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Published Date: 02 January 2009
ALEX Salmond's hope of relying on this year's Homecoming celebrations to buck the global economic downturn received a massive £30 million boost from one of the most successful Hogmanay parties ever staged.
The New Year celebrations saw a huge influx of visitors from across the world to the Scottish capital, providing "a spectacular curtain-raiser" for the Year of Homecoming, ministers said.

The First Minister has repeatedly said this year's Homecoming initiative, which will see more than 300 events across the country from Burns Night through to St Andrew's Day, could provide a vital boost to help Scotland weather the economic downturn.

Much was riding on the success of Hogmanay celebrations which in recent years have been hit by bad weather and other problems.

And business and civic leaders expressed their delight after near-perfect weather conditions, a record number of events and an unprecedented influx of foreign visitors combined to turn Edinburgh's Hogmanay into one of the most successful of all time.

Similar events across the country were also staged largely without a hitch, with major concerts and parties held in Glasgow, Aberdeen and Stirling.

A spokesman for Linda Fabiani, the culture minister, said: "Edinburgh's Hogmanay celebrations, along with those the length and breadth of Scotland, have provided a spectacular curtain-raiser to the Year of Homecoming.

"All the indications are that visitor numbers from overseas during the New Year period have been holding up very well indeed, and that bodes well as we move into 2009.

"Homecoming is a key theme of the Scottish Government's economic recovery plan, and we are confident that the 300-plus events in the programme will help turn what threatened to be a visitor downturn into a tourist boom."

Clare Damodaran, from VisitScotland, said the success of Hogmanay would be crucial in kicking off the Homecoming initiative, both in highlighting the country to a worldwide audience and promoting Edinburgh as the gateway to the rest of Scotland.

She said: "Hogmanay in Scotland has been a great success, once again attracting visitors from all over the world, particularly to Edinburgh, and raising the profile of Edinburgh and Scotland to a global audience of millions."

Ministers hope there will be thousands of others like Carol Lindsay, 52, from Idaho, who came to Scotland for the Edinburgh Street Party and is thinking of returning to see more of the country, when it is a "bit warmer".

They will also be cheered by the views of Alice Collamtone, 24, from Tuscany, who said the Hogmanay celebrations had given her an appetite for more.

"We have already been thinking about coming back later in the year, when the weather is better and we can travel to the Highlands," she said.

After two cancellations in the last six years, there was pressure on Edinburgh's Hogmanay organisers to get it right this year, particularly as this Hogmanay party was being billed by ministers as the precursor for the year-long Homecoming 2009 celebrations.

There was relief as more than 100,000 people on and around Princes Street cheered fireworks that lit up the sky over the castle at midnight, before revellers united in a mile-long, raucous rendition of Auld Lang Syne – one of the innovations for this year.

Restaurants, bars and hotels in Edinburgh had suffered along with the rest of the UK from falling trade and the economic downturn. One restaurant manager said takings had been about 25 per cent down in the lead-up to Hogmanay.

But early indications suggested the four-day Hogmanay festival had given businesses the boost they needed.

The 2007-8 New Year celebrations generated £29 million for Edinburgh and, with more events and a greater number of foreign visitors, this year's events are expected to top that.

Russell Imrie, treasurer of the Edinburgh Principal Hotels Association, said: "We have noticed a higher proportion of European guests this Hogmanay compared to previous years. The pound-to-euro exchange rate makes it good value for money – although the majority of visitors still come from within the UK."

Councillor Steve Cardownie, festivals and events champion at Edinburgh City Council, estimated foreign visitors made up six per cent of the capital's revellers this year, double that of last year, and credit card holders from 57 countries had bought street passes.

Cllr Cardownie said the economic slowdown might actually have helped Edinburgh, with revellers from England deciding to stay in the UK and come to Edinburgh, rather than going abroad.

"We have an opportunity to impress these people. It's no good wringing our hands in anguish at the state of the economy, we should see it as an opportunity instead: they might come back again in the summertime or next year," he said.

With more events, venues and bands than ever before and only seven arrests in the city centre all night – four for disorder and three for breach of the peace – organisers said they were extremely pleased with how the Edinburgh Hogmanay celebrations had gone.

Pete Irvine, of Unique Events, the company behind the celebrations, said: "It went spectacularly well. This was the best street party we have had."

Iain MacMillan, director of the CBI in Scotland, said: "To see so many people contributing to Edinburgh's economy is very heartening. There were big events in Glasgow too and these things are very important for the economies of our two main cities. They are a very welcome start to the New Year."

IN NUMBERS

100,000 - revellers at the Edinburgh Street Party

7 - stages in the city centre

£30 million - generated for Edinburgh

30 - acts performing during the party

300 - events planned for Year of Homecoming

85 - percentage of visitors from Scotland to the Edinburgh Hogmanay celebrations

57 - different countries represented by credit card bookings for tickets

WHAT NEXT

• 25 January: Official Homecoming Burns Supper, hosted by Alex Salmond in Alloway, launching the Year of Homecoming.

• 29 January to 11 February: Sandi Thom's Homecoming Tour.

• 1 & 16 May: Spirit of the West, a new two-day whisky festival at Inveraray Castle, taking place as part of Whisky Month.

• Late May (date to be confirmed): The Homecoming Scottish Cup Final.

• 25-26 July: The Gathering 2009, Edinburgh, the greatest clan gathering in the world.

• 15 August: The World Pipe Band Championships, Glasgow.

• 18-20 September: Isle of Barra Whisky Galore Festival.

• 24-27 September: Clan Scott Society Gathering 2009.

• October (date to be confirmed): Scotland versus Ireland: Shinty/Hurling International.

• November: The Intercontinental Rally Challenge, a major international event highlighting Scotland's contribution to motorsport, taking place in Perth and Kinross and Stirling.

• 30 November: St Andrew's Day celebrations to close Year of Homecoming.




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1

Rufus-T-Firefly,

01/01/2009 22:43:55
What an underwhelming timetable of events.

How many of these are going to Generate any extra income?

The Homecoming Burns Supper wont.

The world famous Sandi Thom (who?) wont.

The Homecoming Scottish Cup Final definitely wont as it happens every year anyway.

The World Pipe Band Championships definitely wont as it also happens every year anyway.

The Scotland versus Ireland: Shinty/Hurling International will have a capacity of only 600 people.

If this is what is going to save the economy next year then God help us.
2

Darien,

Panama 01/01/2009 23:57:12
#1 RTF: "If this is what is going to save the economy next year then God help us."

My thoughts entirely. A street party is not what economic growth is about. And only 6% foreign visitors means 94% were local or from rest of UK - hardly impressive. Lets see some focus on trade development and real 'sustainable' economic activity. Homecoming events are fine, but the economy long-term needs to be based on much more than tourism and 'festivals'.
3

The Strategist,

02/01/2009 00:10:02
So #1 if Scotland's modest Homecoming celebrations are in your opinion a complete waste of space then do tell us what impact you think the 2012 London Olympics will have.
4

Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 00:16:44
Darien at Number 2 is spot on.

I am not saying the events are a waste of space I am saying that they are not going to pull Scotland out of the economic mire.

The Olympics are a completely separate issue.
5

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02/01/2009 00:21:22
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6

Wisnaeme,

02/01/2009 00:25:34

Judging from the first two scribblings.

I see the Scottish cringe still exists in some quarters.

A fine example of self help has generated £millions in revenues to aid a worthy enterprise.

...and from those wee Westmidden appeasers comes the age old cry.

It wull nae work. it's a disaster, it's mince and it's a conspiracy frae yon separatists.
Wur twa wee, wur cannae dae it, wur twa parochial. it honks o fish.

Why don't we celebrate Britishness instead? Maybe have some celebraties like Broon and Bliar pay a visit to the old country to promote it.

Hey, we can even have some morris dancing and maybe a beef eater or twa frae the tower.

.
7

Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 00:29:01
Oh Grow up Wisnaeme.

Look at that list of events above. They are not going to alleviate Scotlands economic woes in 2009.

Some of these things happen in a normal year anyway.

8

Elizabeth I (1558-1603 AD),

edinburgh 02/01/2009 00:29:39
Happy New Year to you all. Scotland, please grow up and remove one's chips from one's shoulders. If there is an AJ Fife (the nationalistic anti-english type) in your area don't be a sheep and follow the flock and agree with his/her views for the sake of it, stand up for your own individual opinions.
9

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 02/01/2009 00:47:14
It's a good agenda on a Westminster-limited budget. Alex will pull something out of the bag here. Or I'm not a Fifer and the Blue Mogganers didn't vote for a top skipper when they saw one.
10

John Millar,

Dollar 02/01/2009 00:47:38
I shall be attending several gigs through the year. And organising one as well.

Questions for Rufus T Firefly commentator:

Can you play a musical instrument?
Would you like to jam with us?
What tunes would you be up for playing?

Zappy New Wear
11

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 00:47:54

As if!! Salmond, gets all this Dosh!

All VAT and Tax goes to London!

Then a 'pittance' of 2.5% is given into our economy.

What about some positive steps? Like clamping down on the 'Greedy Energy Companies' to make life more tolerable, for our most 'Vulnerable'!


TALK IS CHEAP!, IT IS 'ACTION', THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES!




12

Wardog™,

02/01/2009 00:53:40
1+2 More Negativity.

Do you have anything positive to propose, any ideas, any policies to advocate.

Your both coming across as carping eedjits with no view other than attack Scotland and the SNP at every turn.

Isn't it time you lived up to your proclamation to love both Scotland and the Union and start supporting initiatives like Homecoming which according to the times is already a huge draw in Canada with thousands planning on visiting this year.

What a pair

13

Wardog™,

02/01/2009 01:03:29
7. Rufus firefly...

"...Some of these things happen in a normal year anyway....."

What a diddy you are.

And tell us rufus, what happens if more people come to these events because of homecoming?

Where do they all stay, where do they all eat, where do they all shop and how do they all get about?

Your stupidity knows no bounds
14

Wardog™,

02/01/2009 01:05:54
6 Wisnaeme, 02/01/2009 00:25:34

Aye, maybe rufus is advocating Brown's "british Day"

Funny how that one never took off, maybe the uber unionist hardliners are missing soemthing...... it's not very british to celebrate brithness unless your some mad wee empire reminicsing fundmentalist wiht a union jack on yer living room wall and a picture of king billy in yer hall.

.

15

UK007,

02/01/2009 01:08:12
#1/#4/#7 RFT: I agree with your astute comments and the readers should realise that you worked very hard to become a pessimist or maybe you are a natural born pessimist or even a child prodigy ? Go on tell us !!!
Whatever,congratulations on your efforts so far.
16

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 02/01/2009 01:30:01
The old tycoons of Scotland had a certain panache. Though utterly hard and obnoxious b'stards to a man. When building the Thermopylae or the Cutter Sark they didn't need to be excessively british or consider sooth o the Border.

Our modern ones could get into racing yachts too -- which our company does, as well as useful things like hydrographic survey vessels for the (Saudi Arabia) of Energy. But our order book is scanty.

How about a gentleman's day sailer for Tom Farmer to keep us productive in the meantime.
17

Wisnaeme,

02/01/2009 01:49:34
Post 14. Wardug.

I see yon eeejit Murphy has had his dignity affronted again. He's nae gonna be in charge, apparently. Folk are nae asking fer his advice either, apparently.

Apparently he is complaining about our government, in our parliament, in our capital city in our country are hijacking our national flag. Our national flag belongs to all Scots, says himself of the irrefutable logic.

Perhaps Westmidden should have insisted that this was a reserved issue.

Yup, maybe the eeejit could raise the issue in the Scottish parliament

... and let it be hence forth be referred to as Murphy's law.

.
18

Brian Hill,

02/01/2009 02:42:03
Great to see the unionists frothing at the mouth again. Must be really frustrating when after 20 months of continuous bile from every corner the SNP is STILL managing to forge ahead.

What about this: "And business and civic leaders expressed their delight after near-perfect weather conditions..."

The BBC was forecasting near ARTIC conditions all day.

But then they always portray Scotland in the worse possible light. When rain is forecast or even SNOW they have a massive blue shape stretching miles out into the Atlantic and/or North Sea....way beyond the Islands.

You would almost think they were trying to put tourists off on the one hand and depress the Scottish population on the other.

Fear and depression by the way make controlling populations much easier......a coincidence I'm sure.
19

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 02:55:52



Shylock Holmes ~17,

I think you should be careful, in what you say!


20

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 02/01/2009 03:05:58
When we want a Nation we need to come with the SNP.

It has its faults like ourselves but this is the project.

Scotland is not a peripheral region of Europe but at the crux of human migration. Here we suceed or we've shirked our task.
21

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 02/01/2009 05:28:38
The best thing about being Scottish is that when you celebrate that fact it makes all the Unionists like Rufus cringe.

I look forward to a year of watching Rufus and his ilk in a state of perpetual cringing.

I plan to come back for a family holiday in August. When the Pound should be at parity with my hard earned Dollars.

I will be buying loads of Kilts, Shortbread, Whiskey, Haggis, Smoked Salmon, Clan Map Tea Towels, and a set of Bagpipes so that I can introduce my Indonesia neighbors to the sweet sounds of the pipes.

It short I will spend my money on every cringingly Scottish item I can get my hands on. They make such fine Christmas gifts for my Unionist friends.
22

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 02/01/2009 05:35:57
Alba confracta !
23

Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 07:27:07
#13 Wardog

The Homecoming Scottish Cup Final. A sell out every year. How many extra tourists is that going to draw?

A Sandi Thom Concert Tour. How many extra tourists do you think that will attract?

I could go on, but even a Diddy like yourself must see the recurring theme here.
24

Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 07:33:13
#12 Wardog

You are wrong again. Darien is a vociferous nationalist.

He does not "attack Scotland and the SNP at every turn".

Do keep up old chap.
25

Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 07:37:52
#23 Kampung, so you are coming back to Scotland to buy "whiskey".

Would you not be better off going to Ireland for it?
26

Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 07:47:34
#19 Brian Hill. Congratulations on the post of the year so far.

So the BBC weather presenters are now deliberately scaring tourists from Scotland and depressing the local population by extending cloud cover out over the sea on the weather charts?

Dear oh dear oh dear.

Brian write a letter of complaint to them.

Maybe they could replace the cloud cover with pictures of palm trees or people sipping cocktails by a swimming pool.

Thanks Brian for cheering me up on a dark morning (Am I allowed to say dark?).
27

The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 08:04:30
If anyone misses Sandi Thom at the Homecoming Tour, you can catch her at Butlin's Weekend in Minehead.
28

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 08:08:26
Yok Finney please let us know what outstanding help you receive from Westmidden, to grow your business. Surely they can introduce you to all Browns Euro Mates. You know, the ones he saved from total financial collapse. Oh sorry that was bank subsidies, not shipbuilding help.

I wouldnt hold your breath mate, they may send pufus to help you. "You cannae do that and you cannae do this, because you are a useless Scot" That should fill your order books, having pufus and his ilk helping you market your business overseas.

Its time for Scots to vote the Scots Way. Once that happens our Corporate Taxes will go down, and we shall start to return our Nation to its rightfull place as an innovator in manufacturing, Oil, Tourism and Green Energy. You never know we could be like Russia, we could turn off the tap to Westmidden and throw the switch on the power running down to London.
29

gus1940,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 08:20:24
Regarding BBC weather forecasts - when is something going to be done about that distorted map which shrinks Scotland to about half its size.

Why does the projection have to be from some point above The Bay of Biscay and why does Land's End not appear until about 20% above the bottom of the screen?

If that were to be remedied Scotland coluld be shown in true relation to the rest of the UK.

Still, I suppose it suits the BBC's unionist agenda that Scotland shnould appear as small and insignificant as possible.
30

The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 08:23:17
http://www.sandithom.com/
31

The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 08:25:08
#31

I propose that an independent Scotland digs a trench along the border and sails away to the tropics.
32

The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 08:26:49
#31

Shetland can also be relocated so that it fits into the weather-maps more easily. Somewhere off the E coast of Caithness, perhaps. This would also reduce travel costs.
33

Phil C,

02/01/2009 08:30:23
The new year celebrations were successful. A good example of Scottish culture being recognised around the world. The Homecoming year is an attempt to increase that awareness, and boost visitor numbers. Alex Salmond is actively promoting this, and so should everone else in Scotland. Yet we have the usual moaners trying to deride and belittle these initiatives. Why?
34

Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 02/01/2009 08:46:20
As well as the weather, BBC news reports were even distorting the nature of the celbration itself. BBC teletext, even the "Scottish" pages, were reporting that people had gathered to "celebrate Hogmanay" (sic).

Why people would want to celebrate December 31st, rather than the start of the New Year, is anyone's guess.
35

GLW,

Tblisi 02/01/2009 08:51:05
The Scottish economy will get a tourist boost in 2009 but not by the Homecoming which is not even advertised abroad as the Wee Eck and the gang at Hollyrood know it would be a waste of money.

The boost will come from Easyjet, Ryanair and the like with their cheap flights and the weak pound.
36

Phil C,

02/01/2009 08:54:21
#38 Roseblue

I have been in London for New Year. It's rubbish, apart from some good fireworks. The Edinburgh celebration is about people though, and while many in England have difficulty recognising Edinburgh Castle, I can assure you that those who take part have a great time. If you took your blue-tinted glasses off you might appreciate that little area of England that we call Scotland!

I personally favoured the old boozy Tron celebrations, but I believe I'm in the minority!
37

For Scotlands Future,

02/01/2009 09:13:56
#31
I see that you have incurred the wrath of the unionists with your post. You must remember that the weather map also represents how, not only just the English, but also how these Scots view Scotland's place in the UK - some little peninsula somewhere to the north of England.

#35
Should change your name to Straw Man.
38

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 02/01/2009 09:19:39
#23
Just read the label and if it says "Produced and Bottled in Scotland" then it will be OK. Whiskey is what the Irish and Americans make.

Remember "Produced AND Bottled in Scotland".
39

Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 09:20:45
Whats with all the this about it being an SNP joke?It was wee Jack Mc who came up with this idea and has been carried on by the new goverment.This was one of wee Jack Numptys idea that was worth taking forward.
It is sutch a rareity the unionists dont recognise it.
Go for it Alex its worth a try and get away from all the doom and gloom merchants on here.
40

The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 09:21:20
#44 For SF

This is a proposal first made by the Corries, and has my full support.
41

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 09:25:03
It is always informative, if slightly depressing to read the comments of the serial cringers on this web-site.

The local Edinburgh economy receives a £30 million boost following the successful staging of the first part of the “Homecoming” tourist initiative.
However the whiners wail that this figure is of no significance, and would somehow have been achieved in what one of them refers to a “normal year”.

Have I got news for you!

If this figure of £30 million is accurate, and I accept that it is early days in terms of collating all the financial information required to justify it, it nonetheless represents a 50% increase in the last available statistics regarding the value to the Edinburgh economy of the Hogmanay party.

Now should this increase in the value of the tourist industry be replicated throughout the whole year of the Homecoming initiative, the added value to the Scottish economy would amount to a figure in of excess of £2 billion.

The annual block grant to Scotland from Westminster is around £27 billion, therefore an extra £2 billion is rather a significant amount.

42

Economic Exile,

Perth, Western Australia 02/01/2009 09:30:06
#38 Roseblue 2 "I never saw anything about Scottish culture... in England"

No change there then, eh? Living in Australia among people from all over the world I can assure you that the Scots and Scots culture is indeed recognised and celebrated around the globe. Interestingly, bagpipe playing here openly in the street is appreciated by the general populace and I know of a teenager recently in Perth who made a small fortune in tips after only 3 hrs of playing the pipes on Hogmanay. Contrast this with a young lad who received an ASBO a few years back in Edinburgh for doing the same thing!! I'd love to be able to return to Scotland for the Homecoming this year but I can't afford it. Still trying to build up my finances after years working in the NHS in Scotland and hence the reason for migrating to Oz in the first place.

Happy New Year to all in Scotland
43

The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 09:35:26
#50 Eco Ex

That is good, but unfortunately, we hear very little about Austrailian culture in Scotland. Rolf & Les have left a significant unfilled vaccuum.
44

Edward,

02/01/2009 09:46:54
I would love to know the true number of people who went to Edinburgh's Hogmany
Seems there is a loathing to actually let anyone know
Yesterday listned to BBC news early morning and they put the figures at 'tens of thousands' no mention of spectacular fireworks or the events that went on. Same news an hour later in the morning the figure went up to '100 thousand' and 'a fireworks display' (this is despite the BBC actually having cameras in, on and around the castle!). By the evening news it was '140 thousand'. Wat also got m was that the BBC always lead the New Years story with'London', and that was on all BBC channels.
Another interesting gem missed out and missed opportunity was that festivities started at 9 pm. Im not saying they should have started that early, bu the BBC and STV could have made more use of the run up, by recording the best bits and made up a ptogram that could have started ay 11 pm and themed it around the homecoming 2009, but then again the BBC dont want us to get abve ourselves.
As for the numbers that were in Edinburgh, would suggest they were much higher, taking that Princess Street alone is just over a mile long and was packed, plus the numbers in side street and George Street as well as the Royal Mile, worth pondering over
45

Edward,

02/01/2009 09:50:18
I welcome that there could be a boost t tourists from around the world, especially from euroland, considering the spending power of the euoland person has increased with the demise of the pound. But it will depend on the poeple having money in here pockets in the first place and the promotion of Scotland accross europe as well as the world
46

AJ Fife,

02/01/2009 09:54:04
Well done to Mr Salmond on a hugely successful start to the year.

Even the resident ultra-unionists have to agree; Scotland has never had a better leader.
47

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 09:56:22
To all of you who hold the interests of our country dear, and to wherever you may be:

Bliadhna mhath ùr.

48

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 02/01/2009 09:57:39
Bread and Circuses.
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MoClana,

02/01/2009 09:58:57
#38 Roseblue - Excellent to hear London is now ' taking over' in the Hogmany celebrations. It good to see what Scotland has exported to the world and the bringing together of many nations to reflect the year past and look forward to the future.

Its a perfect example of what makes the Scottish psyche distinctly different from the dominant anglo saxon culture which saturates every media channel and popular culture we have today.

If Scotland can promote itself within this very narrow window of opertunity, when world TV networks focus on Edinburgh, then just think what else we could bring to the international stage.

Im glad to see London attempting to make more of new year. It will mean more Londoners staying in London and not having to travel to Edinburgh, where the authentic and true celebrations can be found.

Soar Alba
50

The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 10:03:31
#57 MoClana

No! The "authentic and true celebrations" can be found only in Russia, and no-where else.

Soar Rusiya
51

Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 10:03:35
They should be advertising hurling as an event that can be seen in Glasgow City Centre any Friday or Saturday night throughout the year.
52

Masterpiece,

02/01/2009 10:07:37
Bliadhna Mhath Ur Dhuibh Uile. (agus a freagairt)
Agus Mar Sin Dhuibh Pein.
53

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 02/01/2009 10:07:58
Sorry for the mix up, spell checker set to American English. What I meant was uisge beatha
54

Masterpiece,

02/01/2009 10:15:36
Good to see a list of events which will take place during the coming year. I can only hope that there will be a wide range events in Gaelic as it seems that many of the visitors will be from families who left from the Gaelic-speaking areas of Scotland.

Indeed, if it had not been for these families few would it seems have kept any contact with Scotland down the generations.

Thankfully, the Scottish cringe does not seem to have had any effect among those Gaelic speakers, who not only value their language and culture but also use it on a day to day basis.
55

Economic Exile,

Perth, Western Australia 02/01/2009 10:19:43
#51 Tin man
Yes, Scots have contributed more to Australian culture than the other way around from the early settlers to modern icons like Bon Scott of ACDC of whom a statue was unveiled in Fremantle this year to great acclaim and popular support. You would have more of a chance to discuss Australian culture with Aussies first hand if those Australians who have historically visited and worked in Scotland were allowed to continue to do so without unnecessary restriction. For example, an Aussie nurse told me recently that she would love to live and work in Scotland but that she had been told from the UK nurses regulatory body that preference would be given to those nurses coming from other EU member states.

Pity, as a Mick, or Michaela, "Crocodile Dundee" would be a very useful ally when coming into contact with the rougher elements after a night out in Auld Reekie.
56

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 10:20:11
#58

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57

Unimpressed one,

02/01/2009 10:20:40
More affordable housing followed by new light industrial parks, zero business-rated for their first 3 years.
58

The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 10:25:05
#64 bully

I stand corrected.

Chinese new-year celebrations are the "authentic and true celebrations".

My apologies for being insular.

Soar China!
59

Gussie Fink-Nottle,

Auckland, NZ 02/01/2009 10:28:49
Gosh, what a spiffingly positive story from the Scotsman. I'd been led to believe this newspaper was very anti-SNP how wrong was that view?

I'm coming over with the rest of the Fink-Nottle clan for the gathering in July. A producer friend from TVNZ is covering the live, she reckons CNN AMerica will be there too. It'll be great. Well done Scotland, we're all proud of you. Happy New Year to all my friends in Stirling.




60

The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 10:29:44
#63 Eco Ex

Perhaps Australia should go for membership of the EU.

Apart from 'Back in Black' I do think that AC/DC went down-hill after the demise of Bon Scott, and I do miss Les.
61

Ross,

Athens 02/01/2009 10:34:58
Wait a second here. Is that the Scotsman actually being possitive about Alex Salmond?
Go on, just say it, good job-you can do it...
62

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 10:39:38
#64

Ah! What I attempted to post was “Happy New Year” in Russian script.
It looks like I have now managed to have posts censored in English, Scots, Gaelic, Latin and now Russian.
I guess I must have annoyed someone of some importance.
For Foulkes sakes, I cannot imagine who this might be.
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Masterpiece,

02/01/2009 10:41:52
Can someone tell me what is so distinctive about the
H-og maidne (Hogmannay) Celebrations in Edinburgh that they would be reported World-wide?

Are the Scottish Celebrations exactly the same as elsewhere with big Anglo-Scottish or Anglo-American Rock Bands which blast your hearing to Kingdom-come.

So what exactly is there to show that they are worthy to be even called Scottish Celebrations.
Who knows maybe the Toronto Celebrations are even more Scottish than the Edinburgh ones considering the high cringe levels found in Scotland year round.
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TWC,

02/01/2009 10:51:22
We start the New Year with the usual New labour sour faced posters.
The fact is the Skull is desperate to be associated with the Homecoming plans. This guy is struggling to say anything positive about Scotland and he really is irrelevent.
Brown's economic impact on the UK will become apparent over the next 3-6 months and it won't be pretty so every Euro we can get is important.
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The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 10:52:47
#70

S'Novim godom!

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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/01/2009 11:01:58
Great news. This is bound to cause much angst to all Unionists.............
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Masterpiece,

02/01/2009 11:22:24
It is a delight to support any event that helps to raise Scotlands own self-worth among the general population.
If this helps as I think it will so much the better.

We continually hear about the Scottish Cringe but what is a your meaning of these two seemingly important words.
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Geoff,

sa 02/01/2009 11:26:16
I am looking forward to coming "home" to Kintyre next year. Hope dyed in the wool Unionists such as myself will also be welcome Alex! On the subject sounds like a nice boost for Scotland.-though how all those people survived the cold in Edinburgh is beyond me!!
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Geoff,

sa 02/01/2009 11:27:06
Sorry tht should of course be "this year"
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 02/01/2009 11:29:13
So what we are really saying is that the weak pound is going to give a bigger boost to the Homecoming events than anything else. It's a gey sad and perverse acclaimation when we will be welcoming home tourists to this "forgotten land" at a time when many of the indigenous population who continue to strive to make a living here, year after year, are now facing virtual economic wipe out thanks to the deeds of our "iconic" banking/financial services sector, who not that long ago were lauded by the likes of Mr Salmond as the mainstay of Scotlands future.

When is Salmond and Co going to announce the long awaited capital works initiatives to expand our renewable energy capacity? Its all very well posting some "prize" not due for payout until 2015, but where's the real deeds and actions required NOW, TODAY? The mans an imposter!
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Euan,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 11:38:09
It's all very well saying that some of these events have helped the local economy here in Edinburgh 'weather the storm', but just who exactly has benefitted?

The fact is many businesses in Edinburgh which may have had a small boost to their takings over the festive season are going to have it all taken away from them (and then some) when the tram works re-start in January.

Then come February, city centre shops and restaurants are going to get an 10 month-long kick in the stones when Princess St is shut and all major bus and taxi traffic is funneled along George St.

Is this the way to 'weather the economic downturn'?

I think not..


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calum,

02/01/2009 11:46:20
I'm no economist, but presumably the £30m "guesstimate" came at a price ...... the cost of the bands, the stages, the squibs, the polis, the health services, the fire service, all the same for the preceding days, the cooncil officials and not forgetting the fees for Pete Irvine's Unique Events. BTW, I'd be interested to know just how much is charged by the cooncil for the promoters of the ice rink, big wheel, German market etc. etc. and how how much they (the promoters and companies)get in revenue from the punters. Presumably their takings are part of the £30m calculation.
Not looking quite so rosy now, eh Alex?
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marmalade sandwich,

scotland 02/01/2009 12:02:47
#80 calum

Aye, and the annual cost of replanting/returfing all the grass round the Scott Monument every year - after what was there has been trampled to death and ruined. Sheer madness. And a waste of a good lawn.
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Publius,

Girvan 02/01/2009 12:21:02
I've just woken up from the New Year Party, had a coffee and turned on my laptop to look at the Hootsmon. I'm feeling bloodyminded and am looking forward to Linda Fabiani going home to Italy. With luck she won't come back.
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 12:25:54

Rufus Bluebottle again chooses cringe over celebration, attacking initiatives instead of supporting them, anything it would appear so long as it do's down Scotland.

Is this really the face of unionism in Scotland, a band of bitter poster son the Scotsman website intently posting against the SNP.....

How sad

Yet this same mortal claims he's proud of Scotland.

Proud of what Rufus?

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Alan Reid,

London 02/01/2009 12:40:03
Rufus: "They are not going to alleviate Scotlands economic woes in 2009"

The only real thing that will do this is for Scotland to gain independance.

And here is another reason why this country needs it.
Check it out old boy.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/B1E53CDE-1B2E-4962-BA19-6B2555DD5EB3/73142/Infobrochuretext.txt
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Alan Reid,

London 02/01/2009 12:48:50
80 calum, What about the cost of policing a bunch of inbred thick stupid unionist morons who have so lack of self esteem that they have to goose step down a street in Glasgow or Edinburgh waving a flag, in the pathetic attempt to feel part of their little tribe.
I am of course talking about the orange Order, why should the taxpaying public fork out for these sc@m, truly they are THE SCOTTISH cringe.
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TWC,

02/01/2009 12:53:40
78 Liberal for life

I would like to see the Fiscal Stimulus portion that Mr Brown is going to spend in Scotland.
Perhaps there will be Barnett cosequentials to cover the stimulus.
Our pocket money did not include the Fiscal stimulus when it was granted, so there should be more money.

The reason for our troubles is Gordon Brown and don't forget it. That is why we need Fiscal Autonomy.
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BorderLineScottish,

02/01/2009 12:55:42
#39 Colin Wilson
"Scottish pages, were reporting that people had gathered to "celebrate Hogmanay" (sic).

Why people would want to celebrate December 31st, rather than the start of the New Year, is anyone's guess."

Hogmanay IS the the start of the celebrations that last into Ne'erday. And beyond, in Scotland's case.

January 1st as New Years day was adopted by the Romans in 45 BC and not adopted by Scotland until 1600AD. The New Year festival was celebrated by the Babylonians as far back as 4000 BC.

Hogmanay is believed to be derived from Norse tradition.

Personally, I couldn't give a fig about where it comes from, as it has been distorted, along with Christmas, into an orgy of commercialism and an excuse to get pi**ed from morning 'till night for the entire fortnight.

As for the guy in Australia playing the bagpipes on New Year's Eve, well, that just sums up the World's incorrect assumption that all thing "New year" stem from Scotland. What a pity they can't get their backsides on a plane and actually visit instead of briefly becoming consumed with sentimental tosh!

The BBC weather map also distorts the North of England and is indicative of the London-centric views of the Beeb. Didn't you know that good weather only affects London and the South, the rest of the UK is just frozen tundra!
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Ted & Janet,

Belwood Ontario Canada 02/01/2009 13:03:20
When we came home last September, we noticed everything from Petrol to Food costs more than double what it does here! That being said I think the only people that will be coming "home" this year will be people like Clan chiefs from the USA and elsewhere as they have lots of "money" to spend, on average the people in North America are living thru the great Recession with lots of people out of work due to massive layoffs in many workplaces, glad that Scotland does not have the same problems that we have here.
In Nova Scotia the Gaelic speakers are numerous, not so much in other parts of Canada, but Pipe Bands are numerous, all over Canada, good luck on your home coming venture!
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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 02/01/2009 13:09:20
Re #87 : "Hogmanay IS the the start of the celebrations that last into Ne'erday"

That's true, but what's being celebrated is the New Year. Not Hogmanay.

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Tris,

02/01/2009 13:09:36
#3

Ah yes... It's the Olympics that will buck the trend and leave our country blissfully renewed... think of all these stadia, and houses and the transport system that will completely transform the country. There's not a place that will not be touched by these Olympics. Stornaway to Auchtermuchty will benefit like never before. All the young people will stop drinking and taking drugs and start to train 7 days a week, and crime will all but disappear, as money is spent on sporting facilities in Thurso and Wick, Forfar and Brechin. Thank goodness that Gordon Brown (saviour of the universe)had the vision and the ability to get these Olympics for the people of Scotland. Only 4 years and 25 billion pounds to spend and.... everything will be perfect. Eat your heart out Paris!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 13:30:59
''If this is what is going to save the economy next year then God help us''

Nice to see a bit of reality in one of your posts Rufus - you're admitting that we may need divine intervention to get through this !

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Nikostratos,,

02/01/2009 13:37:57
#79 Euan,Edinburgh

So up himself as usual..I do think so
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TWC,

02/01/2009 13:43:49
94 Nikostratos,,

Yes Salmond is the only man who can strut while sitting down....

Still rather that than the lemon sookers with their Negative attitude to everything Scottish and their inability to come up with a single idea.
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Masterpiece,

02/01/2009 13:45:37
Did any of you see the BBC ALBA New Year programme?
I was told it was really good but missed it as I was out at a really good Gaelic Ceilidh with singers and fiddle players. (Seinneadairean agus Fidhlearan).
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 13:47:16
Niko

Where have YOU been hiding?

HNY to you and yours.
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 13:56:36
NOT FLASH: JUST GORDON

Changes to the way businesses are taxed has cost half a million of Britain's smallest companies an additional £2.4 billion over four years. The extra tax amounts to an average £3,483 for the smallest firms, wiping out the equivalent of 10 months' typical profits over the period.

Gordon Brown is trying to tax small family companies out of existence

As Chancellor n 2006, Mr Brown abolished the 0% rate of corporation tax paid by businesses with annual profits lower than £10,000, which became liable for the full small companies rate, currently standing at 21%.

Some 251,626 firms were affected, paying a combined total of £876 million in corporation tax in the four years from the abolition of the exemption until the end of next year, said Ms Greening. This is the equivalent of £3,483 per company, in a sector where average annual profits amount to around £4,300.

Brown, stamping on the small man, handing out our money to fat cats
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salmondella,

UK 02/01/2009 13:57:23
I'm pleased that the Edinburgh Street Party has made a welcome comeback and that this bodes well for the future homecoming events. The fact that Alex Salmond, the worst leader Scotland has ever had ( and time will prove me right) is up to his usual opportunistic rhetoric in taking the plaudits will not put me off from joining in the events that I can afford to attend. However, for the vast majority of Scottish families living in the deprived housing estates of Easterhouse, Craigmillar, Woodburn etc, these events will be meaningless and pretty well ignored just as the Edinburgh Fetival is meaningless to the people of Pilton or Niddrie. The wimmers will be big business as usual who put nothing into the economy when its going ok for them and then depend on the working man to bail them out when things are going bad for them.

The NATS will use these events to cover up for their hopeless lack of ideas and total impotence when its comes to making the real changes that will make real differences in our lives. When will we ever learn?
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TWC,

02/01/2009 13:58:02
98 Coileach an taobh Tuath,

Robbing the poor to help the rich
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TWC,

02/01/2009 13:58:58
99 salmondella

And New Labour's ideas are.........?
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 14:04:23
101

Cross fingers and hope?
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 14:08:04
99 Salmon & Ella

"...The fact that Alex Salmond, the worst leader Scotland has ever had ( and time will prove me right)....."

Were you shaking your fist when you typed that.

Can you name some of Scotland's great leaders so we know exactly who you are comparing Salmond with?

As for "hopeless lack of ideas ..... actions so far....

Freezing Council Tax
Introducing a Local Income Tax System based on ABILITY TO PAY
Local Government Agreement giving Greater Accountability
Forth & TA Bridge Tolls Scrapped
Making a decision on the New Forth Road Bridge
More Police on the Street
Record Funds to cap Public Transport Fare
Carbon Index on Future Budgets
New Drugs Rehabilitation Bill
Cutting Small Business Rates
New Money for Community Climate Challenge Fund
Extra Captial Spending for Edinburgh
New Health Screening Programmes
Phasing out prescription charges
Reducing hospital waiting times
Tackling Poverty Fund of £145m.
Dealing with Alcohol Misuse with tough new measures
Dealing with Smoking, Obesity & Heath in Scotland's Young
Promoting Europe's Largest Wind Farms & New Hydrogen Plant
Giving the go-ahead for Scotland first commercial Tidal project.
Increasing Energy Efficiency Funds
Reduced class sizes in Early Years
50% more nursery places for 3-4 Year Olds
Extending Free School Meals Pilot
Universities and Colleges Investment of £1.7bn
New Partnerhsip between Universities & Government
Grant Support for Students of £509m.
Scrapping the Endowment Fee
Improved Rail Links, Giving the Go Ahead for the Borders Railway
Dualling Sections of the A9
Increasing Social Housing through HomeSTAKE
Control over Fisheries Conservation Measures
Supporting the Scottish Fishing Industry with Action Plan & Funding
Extending NHS Screening Programs for Men
Setting up the Scottish Futures Trust
Reducing Classes for P1-2 to 18
Introducing PiP's, saving Buyers £7M annually
Reforming Health Boards
Introducing tighter Smoking Advertisement Rules
Int
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 14:09:15
cont'd

let's compare that with Labour shall we

100% increase in basic rate Income Tax
Pensions obliterated during a series of raids by Brown
Pension Stocks annihilated by a Crisis exacerbated by Brown's Polices
£12Billion squandered on a 2% VAT cut on Party Frocks....
Bailing out the Fat Cats
Illegal Wars
Backroom Deals on Abortion Rights
Sky High Council Tax
Prison Population out of control
Methadone Programme instead of proper Rehabilitation
Binge Drinking out of Control
Abject Failure to deal with anti-social behaviour
Airguns remain a serious threat in Scotland
Welfare Reforms welcomed by Tories
Privatisation of NHS and City Academies
Post Office closures and expected Privatisation
Party Sleaze / Dodgy Donations / Cash for Honours
Dodgy Arms deals with Middle East
Abolishing Scottish Regiments / Poorly Equipping our Soldiers
UK Government withholding over £1BILLION from Scots.
10 year Transport Plan Total Failure
New Nuclear Power at expense of Renewables
£250 BILLION on renewing Trident System
Humiliating defeat over 42 pre charge detention
Actively deregulated Financial Services
Presided over the biggest Personal Debt crisis ever known.
Poverty Gap Trend Increasing
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 14:10:11


damming isn't it
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 14:12:16
# Rufus 28 naturally has to belittle the art of psychological warfare by the BBC and unionist media generally but anyone who doesn't believe that the unionists are resorting to subtle but daily acts designed to drive down Scotland's self image and self esteem hasn't been reading their history books.

# 31 Gus1940 points out another aspect of this in the BBC's distorted map showing Scotland to be much smaller than it is, or as Gus1940 says:

"Still, I suppose it suits the BBC's unionist agenda that Scotland should appear as small and insignificant as possible."
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 14:14:09
100 TWC

Aye TW, Brown's plundering of the less well off continues unabated.

Not content with DOUBLING the basic rate on low earners, his binge borrw & spend will not be lumped onto everyone to pay.

The last twelve years will be remembered for the excessive gluttony of the middle classes and well off getting fat on house profits whilst anyone from a poor background looked on and saw their communities devastated. with high council tax, low attainment levels, exceptionally poor help and a growing gap between themselves and the rich.

Gordon Brown has the utter cheek to call himself a socialist.

He is quite simply a disgrace


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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 14:15:28
Oh also # 28 Rufus, the blue doesn't represent cloud cover, that's usually white, the blue represents cold and rain, you know, really cheery stuff.

Why would we need to know that it's raining a hundred miles out to see and even more ridiculous, why do we need to know it's snowing out there also?
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 14:20:15
#25 Rufus Firefly

"....The Homecoming Scottish Cup Final. A sell out every year....."

That statement alone shows just how little you actually think before engaging your you sticky wee digits..... a sell out every year, what a hoot!

"....A Sandi Thom Concert Tour. How many extra tourists do you think that will attract?....."

Quite a few I'd imagine given there will be well over 12 gigs spread across the country. Again though your utter contempt for any Scottish success singles you out as unionist fundamentalist hardliner intent on belittling Scotland and her talent.


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salmondella,

UK 02/01/2009 14:28:59
#103 and TWC - Labour aside, I rightly point out that the SNP have had little or no effect on peoples lives, despite your huge list of piecemeal reforms that add up to very little -just ask the the family in Easterhouse, Castlemilk of Craigmillar what effect that the SNP have had on their standard of living - the answer will be as meaningful as your list - nought! You fail to get the point - the point that only radical and fundemental change of a revolutionary nature will even begin to change things, not the easy wee things that even the Liberals could do. - Neither the present reformist policies of the SNP or New Labour can acheive such change -simple as that.
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The Tin Man,

02/01/2009 14:34:05
#107

Here's what they did in 2008:

Abolition of Bridge Tolls (Scotland) Act 2008 asp 1
Budget (Scotland) Act 2008 asp 2
Glasgow Commonwealth Games Act 2008 asp 4
Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Act 2008 asp 3 (not put into practice)
Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Act 2008 asp 6 (waffle)
Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008 asp 5 (waffle)
Scottish Register of Tartans Act 2008 asp 7

Shouldn't that be 'Caileach' by the way?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 14:35:46
112 That's a reasonable point of view for a revolutionary - all the mainstream parties are reformist. But why your special venom for the SNP ? They never pretended they were anything other than a left of centre socially democratic political party (which they are). Between both sets of reformers, I think the SNP are better at it, so I don't really understand your position.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 14:38:23
112 My mother and father in law live in Castlemilk, they vote SNP. When people like them switch (lifelong supporters of Labour) you know that Labour are in serious trouble.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 14:49:44
117 so Salmondella is a revolutionary unionist then, a bit confusing that one. Perhaps he can explain.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 14:55:40
116 Observer,,Glasgow 02/01/2009 14:38:23
112 My mother and father in law live in Castlemilk, they vote SNP. When people like them switch (lifelong supporters of Labour) you know that Labour are in serious trouble.
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They probably just tell you that you keep you quiet.

:-)
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 15:09:34
110 Coileach an taobh Tuath,02/01/2009 14:20:15
#25 Rufus Firefly

"....The Homecoming Scottish Cup Final. A sell out every year....."

That statement alone shows just how little you actually think before engaging your you sticky wee digits..... a sell out every year, what a hoot!
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So Mr Football, are you saying it is not a sellout every year?

Whats the capacity of Hampden and what have been the crowds for the last 3 years (for example)?

Prove your nonsensical point.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 15:10:27
120 Union is ­Best,02/01/2009 15:00:28
119. Rufus, our intreprid 24/7 warrior for the Union! Excellent work with another 20 hour session I see. Jackie is very pleased.
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Happy New Year Aberdeenshire Scot.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 15:16:53
110 Coileach an taobh Tuath,02/01/2009 14:20:15
#25 Rufus Firefly

"....A Sandi Thom Concert Tour. How many extra tourists do you think that will attract?....."

Quite a few I'd imagine given there will be well over 12 gigs spread across the country. ====================================================

What she is playing well over 12 gigs?

Really??
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 15:18:01
123 Union is ­Best,02/01/2009 15:14:33
122. Rufus, stop trying to associate me with deramged Natz.
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Yeah Whatever.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 15:21:28
108 Brian Hill,Edinburgh 02/01/2009 14:15:28
Why would we need to know that it's raining a hundred miles out to see and even more ridiculous, why do we need to know it's snowing out there also?
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Alex Salmond may be on a boat to Iceland to witness at first hand the Arc of Insolvency.

Nevsky may be on a boat to Norway, the country of his dreams.

As you see there could be many reasons.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

02/01/2009 15:47:31
What would help the economy along a smidge in 2009, would be if the Westminster Treasury ownership of the banks leads to improved terms for PFI contracts between public bodies and those banks in which the UK Government now owns major shares in...After all why should we pay loan sharks twice?
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Florence,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 15:48:13
115 OBSERVER: Union is Best's posts are always tongue-in-cheek and most enjoyable they are too. I wish he/she posted more often, they are a real joy to read.
Happy New Year, Union is Best.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 16:18:17
133 Yes Florence, I had worked that out. I was just looking forward to a political discourse on ''revolutionary unionism'' by Salmondella. Looks like I'm going to be disappointed.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 16:22:42
140 You are a total weirdo.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 16:35:36
143 Posting over the bells is mental whoever did it.

Some folks should stop taking this posting lark too seriously.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 16:37:42
145 Your comments are a useless waste of space and indicate that you have issues. Please stop.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 16:41:06
I am being compassionate 148. Somebody here isn't a well man and needs to be told that. Sometimes you've got to be cruel to be kind.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 16:45:34
151 You have your posts prepared, you are a sick man. Seek help - but not here.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 16:51:21
It's the ''i'' the fake always posts, instead of I. It's a dead give-away. It uses it all the time. Whoever you are you're a mental weirdo and you did post over the bells, we all read it later. Get a life, saddo.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

02/01/2009 16:55:05
Union is Best

What an excellent idea having 2009 as Great British Year of Home-Repossession. Allied to "Britishness Day", this could bring work for the soon to be redundant workers in the financial services industry.

Millions of Butcher's Aprons will be required.

Any more great ideas and I will have to reconsider my support for Alex and his government.

Happy New Britishness Year
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Truely English,

02/01/2009 17:06:47
Hope you all had a pleasant time during the New Year celebrations both in Britain and overseas.

This year will be extremely important for all British people to pull together and make the best of the hard times ahead both on the economic and political fronts.

We will also want to wish our Queen and her Family the best of health and happiness and the continued support of the nation.

Scotland has always been a great joy for me as I have worked with lots of Scottish people over many decades both at home and abroad and have taken a special interest in Scotlands place in the Union over the past 20 years.

What always surprises me is just how alike we British people are, rather than the differences some would want to believe are there.
We share the same English language and culture thankfully and this gives an added dimension of closeness, which makes us all truly British.

Having The Kilt for special occassions will most likely help me to be more of a Britisher when next in Edinburgh.




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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 17:08:02
Rufus

You're faking of Aberdeenshire Scot is sooooo blatant.

As subtle as an iron lung one might say ....
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 17:08:42
161

Dreadful grammar by me. Your faking obviously. Whatever came over me?
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 17:09:28
Then again - it could be Sam!
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 17:11:27
Observer

Correct. The "i" is Sam's trademark.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 17:16:04
Hugh, do you really believe I am? I can swear on my mothers life I am not.

The moderator is welcome to investigate all my posts today. All my posts from Hogmanay and January 1st.

He will then see that the IP Address that these posts are coming from is not an IP address I have ever used.

Interestingly I put the 'fake' Aberdeenshire Scot into a word document and tabbed along as you suggested yesterday, and there are no hidden spaces.

So what does that suggest? He is faking himself?

No doubt he is.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 17:20:22
Union is Best, try growing up.

You know it is not me.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

02/01/2009 17:20:44
#160 Truely English what special occassions (sic) will you be wearing a kilt for, and might I ask what clan you belong to?
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:22:36
121 Rufus

Cup Final Attendance Records
Hampden Capacity 52,500

2007/08 - Att 48821 - NOT A SELL OUT
2006/07 - Att 49,600 - NOT A SELL OUT
2005/06 - Att 51,232 - NOT A SELL OUT
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 17:24:40
165 You'd be in a much better position defending yourself if you didn't insist on attacking other people.

BTW I don't think it's you.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 17:28:24
Can't comment on the Gaza story again. Pathetic.
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TWC,

02/01/2009 17:30:46
112 salmondella
you are right in saying that SNP are limited in their ability to help the poor but it is a problem that will afflict Holyrood until Financial Autonomy is secured.
The real worry is that apart from SNP nobody is offering control of the purse which means we need to vote for SNP or accept status quo; and I will not accept the current financial agreement.
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Shenachy,

South Queensferry 02/01/2009 17:34:18
Just arrived on site – been on extended celebrations – but what a depressing list of posts to start the new year.
‘Rufus-T-Firefly’ and ‘Darien,Panama’ and their like – what miserable excuses they are for human beings! Moan Moan Moan – we cannae dae it – whatever it is, we just cannae dae it! How I pity any poor soul who lives in the same house as any of you, waking up each day to a diet of negativity and hate for one’s own nation.
As for ‘salmondella,UK,’ he keeps twittering on about Easterhouse, Castlemilk or Craigmillar not getting anything from it all. The majority of Scots don’t live there, me included, and I don’t expect the celebrations to put a single penny into my pocket but like all true Scots I welcome and support any plans, from whatever political party, to boost the image and reputation of my country and to celebrate its positive aspects (God knows we have enough negative ones). Finally, it is one of the functions of a Scottish government to promote Scotland – irrespective of party politics. Get a life!
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 17:36:59
169 Coileach an taobh Tuath,02/01/2009 17:22:36
121 Rufus

Cup Final Attendance Records
Hampden Capacity 52,500

2007/08 - Att 48821 - NOT A SELL OUT
2006/07 - Att 49,600 - NOT A SELL OUT
2005/06 - Att 51,232 - NOT A SELL OUT
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These are sell outs.

Not every seat gets used due to segregation of fans and people not turning up on the day.

For example the Hearts v Gretna Final in 2006 was a sell out. I was there and many of my mates could not get any tickets as the game was sold out.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

02/01/2009 17:40:01
#174 So you're saying you hope the democratically elected First Minister of Scotland is strangled by aliens? What a very odd person you must be.

Do you wish further auto-erotica on any other elected politicians?
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 17:41:36
170 Observer,,Glasgow 02/01/2009 17:24:40
165 You'd be in a much better position defending yourself if you didn't insist on attacking other people.
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Thats a bit unfair.

Who have I attacked today??

Also as for negative posts, I make loads of positive posts that everybody chooses to ignore.

For example the 'Majority want to keep sterling' story today. I was the the person making positive posts and then everybody starts shouting me down!

As for the fake postings, clearly its not me. If it was I would have been banned.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

02/01/2009 17:42:27
#175 Rufus as a Jambo, any predictions for tomorrows derby?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 17:43:12
174 Is this the man who attended a dinner at Churchill College and who presumably benefitted from an attached education ? Reduced to ad hominem attack ? Surely not. After all Winnie was hardly a male model now, was he ?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 17:44:55
177 I suggest you read your own post referred to, dear.
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:47:00

Homecoming 2009

DECEMBER 08 - JANUARY 09
Dec 30: The Dancin’
Dec 31: Hogmanay
Jan - May: The Homecoming Scottish Cup
Jan - Nov: Zig Zag: The Paths of Robert Burns
Jan - Nov: Border League and Kings of The 7s
Jan - Nov: Scottish National Portrait Gallery
Jan - Dec: The John Muir Odyssey
Jan 14: The Lives of Robert Burns
Jan 14 - Feb 3: Burnsfest
Jan 14 - April 25: Be Near Me
Jan 15 - 17: Robert Burns 1759-2009
Jan 15 - Feb 1: Celtic Connections Homecoming Celebrations
Jan 21: World Burns Night
Jan 21 - Aug: As Others See Us
Jan 24 - 25: Burns 250th Anniversary Weekend
Jan 23 - 25: Burns Illuminated
Jan 23 - 25: Burns Wha Hae
Jan 23 - 25: World Famous Burns Supper
Jan 24: Iconic Burns
Jan 24 - Nov: This Is Who We Are
Jan 25: Burns Light
Jan 25 - Nov: North Carrick Burns Celebrations
Jan 26 - Dec 31: Famous Scots
Jan 29 - Feb 11: Sandi Thom’s 2009 Homecoming Tour
Jan 29 - Feb 14: Tam O’Shanter
Jan 29 - Nov 30: Mackintosh 100
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:47:09
FEBRUARY 09
Feb - April: Scottish Tides-Polish Spring
Feb 4, 11 18, 25: Galloway Gatherings
Feb 12 - 22: Glasgow Film Festival – Great Scots!
Feb 14 - April 11: somebodyelse – Graham Fagen Exhibition
Feb 14 - May 16: Creative Burns
Feb 14 - Aug 1: Precious Cargo Exhibition

MARCH 09
March 1 - Nov 30: Homecoming Trad Music Sessions
March - Dec: Come Home to Museums in Fife
Mar 6 - 14: Aye Write! The Bank of Scotland Book Festival
March 6 - May 23: Scots Music Abroad
Mar 6-May 23: Scots Music Abroad
Mar 12-29: Magners Glasgow International Comedy Festival
March 14: I Murder Hate
March 16 - 20: Caithness International Science Festival
Mar 18-22: StAnza: Scotland's Poetry Festival
March 27 - 29: Hawick Reivers Festival
Mar 29: Mauchline Plough Match
March 31 - April 2: Smith in Glasgow ‘09
March 31 - April 6: Stirling’s Tartan Day
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:47:22
APRIL 09
April - Sept: Following in the Family Footsteps
April - Dec: Scotch Whisky Experience
April 3 - 8: Edinburgh International Harp Festival
April 4 - Sept 20: Inspired
April 6-18: Edinburgh International Science Festival
April 10 - 12: Northern Nashville Caithness Country Music Festival
April 10 - 12: Melrose 7s
April 25: Scottish Family History Fair and SAFHS Conference
April 30: Beltane Fire Festival
mAY 17: Etape Caledonia
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:47:28
MAY 09
May 1 - 31: Whisky Month
May*: The Homecoming Scottish Cup Final
May Enthusiasm for Scotch
May - Oct Roots and Boughs: Summer in the Straths
May - Oct Scottish Homecoming Golf Classics
May 1 - 4: Scottish Mining Mayfest
May 1 - 10: Spirit of Speyside Whisky Festival
May 1 - Sept 30 Scottish Games Association
May 2 - 3 The Magic Weekend
May 2 - 3 Big in Falkirk
May 2 - 9 Caithness & Sutherland Walking Festival
May 2 - Oct 17 Adventurers, Statesmen and Inventors: Local Impact on Global Lives
May 3 Bupa Great Edinburgh Run
May 8 - 10 The Drambuie Pursuit
May 8 - 10 Ullapool Book Festival
May 9 -10: Culloden - From Battle to Exile
May 10 Gourock Highland Games 2009
May 12 - 17 Word 09 – University of Aberdeen Writers Festival
May 12 - 24 The World Mountain Bike Conference on Sustainability and The Original Bicycle Festival
May 13 - 17: Word 09 - University of Aberdeen Writers Festival
May 15 - Oct 17 Whisky Galore – A Musical!
May 15 - 26 Borders Festival of the Horse
May 16 The Scottish Pipe Band Championship
May 16 The Robert Burns Humanitarian Award 2009
May 16 - 17: Spirit of the West
May 16 - 24: Burns an' a' That! 2009
May 17: Etape Caledonia
May 17 - 23: Cape Wrath Challenge
May 20 - 21: All-Energy ‘09
May 20 - 23: Loch Lomond Quilt Show - Homecoming Quilts
May 23: Edinburgh 2009 Heineken Cup Final
May 23: Mauchline Holy Fair
May 23 - 24: Party at the Palace 1503
May 23 - 24: Traquair Medieval Fayre
May 23 - Sept 12: Alexander Stoddart: Drawings and Models
May 29 - 31: Gardening Scotland 2009
May 30 - 31: Emirates Airline Edinburgh 7s
May 30 - Sept 12: Ayrshire Innovators
May 31: Albert Bartlett Edinburgh Marathon
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:47:36
JUNE 09
Jun - Aug: Return to the Ridings
Jun - Nov: Meet your Ancestors in Clackmannanshire
June - Dec: Where Tomorrow Begins
June 1 - Aug 31: Whole in One Golf Exhibition
June 4 - Aug 20: 25th Summer Season of Scottish Country Dance
June 5 - 13: Nairn Book and Arts Festival
June 6: Shotts Highland Games
June 6 - 7: Nissan UCI Mountain Bike World Cup
Jun 14 - 16: Forbes CEO Forum
Jun 16 - 20: The Crossing
Jun 17 - 28: Edinburgh International Film Festival
June 18 - 21: Small Islands Film Festival
June 18 - 21: Borders Book Festival
June 19 - 21: Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Sailor – Routes to Your Scottish Roots
June 19 - 21: Helensburgh Bi-Centenary Pipe Band and Highland Dancing Competition
Jun 20 - 21: The Outsider
June 21: City of Aberdeen Highland Games
Jun 25 - 28: Royal Highland Show
June 26 - Oct 11: A Home Away From Home: The Scottish Emigration Experience
June 27: Dumfries Family History Homecoming Fair
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:47:44
JULY 09
July: Scottish Perthshire Hill Rally
July 2 - 5: The Scottish Traditional Boat Festival
July 3 - 5: The Scottish Game Fair
July 5: Cupar Highland Games
July 6 - 25: I Kent His Faither: Musselburgh’s People Past and Present
July 9 - 12: The Barclays Scottish Open
July 10 - 12: T in the Park
July 11: The Famous Alva Games
July 11 - 25: Classic Malts™ Cruise
July 12 - Aug 2: Bridge of Allan, Callander, Killin and Stirling Highland Games
July 15 - 18: Hebridean Celtic Festival
July 16 - 19: The Open Championship
July 17 - 23: The Hidden Jewel
July 17 - Aug 16: Art on the Map 2009
July 18: The Loch Lomond Highland Games
July 18: Blas na Fasaich (Taste of the Wilderness)
July 18 - 19: Masters World Championships at Inverness Highland Games
July 18 - 19: Highlander Challenge World Championship
July 18 - Aug 3: North East Clan Fortnight and Aberdeen's Tartan Day
July 19 - 25: International Junior Curling Camp
July 21 - 24: International Genealogy Festival
July 21 - 25: Burns Summer School
July 24 - 25: The Wickerman Festival
July 24 - 26: Mauchline Homecoming Marquee
July 25: Doon Hame with Burns Conference
July 25: European Pipe Band Championships
July 25: The Scottish Diaspora Forum
July 25 - 26: The Gathering 2009, Edinburgh
July 25 - 26: The Big Tent
July 27 - Aug 8: Aberdeen International Youth Festival
July 30 - Sept 6: Edinburgh Art Festival
July 31 - Aug 3: Guildtown Bluegrass Music Festival 2009
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:47:48
AUGUST 09
August: Johnnie Walker Championship Gleneagles
Aug 3 - 9: Creative Connections
Aug 7 - 8: Belladrum Tartan Heart Festival
Aug 7 - 8: Tattoo Hebrides 2009 Tatù Innse Gall
Aug 7 - 9: Ayr Flower Show
Aug 14 - Sep 6: Edinburgh International Festival
Aug 7 - 30: Edinburgh Military Tattoo
Aug 7 - 31: Homecoming at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe
Aug 8: North Berwick Highland Games
Aug 10 - 16: Piping Live! Music of the Clans
Aug 12 - 13: The Clan Ross Gathering
Aug 13: Ballater Highland Games
Aug 15 - 31: Edinburgh International Book Festival
Aug 18 - 22: Festival of Politics
Aug 19 - Sept 5: Carnegie Festival 2009
Aug 20 - 23: Mull of Kintyre Music and Arts Festival 2009 – ‘Cradle of the Nation’
Aug 22: Lonach Highland Gathering and Games
Aug 22 - 23: Scotland’s Festival of History: Lanark Medieval Festival
Aug 15: The World Pipe Band Championships
Aug 28 - 30: Fyvie Homecoming Festival
Aug 29: Runrig at Scone Palace
Aug 29: Cowal Gathering
Aug 29 - All Sep: St Kilda Day: Latha Hiort
Aug 29-30: Kirkintilloch Canal Festival
Aug/Sept*: Hydro Connect
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:47:59
SEPTEMBER 09
Sept: Tam O' Shanter 2009
Sept 1 - 30: Scottish Ballet – 40th Anniversary Exhibition
Sept 1 -30: Doors open Days
Sept 2: Brass in the Park: The Mini Tattoo
Sept 4 - 6: Brass in the Park
Sept 4 - 12: Blas Festival
Sept 5: Braemar Gathering
Sept 5 - 6: The Great Scottish Run
Sept 5 - 7: Orkney International Science Festival
Sept 5 - 13: In the Footsteps of the Reivers
Sept 10 - 12: Island Emigrants: Conference on Emigration from the Outer Hebrides
Sept 18 -19: Battle of Prestonpans 1745 Reenactments
Sept 18 - 20: Isle of Barra Whisky Galore Festival
Sept 19: Scottish Hydro Electric Camanachd Cup Final 2009
Sept 19 - Oct 31: Leaving Home: Migration to and from Scotland
Sept 24 - 27: The Memory Projector: Celebrating Beautiful Journeys
Sept 24 - 27: Clan Scott Society Gathering 2009
Sept 25 - Oct 4: The StenaLine Wigtown Book Festival
Sept 26 - Oct 5: Angus & Dundee Roots Festival
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:48:04
OCTOBER 09
October* Scotland v Ireland: Shinty/Hurling International
October James Watt, Head of Steam
Oct - Jan Salt of the Earth
Oct 3 Fife Family History Fair – ‘Home and Away: Scots on the Move’
Oct 4 Small Islands Film Festival
Oct 4 Baxters Loch Ness Marathon & Festival of Running
Oct 9 - 13 Moray Connections from Rail to Space
Oct 9 - 17 Am Mòd Nàiseanta Rìoghail (The Royal National Mod)
Oct 9 - 18 Cowalfest
Oct 10 - 17 Crieff and Strathearn Drovers’ Tryst
Oct 11 World Porridge Making Championship
Oct 4: Baxters Loch Ness Marathon & Festival of Running
Mid - late Oct: Highland Homecoming – Ur beatha dhan dùthaich!
Oct 16 - 25: Biggar Little Festival
Oct 16 - Nov 1: The Enchanted Forest
Oct 18 - 25: MacPherson’s Rant
Oct 22 - 24: Scotland’s Global Impact Conference: Buaidh Chruinneil na h-Alba
Oct 22 - 24: Trossachs International Mushroom Festival
Oct 23 - Nov 1: Scottish International Storytelling Festival: Homelands
Oct 23 - Nov 10: Voices in Paisley Festival
Oct 30 - 31: Scottish Chamber Orchestra
Oct 30 - Nov 8: Perthshire Amber – The Dougie MacLean Festival 2009
Oct 30 - Nov 22: sound: North East Scotland’s Festival of New Music
Oct 31: Samhuinn
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:48:08
NOVEMBER 09
November: Scottish Borders Hill Rally
Nov 1 - 7: Whisky Week
Nov 19 - 21 Intercontinental Rally Challenge 2009
Nov 23 - 30: St Andrews Festival 2009 - Scotland's Celebration
Nov 27 - 30: Homecoming Scotland's Finale Weekend
Nov 27-29: Scots Trad Music Awards
Nov 28: The Illuminated Art Car Parade
Nov 28: Homecoming Live
Nov 30: St Andrew’s Day Celebration
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:48:18
THROUGHOUT THE YEAR
Throughout 2009: Scotland: A Changing Nation
Throughout 2009: Scotland’s Wildlife
Throughout 2009: BBC Scotland – A History of Scotland
Throughout 2009: The Homecoming Dance
Throughout 2009: Royal Scottish National Orchestra
Throughout 2009: Westering Home to Islay
Throughout 2009: Forest Heritage Scotland
Throughout 2009: Drive It Home 2009: Scotland’s Biggest Ever Promotion for Visiting Golfers
Throughout 2009: The Robert Burns World Federation
Until May: The Homecoming Scottish Cup
Jan 24 - Nov: This Is Who We Are
Jan - Nov: Border League and Kings of The 7s
Jan - Nov: Scottish National Portrait Gallery
Jan - Nov: Zig Zag: The Paths of Robert Burns
Jan - Dec: The John Muir Odyssey
Jan 14 - April 25: Be Near Me
Jan 21 - Aug: As Others See Us
Jan 25 - Nov: North Carrick Burns Celebrations
Jan 26 - Dec 31: Famous Scots
Jan 29 - Nov 30: Mackintosh 100
Feb - April: Scottish Tides – Polish Spring
Feb 14 - Apr 11: somebodyelse – Graham Fagen Exhibition
Feb 14 - May 16: Creative Burns
Feb 14 - Aug 1: Precious Cargo Exhibition
March 1 - Nov 30: Homecoming Trad Music Sessions
March - Dec: Come Home to Museums in Fife
March 6 - May 23: Scots Music Abroad
April - Sept: Following in the Family Footsteps
April - Dec: Scotch Whisky Experience
April 4 - Sept 20: Inspired
May 1 - Sept 30: Scottish Games Association
May - Oct: Scottish Homecoming Golf Classics
May - Oct: Roots and Boughs: Summer in the Straths
May 2 - Oct 17: Adventurers, Statesmen and Inventors – Local Impact on Global Lives
May 15 - Oct 17: Whisky Galore – A Musical!
May 23 - Sept 12: Alexander Stoddart: Drawings and Models
May 30 - Sept 12: Ayrshire Innovators
June - Aug: Return to the Ridings
June - Nov: Meet your Ancestors in Clackmannanshire
June - Dec: Where Tomorrow Begins
June 1 - Aug 31: Whole in One Golf Exhibition
June 4 - Aug 20: 25th Summer Season of Scottish Country Dance
June 26 - Oct 11: A Home Away From Home: The Scottish Emigration E
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 17:50:03
178 Gussie Fink-Nottle,02/01/2009 17:42:27
#175 Rufus as a Jambo, any predictions for tomorrows derby?
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Tough one. Form goes out the window in these games.

Home form should count though!
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 17:51:36
Coileach an taobh Tuath,

Okay Okay You Win!!!
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

02/01/2009 17:57:22

rufus, you have to concede it's some lineup.

My experiences of Scottish Cup Finals is that the corporate seats are rarely as full as the supporters areas, with some 9000 tickets usually given over to SFA guests it isn't surprising that Hampden often doesn't look full despite the SFA saying it's a 'sell out'

In any event, far more people will be watching it in pubs, spending money and making a day of it at home.

It all contributes
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02/01/2009 18:14:40
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 18:33:53
203

Fake.
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Morry,

Scotland 02/01/2009 18:39:29
201 for Independence!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 18:42:18
Agree with earlier posts re housing.

As the English tend to be the opposite of everyone else (they have good table manners and we have good food), the UK version of our little jaunt should be called the Year of Homegoing.
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tornface,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 18:43:47
Observer 171

I agree. I am so sickened, angry and sad about the whole sitation.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 18:43:59
207 Sammy that's you who else ''lol'''s like that along with your ''i''s. Grow up.
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tornface,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 18:44:51
Hugh

I am a herald refugee and trying to place you. Are you into greek mythology as well as egyptian?
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02/01/2009 18:47:21
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 18:47:38
209 I would advise not posting on here about Gaza unless you want to be banned ! The Herald is taking posts. Bbut mainly I would write to my MP/MSP and support the various action groups who support the Palestinians. There are many of them, just google. And medical aid is essential, so donate if you have the wherewithall to do it.
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 18:50:29
211

Meths OK?
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tornface,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 18:52:44
217
Thought so, it's like refinding a family. Happy New Year to all.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 18:55:55
211, tornface. Don't mean to butt in (do really) but if you are a refugee shouldn't you be trying to place yourself before you try to place others?
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 18:57:21
220

Hi Sam.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 19:03:32
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02/01/2009 19:13:06
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Jimmy Le Pie,

02/01/2009 19:17:50
I see Andy Murray had another good win today!

I did notice there were plenty Saltires about, but not one Butchers Apron - excellent!
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tornface,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 19:18:19
213

Hi Jock

Fair enough.

I read these threads daily but rarely post. I'm a nasty nat i'm afraid and a republican and sickened by what is happening in Gaza, but mostly find my views articulated better by others
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02/01/2009 19:24:04
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 19:28:15
203 Did you have the same name on the Herald ? If you are a republican and a nationalist join in !

The Herald's coverage of Gaza has been much better. I used to moan about them but compared to the Scotsman's journalistic ''standards'' ( I typed that without laughing) it is actually a better paper. But the site's so slow now I can rarely be bothered posting.

Unlike the fakey I don't have all day.
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 19:29:15
Don't know who the faker is, but I note that sam, greenock has been barred from the Scotsman. None of his posts can be found anywhere.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 19:30:13
Oh dear, the Scotsman is playing the numbers game again.

tornface @ 203 (at the moment). My own sympathies are with an independent Scotland. Couldn't care less about royalty either way. Only view about the Middle east is that they can all bog off and let me not have to waste time worrying about their sibling conflicts.
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 19:30:33
205

Can't even tell now if he did post under that name. Previous Herald comments have been wiped.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 19:32:02
Yes Coileach. Credit where it is due. That is a much more impressive list. You were correct.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 19:36:07
http://www.nostradamusonline.com/?a=205

Talking of the middle east.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 19:36:51
209 Rufus your timing is amazingly off. You must see how this looks.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 19:38:24
Hugh, whoever is doing it keeps coming back again and again. Their disgusting style of posting goes back a long long time on these boards.

The Scotsman must have his IP so I am suprised they cannot put a permanent ban in place.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 19:38:27
208 I know but I think I remember that moniker.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 19:40:32
Observer give it a rest.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 19:44:10
212 Did you like the Da Vinci code as well Jock ? Quite as believable as the Nostradamus code isn't it.
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 19:45:06
216 Rufus

We're talking about the poster known as "Tornface".

Why did YOU respond?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 19:45:14
214, Groucho.

Oh dear. These unionist idiots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address

You see, you cannot always identify a user by their IP address.
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 19:46:17
... and why didn't tornface return?
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 19:46:43
I'm quite looking forward to having a month off.
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 19:49:43
223

It does appear strange. Then again we could have a serious nutjob just lurking around waiting ...
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 19:51:40
Observer @ 217. Haven't seen the Da Vinci Code yet (or read it).

The Nostradamus Code sounds interesting.

Once read a Nostradamus book in London. Published in 1947. Said that once England's secrets were known then the country would go downhill.

Shortly after reading that a Scottish investigative journalist managed to get hold of some secret papers, had them published and now we have freedom of information.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 19:52:11
Jock I know you can get software, and I know you can use proxy servers.

For example Spook in Leith said in the past that Aberdeenshire scot uses something called "Tor" to get around the IP address problem.

Mind you you would have to be a complete idiot to go to these lengths wouldn't you?
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02/01/2009 19:53:18
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 19:54:55
225 In my dim and distant youth I read everything there was on Nostradamus. And lots of other prophesiers and mystics. I was going through a gothic period. It's all mince. Although I take it from your post that you know that too, and are making a wee joke of it.
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tornface,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 19:58:42
I didn't return because I was eating, what am i being accused of? I mean no malice to anyone.

Observer, hi, yes we've spoken before on the herald.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

02/01/2009 20:01:35
Oh and Jock, Spook also said that when his "Spook in Leith" moniker got banned, Aberdeen Scot created an almost identical one for him with a hidden space.

So you do not need to be inspector morse to work out who it is on here that has the software and technical wherewithall to create duplicate monikers from Hidden IP addresses.

Ladies and Gentlemen I Give you Aberdeenshire Scot.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 20:02:06
Open mind on most things, Observer. I've had my moments with the occult in days gone by, though.

Groucho. http://www.whichisp.com/myip.php

Mine always comes up as 1 of 2 numbers with the same location. Please direct me to a website that can split that down further - I would be most interested.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 20:04:20
231 I thought I remembered you - do us a favour don't call yourself i, remember to capitalise there's a weirdo fakey stalking here and he doesn't capitalise his i's. It's pretty weird on here tonight.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/01/2009 20:06:02
229

Indeed Abe.

A tragic waste.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 20:07:23
Groucho @232. The hidden space is used like the hard space. Log in and password. IP address has nothing to do with it.

You go to googlemail and open an account with them to get an e-mail address. Then you register with the Scotsman. If there is a space in your online name you fake the name by using the hard space. It has nothing to do with IPs.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 20:09:44
233 It's a fascinating study the occult. I'd agree with you there, but at the end of the day I think most of it is co-incidence. The other bits are a too spooky and best left. Aleister Crowley and all that, very strange.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 20:24:03
238, Observer, I shall not indulge you with my memoirs on the subject - they were real.

However, in a lighthearted moment, I recall sitting in the front of a 32cwt transit van in London reading an article about the Braan Seer in the Sunday Post. The bit about "when men shall cross the sea between England and France in the horseless carriage Scotland will once again rise to its former glory"

Put that in a song parody I wrote and sent a copy to the SNP. Bought and read all the Braan Seer's books and it isn't in any of them. Yet the SNP used that after the Chunnel was opened.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 20:31:36
240 That sounds very intriguing Jock, but I wouldn't recommend reading the Sunday Post, whether in a transit van in London, or anywhere else. What is it they say about Scotland will be free when the last CoS Minister is strangled with the last copy of the Sunday Post ?

I would substitute the CoS Minister for the Labour mob, and of course the strangulation is only metaphorical.....
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/01/2009 20:31:50
239

Abe

A tragic waste of our time...
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Wisnaeme,

02/01/2009 20:43:18
#50. Economic Exile,Perth,Western Australia wrote:

"Living in Australia amongst people from all over the world, I can assure you that Scots and Scottish culture is indeed recognised around the globe."

... and none more so than in Perth, WA; I might add.
Ten years ago I spent nearly a month in that lovely place. I rang the telephone number of the local Caledonian Society branch and enquired about forth coming events being held during my stay. I gave my name and was promptly invited to dinner the following evening. Although mine host did not tell me his name on the phone, I understood he was the owner of one of the largest building firms operating in Perth at the time.
Arriving on time at the front door of a big house overlooking a lake, adorned in a kilt of an ancient tartan( not one of your Micky mouse Victorian fakits) I was met by the lady of the house who introduced her husband to me as he suddenly appeared.
...in a well worn kilt of the same Sept, of the same family and in the same, quite rare,double weight, ancient tartan. Tom Mac-- meet Tom Mac--, meet Tom Mac-- junior.
An evening of unsurpassed hospitality followed which I shall always remember with fondness.The contacts and invites that followed were of the same calibre. The warmth extended to a stranger at the gatherings I was invited to, especially at one ceilidh held in a church hall was an experience.
Don't underestimate the depth of affinity that folk abroad, particularly those with past or present connections, have for Scotland. There will be folk over from Perth WA in the coming year,no doubt.

...and the blood is strong.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 20:43:43
Observer, just to bore you (neither would I buy the Sunday Post - it was on the dashboard courtesy of Dundee Dave) but from the All Brahan Seer's Ode Taae Space, Man:

Now Coinneach Odhar you're the Seer
Said the grave returning ghost
The stone you hold has the future told
It comes from the heavenly host
When the horseless carriage travels through the water intae France
The Flowers will rise again in sober dance.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/01/2009 20:47:11
243

Abe, it seems to keep him occupied; who kens what he would get up to otherwise.

But we have to read his "input".
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 20:48:41
245 Ok so the horseless carriage is the Chunnell and we are the flowers. Agreed. But we don't need to be sober all of the time, at some point hopefully in 2010 the drink will be flowing.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 20:53:07
244, Wisnaeme. I recall a time in Mobile, Alabama at a Greek named restaurant/bar. The waitress was from Noo Orleans and her fiance was 3rd generation Scattish from the Isle of Skye.

I asked if his name was Donny McLeoud. She asked me how I knew that.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 20:58:51
248, Observer. That was the last verse - the happy ending. The song is about the flowers willing themselves to die and drinking the world goodbye.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 21:04:37
251 Well I'm no expert on the Braan Seer, and I wouldn't put any more faith in him than Nostradamus et al. But some of their predictions are uncanny - the horseless carriage over to France for example. And the more you look into it, the more uncanny it gets. But I don't believe in pre-destination. We are in charge of our lives, and it is up to us to get on with it.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 21:10:22
Refus. Change a letter and he could be a famous Scottish literary character. I don't think he is destined (pun intended) for such greatness.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 21:13:31
Agree with you there, Observer @ 253.

We can all make an effort. What I have noticed is the censorship, or non existence, of Scottish political satire on our televised medium. Same goes for mainstream written or spoken media. All underground. It would be nice to get out of the union controlled weegie bunker and dae it.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 21:23:42
255 We weegie's have got a brilliant wee magazine called ''the digger''. It's out every week and it prints stuff that you just wouldn't believe about local politics, and link between politicos and crime, the whole works. It's just a wee home printed thing but it sells thousands, all the wee news shops carry it. Apparently the people behind it are making a fortune, although that was not their intention to start out with. There is a market for reality in the Scottish media, what is really going on as opposed to the pap we are spoon fed on a daily basis. Hopefully that trend will continue. You only have to look at all the blogs (I have read the Spook in Leith's, it's very good) people are begining to fill up the gaps with what other people want to read.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 21:26:37
256 You concentrate on your blog, haven't got around to posting yet but I've read it quite a few times, it's very good. HNY.

I've read Scottish Unionists too. What can I say apart from ha ha ha.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 21:27:23
257, Observer. That is good news.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 21:30:56
Observer. I shall leave you with the last line of another song I wrote. Yawn if you like - I don't care.

And though it made that we should live life underground
they never took the Stone of Destiny.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 21:33:24
260 I'm off too Jock but you're right the original stone was never handed over in the first place ! It was a fake, a bit like some of the ones on here. Goodnight.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/01/2009 21:36:29
Spook each to their own, we're all contributing in some way. The political war is now electronic as well as in other dimensions. Anyway all the best, adios.
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Wisnaeme,

02/01/2009 21:38:22
.

...and with Rufus woof woof's barking pronoucement (post 59) in mind.

A few years ago, I attended a highly entertaining exibition game at Portree Camanachd ground, Isle of Skye. This was between an Irish International hurling team and an all Scotland international Shinty side.

Worth the watching, I can tell you.

Ah'm just drifting into a pleasant day dream.

Rufus woof woof all alone by himself, dressed in Kingussie colours, dumped into the middle of a pack of Newtonmore's finest. Not a ref about the place and the rule book torn up and thrown away out of sight and out of mind.

Ach weel, we can all dream ah suppose.

Post 249. Jock Tamson.

Funnily enough, during that event in Portree, I was the company of and in conversation with; one Donnie.
Not of the Macloud, though there's plenty about there with that name. He was the lead singer of a well known Scottish band, I believe.
...and a very good one too.
.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 21:44:29
Spook. Happy New Year. Send a link to your blog to metaphax@aol.com please

Saor Alba
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Darien,

Panama 02/01/2009 21:46:00
#265: "lead singer of a well known Scottish band"

Aye, he of the British Nationalist variety of Scotsman?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 21:46:03
Nighty night all and a gude new year to one and all (except trolls).
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 21:47:58
That was Donnie Munro. Killed the band - stone dead.
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Wisnaeme,

02/01/2009 22:17:49

post 267.
Aye, we had disagreement over his affiliations, that's for sure. A pity, for his love of the land, the people and the language was not in question.

I wonder if his views on the "people's party" remain the same so.

.
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Wisnaeme,

02/01/2009 23:03:35
Post 271.

Ra Broon Seer only had half visions.

Incomplete and there fore flawed. Jist like the rest of him.

.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2009 23:17:29
Believe the Brahan Seer never forecast his own demise - boiled in oil.

Would it not be ironic if the Broon Seer went the same way? North Sea Oil that is.
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fiona d,

03/01/2009 18:03:17

I have noted many times when sitting on the panel for the mental welfare commission that there is a high number of former patients who have been previously admitted to psychiatric care for criminal misconduct who are now also sitting on the panel. Some of these individuals have committed offences such as drug dealing and trafficking and also sex offences against adults and children. There has also been an increase of such individuals appearing on the panel because of the insurgences of diversion from prosecution relating to the operation ore and further discoveries by the amethyst team of Lothian and borders police. Most of these individuals detained under the mental health act seem not to display at any stage of there detention any visible mental disorder. I am slowly becoming to realize that many of these individuals are public sector workers such as council and independent care social workers and some civil servants within higher authorities. upon some occasions I have noted that there are increasing numbers of readmitted patients who do display and recount some difficulties due mostly to abuses by a higher Archie which has been formed by individuals previously mentioned because they are continuing to deal drugs and sexually exploit children and deal in child pornography and peoples genuinely in need of assistances are considered an obstacle in the path of this criminal enterprise. I feel that this is very cruel for people who have suffered for most of their lives and will in most cases continue to suffer until they die. Many of the patients I have encountered have discussed experiencing child sex abuse in the community and child care institutions and I feel outraged that these poor individuals should be judged and treated by these wicked people because they are considered to be a lower class of people.

 

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