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Labour considers 'suicide' election



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Published Date: 27 July 2008
PANICKING Labour ministers are considering a 'suicide election' to give the party a fresh start under a new leader, following their humiliating defeat at the hands of the SNP in the Glasgow East by-election.
Senior figures disillusioned with Gordon Brown want a senior Cabinet minister to take over the party leadership and head immediately to the polls either this autumn or next spring, even if defeat is the likely option.

They believe such a move would be better than Brown clinging on to office until 2010 when, they fear, the party would face a wipe-out on the scale of that inflicted on the Tories by Labour in 1997. Jack Straw, the Lord Chancellor, is being touted as the ideal stop-gap leader.

There were claims last night that MPs close to Straw were actively seeking support on behalf of the Justice Secretary.

One Labour MP is reported as claiming that backbencher George Howarth had told him Straw was "ready to tell Gordon that the game was up" so long as he had enough backing.

The Justice Secretary's spokesman insisted last night, however, that Straw had "not sanctioned this behaviour", adding that MPs needed to "calm down" over the crisis.

One minister said: "The worst case scenario for the Labour Party is that we carry on with Gordon as leader and then have an election at the time of his choosing.

"If we got rid of him and went for an immediate option, that would still be a better result for us than waiting for him. There is no one in the Labour Party who is capable of running the party worse than him."

"This isn't about Gordon any more," said another senior party figure. "This is about the Labour Party and the number of people who are looking at their jobs."

Other reports suggested one contender for the job, James Purnell, had formed a pact with Foreign Secretary David Miliband, promising not to stand in his way if Miliband stood following a Brown resignation.

One senior Scottish party figure said of the 'suicide' option: "We get it over now and we don't allow the Tories to build a swing like the one we had in 1997. The way things are going, we are heading for a Tory Party victory on the scale of 1997."

Last night, one Government source opposed to Brown said: "The Cabinet now has to do something. What is Alistair Darling going to do and what is Jack Straw going to do? We have to get rid of him. There is no support for him staying."

Those who back deposing Brown say that, even if they were to lose the snap election, it would be better than staying on in power. They say David Cameron's Conservatives would be forced into power without having prepared enough for the tough economic times ahead.

The panic move has gained credence after Labour's stunning slide was confirmed when the party lost Glasgow East, its 25th safest seat in Britain, to the SNP by 365 votes.

Labour MPs south of the border are thought to be demanding that the party effectively gives up on Scotland and sets about trying to win back middle England.

Sources close to the Prime Minister claimed that plotters were effectively throwing in the towel to the Tories.

Brown is coming under increasing pressure to provide an immediate package of economic relief. Union leaders who gathered at the party's national forum in Warwick yesterday declared their backing for a windfall tax on energy companies whose profits have increased as prices have risen.

More bad news for Brown came last night in an opinion poll which showed Labour trailing in third place among voters in the Tories' top 30 target constituencies. The survey, carried out by analysts CrosbyTextor, saw Labour slump to just 17% – 24 points behind the Tories and one worse off than the Lib Dems.

It is a disastrous turnaround for the governing party, which had a six point lead in the same poll a year ago, when Brown was enjoying a honeymoon period as a new PM.




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1

AJ Fife,

27/07/2008 00:20:18
The political earthquake continues!!

Another big well done to Mr Salmond and the team. The way the SNP are now shaping UK politics is a joy to behold!
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karinxxx,

27/07/2008 00:28:08
here kenny farquarson said last week


43 Kenny Farquharson,20/07/2008 21:29:10
# 42 Jock

In almost 20 years of reporting Scottish politics I've been wrong about lots of things! If I'm wrong I'll be writing my mea culpa next Sunday.

could anyone point me in the direction of this mea culpa?
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 00:28:12
Would be nice to see the SNP bringing down a second labour government in a row!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

27/07/2008 00:49:23
My earlier posts disappeared.

I wonder who that could be????

A very sore loser perhaps????

Or an odious clown???

Will we ever find out???? :0)
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 00:49:58
#4 Well last time I checked Scotland was part of the UK (unfortunately) so they're perfectly able to do that.
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Wee Pal Joe,

27/07/2008 00:50:46
If you think there'll soon be a "suicide election" you should get down the bookies and put money on it. Don't hold your breath waiting on a pay-out though.
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 00:56:45
#9 'You're wrong. Scotland doesn't hold the majority of seats of the UK when you last looked.'

Well since I didn't say that, I can't be wrong can about it, can I?
Perhaps your understanding of english is letting you down.
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Eric D,

Scotland 27/07/2008 01:07:18
ZaNuLab are finished. They have wrecked society and betrayed the very people they were supposed to represent. The SNP can only offer the same repackaged failed policies, granted with a tartan twist . The Tories should disband and a new right of centre party should emerge to offer a proper alternative.
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 01:08:05
#12 I'd advise you against putting words into my mouth as anyone who wishes to can simply look at my posts above and see that you are lying.
If you wish to make yourself look ridiculous though, please go right ahead.
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the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 27/07/2008 01:10:56
"This isn't about Gordon any more," said another senior party figure. "This is about the Labour Party and the number of people who are looking at their jobs."

I can only say that if Labour had looked after their voters they would not have any worries about their jobs.

If they continue to think Glasgow East was all about Bean , they may as well resign immediately.

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Iainbroch,

Moray 27/07/2008 01:14:59
Barnes is an idiot! Liebour does not have the cash to fight an election!
We are looking at the last ever Liebaah govt in its death throes!
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 27/07/2008 01:15:05
BRING IT ON!!!! Oh please liebour, go for the election, for that result will bring on SCOTTISH INDEPENCE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. BRING IT ON!!!!
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 01:15:57
#15 I'm bewildered why you're so bothered about this issue-even going so far to tell lies over it.
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indune1,

Canada 27/07/2008 01:19:53

Karin - you still up? Still pished?
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 01:23:06
#20 I just find it a bit sad that you felt it necessary to turn yourself into a liar over what is a fairly trivial issue.
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Iainbroch,

Moray 27/07/2008 01:31:14
Next the Hootsman will be telling us that the Englsih want Salmond to come and save them? Edinburgh the new UK capital - about as believable as anything that I read in this Unionist rag or from any of its Cyber Pimps!
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S'me,

Edinburgh 27/07/2008 01:34:31
Well, here comes 5 years of Tory Rule... well done SNP!
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 01:40:35
#24 Apparently it's not the SNP's fault!
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 27/07/2008 01:46:57
UM just fails to see it. The SNP has all but brought down the present Labour Government. It is only a matter of time before John Mason, one-time Glasgow Councillor and MP for Glasgow East has precipitated the Labour Party to ask their leader and PM to throw in the towel and bring about a 'suicide election' which may put Labour out of office for a decade. The SNP don't need to put up candidates in England or Wales or even hold the balance of power at Westminster. The Labour Party is now in such a state of headless paralysis that they will implode quite satisfactorily on its own.
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Clydesdale,

Lanarkshire 27/07/2008 01:56:28
Um - the Tories cannot bring down a Labour govt unless they get an overall majority of seats at Westminster. They look very good in the polls just now because Labour are so shockingly bad but they have still to outline their own policies. In the event of a hung parliament then smaller parties would have considerable influence (look at the importance of the Ulster Unionists during the 42 day vote when Labour back benchers revolted). The SNP already have brought down a Labour government - in 1979. With the economy in a complete mess and with the betrayal over the 1979 referendum (due to the disgraceful imposition of the 40% rule) the SNP withdrew their support and Labour lost a no confidence vote.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 27/07/2008 01:58:24
UM You still fail to see it. The result in Glasgow East (The SNP win) is the precipitating factor that has finally sealed Gordon Brown's fate. Not the English local elections, not the London mayoral election, not Nantwich & Crewe, not Henley. The deciding factor has been the SNP success despite all that Labour and the Scottish media could throw at trying to retain Labour's 3rd safest Westminster seat in Scotland and 25th in the UK. The Tories and the Libdems were very poor also-rans in the contest.
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Edward,

27/07/2008 02:00:21
'Labour MPs south of the border are thought to be demanding that the party effectively gives up on Scotland and sets about trying to win back middle England'
Havnt they done that already?
Or is this just now more official?
I would be very happy if Labour in London did cut loose the Labour Party in Scotland and let Scottish Labour evolve into a true party of Scotland for Scotland. The question is, will this happen just before Independence or after? If the Scottish Labour party want to survive they must evolve and that s not about paying lip service to the Scottish people, but start dealing with Scotland as a nation and back Independence, before the country does become Independent and not after, as if it only backs it after, it will be seen as cronies just paying lip service again!
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Castaway,

27/07/2008 02:05:02
One minister said: "The worst case scenario for the Labour Party is that we carry on with Gordon as leader and then have an election at the time of his choosing.
Yes that will be on the 3rd June 2010 the last possible date for a UK general election.
Because a problem with Gordon Brown is his dislike of voting contests, he didn't stand for the Labour Party leadership in 1994 because of the rumoured pact with Tony Blair.
He made sure his take over from Tony was unopposed.
He broke the 2005 Labour manifesto on the EU referendum.
He got cold feet and didn't hold a Autumn 2007 general election.
Gordon Brown has never led his party into any national electoral contest, and does not like the thought of it.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 27/07/2008 02:11:04
I guess UM you are posting from England as your knowledge of the Scottish political scene is rather limited. To claim that Labour lost the election but that the SNP did not win it, is to fail to understand that the contest was a trial between two competing governments as to who was perceived to be the better. The SNP government at Holyrood was found to be more popular than the Labour one at Westminster, even in a constituency which hitherto been staunchly Labour. Indeed, in almost all the hustings debates which were televised nationally, two on the BBC and one on STV, it was largely devolved matters that occupied most discussion. Reserved matters such as Tax, Social Security, Defence and Foreign policy were hardly covered despite the fact that the successful candidate would have a say and vote only on those subjects. The SNP candidate, John Mason won on the record of the SNP government. Margaret Curran of Labour lost on the record of Gordon Brown's record in Government.
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Huntly loon,

Abedeenshire 27/07/2008 02:37:50
UM You really are confused. I will keep things simple for you.
1) It was a UK byelection.
2) The SNP candidate won and he will go to Westminster.
3) Scottish electorates, politicians and media will discuss devolved and reserved matters without distinguishing that they are dealt with in either Holyrood or Westminster as appropriate. Matters such as Health, Education, Universities, Law & Order,Criminal and Civil Law, Local Government, Transport, Agriculture and Fishing, Housing, Economic Development, Business rates are all devolved matters. These tend to be matters which directly impinge on ordinary peoples lives in a way that defence and foreign policy does not. For over a year the SNP have been in power in Scotland and the voters have had a chance to compare an SNP Government with a Labour Government at Westminster and the previous Labour/Libdem coalition government at Holyrood. The SNP government policies have been popular and Alex Salmond and the SNP are still having their political honeymoon which for Gordon Brown lasted all of three months. The SNP has delivered a council tax freeze, reduction in precription charges with a view to abolition, increased police on the streets, abolition of student tuition fees, maintaining free personal care for the elderly, increased council housing etc. That is why the SNP won. They are the government. It was not a protest vote, as for the Libdems in England, who are not likely to be called to account. The SNP can be and are called to account and have to might on their record in government. That is why the SNP won and they will win many more seats at future elections. They have most MSPs, most councillors, and are ahead in polls for Holyrood and Westminster elections.
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 27/07/2008 02:46:06


Um, at 02:17:10,

So the SNP admit that the Glasgow East vote had nothing to do with Independence eh? Wrong! The SNP turned the by-election into a popularity contest between the two Governments - Holyrood and Westminster.

Holyrood won!

And what's more, read this about the SNP canvassing of the Glasgow East constituency (from an interview in the Sunday Express) -


"Meanwhile, Mr Salmond also revealed that an independence poll in Glasgow East showed 46 per cent were in favour of breaking up the Union, with just 28 per cent against and 26 per cent undecided, although he admitted there was still a lot to do before that vote was repeated across the country.

He said: “Unbeknown to virtually every commentator we polled the whole of Glasgow East on independence and got very, very encouraging results. The fact the independence vote was higher than SNP vote and the SNP vote was pretty high! We’ve got work to do but its very encouraging, that in what was previously regarded as a heartland area there is so much support for independence.”


So actually the SNP vote would appear to understate the support there for Independence. Independence is coming Mr Um. You saying it is not wont halt it.

Scottish Independence - not IF but WHEN.
Answer - 2010!


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Guga II,

Rockall 27/07/2008 02:47:36
Ignore that troll that calls himself Um. he is spouting garbage to try and muddy the waters.

As for the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party, how can they afford to go for an election. Aren't they in debt to the tune of around £30 million? It's not as if they can sell off any more peerages at the moment to raise the money.

Obviously their MPs are panicking at the moment. They can see themselves having their snouts kicked out of the trough, and having to mix with the plebs again rather than lording it over them. No more lying, dodgy expenses claims, large salaries and innumerable freebies.

As for the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch), as long as they remain as puppets under London control, and continue to oppose independence for Scotland, they will also be doomed.

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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 27/07/2008 02:55:10


Um, I name you AM2!

Suits me fine if you don't believe the canvassing returns from Glasgow East on Independence. Keep your head in that sand! I'm just trying to lessen the shock of Independence for you by getting you at least round to the possibility it MAY happen. Hope you don't have a weak heart!

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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 27/07/2008 02:55:37
UM you are still confused
I don't know whether you are thick or merely pretending to be.
IT WAS NOT A HOLYROOD BYELECTION
IT WAS A WESTMINSTER BYELECTION
Nevertheless the candidates discussed political issues which were within the scope of Holyrood.
The electorate compared the effectiveness of the two governments at Holyrood and Westminster, and despite the fact that what the SNP government had delivered was not technically relevant to the byelection, they sought to elect the Scottish Nationalist and not the Labour candidate. Have I explained myself better?
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Castaway,

27/07/2008 03:09:32
The difference between the Glasgow East and previous Scottish by-elections is this time the Scottish people have a SNP lead Scottish Government and Scottish Parliament who speak for the Scottish people and address all devolved matters.
The Glasgow East voters compared the Scottish Government with the Westminster Government and voted accordingly and by voting for John Mason MP they voted for an SNP member of the UK Parliament.
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Huntly loon,

27/07/2008 03:10:45
UM They were not voting for or against Holyrood at a Westminster election.
The Voters of Glasgow east liked what the SNP were doing at Holyrood
They did not like what Labour was doing at Westminster.
They prefered the SNP to Labour and wished to send the SNP man and not the Labour woman to represent them at Westminster.
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Alan B,

27/07/2008 03:16:55
Labour need to dump brown. While reid would be their best candidate for leader, they really need someone english and Alan Johnston is the only person i can see who could do the job. He should bring reid in as chancellor. Reid would take Osbourne apart.

Momentum is a funny thing and their is no real cameron appeal. Cameron is no Salmond.

What labour should do with a new leadership is ensure competence and admit mistakes of the past showing how these mistakes will be rectified. They also need to be quite brave in their approach.

1)economy - they should talk of their successes but admit brown should not have run up so much deficit. They should also state personal debt is too high and that the government failed to control house price inflation. They nned to show how they will address this. People need to understand the govermnet understands what it has done wrong.

2)introduce rules to clean up politics and westminter expenses and root out all their corrupt mps. From michale martin to all those with dodgy donations in the deputy leadership contest.

3)sort out the constitution. starting with stop picking fights with scottish parliament. Introducing fiscal autonomy would be an ideal change. possibly abolish house of lords and create english parliament.

4)stop all the 42 days dentention without trial nonsense and anyother policy that is going to pick a fight with their backbenchers.





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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 27/07/2008 03:18:26


Um, I'm hurt. My name is no joke. I'll have you know that I stayed up for the result of the by-election and then stayed up a bit more to listen to the pearls of wisdom from wee Dougie Alexander.

I'm a junkie for it - I can't help it.

You and I clearly have differing views on Scotlands furture. I am happy to accept your view exists eveif I don't agree with it. I hope you can accept that many Scots favour Independence and one day it MAY happen. Nothing is impossible, no?

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Clydesdale,

Lanarkshire 27/07/2008 03:21:06
Margaret Curran largely focused on areas devolved to Holyrood - the great irony was that she already represented constituents in these areas as an MSP. She did this to deflect attention away from the disaster of the Westminster govt (Trident, Iraq, 10p tax, cost of living, the issues surrounding the previous Glasgow East MP etc). Curran attacked the SNP on devolved issues like policing and of course also focused on independence. The SNP did attack Labour on reserved matters and their record at Westminster but also played up their successes and popularity at Holyrood. Like it or not Um Holyrood was pitted against Westminster in this election.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 27/07/2008 03:22:15
UM I will explain more simply
It was a fight between the SNP and Labour
The SNP are in power in Holyrood, Labour are in power in Westminster
The electorate could judge between the SNP in government at Holyrood and Labour in government at Westminster.
As a result the majority considered that the SNP were better than Labour and accordingly elected the SNP candidate
It had everything to do with Holyrood vis-a-vis Westminster
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Alan B,

27/07/2008 03:24:22
#49 "It was nothing to do with Holyrood V Westminster as Alex Salmond pretended"

That is not what salmond did. He tried to make it choice between the government in holyrood and the government in westminster. ie vote snp if you think the snp are doing better in government than labour. It was an election tactic and it was no pretence. Many people will probably vote for just that reason.

ie they like what the snp have done so far during their term in office and are fed up with labours failures.
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Alan B,

27/07/2008 03:28:17
#54 U cannot be serious. Scotland is more likely to go independent if the tories get voted in.
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 27/07/2008 03:30:20
Um,

"There is only one way that independence will happen and that is Labour's repeated tax rises without anything being given back to the people taxed."

Like at the moment you mean? We Scots really feel the benefit of Trident.

Immoral and hideously expensive though Trident is, Independence will only happen when the people of Scotland VOTE for it at the Independence Referendum in 2010. They may not vote for it in 2010 of course, but I know what side my money is on.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 27/07/2008 03:41:28
UM Ok, I'll make it simpler for you. The electorate considered the effectiveness and popularity of the governing parties in power at Holyrood and Westminster, and having compared the two governing parties and chose the candidate of the SNP over Labour.
I have treated your posts with respect and have tried to explain the reasons for the Glasgow East result as you seemed to have a limited understanding of the Scottish political scene.

It was uncalled for to call me a dolt and an unthinking follower of Alex Salmond. You have made it quite clear from your posts that you are merely a provocateur and there is no point in trying to discuss this matter with you.
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Clydesdale,

27/07/2008 03:43:47
Um, you said - "The two institutions never oppose each other. Alex Salmond just wants to trick dolts like you by association."

Not quite - the SNP Govt is completely opposed to Trident and son of Trident. They have already stated that, as they control transport (devolved matter), they will use their powers over Scottish roads to block the movement of nuclear missiles in Scotland. Only the Tory MSPs would be a certainty to vote against this proposal at Holyrood as Scottish Labour are completely divided over Trident because it is a huge vote loser in Scotland. Holyrood therefore opposes Westminster over nuclear weapons.
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 27/07/2008 03:44:57


Come on Um, debate. (I've got thick skin, insults wont work!)

Why is it irrelevant to talk about the Independence Referendum. If carried, this would usher in the biggest political change in this country since the signing of the Act of Union in 1707.

This MAY JUST happen! If I can accept that the Independence Movement MAY FAIL in 2010 - surely you can accept that they MAY WIN. I know you dont WANT them to win and wont vote for it, that's your vote to do with what you wish.

Do you, or you not accept that there MAY be a Referendum?

Do you, or do you not accept that in that Referendum one side will win? Are you a democrat?

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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 27/07/2008 03:51:29


Bzzz! Prevarication!

Go on answer the questions:

Do you, or you not accept that there MAY be a Referendum?

Do you, or do you not accept that in that Referendum one side will win?

Are you a democrat?


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Nevsky,

Moscow 27/07/2008 03:55:12
So Labour are going to give up on Scotland (it's heartland snce the party's inception) and concentrate on winning the vote in middle England. More good news for the SNP and as i predicted hehe it's just the beginning of the end for the British Labour Party..shame that lol
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Clydesdale,

27/07/2008 03:58:13
Um - It is the majority vote which controls Holyrood just as it is the majority which controls Westminster. In Holyood it has to be a consensus between more than one party to get a majority. Sometimes the govt at Westminster also needs the help of other parties to help it pass legislation due to backbench revolts (eg when Scottish Labour MPs rebelled over the renewal of Trident and the Conservatives supported the govt). If a majority of MSPs at Holyrood oppose Westminster policy does this not mean that Holyrood opposes Westminster over policy?
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 27/07/2008 03:59:43


Mr Um, I'm waiting...

Go on answer the questions (you know you want to):

Do you, or you not accept that there MAY be a Referendum?

Do you, or do you not accept that in that Referendum one side will win?

Are you a democrat?
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Traquir , Alba,

27/07/2008 04:02:50
Be afraid be very afraid, it looks like
mad Baron Zebedee is going to sort everything out for Labour.

Baron Foulkes - "go in, all guns firing"

see - tinyurl.com/5vopba
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 27/07/2008 04:04:09

Murdo Fraser was a young Tory when he said a Scottish parliament would put us on the slippery slope to Independece .

Well Murdo you were right the momentum is with us it is like a Rugby scrum you guys ( Unionists have no studs in your boots and you are getting pushed back inch by inch )

Alex Salmond is the most astute politician in the whole UK .

He has played Labour of Tory and Tory of Labour

Using Chess the SNP are starting the end game but still have a couple of moves before checkmate
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Clydesdale,

27/07/2008 04:04:20
I don't accept that the SNP Govt = Holyrood either! In earlier posts I have alluded to consensus politics and I also mentioned that only the Tory MSPs would definately vote against the SNP over plans to block the transportation of nuclear weapons- this infers that the other parties would either support, abstain, or, in Labour's case, be split over the issue.
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 27/07/2008 04:09:56
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Why does anyone the Labour party party suggests as leader make me snigger and think bring it on
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Clydesdale,

27/07/2008 04:20:13
In terms of hierarchy - Westminster remains superior as it holds the purse strings and in theory it could revoke the Scotland Act which created the Scottish Parliament, but of course this cannot happen as the vast majority of people in Scotland not only support the Holyrood parliament but want to either extend its powers or see it become independent from Westminster control. There is also no clear line between devolved and reserved issues - there are many grey areas - it wasn't so bad between both parliaments when the Lib/Lab coalition were in power because they slavishly followed Westminster instructions. But in the last year this has clearly started to change over many issues from Al-Megrahi to Nuclear Power Stations.
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Clydesdale,

27/07/2008 04:41:45
If standing up for Scotland means, in the words of Foulkes, 'picking fights with Westminster' then to quote another failed Labour politician 'Bring it On'! It seems inevitable that increasingly Scottish interests will conflict with wider UK interests. Thank God we now have a party in power which does not takes its line from Westminster. The old scare stories of being too small and too poor to seek independence no longer works - people are turning away from the negative politics of Labour in their thousands.
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LEAL,

27/07/2008 05:28:55
Labour are boring.They have nothing new or different to offer.They want to stop Scotland doing anything new or different,despite the will of the Scottish people.Dull,boring,negative,unelectable.
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terry osser,

morden 27/07/2008 05:38:37
if reid and johnson are the best nulab have to offer then tories are home and dry
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Birnamo,

Edinburgh 27/07/2008 06:08:03
How about Westminster committing suicide, Alex Salmond becoming Prime Minister at Holyrood and Scotland giving England a devolved assembly in London ?

Seems only fair that we should rule England for the next 300 years !
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Pocket Dictionary,

27/07/2008 06:11:23
As a clergyman's son, Gordon is surely familiar with the Biblical stories. Maybe then he sees himself as a new Moses figure. Not so much as taking us to a promised land, but spending 40 years leading Labour in the wilderness!
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Wisnaeme,

wisnae there 27/07/2008 06:35:18

It's all falling apart for them.

...and in truth, if this so called people's party and members of it therein had retained a modicum of respect for competency, transparency, accountability and codes of conduct befitting public office duties, whether it be moral values or whatever; they would not have found themselves in this position of public distrust and dislike. The use of "it's within Westmidden rules" as an excuse for dismissal of fiscal malpractice or irregularities perpetrated by New Labour or any other public office holder would not be tolerated or condoned by any other employer outwith Westmidden. Why should we bear the cost to ourselves? Why should we tolerate it.New Labour were given a position of trust. They have abused that trust without end. It's time for the public to bring them to account for themselves and for the country to decide whether new Labour are fit for the purpose of governance or not.

I have no confidence in this UK government.
I have no trust in this New Labour administration.
I do not deem them by their actions to be competent
or truthful.
Nor do I consider them to be fit for purpose or best value.

Time they were gone.
.
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Teamdroid,

27/07/2008 06:51:50
5 - Gordon McMaster's suicide was truly one of Scottish politics biggest tragedies. Not for the man himself, sad as that was, but because it allowed the thoroughly vile Douglas Alexander to enter Parliament in the subsequent by-election.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 27/07/2008 07:05:32
nothing can save labour now,and quite rightly so,
what they have done to this country will be unforgiven
for ever,they have made a dreadful mess of Britain,
who would ever have thought we would be taking orders from people we do not know,never voted for,and don't even speak their language
even with the so-called human rights which only operates by giving one person their rights means taking another's away,they churn out laws in such
a conveyor belt stile,that they even have the poor old cops running about in a daze,
they will lose the next election,and let us hope they are kept out of power for ever.
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Faux Cu,

Palais Bourbon 27/07/2008 07:50:08
I keep looking up into the sky expecting to see the Hale Bob comet making a return visit.

Labour have become a suicide cult.

an I'm lovin it!
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donald,

glasgow 27/07/2008 08:05:43
ANYTHING LABOUR DOES FROM NOW ON WILL BE SUICIDAL.
THEY'LL BE DAMNED IF THEY DO AND DOOMED IF THEY DON'T.
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donald,

glasgow 27/07/2008 08:07:12
Best retire now and salt away their personal ill gotten gains
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 27/07/2008 08:14:06
Suicide seems too kind - how about a long painful death - they are about half way through in any case!
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 27/07/2008 08:22:05
No matter what they do, Liebore are finished. Not a moment too soon.

Hard luck UM...or is that AM2? :-)
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Alan, New Zealand,

Leeds 27/07/2008 08:22:48
Blaming the SNP for NEW Labour losing the next election must mean it was the SNP's fault for not winning enough seats the last time, thereby allowing a bunch of incompetent, greedy fools into power.
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donald,

glasgow 27/07/2008 08:25:15
This is where I get to, when I try to click on the Hoots online poll.
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open,

west coast 27/07/2008 08:35:21
The obsession of both major political parties Labour and Tory with what can only be described as a fascist intolerance of the weakest and poorest sections of British society is reminiscent of TYRANT THATCHER.

The vast bulk of the UK should have leaders in power who do not constantly use the poor as victims for their whipping boys.The UK is by the day becoming one of the most intolerant and spied on societies across the globe.
We have those seeking power obsessed with a "1984" agenda and all UK citizens being treated like enemies of the state.

Unless the national media can accommodate a wider spectrum of political parties, that are NOT in that mould, and continue to give platforms only to TWO major political parties with a history of sleaze and corruption the UK is doomed.
How can we see political change for the better when daily we have two agendas rammed down our throats that show very little difference in policy that sees the proliferation of warmongering ,surveillance, vast inequality and constants attacks on the poorest and weakest sections of British society.

We should be ashamed, NOT giving platforms to parties that are headed by bully boys who constantly require to impose their fascism on those least able to protect themselves from draconian and tyrannical abuse of powers .

A GREAT leader, which is a rarity in the UK, is one who gains power without abusing it. Which Prime Minister in the last 100 years has achieved anything close to that goal?

LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
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allan58,

edinburgh 27/07/2008 08:41:10
It were probably for the best if an election was to be called this year. It would be kinder than letting New "Labour" die a long, lingering & painful death. Besides, we'd only be replacing one party leader with another. Theres practically no difference between New "Labour " and the Tories anyway.

Oh, by the way, since when did the Tories give Taxes back to the taxed? I seem to recall VAT doubled to 17.5%, abolition of MIRAS, the
cutting of the married couples ( and other) allowances, increases in national insaurance contribitions?

No, as an individual, I saw little benefit from so-called Tory "tax cuts". I didn't believe it then & I don't believe it now. Even Ken Clarke admitted that his 1992 budget INCREASED taxes by the equivalent of 7p in the pound. I actually ended up being £300 a year WORSE off as a result of the tax increases!

The fact that the New Tories increased the tax burden further is irrelevant. We won't see any of it back.
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africanj,

Yokohama, Japan 27/07/2008 08:47:40
extended greetings, but Mexican Oil Price rigging situation is more crucial than "Mr. Gordon the Great" tampering his constituency towards his private suicide election mission. Indeed, "those" were the "bygone" days.
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MacGillicuddy,

27/07/2008 08:50:07
" Labour MPs south of the border are thought to be demanding that the party effectively gives up on Scotland and sets about trying to win back middle England. "

This is typical of the loyalty!

Anyway Bring it on!

Independence Day in 2010!!
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BK,

Cyberspace 27/07/2008 08:50:09
Great . The Labour Party committing suicide in what could be the last ever UK election!
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StopTheNumpties,

the real world 27/07/2008 09:14:06
The Scottish Numpty Party had less to do with winning the election than Labor losing it. As long as it restricts its candidates to Scotland, it can't bring down the government of someplace else. As the story points out, it's Labor, not the numpties that are talking about bringing down the Scot, Gordon Brown, in a "suicide" election. Glad to see that the antiBlairites are so happy with the results of their efforts. Be careful what you wish for and for heaven's sake remember that Salmond doesn't have a vision - he's just seeing things. Scotland deserves better.
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27/07/2008 09:19:02
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bring them on,

27/07/2008 09:39:48
Brown, I remember you from 1982.

Hope you are remembered as the worst, and shortest serving, PM of all time.

Not how you planned it, eh. But what you deserve.

A self motivated, non-caring, removed from the people, washed up and all done politician.
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Calgacas,

27/07/2008 09:40:17
90
Definitely AM2, no two people could spout the same drivel. Affectionately known as the "Ranter, and the "Twitterer. Public opinion is divided as to whether it Rants as it Twitters, or Twitters as it Rants.
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open,

west coast 27/07/2008 09:51:14
http://www.educate-yourself.org/nwo/

The New World Order (NWO)
Browns New World Order speech at
http://www.youtube.com/v/Uv5cqh26CC0

“There is a worldwide conspiracy being orchestrated by an elite group of genetically related individuals which include many of the very wealthy, politically powerful, and corporate elite of the world, as well as members of the so-called Black Nobility [nothing to do with the color of one's skin] of Europe whose goal is to create a One World (fascist) Government, stripped of nationalistic and regional boundaries, that is obedient to their agenda.

Events are moving at a frightening pace toward the total implementation of that agenda which includes utilizing mass Mind Control of an unprecedented scale and scope. You need to inform yourself of this diabolical scheme and take steps to thwart their agenda. Their intention is to affect complete and total control over every human being on the planet and to dramatically reduce the world's population by 5.5 Billion people.
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Herne the Hunter,

All of Scotland 27/07/2008 09:57:32
What was their song again,when Blair was elected....
"Things can only get better!"

I think the words of the Gambler are more appropriate
"Know when to hold them ,know when to fold them, and know when to walk away" and that was how Blair handed over the poisoned chalice.
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27/07/2008 10:04:26
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 27/07/2008 10:10:27
#105 Another great prediction. How did your last one work out?