnBowes,

26/07/2009 13:42:41
As I said a high percentage of Amercans claim Scottish descent. AND its bogus claims.

AND they - Americans - ARE generally descended from UMPTEEN countries. How can anyone say otherwise? AND as I said, NAMES mean ZERO.

I ahve relatives who are plastic paddies. They claim Irish descent BUT they also have English descent - but fail to mention that.
48

JohnBowes,

26/07/2009 13:45:12
Do people remember Idi Amin (Uganda)? He claimed to be Scottish as well. He said he was the King of Scotland.

In truth, if he turned up here he would have been "done in".
49

MartinR,

Oban 26/07/2009 14:57:35
Great to see Prince Charles open the event, reflecting the Hanovarian roots of so much of Scottish life!

Great day!
50

Pilrig,

Livingston 26/07/2009 15:37:27
22 - "can't trace further back than 200 years". Unfortunately that can be the case sometimes. An Aussie pal of mine was tracing her Aberdeenshire roots going through the Old Parish Registers, unfortunately a few pages of the register she was interested had been nibbled away by a church mouse ! C'est la vie !
51

Pilrig,

Livingston 26/07/2009 15:39:05
31 - and the evidence for your percentages ?
52

Pilrig,

Livingston 26/07/2009 15:39:57
31 -35 - an embittered North Brit writes...
53

Pilrig,

Livingston 26/07/2009 15:41:57
50 of course money is connected with it - how the hell do you finance and pay for things otherwise ? doh !!
54

Iain Mac,

26/07/2009 17:31:02
Went along today. Was well worth the £15 to see...

Dougie Maclean - the guy is a gent, down to earth and has many good tunes.

Dozens of barrel shaped Americans and Scots looking like cannonballs in kilts.

Dave Broom and Charlie Maclean's whisky tasting - 6 quality drams for £0.

Good to Gaelic being used too on a lot of the signs.
55

Iain Mac,

26/07/2009 17:33:12
Also saw some Asians there, some black girls and heard a few English accents. Not claiming to be any 'clan', just enjoying the day.
56

Jaime,

Scotland 26/07/2009 17:41:12
I was just wondering whether, now that the Government have decided it's cheaper to allow illegal immigrants to stay in the UK on benefits, rather than send them home once their legal-aided appeals against deportation have been exhausted, and also to allow ALL illegal immigrants, all 1 million of them, to have unrestricted access to the NHS, the Government shouldn't also give them the right to vote in local, national, and European elections so that they don't feel discriminated against.
57

woodchopper,

USA 26/07/2009 17:51:46
Americans change their name if very true for various of reasons. I have tried to trace my ancestry and went back to almost 200 yrs. Both maternal and paternal families are Scottish Highlanders. My ancestoral clan was that one up in the far Northwestern Scotland. In fact the only clan I haven't found in our family is Grant.

However it is nice to celebrate one's history and customs and we do in the states also.

Enjoyed the pictures, Oh, yes many Americans changed their names. We all claim to be of royal heritage but in reality we aren't.
58

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 26/07/2009 18:08:43
The late, great, Dick Hillson of NTS (Grampian)fame, used to tell the tale of the American lady who spent ten thousand dollars on tracing her Scottish ancestral roots. Then spent another ten thousand trying to hide them again!
59

cambeuluk,

England 26/07/2009 18:17:29
I am a Scot (honest!), but spent several years living and working in New Zealand. Before this I was always a little sceptical of people in other parts of the world who claimed to be 'Scottish', but seemed to have little in-common with Scotland and its culture. Sure, for some, their link with Scotland may be tenuous, but in New Zealand I met with many Pakeha (white European) New Zealanders who were still fiercely proud of their proven heritage. What touched me deeply were the Maori's who could trace their family line through to Scottish roots and were proud to do so. Several of my Maori friends bore Scottish surnames such as 'Cameron', 'Morrison' and 'Campbell'. The Maori interviewed in the article is absolutely correct - the Maori people *do* have a great deal in-common with the Scots - they are a warrior people, have a similar sense of community and loyalty and are suspicious of pretentiousness. Oh and it may be of-interest to some posting here that my surname is Campbell and my wife is a MacDonald - born and educated in Scotland :)
60

Pilrig,

Livingston 26/07/2009 18:28:46
Don't know aboot the day but Saturday at Holyrood Park was a bloody enjoyable day - pity aboot the queues for the refreshment and food caravans but other than that - excellent, all good vibes around. God bless Scotland ! Whingers stick tae watchin Big Brother & Jeremy Kyle.
61

Sgian Achlais,

26/07/2009 19:16:38
I went and had an excellent day apart from the traffic jam at bankfoot.

I enjoyed wearing my kilt out in Edinbugh amongst like minded civilised people. Although we cannot escape all the politics surrounding the state of Scotland and its past good and bad times.

We should also be able to go out and enjoy the day out celebrating our shared heritage and history. I noted many Lowland and Highland Scots accents fully kilted as well as posh English and a massive amount of international supporters of Scotland and the Scottish people.

We should be thankful that so many people worldwide value what Scotland is and was. It must have costs a fortune for some of these family groups to come all this way to celebrate our shared roots.

Our nation has friends all over the world and we should take pride in the love our little country and people generate in such a diverse diaspora of people of Scottish decent.

I think the advertising of the event within Scotland lacked any real attempt to generate great numbers of people to attend and yet they did.

Ever better the sun was shining and the people were smiling. What can be wrong with that.
62

westenders999,

26/07/2009 20:50:59
#66
I'll give you some clues. Let me know if you're still having trouble.

1) Nazis. Referring to the parallel you made in #46 between French Freedom fighters and Germans on one hand and Scots and English on the other

2) Byres Road. A road in Glasgow. Quite well known.

3) In case you had not got the bit about the bus, it was referring to the infamous Gordon Jackson "Good Luck" moment from the Great Escape as he boarded the bus but adapted for how you see the English

4) Tartan Bubble. Where you live. Gives a very distorted view of the world to people in it. It does not mean a real bubble but a mental state.

Hope that helps
63

Brianwci,

26/07/2009 21:50:09
The feeling of Scottishness was overpowering yesterday. Kilts everywhere you looked, flags of all descriptions including of course many Saltires and the nearest we came to a union jack was as part of the Aussie and New Zealand flags.

Encouraging was the large number of young people wearing kilts and Saltire garments from toddlers to 30+, i.e. not just a bunch of old duffers who will be gone in a generation or two at best.

Independence hung in the air, waiting to be called on stage.
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chickenhawk,

Massachusetts, USA 27/07/2009 01:07:40
My ancestor, Duncan Stewart, was captured by Cromwell's forces and sent to the colonies in 1654. I do believe he would have preferred to stay in Scotland. Scotland has a fantastic history and heritage. I have been there 3 times and wished I could have been there for this celebration. I am the commissioner for Clan Stewart America in the New England states. At local Scottish festivals I set up to hand out info on the Stewarts. I also have a sign up that says, "THE UNITED STATES IS BASICALLY A SCOTTISH CREATION".....! With a couple of well written books on the impact of the Scots on Canada, Australia, and the U.S. I can make that claim. Maybe you should start reading some history lads!
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Beth Boyle,

NY 27/07/2009 08:05:51
I sure wish I had been there but at least I could go to the Edinboro Highland Festival in Pennsylvania and dream this weekend!
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westenders999,

27/07/2009 20:06:51
#71. I quote you're earlier post (no. 45):
"Standing up for Scotland will of course bring these unjustified attacks. Were French freedom fighters anti German?"

The adversaries of the French freedom fighters were soldiers from the then Nazi Germany. The parallel you try to make with Scotland/England is clear. Not a comparison to my taste but each to their own.

I used Byres Road simply as a well known road - I needed to pick one and that one sprung to mind first. Replace with another if you prefer.

No issue with Scots. I am half one after all and had the good fortune to live in Scotland and England. The Gordon Jackson point was simply to show how ludicrous your earlier comparison of England and wartime Germany is.

And about the anti-English bit, try reading my earlier post at #37. I thought the celebrations were good fun and very glad they were enjoyed by so many. What I object to is comments like #27 which turn a fantastic day out that anyone can enjoy into a bile-filled political rant.

And have I offended millions of Germans? I'm not qualified to say for certain but I suspect they would just have preferred you hadn't raked up the whole freedom fighter/Germany thing up and probably preferred it if I had simply ignored it. And offended millions of Scots? Doubt it somehow - haven't seen a million offended posts yet.

There is no surer sign of an argument being lost than when the personal insults fly and you've certainly dished out plenty if them.

 

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