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Wish you were being taught here, Mr Salmond?



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Published Date: 05 October 2008
AN UNPRECEDENTED show of parent and pupil power has seen Alex Salmond inundated with postcards showing a Scottish comprehensive which looks "like a Romanian orphanage".
The First Minister's mailbag has been filled with the shocking images – almost one for each of the 860 pupils at Wick High School – which depict leaking ceilings, rotten window frames, exposed wiring, crumbling plaster and old industrial containers rusting in the playground.

Even the school's rector, Alister Traill, has admitted that he "cringes with embarrassment" when visitors come into his school.

Parents took the decision to target Salmond when they failed to persuade Highland Council to sort out the mess.

They want the school pulled down and replaced at a cost £30m, part of an officially calculated £5bn worth of repairs and building work needed on Scotland's crumbling schools after decades of neglect.

Professor Iain Baikie, chairman of the school's parents' council, said: "The idea is for our children's schools to be brought up to 21st century standards – they're stuck in the 19th century.

"We are ping-ponged from the council to the Parliament and back, and it just feels like this whole area is being abandoned. It is like the council have given up on us."

Salmond has insisted the parents deal with Highland Council, which is responsible for the school and its upkeep.

But the First Minister is under increasing pressure to meet his promises to match the old Labour-Liberal Democrat administration's school building plans "brick for brick".

His Government, however, has struggled to find the funding needed after rejecting the controversial private finance initiative which Labour and Liberal Democrat ministers used to pay for scores of new and upgraded schools.

Last week, Scotland on Sunday revealed Salmond will next year head to Qatar in the Middle East to raise money to make up for the loss of PFI.

Baikie, whose son goes to Wick High, yesterday said parents had bombarded Salmond with postcards out of desperation.

He said Highland Council no longer had the ability to deal with the problem.

Its chief executive, Alistair Dodds, had given a "lousy" and "abysmal" response to parents' concerns, Baikie added.

"It makes me sad in the morning to send my son to school and to a building like that," he said. "He goes down the street at lunchtimes now because there is no room for the pupils to eat in the canteen.

"Some of them have to sit on the dirty floors in the corridors.

"As well as it being difficult to attract good teaching staff to such a building, it is also going to affect the amount of people who move to the area.

"If I wasn't local, I would not move here because of the state of the school."

Children have added their voice to the campaign, signing some of the postcards to Salmond themselves.

One 14-year-old wrote: "This is my school. I would like to be proud of it but I can't. It's full of holes and cracks and is horrible. Please help to make it a nice building again.

Another complained: "This is my school. I would not send my children to it."

Salmond, in response to the postcards, said: "Government ministers now, as before, must stand back from intervening in the council's business or seeking to influence which schools should be priorities for replacement or refurbishment."

However, speaking at a conference in Caithness last week, he said: "From the correspondence I have had, it is quite clear that Wick High School was needing funding some time ago."

Earlier this year, parents who described the building as being similar in appearance to a Romanian orphanage, compiled a "dossier of dilapidation" about the school, containing pictures of the level of decay in the classrooms.

At the time, Rector Alister Traill said: "I cringe with embarrassment when people come to school to see me or to make presentations."

Jamie Stone, the Liberal Democrat MSP whose constituency includes Wick, has volunteered to broker a deal between the Scottish Government and Highland Council.

Stone said: "It would be a great sin to allow the standard of the educational environment to affect pupils.

"I believe that the Highland Council and the Scottish Government should meet face to face and find a solution to this.

"From a completely non-party political standpoint, I would offer to chair such a meeting."

Audit Scotland, the spending watchdog, earlier this year said that a third of Scotland's 2,720 council-run schools needed urgent investment and warned it would cost £5bn to make all schools fit for their pupils.


The full article contains 770 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

gus1940,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 00:08:50
So this school was in perfect condition until May 2007.
2

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 00:31:26
You can see from the photo that a contractor has been involved. Looks to me like a saw-cut through concrete flooring with the rest broken out by breakers and the trench dug by mini-digger with the excavated material side cast. It is not fenced off either. And this to expose 2 services?

Judging by the accumulated rubbish, I would say this is a staged photo shoot.

Who was/is the contractor? Who hired the contractor and why was the work not completed?

Find out next week on Glenrothes. Or the week after the week after.
3

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

05/10/2008 00:33:54


£30M for a single school, are they off they're frik'n trolley

4

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 00:42:04
Besides. I cannot imagine all that excavated material would fit back into the trench. Even when compacted.
5

Matt there,

Somewhere 05/10/2008 00:45:56
Amazing! Apparently Dean Herbert would have us believe that all this damage to the school occurred only in the months after the SNP victory.

Do you really think that your readers are that stupid, Dean? If so, shame on you!
6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 00:46:18


If the, 'Salmond Camp', needed half the tissues obtainable in Edinburgh the other night, while they were all,..'Weeping' in the playground, about paying for our Children's School Meals, not much hope for this repair bill!

'Yeah' Salmond! Cant have you lot, missing out on the,...

......'Champagne Breakfasts' and the 'Chauffeur Driven Cars',.....

....'HUH',?
7

Sunniva,

Scotland 05/10/2008 00:53:00
And the Scottish Futures Trust hopes to raise finance through COUNCILS, as they have powers to issue municipal bonds...whilst the Scottish government does not.
8

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 01:29:46
Looking at the photo again. Could be a contractor's own site progress photo.

Still doubt if it's relevant to the "story".
9

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 02:01:36
7, Sunniva. You might find that the present aggro between the cooncils and the government has a lot to do with the government telling the cooncils to sharpen their pencils.
10

selah,

05/10/2008 03:08:58
Common Purpose (CP)

- a hidden menace in our government and schools



Common Purpose is the glue than enables fraud to be committed across government departments to reward pro European politicians. Corrupt deals are enabled that put property or cash into their pockets by embezzling public assets.



Although it has 80,000 trainees in 36 cities, 18,000 "graduate" members and enormous power, Common Purpose is largely unknown to the general public.



It recruits and trains "leaders" to be loyal to the directives of Common Purpose and the EU, instead of to their own departments, which they then undermine or subvert, the NHS being an example.



Common Purpose is identifying leaders in all levels of our government to assume power when our nation is replaced by the European Union. Unlike current leaders, CP leaders are taught to rule without democracy, and will bring the EU police state home to every one of us.



It has members in the NHS, BBC, the police, the legal profession, many of Britains 7,000 quangos, local councils, the Civil Service, government ministries, Parliament, and it controls many RDA's (Regional Development Agencies).



Cressida Dick is the Common Purpose senior police officer who authorised the "Shoot to kill" policy without reference to Parliament, the law or the British Constitution. Jean de Menezes was one of the innocents who died as a result. Her shoot to kill policy still stands today.



Common Purpose trained Janet Paraskeva, the Law Society's Chief Executive Officer. Surprising numbers of lawyers are CP members. It is no coincidence that justice is more expensive, more flawed and more corrupt. And no surprise the courts refused to uphold the law, when a challenge was made to the signing of the six EU treaties, which illegally abolish Britain's sovereignty.



Common Purpose is backed by John Prescott's "Office of the Deputy Prime Minister" (ODPM), and its notional Chief Executive is Julia
11

Guga II,

Rockall 05/10/2008 05:38:06
That photograph is obviously "staged". It looks as if, as pointed out above, some contractor has been digging a trench outside the school walls.

In any event, Wick High School did not deteriorate to this stage in the 18 months since the SNP came to power. The state of all of our schools is a direct result of nearly 50 years of Labour misrule in Scotland.

As for Highland Council, that is another mob that should have been given the boot and replaced by an administrator.

If the Hootsmon knew what investigative journalism was, they would have sent someone up to get genuine photographs of the school, and find out such things as how long the deterioration in the school has been going on. They would also have thoroughly investigated Highland Council. Instead, of course, they imply that the whole thing is the fault of the SNP; rather than their masters in the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party and the fools in Highland Council.

A school newspaper could do a better job of investigative journalism than the Hootsmon.
12

unclesmrgol,

Culver City, California 05/10/2008 05:50:58
If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. These parents are relying on the power of the state to make things right. Given the description of the mess, the state has been unresponsive for years. The parents need to roll up their sleeves and do a bit of volunteerism. Individual power at the local level certainly trumps state power.
13

Pilrig,

Livingston 05/10/2008 06:25:00
1 yes it seem the conditions suddenly appeared in the past year and a half.
14

Finnzz,

Offshore 05/10/2008 06:36:47
Sloppy storytelling by this paper. And a case of obvious mismanagement by the local council.

Although I am glad that these examples of years of neglect by previous administrations are coming to light.

You see its all about accountability and taking responsibility. One thing that the present Scottish Government is now insisting on is that LAs must now be cost effective, efficient and answerable to their rate payers. The days of living on the never-never are gone.
15

Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 06:37:46
What a load of blooody carp.
16

Pocket Dictionary,

05/10/2008 07:44:59
My partner and I worked in a Labour Council. She taught in an Edwardian era school, which was so over crowded they used porta-cabins. The cabins were supposed to have been a temporary measure years ago. They were now so old the windows leaked and the wind blew through. The one she taught in had a tree growing through the roof.

My work base was also a former school from the same era as the one above. The Labour council designated it as not fit for purpose. It was cold and damp and repairs done only on a maintenance basis - nothing substantial. My former colleagues still work there.

This whole mess has not been dealt with by any party who have held office at a Scottish or UK level. We need action urgently- not cheap and nasty politiking.
17

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 05/10/2008 07:57:11
SNP didn't cause this damage, but neither has SNP used its time in office to set about remdying it.

The very least it could do now is give Highland Council an over due kicking and require and enable it do carry out its duties.

NB I note that the usual suspects (above) are blaming the Scotsman for bringing all this to our attention. Isn't being the messenger what newspapers are supposed to do? Tough if you don't like that news, of course, but facts are chiels that winnae ding.
18

danielrober,

05/10/2008 08:03:48
Building programs must continue and in fact be speeded up. The standards of schools in the British Isles have been a scandal since i was at school.

I have never ceased to be amazed at the small wonderful city school in the Nederlands (Rotterdam is hardly a small town) and Belgium, an almost identical social situation and economy to ours. But there schools are not for politics but centers of the community. Pride, high shop rents, coffee shops and public spaces for the schools age range. You try finding a school in those two counties that does not have an ice cream parlor near it playing the latest music.

Some days i think about moving to the Nederlands, just for the quality of the schools and teenage cultural understanding.
19

democracy,

Scottish Borders 05/10/2008 08:30:12
#6,read #5 and grow up!!
20

Melly,

Dunblane 05/10/2008 08:39:15
So these schools have suddenly deteriorated to this extent in the last 18 months? If not were they bombarding Joke with photos and complaining about the state of the schools ? Anyone who made complaints/sent photos care to comment?
21

Richardinho,

05/10/2008 08:43:33
Clearly something has to be done. Yet what? PFI is a scandalous waste of money. No responsible government can possibly support it, yet the Scottish Government's hands are tied by Westminster from doing other things.
Similar to how they voted against 400 million in council tax relief coming to Scotland, the labour party seems intent on running down Scotland just so they can blame the SNP.
22

democracy,

Scottish Borders 05/10/2008 09:05:06
I agree with one poster who also believes the photo is that of a contractors work for whatever reason. As usual the Unionist rags the so called Scotsman and Scotland on Sunday uses it in a duplicitous way to con their readers.

Herbert also likes to mention the abandonment of New Labours PFI by the SNP but the Tories south of the border,also castigated New Labours self-serving, dishonest brown envelope financing of public projects.

PFI has been plunging the respective countries into deep, way over the odds debt for the future and deserves all its bad press from people who care about their country!

It is quite correct that the Scottish Government should seek the best possible financial loan arrangements for the benefit of their country and its people even if it means going outside the UK to do so.

Brown always shouts from the roof tops that we are now in a global marketplace but when Scotland uses it, NewLabour quite simply do not like it, shame eh!!!
23

Anton,

Porto Sant'Elpidio 05/10/2008 09:19:48
Instead of guessing, why doesn't somebody from that area take a walk to the schools and then posts a series of unbiased pictures somewhere? I don't give a damn who's fault it is, but if a school is actually in that shape, then really there's no hope...
24

Sile,

05/10/2008 09:30:00
10# Your post is spot on, but sadly you are whistling in the wind. No-one will listen to you. I have even written to Jim murphy about it. and my MP negative response. try it for yourself. but nice to know the word is spreading..
25

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05/10/2008 09:42:54
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26

DannyG,

05/10/2008 09:48:53
As the majority of the posting on this story show schools and education are just political footballs to be kicked around. My children are educated at a crumbling secondary school too. My eldest daughter started going to a local FE college for one of her 6th year subjects and she came back the first day saying "Mum you should see this place its wonderful, its clean and bright and all the toilets work"... She thought her school experience was the norm for educational establishments. I wholeheartedly support the people of Wick drawing attention to the state of their school... imagine if all schools in a similar condiction did the same thing... forcing government of what ever political complexion to look at the conditions of our school buildings, places where our children and our teachers are forced to spend a big percentage of their waking hours.
27

The Jannie,

Out there, watching 05/10/2008 10:18:12
The same long-term neglect happened elsewhere and so the government forced the councils - of whatever colour - into Private Finance Initiatives. Arrange the words sold, down, the and river into a well-known phrase or saying. Add p*ssup and brewery and you won't even be getting close.
28

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 05/10/2008 10:41:56
I'm sorry - but this is not 'news'.

Every Labour vacation of post leaves a mess which requires the skills of professionals to sort out. It's not news - it's just a matter of routine. May as well have a headline saying tomorrow will be Monday.












Yours etc

Angus Whitton
29

mac77,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 10:56:21
Turn it into a dodgy bank and Big Gordy will give you billions....
30

AntiPCman,

05/10/2008 10:57:37
The only game in town was the PPP/PFI system and by the time Salmond and the SNP group came into minority power, it was working well with a plethora of new schools across Scotland.
Salmond chose, through ideology, to abandon the PPP idea and go with the Scottish Futures Trust which, after 18 months in power, is still a non starter and the beginnings of a quango - see last month's statement from Salmond.
The SNPs maintain that all PPPs are bad value and the developers is 'lifting the leg of the public purse'. That may have been true some years ago with an unbalanced profit margin but that has not been the case for sometime. What was wrong with it was that the Government was paying a 80% support grant to Councils to pay for the developers' borrowings on the open market when the Councils could have borrowed at several % lower rate. That is where LibLab had it wrong!
Salmond cannot 'match brick for brick' as he has no alternative in place and the Futures Trust is offering no borrowing support. Salmond is wanting the private sector to take the risk but is only offering a 'Not for Profit' deal which will not work therefore he should offer a capped margin deal which is almost identical to PPP. The problem is that he cannot have more borrowing as it will show above the line as public borrowing and he, therefore, has to try borrowing as a Government which he cannot nor can he offer bonds. So the Councils have to offer bonds but they have no machanism or indeed the ability to carry the risk without Gov backing.
Salmond and his SNP Gov have messed up because they are trying to govern by some warped ideology and very little experience.
They have some worthy ideas but they must admit that everything that went before is not necessarily wholly wrong. The answer is to offer a son of Level Playing Field Support and let the Councils borrow monies with borrowing support as before but supporting lower rates of borrowing than on the open market.
31

mac77,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 11:02:14
#26 Sometimes I actually feel sorry for politicians (!). When they don't discuss something they're a bunch of a-holes ignoring the issues. When they do discuss an issue they're a bunch of a-holes kicking "political footballs" about...
32

Rasco,

Inverness 05/10/2008 11:24:09
The state of the school did not happen overnight and the Stone man was in the last crowd also don't forget that Peter Peacock was also there so they must be asked what they did for the Wick school. My grandkids will be paying for all the PFI buildings while a lot of people are walking away with a lot of money now.
33

Publius,

Girvan 05/10/2008 11:48:08
#26 DannyG

Why don't you and the other parents get together and refurbish the school yourselves? Spending your spare time repainting etc is far more constructive than shopping, drinking, going to football matches or watching TV. If you ask around you'll find that between them the parents have almost all the skills needed to do up the school.

Parents do this in other countries. Why not Scotland?

Als the children can help too. In Japan they don't have school cleaners. Children clean their own school.

Stp whining Danny. Get off your backside and do the job yerself.
34

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 05/10/2008 11:52:24
The SNP wanted power in the executive - now they got it, they have to deal with real problems.

Right Whingers never accept they maybe to blame or at least have responsibility for putting things right it is always someone else's fault or someone else's job. The SNP supporters should realize in power you make choices and if one of those choices leads to this sort of publicity -tough.
35

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 05/10/2008 12:06:19
A shocking indictment of the SNP and all it stands for.
36

David55,

London 05/10/2008 12:17:48
Surely this has little to do with the SNP adminstration in Holyrood and everything to do with some council department in The Highland Council (Education/Architetural Services?).

The picture just shows an exposed trench. Big deal. Get the contractor to finish the works.

If the council isn't doing it's job, and the councillor for the area isn't resolving the matter then surely the next call is the local MSP (I notice he is a Lib-dem).

From The Highland Council website I note the following "The political representation of the Council is: Independent Group (30), Liberal Democrats (20), SNP (17), Labour (7) and Independent Members Group (6)."

I'm thinking of just sticking to reading The Times. Scottish newspaper journalism is really poor.


37

It's me!,

05/10/2008 12:21:15
This school isn't in Lanarkshire so Labour didn't care.
38

It's me!,

05/10/2008 12:22:17
Maybe Labour should have used the money spent in moving jobs from Edinburgh to Glasgow to repair this school.
39

mandy s,

fife 05/10/2008 12:22:33
no.25
followed your link. very interesting too. can't understand why over two years ago, the school decided it was a good reflection on them to put in a photograph of a reasonably smart looking hut, with a green waste bin beside it, and discarded juice cans etc on the ground and not in the bin!!!!! ah, well, at least the beautiful beach scenes are not littered with debris, but instead boast of the fact that they run alongside a GOLF COURSE!!!!!
40

Bejjy,

05/10/2008 12:25:38
It doesn't matter who done what and when its the here and now that we are dealing with. Give these kids a decent learning environment in which to develop educationally, emotionally and socially and stop playing party politics with their future.
41

David55,

London 05/10/2008 12:27:40
Incidently the councillors for Wick are all Independents.

http://www.highland.gov.uk/yourcouncil/yourcouncillors/politicalrepresentation/
42

Richardinho,

05/10/2008 12:31:31
The school is of course perfectly entitled to make representations to the first minister, but this smacks of gimmickry and I find it rather dubious that school children have been roped into participating.
43

Herne the Hunter,

All of Scotland 05/10/2008 12:33:52
Strange looking at the school website
http://www.wick.highland.sch.uk/ the place does not seem to be in bad condition. This looks like one of those road contractors who come along dig a hole done by the hole diggersup,leave it then,a month later a cable or pipe layer comes along and a month after that the hole fillersin come along,and sometimes fill it in,a month after that the tarmac men come along and sometimes finish off the job. The diggers up and fillersin are two different trades and speak different languages. Such is state of our roads and our tradesmen,a sad indictment of our time.....
44

Florence,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 12:34:20
Seems a pity to me that the parents and pupils of Wick High School hadn't contacted the Scottish Government earlier. After all, they had at least eight years in which to complain to the previous administration. Is it possible that this decay started only in May 2007? Gearing up for the Glenrothes election, I fear, Herbert. No "Mr" required - if it isn't necessary for the First Minister, then it certainly isn't for this hack!
45

walter,

05/10/2008 12:34:36
It looks like some poster did not read the article properly or have chosen to ignore this paragraph,

They want the school pulled down and replaced at a cost £30m, part of an officially calculated £5bn worth of repairs and building work needed on Scotland's crumbling schools after decades of neglect.

Note the last four words, after decades of neglect.
46

Richardinho,

05/10/2008 12:38:57
Hmm, the picture seems to have magically changed-now it's a badly cropped picture of the school on a grey day.
47

Wicker,

Back of Beyond 05/10/2008 13:03:40
Try following this link. It might better educate you to the real situation.

http://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/4184/Wick_High_School_-_the_fight_goes_on.html
48

Electric Hermit,

05/10/2008 13:05:24
36 W U Merchant, Aberdeen 05/10/2008 12:06:19
A shocking indictment of the SNP and all it stands for.

Complete knee-jerk nonsense, of course. As any moderately well-informed person would be aware, this has nothing to do with the SNP. It is a matter for the Highland Council, not the Scottish Government. And the Highland Council is not controlled by the SNP. To the limited extent that Alex Salmond is in a position to do anything, he has done what he can.

Professor Iain Baikie, chairman of the school's parents' council, certainly seems to be satisfied with Salmond's response. The Caithness Courier quotes him as describing Salmond as "well-briefed", "sympathetic", "supportive", and "an ally".

Not quite the picture you want to paint, I know. But it does have the advantage of being the truth.
49

PointOf View,

Edinburgh & Falkirk 05/10/2008 13:42:19
10 selah,
Hi there, spot on account of “Common Purpose’s” activities. I still can’t believe how people are largely unaware of this mostly secretive movement. I wrote to my MP asking about my councils (Falkirk Stirlingshire) involvement with Common Purpose e.g. training provided, nature and cost i received a promise of ~ he would look into it and get back to me! Needles to say he hasn't so far but i will be on his case again shortly.

Sure there are lots of things going on in politics just now but it also conveniently hides other serious issues such as Common Purpose agenda at home and in wider Europe. I'm not quite sure where SNP stands on this issue and perhaps i should simply e-mail them and ask.

There are a lot of similarities in the way Common Purpose impregnate government departments and agencies. Some of there activities are comparable to the beginning of the Nazis movement and the run up to WW2 1939. People should be extremely worried about this organisation who use taxpayers money and hold non minute meetings with senior officials who amazingly we, the people, elect to look after out best interests. Anyone reading this post I implore you to google it and be shocked! Selah if you want to discuss this more get back to me.
50

Hubble,

05/10/2008 14:15:27
Wow. So Sad that Labour let our schools fall into disrepair over their years in government, after all, if the school were in perfect condition in May 2007, it would still be fine today.

Good for the school to bring it to the government's attention - presumably they have done this now because they stand half a chance of getting something done under the SNP?
51

Vote UKIP,

05/10/2008 14:48:42
That's socialism for you!
52

chico y,

05/10/2008 16:08:52
It seems to be a recurring theme that Liebour try to blame the SNP for the complete mess liebour made in Scotland in the last 50 years. It's going to take a while to get sorted. The septic hand of liebour will no doubt be behind this, just like the trouble they try to get their union pals to make with the council workers and employers.
Liebour will try to scupper the free school meals for kids to get political advantage.
They are also keen for Ned's to go on buying buckfast and causing crimes. In fact liebour don't want anything positive.They just want to waste millions on illegal wars and put british soldiers in danger.
Keep smirking Mandy and wield the dagger.
53

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 16:22:57
Perhaps if the Highland Council wasn't pressing ahead with a brainless plan to privatise/outsource all Education IT for their area - at a cost of £60m - then they would be able to afford to pay for school upgrades? Guessing the clueless and biased Scotsman hack didn't know about or look into that eh?

Also - Education is and always has been a local authority issue. It is pretty pathetic of the Scotsman to keep trying to pin local mismanagement of maintenance on the central government - especially as so many people have pointed out - the types of issues in this story will have started long long before the SNP took power 18 months ago.
54

westview,

at home 05/10/2008 17:03:41
As some one with Grand children in the Wick area ,may I suggest that folk who wish better school premises in Scotland, roll up their sleeves and work for the full independence of Scotland from London control of our resources. That way we can have access to our wealth, which will pay for better education and buildings and teaching jobs here in Scotland. One small step in the right direction is to help clean New Labour out of what ever it contaminates. Glenrothes, your local community council , your education commitees, your newspapers and TV studios,etc etc.
55

Alan Reid,

Warrington 05/10/2008 17:04:14
36 W U Merchant,Aberdeen: "A shocking indictment of the SNP and all it stands for"

What a stupid comment.
Maybe if Scotland had some of the billions it sends down to London in order to prop up England returned to it, there wouldn't be this kind of situation. Then again as an Englishman I guess your happy with that.
56

Andra, Dundee,

05/10/2008 17:31:55
The cheek of some people - accusing the SNP of doing anything wrong. Some mortals have not yet learned that the SNP are the chosen people who should never be questioned.
All remaining Unionists are to be put on a re-education program to avoid any future indignity.
57

AlecJ,

Aberdeen 05/10/2008 17:40:06
There's a primary school near where I live which was also due to be rebuilt, and badly needs rebuilding. It was scheduled to get funds for this last year. Then SNP came to power and decided the PPP method of funding was BAD. (Agreed, it IS bad, schools are built but always belong to the builders, never the community.) But it was the only funding method the Westminster parliament will allow and it has been closed out. Result schools desperately needing replacement are left standing and collapsing for lack of funds, and this will continue until Westminster and Holyrood get their ideas sorted out. Me, I'd prefer a mortgage purchase system so that at the end of 20 years the community OWNS the schools, but I'm not an economist, just a community councillor. Maybe when the politicians of ALL parties get themselves sorted we can restart replacing dilapidated schools. As Kipling put it:
I could not dig: I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew,
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?
(To a dead statesman, Epitaphs of the War 1914-1918)
58

Electric Hermit,

05/10/2008 17:40:30
65 Andra, Dundee, 05/10/2008 17:31:55

Toys not only out of the pram but into another postcode.
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Scotish Exile,

05/10/2008 17:43:34
This school, like loads of schools across Scotland, have suffered from DECADES OF NEGLECT, where exactly has our tax gone...I will tell you where....propping up the pension funds of the local authority's, thats where. They are all lining their pockets at our expense.
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Richard M,

Scottish Raj 05/10/2008 17:59:46
Okay it looks very drab, but as somebody who did go on humanitarian relief visits to Romanian orphanages in 1990, I would say such a comparison is inappropriate
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cataibh,

Over the Struie 05/10/2008 18:20:42
Just back from Lybster, and a comment from an old worthy said it all 'Its a pity that spatal newspapers from the south were not on about this - years ago'
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 18:43:37
" * Last Updated: 04 October 2008 7:22 PM
* Source: Scotland On Sunday
* Location: Scotland "

Statement from the publishers.

Bolleaux. The photograph was changed around midday on the 5th October. Anyone know which photo is in the paper edition? This could be interesting.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 18:57:14
I might be mistaken but I am sure the original photo featured arched windows. Is there a link to the original web page?
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 05/10/2008 20:42:12
Professor Iain Baikie and the parent council deserve the thanks and support of everyone in Wick and the wider Caithness community.

That Wick High School was allowed to get into this condition is the failure of Highland Council, local councillors. MPs MSP and parties who were in power in Edinburgh and Westminster.

What we need now is the Scottish Government, Highland Council and others to come together to find a way forward.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 20:55:29
How many new schools could Salmond have got for the tram scheme he rubber stamped?? Not having the guts to overturn the vote at Holyrood (when he could have)has betrayed children in this country.
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Andra, Dundee,

05/10/2008 21:01:13
#66 AlecJ
My understanding is the with PPP the schools do revert to public ownership at the end of the contract - don't know how long the schools contracts are for - 25 or 30 years I guess.
One person I know who is involved with the School building contracts says that they were maybe not well constructed (the contracts) in the early days but that they are good value to the tax payer now.
The SNP are against them on the grounds of ideology - despite the glaring public need and no viable alternative.
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Andra, Dundee,

05/10/2008 21:04:57
#74 GrahamH
The tram project will be a massive boost for the economy of Edinburgh. The city is busting at the seems and needs to transport workers in from the periphery in order to man the finance industry that drives the Scottish economy and provides the taxes that keep the country going. (or at least until the credit crunch came! but it will pass and who knows, prudent Scottish banking may be in even more demand).
68

jarmon,

05/10/2008 21:10:09
Put the overcrowded prisoners on a chang gang and let them go repair the school and grounds.
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Pro Libertate,

Educashun, edukayshun, edyoucaseion 05/10/2008 21:33:08
What straws to do the left wing hacks of the Scotsman grasp at when there is no wind blowing? (Oh yes, they make it up like the rest of the media)

What short memories (and small brains) the hacks in Edinburgh seem to have. Schools do not suddenly get into this state overnight. If the school is as bad as it is being portrayed, it has happened through years of neglect to the fabric of the building.

Since Labour was in power at Westminster and Holyrood during this time, this failure can quite clearly be laid at their door. Same as the countless bucket loads of money wasted on PPF schools, where the walls are so thin the pupils can’t concentrate because they can hear different subjects being taught by the teachers next door!
Add to that the Labour introduced farce of teachers who get ONE YEAR of teacher training and a job regardless of how good they are.
Then there is Social Inclusion. Might be good for a few, but detrimental to the many.

Add to this the lack of control in schools – heard a few teachers describing it more like crowd control instead of teaching – and you have to question the 1997 Labour promise of, “Education, education, education”.

Wick High School is most probably falling down because the outside of the building isn’t in a good condition. However, a significantly larger problem is that the education system is rotting from the inside out.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 21:43:30
1. I couldn't have put it better myself !

Labour and left wing reporters really must have a low opinion of people when this sort of thing is branded about. 20 years of Labour neglect is going to take years to clean up - poor old SNP had nothing to do with the state of the school ... ironically just after it is cleaned up somehow the 'thicko' sector of people will be brainwashed into voting for the sleazeball labourites again and they will come in create massive government, spend everything, and put us back to square one !

77. Surely you know we can do anything to prisoners that would seem like punishment !?
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Andra, Dundee,

05/10/2008 22:36:02
#78 Pro Libertate and #79 Voldemort
So if Left wing is the cause of the problem how on earth will even more left wing SNP make any difference. You both have your heads in the sand.
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Pro Libertate,

Educashun, edukayshun, edyoucaseion 05/10/2008 23:04:02
Andra, you totally missed the point.
It's one thing to complain about the fabic of the buildings, but the main point that most folk don't appreciate is that the government (Labour/left wing - call it what you will - the ones who have been in power since 1997) have (with their PC attitude - nanny state - over the last 10 years) messed up the education system to such an extent that it's on it's knees.
Credit crunch? you only need to look at the Labour Government's spending with regard to PPF schools and you can understand why.
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livilion,

livingston 06/10/2008 00:29:30
#76 Andra, Dundee
Still in these difficult financial times who needs schools when we can pi$$ £500m up the wall on a white elephant for the Capital, eh?

So how will a single tramway repay the capital costs, disruption and damage done to businesses all along this route?

Current consensus(see the link below) is that trams only work out economical where passenger numbers are in the thousands per hour ie 200 passengers every 12minutes minimum. Mebbes if you are lucky you might persuade the office types to use it 8am-9am and 4pm-5pm then what?

Dublin could never finish its tramway because of similar public outcry to Edinburgh's, and Sheffield is now looking at trolleybuses for a fraction of the cost, a more flexible alternative with the same load carrying capacity and none of the handicaps of rail bound trams.

Here's what they're saying in the West End of London:

http://www.tfwl.org.uk/issues.html
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Andra, Dundee,

06/10/2008 08:47:43
#82 livilion
You are totally ignoring the benefits in addition to fares generated. By moving lots of people the trams will make more space for the rest of traffic and reduce congestion. If a company is doing deliveries round the city centre and can do it in less time then it will save costs to it's self and hopefully it's city centre customers. The whole area of Leith will become much closer to the city centre - watch house prices rise and businesses grow in Leith because of faster transit to the centre.
It's the same principle as the Forth Bridge - Fife would be an economic disaster area were it not for the bridges - and Edinburgh would not have a massive resource of workforce.
The financial industry seems to be the driving force of Scotland's economy now so we need to make sure that it has the resources that it needs to develop.
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57vintage,

Bridge of Don 06/10/2008 09:08:21
Maybe it's not all Salmond's fault, but where the Nats have been in power at local authority level, their record begs questions eg why did the then SNP administration inflate the cost of refurbishment at St Vigeans Primary in Arbroath only 6 or 7 years ago to justify its closure in direct conflict with the party policy to keep rural schools open? The parents' group obtained cast-iron accurate costings for exactly the same work which was a fraction of the council-obtained estimate. It was a very shoddy episode.

And why has the acting CEO of Aberdeen Council had to step into order repairs to schools, eg Forehill Primary, where vandalised windows have not been replaced and children have ben taught in rooms with no natural light? Aberdeen is Liberal/SNP run and is currently in a deficit of something like £70m potentially, despite there having been a £22m surplus left in the kitty when the last Liberal/Tory regime took office in 2003.

I don't expect answers from the tongue-in-Salmond's-groove net-pests on here.
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livilion,

livingston 06/10/2008 16:33:19
84 57vintage
Maybe its not Salmond's fault at all, since when has the FM been responsible for OK-ing school repairs?.

Aberdeen going from a £22m surplus in 2003 to £70m deficit before the SNPs first budget has even been cleared through its Holyrood committee stages.
The one common denominator is the Lib Dems, perhaps you should be directing your pearls of wisdom towards Tavish Scott, Jim Wallace or that other guy who was their leader inbetween the two but I can no longer remember?
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livilion,

livingston 06/10/2008 16:33:20
84 57vintage
Maybe its not Salmond's fault at all, since when has the FM been responsible for OK-ing school repairs?.

Aberdeen going from a £22m surplus in 2003 to £70m deficit before the SNPs first budget has even been cleared through its Holyrood committee stages.
The one common denominator is the Lib Dems, perhaps you should be directing your pearls of wisdom towards Tavish Scott, Jim Wallace or that other guy who was their leader inbetween the two but I can no longer remember?
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livilion,

livingston 06/10/2008 16:59:35
83 Andra, Dundee
I can just see Parcel Force selling off their vans and shipping parcels by tram.

Your hypothesis about house prices and public transport would be fine if it weren't that Barnton, Crammond and Balerno have significantly higher house prices than Pilton from where it is much quicker to get to Princes St.

I have noticed in the last eight years a significant transformation around Leith. I moved to Livingston in 2001 passing up the chance to move to a converted whisky bond flat next to the Britannia because most of the area round about was seedy and run down.

Correct me if I'm wrong but by the time your tramset takes its first fare paying passenger most of Leith to Granton will have already been developed and the executive saloon company car drivers ensconsed there will take some convincing to ditch the Audi or taxi in favour of crowding onto a tram that might stop somewhere near to where they need to go.

Call me an old cinic but I cannot see your upmarket types slumming it with 200 others on public transport up to Harvey Nics or walking in the rain from the tramstop to their fine dining experience at the harbour or in the Old Town.
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Calum Crubag,

08/10/2008 16:14:00
Off course, all the schools started crumbling immediatley after the SNP were elected last May...

 

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