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To live and let die.. who's in the right?



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Few subjects are as contentious or divisive as that of abortion. Forty years after the law was changed to allow pregnancies to be terminated, Hazel Mollison examines the arguments for and against lowering the 24-week time limit to 20 weeks.
IT'S one of the most difficult decisions a woman will ever have to make. But every year, thousands of pregnancies are terminated in Scotland – and the figures are growing steadily.

Now, 40 years after the Abortion Act became law, campaigners on b
oth sides of the debate say it is time for a change.

Conservative MP and former nurse Nadine Dorries has labelled the current laws "barbaric" compared to other European countries. More than 200 MPs are supporting her amendment to lower the upper limit from 24 to 20 weeks. They say there is growing evidence that babies as young as 20 weeks can feel pain and survive outside the womb.

But others, including the British Medical Association, say that there is no need to reduce the limit, which is only used in a tiny minority of cases. They are calling for medical abortion – where pills are taken as opposed to surgical ones – to be more freely available in early pregnancy.

Women currently need the agreement of two doctors. They can only have a termination after 24 weeks if the baby would be severely disabled, or the mother's life is in danger. This is much higher than the 12-week limit in other western European countries, including France, Italy and Germany.

Mrs Dorries has tabled an amendment to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill.

She said: "The abortion process, post-20 weeks, is frankly not the mark of a decent society because as a process itself it is frankly barbaric. The mother has rights, has the right to choose, but there does come a point where the baby has rights too. For us, those rights come when if that baby was allowed to be born it would stand a chance to live, and if, as part of that abortion procedure, that foetus or that baby suffers pain which we also know is factual now."

She labelled Britain the "abortion capital of Europe" with the highest rate in Western Europe.

The number of abortions in Scotland has increased almost every year since 1967, and the most recent figures show 13,081 were carried out in 2006, or 12.7 per 1000 women of childbearing age. Much higher than the rates – 7.2 and 9.6 per 1000 respectively – in Germany and Spain for instance. The situation is even worse in the Lothians, where the rate is 13.9 per 1000 women. This is the joint second highest rate in Scotland, equal to Glasgow and second only to Tayside.

Michaela Aston, of the pro-life charity LIFE, said the current laws were failing women and their unborn children.

She said: "We don't think reducing the limit goes far enough. But when you have the message that you can abort a baby up to 24 weeks, then it devalues the human. A lot of babies who are being aborted could have survived.

"We've effectively got abortion on demand now, but women are not making an informed choice. There is growing evidence of the physical and mental scars that are left by abortions. There's not enough support for women who want to keep their babies."

NHS Lothian has come under fire in the past for its liberal approach, which has included handing out the morning-after pill in schools. But it says it has had some success in limiting the abortion rate, at a time when the rate in the rest of Scotland is rising. It is promoting long-acting methods of contraception, in a bid to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

The Scottish Government has also committed £15 million to its National Sexual Health Strategy, to provide access to contraception, counselling and safer, early abortion. The Family Planning Association says that increased access to contraception is the key to cutting the abortion rate. It says termination is never the easy option, but women must be able to make their own choice.

FPA spokeswoman Rebecca Findlay, said: "Nearly 90 per cent of abortions are carried out within 13 weeks. Only a very small percentage happen between 20 and 24 weeks. These women are usually in the most desperate circumstances."

The BMA supports the FPA's call. Research findings in today's British Medical Journal says few babies born before 24 weeks are likely to survive.

Dr Tony Calland, chairman of the BMA's medical ethics committee, said: "There is no scientific justification for lowering the 24-week abortion limit. The results of this study are very important as this is the most up-to-date research in the UK investigating the survival of very premature babies."

There will always be a divide between those who are morally opposed to abortion, and those who accept it can be the best option in some circumstances. Any amendment to the law will therefore be a difficult balancing act.





The full article contains 848 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 09 May 2008 9:59 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Abortion
 
1

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/05/2008 11:05:26
Between the BMA, whose opinion is backed up by peer-reviewed research studies, and the views of a politically and religiously motivated set of individuals, I know who I would trust.

Women's right to choose should never be eroded in a moral society. And we don't need religion to tell us what our morals should be, thank you.
2

Lesley,

EDINBURGH 09/05/2008 11:22:13
Well said Duncan!
3

Charles Linskaill,

On THE go, on the mobile 09/05/2008 12:05:07
Duncan re; ~1,
while I somewhat agree with you, the argument is endless.
One could take your view and say the Woman has the right to abort her baby at 39weeks if she so pleased, one could go further and say a Woman has the right to make her mind up if she so pleased to 'get ridd' at the birth.
Is this her 'right' also?
4

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/05/2008 12:13:44
#3 We could indeed have endless, and spurious, arguments about such matters, and such illogical extensions of the very logical core of our abortion laws are common amongst anti-choice campaigners.

As I said, the BMA has examined the evidence, They see no rational argument for adjusting the time limit. I trust this judgement and can see no justification for anyone's political or religious opinions to be allowed to trump it.
5

Charles Linskaill,

On the go on the mobile 09/05/2008 12:41:40
Duncan re; ~4,
I 'beg to differ' and will agree to disagree.
I neither trust or believe what the BMA findings were on this issue, the fact is, we in the UK, have the highest upper limit, in my books it is us that have it all so terribly wrong!
6

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/05/2008 13:37:09
#5 I can accept that you might not trust the BMA, for whatever reason, but how can you not believe the findings of a series of independent studies, including a roll-up study of studies, which show that there has been no improvement in foetal viability pre 24 weeks since the 24 week limit was agreed?
7

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 09/05/2008 14:16:10
What we need is a technological solution. A woman wants rid of a baby? Fine, we take it out by caesarian and pop it in the incubator. Once it hit 9 months, get the baby adopted or put in care.

That way the woman gets to choose but the baby doesn't get killed. Everyone's happy.

Of course it will be expensive, so who pays to raise the kid? Well, we've already got the CSA laws to charge absent fathers. Extend them to absent mothers and that solves that problem too.
8

Charles Linskaill,

Thank God its Friday 09/05/2008 15:41:41
#7,

Thai is an interesting, point of view.

#6,

Now this IS the Major problem with this issue a,..

'Preemie Baby' has Absolutely Nothing to do with Abortion!

If a Baby is left in the womb at 24weeks, most will go full term and become our future Children.

Survival outside the womb, should have NOTHING to do with Abortion!

At 24weeks the Baby is fully formed, and Mummy will feel them moving and kicking about, Baby can hear Mums
dulcet tones.
Did you not see my other postings here today, on this subject in this paper on this issue,?
9

Charles Linskaill,

The Battery is running out 09/05/2008 16:03:02
#8, re; correction *
*"Thai is an....."
should read, *That is an*
10

Charles Linskaill,

The Battery is running out 09/05/2008 16:04:27
#8, re; correction *
*"Thai is an....."
should read, *That is an*
11

Charles Linskaill,

The Battery is running out 09/05/2008 16:05:29
#8, re; correction *
*"Thai is an....."
should read, *That is an*
12

Jenny MacArthur,

09/05/2008 17:58:01
Everyone's entitled to believe in Invisible Friends if they wish. But religious nutters should not be tolerated when they try to impose their hatred-ridden bigotry on everyone else. The church's interference in public politics is an outrage. Keep to your churches with your insane ramblings that defy any rational discussion. And keep your crazy "morality" (which is so incredibly immoral in its effects) out of MY life. These people are evil!
13

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/05/2008 18:04:21
Religion holds the moral high ground & are the rightful custodians of morality. We can't have loose canons firing off prematurely because they get an itchy finger.
14

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2008 20:04:32
#13,
Got to agree Mario Antionette.

One may think from my postings on this subject, that I am against Abortion, or a religious fanatic, this is far from the truth, what I say is of absolute truth, if one wants to turn a deaf ear and contrive it differently, thats the problem we have on issues such as this.
15

Em,

10/05/2008 00:52:49
Duncan

You go on about womens rights stating that these rights should never be eroded in a moral society.

What are these rights exactly, because freedom of choice, and a womans right to choose have become slogans that are used daily without much thought being given to their meaning. Is it the right to have sex without consequence? is it the right to consider your sex life to be of more importance than the life of another person.?

Exactly what is moral about a society where individuals place sexual gratification above the lives of others to such an extent that women are told they are the victims of the circumstances they find themselves in and well within their rights to murder their child if they so wish.

16

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 01:50:31

#15 Em,

'Well Said'!
17

Duncan in Edinburgh,

10/05/2008 11:47:08
#15 Not at all well said. Just an emotive rant, in fact. Support for a woman's right to choose what happens to her own body is a very clear and moral position. It has nothing to do with "sex without consequence", unless you think that abortion has no consequence and that women who have abortions do not care about them. I've never met a woman who has made such a decision who hasn't considered it long and hard. You are trying to paint a picture of laissez-faire attitudes but this is neither fair nor accurate for the majority of cases.

You are just one more person who thinks that your own position is the only moral one. You're wrong.
18

Em,

11/05/2008 11:45:55
sadly this laissez-faire attitude you speak of does exist, today there is another article in the scotsman regarding abortion, it details that almost one third of all abortions are repeat abortions with some of these women having had several abortions already.

This is simply unjustifiable in this day and age where so many measures can be taken to prevent pregnancy, but it would appear that there exists a large proportion of women who use abortion as a means of contraception.

This is exactly what I was referring to when I said sexual gratification was considered to be of more importance than the lives of those to be aborted.
19

Karin,

Munich 11/05/2008 14:12:49
There is an enormous amount of ignorance in this country about contraception and sex education in schools is woefully inadequate.

Furthermore, women are villified if they have an abortion, but if they are unsupported by the father and left to bring up the child themselves, they are also criticised for being on benefits. The CSA is completely ineffective as a means of securing support for single parents. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Does anybody truly think abortions are pleasurable? Something to be had on a regular basis? Perhaps it should be remembered that sexual gratification is not confined to one partner and that men can protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy too, by using the condoms that so many seem not to keen to wear.
20

Em,

12/05/2008 00:04:59
Karin, you said-
"Does anybody truly think abortions are pleasurable"

Of course no sane person would consider abortion to be pleasurable, but why then do these women who are having their 2nd, 3rd or 4th abortion not learn from their mistake first time round, why do they continue to sleep with men without taking precautions to ensure that pregnancy does not occur when they know they would resort to abortion as an easy way out should they become pregnant.
It's evident that even the experience of killing their child does not motivate them enough to ensure their mistake never has to be repeated.
It's also evident that abortions are too easy to get when you hear of so many people having repeat abortions.

Also, sexual gratification may not be confined to one partner, but pregnancy is, therefor some men are not motivated to avoid pregnancy, this however does not excuse women from taking these matters into their own hands. Here's a novel idea, they could refuse to sleep with someone who is only concerned with their own pleasure and has no consideration for the results of such an act, but I suppose that would get in the way of the no strings sex that many consider a pleasant side effect of easy abortion.

 

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