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Published Date: 06 May 2009
AIRLINE pilots will resist the ID card scheme "with all legal means possible", their union Balpa said yesterday. The plan is to be trialled at Manchester and London City airports, but Balpa said its members were overwhelmingly against it.
Balpa general secretary Jim McAuslan said the scheme was not voluntary as pilots had learned they could not get a security pass without the ID.


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  • Last Updated: 05 May 2009 9:55 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Identity cards
 
1

tomi,

06/05/2009 06:11:47
Yes! "Voluntary" with compulsion!

2

SouthernSkye,

06/05/2009 08:11:14
We need to stop this waste of money now. NuLab will be out next year so why are they continuing to waste precious funds on a scheme the Tories will dump?
3

Tim C,

Southern England 06/05/2009 08:17:01
What have those airline pilots got to hide? Other than the fact that any pilot could go insane and crash their deadly weapon on a building full of less insane people? Imagine if pilots were infected by a zombie virus! I say ground them all.
And the place to introduce idi cards is Westminster. When a few MPs or their families have been busted for not carrying them, they might sing a different tune. And it aint just the card, it is the renewal process and cost, as any fan of the DVLA will testify.
4

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 06/05/2009 08:35:50
Let's look at this from a common sense point of view, a pilot does not necessarily work exclusively on a single route so many pilots will land at a number of airports in the course of their work.
Every pilot who is likely to use either Manchester or London City Airports will have to get an ID card, the government has therefor made it compulsory for almost all UK based pilots to get an ID card.
What about non-UK citizens who are required to go air-side ? What kind of ID will they use at these airports ? This is the flaw in the argument that ID cards will improve security, as they will not be entitled to a UK ID card so will have to be allowed through on evidence of a foreign passport and another ID card of some kind. Foreign flight crews will presumably not have a local ID card of any kind and will have to allowed through with some kind of airline ID card.
As usual the UK government is just having its own way and lying to us to meet its own ends, as it has done for the past thirty years.
5

Fred Leeson,

edinburgh 06/05/2009 10:16:37
Only someone with a slave mentality would volunteer to buy an ID card. Give them £60 to take your biometric data and store it on a big computer. Even if it was stored safely (which it won't be). Of course they will start leaning on pubs and banks etc to accept ID cards as the only means of identification to force people to buy one.
This shower of control freaks will be gone soon so hopefully they won't waste too much public money on another white elephant before they go.
6

SouthernSkye,

06/05/2009 13:31:00
invictager,Kent

Yes, many countries do have an ID card scheme and it can be used in place of a passport for travel and other useful things.
What they do not have is a vast database holding personal details. They have a stand-alone card. That I would have less objection too.
The best solution would be to change the passport so it is a comfortable size to carry, when one needs too, and alter the driving licence so it is a single plastic credit card sized item. That would be enough for most and others, who do not drive/have a passport, could apply for a stand-alone ID.
No bio-metrics, no Govt database, no compulsory carrying of cards.
7

muppetspotter,

Edinburgh 06/05/2009 15:18:54
#7 indeed

this is a colossal waste of money

It would also be worth pointing out that our European cousins who have ID cards also have a written constitution which protects their rights from the state where as we Britons, well we are subjects of her majesty and our only protection is an unwritten gentleman's agreement with the state which has been steadily erroded by the apparatchicks of NL over the last 10 years.

I am very uncomfortable at the power the state is amassing at the moment with huge executive powers and our hard won rights are being chipped away at ans undermined.


quis custodiet ipsos custodet

- "who polices the police?"
8

Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 05/07/2009 12:46:36
As I've said many times before, watch Brian gerrish and John Harris on YouTube to see just how deep the rabbit hole really is. Are you going to take the blue pill or the red pill?
9

langtonian,

uphall 31/07/2009 20:31:40
There will alway's be nay sayer's,so be it.

Forgetting the pilot's technicalities to sort themselves out,there will be a coherent reason and solution,and as the BALPA representative points out it is NOT compulsory.

Otherwise, as we already have had for many ,many years a birth certificate a NHS/Insurance no. and a non compulsory entry within a voters roll, surely the biometric ID card is a vast improvement for all concerned.
It is not compulsory,I rather think given a few years without a modern method of identifying themselves, most will come round to a rational thinking which is,

What a good idea!!

 

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