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No Britons will be forced to carry ID cards – for now at least



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Published Date: 07 March 2008
SOME foreigners will be forced to carry identity cards later this year, but the scheme will not be compulsory for UK citizens until well after the next general election, the government announced yesterday.
A delayed roll-out will begin in November by targeting people from outside the European Union applying to work, study or live in the UK.

The first British citizens will be affected from summer 2009, when some 100,000 airport and power-station work
ers in "sensitive" jobs will be issued with the cards. Then, from 2010, young people aged over 16 will be able to apply for them on a "voluntary basis".

But the scheme will not become compulsory without a parliamentary vote – and ministers say that will not happen this side of a general election.

Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, hopes British citizens will begin to enrol in "high volumes" in 2011-12, with most British people holding a card by 2017.

However, opposition parties and civil-rights campaigners reiterated their demands that ID cards be scrapped.

The Scottish Government restated its opposition, saying ID cards would not be necessary to access any public services provided by Holyrood.

And there was embarrassment for No 10 when a report commissioned by Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, recommended the cards should be free of charge. They are expected to cost £30, or about £100 if issued with a passport.

Announcing the changes, Ms Smith said the scheme's cost would be cut by £1 billion to £4.4 billion as a result of the staggered introduction.

The cards will store biometric data about holders, such as face and eye scans and fingerprints, together with personal information including name, address and date of birth.

They will not hold medical details or criminal convictions.

Ms Smith believes they will form one part of a three-stage system to increase national security, together with border controls and checks made by UK foreign embassies.

Foreign nationals will have to apply from November, and will all be expected to have a card within three years. Failure to apply for one will lead to unspecified "hefty" fines or deportation from the UK.

The Home Secretary claimed the cards would make it "incredibly difficult" to perpetrate identity fraud, while speeding up job applications that require security clearance, such as in teaching and nursing.

All new British passports will be entered on the National Identity Register – a database of fingerprints and other details – from 2011-12.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary,

said the data would be a "sitting target for criminal hackers and terrorists" and he called for the whole scheme to be abandoned.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of human-rights group Liberty, said: "ID cards remain disastrous for our purses, privacy and race relations."

Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat leader, said the "world's most powerful, expensive and unnecessary database" would initially blight only those unable to vote against the government.





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  • Last Updated: 06 March 2008 10:27 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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07/03/2008 00:53:04
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 01:01:27
Scott Webb @#1,

Its an 'underhanded' Ploy, for the..'breaking-in-factor'
You know!..the...'Brainwashing Approach'!

'Gently Gently' Does it!

It WILL all lead to being..'micro-chipped' at Birth!

Some of us KNOW the TRUTH!!!

You cant fool all of the People, all of the Time!
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williamx,

canada 07/03/2008 01:37:35
You already have an ID card, your drivers license or your Social Insurance number.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 01:45:20
williamx @#5,

YES!...but its..'Not Enough' for the..'Powers-at-be'!

They...'WANT MORE, MUCH MORE',!!

Complete Control of our Life's!!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 01:53:18
Tell you what,?

They WONT,..'Micro-Chip' any Baby we have!, we would rather have, our Babies in the Wild, and come back to fight the..'Controllers'!
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tomi,

07/03/2008 01:57:01
It's just a matter of time!!

George Orwell just got the year wrong.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 01:59:07
tomi @#8,
You got that one...'Spot-On'!
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The Daleks,

Longmen 07/03/2008 02:22:58
I don't need an ID card, I know who I am.
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Murray in Canada,

Salt Spring Island 07/03/2008 02:48:00
Then if, as has been forecast, the Tories get in at the next election, one can hope that the entire thing goes into abeyance? Thus saving a bit of money, I think. And exactly where do the SNP stand on this?
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 07/03/2008 03:12:00
The SNP Government are reported over in the Herald as not only being against ID Cards but that they intend to block their introduction in Scotland.

Good on you Alex!

NuLab have proved that they cannot be trusted with our data. NuLab are the only party now for ID Cards, so, after the next Westminster Election in 2009, the Tories will bin the idea - or at least they had BETTER be as good as their promise.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........Hillary for Pres....Barack Hus 07/03/2008 05:40:04
No Britons will be forced to carry ID cards – for now at least
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Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”:
So said FDR.

So why are U dudes so scared of ID cards. If u have nothing to hide.

U already carry a Driver's License , that's an ID card.

If Ur British Gov were clever, they would not squander hundreds of millions of pounds on ID cards . JUST upgrade ur Driver's Licenses to include the new data .
All embedded in mag-chip on the back of the DL card

Hey Dudes ,
The Dollar is sinking. The Housing in US is falling apart. Oil is at $105 barrel.

AH but in 2008 the US will spend $481 billion on its Military budget .

Compare that to the pip-squeak CHINA Military budget of $58 billion.

Happy WCD (World Confusion Day)

GC
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 07/03/2008 06:27:00
16 - an admirer of control-freaks.
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/03/2008 07:32:25
Things like ID cards have to have the support of the population to work. Are they going to take us all to court??
Remember the POLL TAX!!!!!!!!!!!
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Guga II,

Rockall 07/03/2008 07:39:43
It will be a cold day in hell before I apply for an ID card, or ever carry one.

In any event, the current Stalinist, totalitarian control freaks will be booted out at the next general election, as their blatant lies and broken promises will come back to bite them.
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Reckless,

Neo Labour lying scum. 07/03/2008 07:42:50
Lies. I've emailed the Home Secretary's office to tell her that I will not be registering for the ID card - I won't even be renewing my passport. I would rather go to prison. I hope other people will refuse to accept the ID card too, then it'll just end up as another expensive Poll Tax failure. Besides, are they going to win another general election? The only way can see Neo Labour in government come 2017 is if they use the Civil Contingencies Act to declare a state of emergency, hence elections are cancelled.

www.infowars.com
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Reckless,

3rd English civil war 07/03/2008 07:45:20
We need our own 1776.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 08:12:26
"The Home Secretary claimed the cards would make it "incredibly difficult" to perpetrate identity fraud, while speeding up job applications that require security clearance, such as in teaching and nursing."

Not if somebody steals the information from an insecure database on a government laptop for example.

speed up Job applications???? how?? why?? By identifing the ethnic origin of the applicant before an interview can be arranged?? to allow an employer the perfect tool to discriminate against potential employees???
The more information collected on individuals the less chance some individuals have of standing on a level playing field with others when it comes to job applications. It is a tool which will only benefit an elistist group within our society and they are using the war on terror which they themselves started to implement it. And this country will go along with it like sheep to an abotoir.
Time to retire abroad. No wonder this countries biggest export has been its people.
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Scotland to prosper...,

07/03/2008 08:20:45
Introducing ID cards is just one more way for fraudsters to copy your information.

No matter what the Government say, no form of ID is fraud-proof, everything can be copied.

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yockel,

07/03/2008 08:42:49
Don't fret there will be no Britons left to carry ID cards in ten years and every resident of the UK will already have one.
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ebbi,

spain 07/03/2008 09:27:34
in spain if you do not have your id card on you you would be fined 300 euros on the spot and if you can't pay it you'd be taken to the police station and will be kept there until you pay it.this is where we are going in years to come and the rest is a load of rubbish.
the government will start with this but soon or later it will become compulsary to carry it with you and if you don't you'll be taken to police station,finger printed and your dna taken and will be added to the list.
remember this is just the beginning. one day we will regret not taking action and it will be too late.
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Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 07/03/2008 09:30:25
Seriously, why is there anybody left who votes for Labour?

I can only assume they are voting for something from the past which now no longer exists.

I've heard various 'explanations' from Labour on why ID cards are 'needed' (they seem to change every 5 minutes), but each one has been easily refuted. Is the latest excuse 'identity fraud' as Smith seems to imply?

Can Labour supporters or politicians really put their hand on their heart & claim we need compulsory ID cards for identity fraud & that is the reason we are doing it?
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ebbi,

spain 07/03/2008 09:31:25
it is absolutely absurd and stupid to be asked to prove who you are in your own country as if we are all immigrants.i will never do it and encourage everyone no to do it.if we don't respect ourselves don't expect it from the government and the politicians.
this is my country and i do not need to prove who i am period.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 09:43:59
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That alone could very well prove to be a massive vote winner and may very well force Wendy to go against Westminster on this issue. Is there anybody oot there reading this thread who supports the introduction of ID cards? dont be shy we need another perspective of this.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 10:22:54
The ID Cards scheme is a cynical joke. The media and the Government both refer to terrorism in connection with it yet the Government themselves have admitted that it would have no effect on terrorism whatsoever!

I received a letter from Beverley Hughes Home Office Minister dated 12/08/2003 which stated: "The Government has made clear that it does not consider that an entitlement card scheme would have a significant effect in combating terrorism in the United Kingdom."

"In the debate on whether or not to have a card scheme the issues of citizenship, entitlement to services and combating illegal immigration illegal working and identity fraud are more important."

"Finally, the Government has already ruled out a scheme where it would be compulsory to carry a card and will not be consulting on this option."

Yet after that they DID claim on numerous occasions it would help combat terrorism and they DID say it would be compulsory.
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 10:23:00
Divide and rule.
Few people are against the idea of some sort of biometric addition to your ID, however such methods are at the moment crude and innacurate and therefore only useful in small numbers. A national ID database is something else entirely, and when used with the innacurate biometric technology will lead to much wasteage of money, false identification and harassment.
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glassbenmhor,

07/03/2008 10:38:49
AH AH AH AH Brown's lost the plot totally,just a great pile of depleted type bureaucracy to fire into the middle of half dead Labour in the final days before the next election.
It just gets better and better ,I truly think Brown knows he's finished next time around
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glassbenmhor,

07/03/2008 10:44:29
Their is only one thing a government wants is to make and that is money, whether that is by charging upon the first issue handsomely or by charging exorbitantly upon the first loss of the card.
Either way they will still make a packet by offering the details under the table to the private sector
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glassbenmhor,

07/03/2008 10:48:33
Aye,bye god,Brown's like being at the helm of a 'Zero' packed with explosive nose-diving full throttle at the polls with this one,AH AH AH AH!
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glassbenmhor,

07/03/2008 10:54:38
Poor Gordon such a head full of worries all for the sake of us,prayers at the foot of the big bed as well,its there at the thoughts turn to all the wee two year olds all a' cold and hungry and if only they could vote,because they would vote for Gordon,yes all the world would be righteous and sunny again.

PS hope your setting aside cash ,deals or time for Dunfermline buddy??
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GP,

07/03/2008 10:59:51
11#
Correct I am truly thankful tothe Scots forces of history who fought against despotism, fascism and evil that was the Jacobite rebellion.
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Doh,

07/03/2008 11:02:27

I am not a man I am a number.
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GP,

07/03/2008 11:03:46
This whole debate is a joke.
Jackie Smith the HOme secretary stated on live television that it would be brought in for Airside workers. But it would not be compulsory to carry it.
What the F*** is the point of the thing then?
Give a person and ID card then tell them it's ok not to carry at all times. So the terrorist walks into the airside site with bombs and because it is not compulsory to carry an ID card he or she is not challenged and booooom.

What a load of crap.
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Tom R,

07/03/2008 11:10:07
The Labour party have fallen into the hands of control freaks-but we will see them off in Scotland
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 07/03/2008 11:57:27
When Labour cannot even administer the basics like control of illegal immigration on a vast scale, what use ID cards then? As usual the law abiding majority will be sitting ducks from Brown's control-freakery, loss of data and its illegal use.

And now Jacqui Smith comes up with this foot-in-the door Fisher-Price kiddy-on ID card for foreign workers coming from outside the EU. That'll upset the politically correct! Wonderful for race relations. And voluntary take-up after that by 16yo's from 2010? Give me strength. Whoever questioned Brown's sanity was on the right footing, allegedly. I'm just wondering if he's getting messages from God, given his religious upbringing.

Oh - forgot the cost of course and who's paying for that again? Just remember the sort of rubbish plans these people make as you fill up your tank with well-overpriced and taxed fuel.
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Furchrissake,

07/03/2008 12:52:36
My worry, apart from all of the above, is that the database would be farmed out to foreign companies to maintain - ie. America. Now, that's scary.
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John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 07/03/2008 17:55:43
The concept behind biometric id cards is to prove that you are who you claim to be. Fingerprint data on the card is checked by having the cardholder's fingerprints scanned. Iris data on the card is - and this is still not fully developed - checked by having the cardholder's iris scanned. A quick check of the photo and the face and you have some assurance that the cardholder is who they say they are.

Foolproof? No - there's no such thing as foolproof security. The intent is only to make identity fraud more difficult than it is now.

Given that identity fraud contributes to immigration crime, fraudulent claims for benefits (which cost you - the taxpayer - millions every year) and identity theft crime, I'm in favour of something to make life harder for the criminals.
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Geoff,

sa 07/03/2008 18:26:14
No Britons will be forced to carry ID cards-
Britons Never Never Never Shall bee slaves!!
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bill-alba,

Fife 07/03/2008 18:58:37
Galactic...there is a big difference between a driving licence and an ID card...you are not forced to carry your driving licence but you will be forced to carry an id card.
Reckless I will see you in jail as I won't be registering either.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 20:05:48
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"The concept behind biometric id cards is to prove that you are who you claim to be."

really so each and every time you use you bio card you must also supply a fresh sample of DNA to prove the card is yours. A drop of blood maybe? a hair pulled from your head or a*se? a toe nail? a fingernail? a gob of phlegm? a urine sample? Snot? if yer lucky you may have dandruff and all ye need is tae shake yer heid. I can see the cue for the tills in tesco and the buckets full of gob, blood, phlegm, hair nails and p*ss.
So how do these bio cards actually work then?? if all they can rely on is the photo unless your arrested of course?
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John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 07/03/2008 20:44:48
#47 Foulkes Off the CyberNat: Thank you for your response to my comment. Disregarding the body of your response which I will, for the sake of civility, assume was intended to be humour, your final question was, "So how do these bio cards actually work then?? if all they can rely on is the photo unless your arrested of course?"

I assume that, while you can cut and paste from my comment you were unable to actually comprehend the content of it. I suggest you ask your mummy.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 07/03/2008 20:52:10
38 - and the wee German lairdies were a force for enlightenment !

Oh ma sides !
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 07/03/2008 21:51:06
We had identity cards before so in principle there should be no problem with having them now. The only question is what information will be on them and who will have access to this information.
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John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 07/03/2008 22:44:16
#51 clarry, thank you for your response to my comment.

As my original comment clearly said, "there's no such thing as foolproof security. The intent is only to make identity fraud more difficult than it is now." and, as I'll assume you don't suffer the comprehension problems clearly plaguing Foulkes, should I assume that because we cannot implement a perfect solution then we should do nothing?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 00:01:36
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actually I was only being half satirical I really dont understand how these bio cards are supposed to be more secure if all they rely on for use is your picture and maybe a pin. Where does the Bio come in? Like I said you cant be expected to give a sample of yer DNA every time you use it can you? so why is it any more secure than a chip and pin card?
I think this is all about getting everybody onto a permanant data base and nothing else. It certainly not about public convenience or crime prevention.
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Reckless,

Neo Labour dictators 08/03/2008 09:25:28
China puts RFID tags in a billion ID cards

Simon Burns
Vnunet
March 6, 2008

China’s market for RFID products will still be worth $1.4bn this year, analysts predict, despite a $6bn government identity card programme drawing to a close.

The single-party state, which has traditionally devoted huge resources to monitoring and controlling the movements of its people, is estimated to be investing $6bn in issuing RFID-equipped ID cards to its adult population by 2008.

Between 900 million and a billion cards will have been issued by the end of this year, according to ABI Research.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=670

 

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