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Published Date: 26 September 2008
THE new identity card was unveiled yesterday by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary.
It is blue and pink, the size of a credit card and carries the royal crest and four flowers representing the nations of the UK: the thistle, the rose, the daffodil and the shamrock.

The cards, which will be issued to foreign workers from November, will display the individual's name, his or her photograph, the card's expiry date and how long the person can stay and work in the country.

On the back it will show date and place of birth, gender, nationality and whether the person is entitled to benefits. Biometric data, including the person's fingerprints, will be stored on a security chip.

Ms Smith said the cards would protect against identity fraud and illegal working, and would help people to prove their identity easily.

She said: "Many people want securely and quickly to be able to prove their identity and want to be able to check people are who they say they are."

Between 50,000 and 60,000 cards will be issued by the end of next March, and ministers predict a million a year will be issued from 2010.

The cards will be compulsory for foreign workers, who will have their fingerprints and photographs taken at six ID card centres – in Glasgow, Croydon, Sheffield, Liverpool, Birmingham and Cardiff – when they renew their visas.

The first phase of the scheme will also target people suspected of abusing the immigration system, such as foreign students and people claiming a right to stay through marriage. Workers at sensitive sites, such as airports, will be issued cards next year.

In a pilot scheme in Croydon, 12,000 people had their biometric data collected. There had been fears about worn fingerprints among older people, but the Home Office said there was nobody who could not have some data taken.

The cards will cost no more than £30 when made available to British citizens in 2011.

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  • Last Updated: 26 September 2008 8:14 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Identity cards
 
1

tomi,

26/09/2008 02:54:34
Jacqui Smith like her predecesor would have made a very able leader of the Gestapo, Statsi, KGB, or any of their ilk!! (Such as MI6 etc.?)
2

Guga II,

Rockall 26/09/2008 03:36:54
I don't mind the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party introducing ID cards for foreigners in this country, but I refuse to accept their right to have the rest of us included in their Stalinist, totalitarian, control freak database.

I will refuse to submit to having my details on one of their cards, and will refuse to carry one. If they want to gaol me, and many, many other people that feel the same way, fair enough. They will, of course, be in serious soapy bubble with the resultant massive overcrowding of gaols, court cases on human rights because of this overcrowding, and the massive increase in costs for feeding etc. the large numbers of new prisoners.

In any event, a couple of years in gaol with board, lodgings and heating provided by the state will make a pleasant change from having to work and pay out for these ever increasing costs myself.

As for their alleged £30 cost for their ID cards, I'll believe that when I see it. Moreover, the total cost of running their ID database will be horrendous, and, going on their existing record, will fail continually, have information being lost continually, and will be stolen and sold.

Only Stalinists like New Labour could come up with such an idea.
3

Boy Wonder,

26/09/2008 03:50:59
They can stuff their ID cards right up their Jacqui. I'll never carry one ... and I ain't playing their game!
4

Proximaking,

Aberdeen 26/09/2008 07:29:15
What part of the word "NO!" does this government not understand?
5

Scythia,

Alba 26/09/2008 07:39:05
No different than any other European country. They are NOT compulsory either(except for foreigners). Too much hyperbole around this topic by the usual far left guardianista's.
6

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26/09/2008 07:52:02
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7

xen,

26/09/2008 08:58:32
too much hype regarding freedom and liberty and the govt being like the KGB - do u seriously think that the govt cares about info regarding the petty man on the street? (unless of course, he's a child porn addict or something)

a greater cause for concern would be whether they can keep this database of theirs secure as what guga said
8

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 26/09/2008 09:19:48
This government seems determined to do as much damage as possible before they are (shortly) ejected. The id card thing is only as useful as it covers the entire population otherwise why have one? It would soon pass from being voluntary to being compulsory and then there would be a roaring trade in counterfeits, which would not be impossible given that it relies on chip technology, photography and bits of plastic.

If they would just spend a fraction of the amount required to do this on strengthening border controls, booting out illegal immigrants this week as opposed to hanging around for ever and carry out the automatic deportation of foreign criminals as they said they would there would be less of a problem.

The whole situation in his country could also be eased by admitting we're not some kind of superpower any more and employing the armed forces in a domestic sweep rather than fight aimless and unwinnable wars wars elsewhere.
9

bluehead,

edinburgh 26/09/2008 09:30:07
no wonder this government are on the way out,imagine any one trusting this lot,the first thing they would do is lose all the information,and we will all be in trouble
let us hope that when labour are booted out of office
this time that they become extinct, so that the people never have to suffer such a bunch of nutcases ever again.
10

bonzoxx,

edinburgh 26/09/2008 09:47:05
i have had 2 id cards in my life and none caused me any bother also i have another called a ni number which is quite useful//in fact everyone has one of these and are quick enough to produce it when they want something like hard cash etc
11

Offlocated,

26/09/2008 09:54:22
So the shamrock is now classed as a "flower" is it? Would that be some ruling from Brussels (where frogs are called "fish") or just local illiteracy?
12

S lomax,

warrington, cheshire, enlgand 26/09/2008 09:56:11
first of all xen, freedom and liberty are the same thing. read a book. the "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear argument" is used by people who have no knowledge that through the twentieth century the biggest cause of death to a human was one government or another. wether that be by the hand of pol pot,hitler,stalin,mao, pinochet. These people also love gun control. they love to disarm their populations so that they can have their way with them alot easier. But i have a message for this globalist labour government. I will never take your mark. i will never submit to your dehumanisation. and the new world order which gordon brown, and obama push in their speeches (youtube) will not come to pass. people are wising up to what globalism actually means. And we won't tolerate world government.
13

Mr Bond,

London 26/09/2008 10:59:31
I honestly believe ID Card is essential for everyone and for the security of the Nation and for the individual concerns too. In USA and in Europe people do not seem to be worried at all, why we Brits have to be odd everytime !. In view of EEC- Liberal Policies allowing free for all immigration in Europe and then into UK, we are at a greater risk than any other nation from terorist because we as Nation have a best Democratic, Social,Human Freedom and have been very genous to accomodate (people from other nations without thoroughly checking their credentials and intent ). We have more extremist settled in UK than USA or France / Germany. For those who oppose ID Cards must wake up and smell coffee before it is too late !!!

Let us welcome genuine Visitors, Refugees and People with Good intents only,if let people who have nothing offer us other than terror !--We will regret and will also cease to be Peace Loving and God Fearing Nation, as we have been for years.

It is my humble request, having been a refugee myself twice (1960s Zaire and 1970s Uganda)and settled in UK since 1973. I do know what it is like being a Refugee and receiver of cruelty from African Dictatorial Regimes. Please let ID Card system be officially introduced for the benefit for all not few. God Bless the Queen and our beloved Nations (UK)
14

Lianachan,

Highlands 26/09/2008 12:33:17
I have a passport, driving license with my photograph and address on it and a national insurance card. I do not need, and will never accept, a further ID card. Especially given the governments record of data security.
15

Anonym,

26/09/2008 13:04:38
Mr Bond #13 How exactly do you suppose having UK citizens carry ID cards is going to help to deal with extremists?

I agree with the others.

I have means of identification already. I will NOT pay the government £30 for a useless piece of plastic I do not want or need.

16

whitedogmum,

Lincoln 26/09/2008 13:19:33
"Ms Smith said the cards would protect against identity fraud and illegal working, and would help people to prove their identity easily" is one of the more absurb statements I have read in a long time. Those who want an identity will figure a way around the 'safety' features of the card.
17

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 26/09/2008 13:47:04
I will not be having one. They can stuff it. It's a waste of money.

Of course, stupid labour are assuming that they are going to be around long enough to implement it, which they almost certainly will not be.
18

David Gerard,

London 26/09/2008 14:12:14
My blog rant: tinyurl.com/3p6xqd

The card will be compulsory for foreign nationals. All terrorists and illegal immigrants will be required to obtain one and show it to policemen, council officials or dog catchers on request. LOOK! TERRORISTS!

This initiative comes from (a) civil servants who think it'd be convenient to their jobs to have everyone filed and numbered (b) private contractors like EDS and Capita who have been promised CASH CASH CASH for consulting on such schemes, and a track record of employing ex-goverment ministers and senior civil servants at vast consulting fees 12 months after they leave the government.

"We wholeheartedly support this move, for the good of Britain," said Nick Hitler (no relation) of the British National Party. Reports that the BNP had put out a bounty on a "lost" data disk listing the names and addresses of every immigrant in the country are unconfirmed.

The ridiculous thing is that this is a creature of the Labour government, who are vastly unpopular, and will likely be kicked out on their corrupt backsides in the 2010 election. This scheme is set only to be fully implemented by 2011/2012. EDS and Crapita will, of course, still be paid in full.
19

WL,

livingston 26/09/2008 14:45:18
There are several EU countries where it is compulsory to have an identification paper such as a passport at the workplace, sothat when police checks they can see that you are allowed to be and to work in th country. It is the same principle as having a driving licence when you drive a car. Nothing wrong with it, unless you have something to hide!
20

Lianachan,

Highlands 26/09/2008 15:05:26
#19

Well, the card component of my driving license is always with me in my wallet - at the workplace or anywhere else. It has my photograph on it. It has my name and address on it. Why should I need to pay £30 to have a further proof of my identity? It's got nothing to do with whether I have "something to hide" or not, the entire thing is a disgrace.
21

MGT,

London 26/09/2008 15:34:05
Is there a Nu-Labour politician out there who can tell me why Britain is issuing ID cards to "non-nationals" in the first place? Surely, it is up to the country of origin to provide the ID, and for us to either accept it or not.

I haven't forgotten the affair of the Asians from East Africa in the early 70's, who had been given passports which carried no rights to settle here. It was determined, by the politicians, that the passport imposed a moral obligation on Britain to accept them. (Most held duel status, and could equally have returned to India/Pakistan/Bangladesh).

Fast forward a few years hence - A ruling of some Yuman Rights court decrees that anyone holding a British ID card MUST be given full rights of citizenship.

Mark my words.
22

Joe Macdelta.,

26/09/2008 16:36:31
Just more proof that we are living in a police state, I wonder what the next step will be, prison without trial maybe, already they can shoot people on the way to work.
23

SPQR,

London 26/09/2008 16:48:11
It'll be interesting just how many of the 'Over my dead body' crowd suddenly decide they'll have an ID card when their passport expires in a couple of years and they realise that they can travel to Greece, Spain etc. on an ID card for £30, but a new passport is £72 (or more by then). Especially if you've got the wife and nippers' passports to replace too. Middle of a recession and scrimping for the family holiday and you're faced with a conundrum: passport bill of £300 for the four of you, or ID cards for four for £120. ID cards over my dead body you say! 'Indeed', says the wife, 'the kids need new swimsuits, flip flops and sun glasses' and hey presto you all end up with ID cards. Well, that's what'll happen in our house anyway....
24

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 26/09/2008 17:33:11
#23:

Places you will NOT be able to travel to on an ID card:-

1. USA
2. Canada
3. Monaco (I think)
4. Russia
5. India
6. South Africa
7. Namibia
8. Venezuela
9. Mexico
10. Australia

The list goes on...

The whole point about it is that there is no need for it. The state doesn't NEED to hold much of the information they are talking about centrally and frankly, I do not trust them.

Seeing as some people in positions of responsibility are so categorically stupid that they think nothing of sending a CD with the registration details of teachers through the normal mail, what evidence do I have that the personal data I provide to them will be safe?

At least by having various types of data in different locations, the personal risk is reduced in the event of stupid mistakes.
25

LittleTyke,

The Fens 27/09/2008 12:34:42
Jacqui Smith will come a cropper with her daft and expensive ID cards scheme. The British are incredibly disinterested in politics, but the ID card will hit them right between the eyes like an STI - completely unexpected. And once the little Hitlers among us, the council jobsworths, the parking wardens, the litter police, the dog mess patrols, the sausage roll (dropping of) monitors and many others in the "peaked cap" brigade start demanding to see our ID card in that officious tone that is almost unique to Britain, I predict that the usually tolerant British people will rise up as one and denounce Jacqui and her minders in a very deliberate manner. Back in the 1950s it took just one motorist to face down an officious police officer and the wartime ID card was toast. This is what will happen this time, too. Except it will have cost us taxpayers several billion quid to teach the government a lesson.
26

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 28/09/2008 01:34:08
Carried an Army ID card for most of my adult life.Never found it a problem,but this,they can take a running Ph**k at a rolling doughnut!I must be sickening for something I agree totally with #2 Guga ll on this topic. It is a CONTROL of everything measure.
As an adjunct to this story: They have just lost information on Air Force personnel past and present!Wonder if the enemy within are acquiring data on all and sundry,courtesy of the Neue Geheimstadtpolizei Labor Partei?
27

Statsman,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 15:19:14
The ultimate goal is to get us all to have RFID chips implanted.
28

Statsman,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 15:23:04
2 Guga II

It doesn't matter if you carry the card. It is about an ID database containing biometric information. Those in authority will be able to match you to the database whether you carry the card or not.

 

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