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US school triggers outrage by letting teachers carry guns



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Published Date: 17 August 2008
ACROSS the globe teachers are struggling to keep dangerous weapons out of classrooms. But now a tiny Texas district has sparked outrage by allowing teachers to bring handguns to school.
The small community of Harrold will permit staff to carry concealed firearms, claiming it will help to protect teachers and pupils.

While the move has been welcomed by America's gun lobby it has been widely condemned by teaching groups and paren
ts.

The 110-student campus will be the first in the world to allow teachers to carry guns while working.

David Thweatt, Harrold's superintendent, said the school board unanimously passed the policy in a bid to safeguard pupils in the event of an armed intruder entering classrooms.

He claimed that neither the school trustees nor any parents had raised any objections.

Thweatt denied the move was ill considered and insisted the guns-in-classrooms policy was "cautious and wise".

He said: "The naysayers think a shooting won't happen here. But if something were to happen I'd much rather be calling a parent to tell them that their child is okay because we were able to protect them."

In a bizarrely argued defence of the policy, Thweatt added: "When the federal government started making schools gun-free zones, that's when all of these shootings started.

"Why would you put it out there that a group of people can't defend themselves?"

The officer stressed that teachers would have to take part in crisis management training before they were allowed to bring a gun to school.

He believes the position of the lone campus, a 30-minute drive from the sheriff's office and 300 metres from a busy highway near the Oklahoma border, made it vulnerable.

Texas' penal code prohibits firearms at schools "unless pursuant to the written regulations or written authorisation of the institution".

The rural school already has a range of security measures in place including CCTV cameras and electric door locks.

School board member Sarah Winkler, vice-president of the Texas Association of School Board, said she was horrified and claimed she was unaware that school trustees could overturn the law.

"This is just appalling," she said. "One accident and I don't know how the school board would live with themselves. Individual school boards should not the type of power to be able to do this."

Gayle Fallom, president of the Houston Federation of Teachers, was equally outraged, and said: "This is a disaster waiting to happen. It is right up there with the worst ideas in the history of modern education."

Fallon said that if the policy was adopted elsewhere it could lead to students stealing their teachers' firearms.

"We could end up arming half the gangs in Houston," she said. "This is the type of decision that makes Texas a laughing stock both nationally and internationally."

Don Ryan, president of the neighbouring Cypress-Fairbanks school board, described the policy as "absurd", and said: "It is almost like something out of a movie."

Bryan Clements, executive director for security for the Galena Park school district of the state, felt it would inevitably endanger rather than protect youngsters.

"It is foolish to introduce more weapons into the school environment," he said. "In the event of a crisis there is no manageable way to integrate armed staff into the crisis response plan."

In recent years the US has seen a number of fatal shootings on school campuses, most notoriously at Columbine High School, Colorado, where two pupils killed 12 pupils and a teacher and wounded dozens of others.

Youngsters at the Texan school will still face expulsion if they bring a gun to school, even if they claim it is for their own protection.

But the ferociously right-wing Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, which boasts 650,000 members, was thrilled by the announcement.

Chairman Alan Gottlieb said: "Gun control extremists may despise it, but this is a common-sense approach to the potential of school violence."

In Britain, handguns were banned after the Dunblane massacre in 1996 where Thomas Hamilton killed 16 children, a teacher and himself with legally-owned weapons.

A spokeswoman for Mothers Against Violence, a British anti-guns campaign group, described the policy as "appalling", and added: "Thankfully in this country we see guns as a dangerous problem and not as a solution."





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  • Last Updated: 16 August 2008 7:38 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Gun crime
 
1

Robert Bell,

Rio Rancho 17/08/2008 01:11:01
We have had several shootings at schools in the US, none of them were committed by teachers or other school personnel. Always the shootings were done by disgruntled students or other crazies. At several of them, the shootings went on for many minutes because the law enforcment officers were unsure or reluctant to enter into the buildings. Most of the heros in these were teachers who gave up their lives trying to save the innocent. Would God that they would have been armed!

Gun control activist,be Damned.
2

57Nomad,

california 17/08/2008 01:29:15
Here is a quote from the article:

"In a bizarrely argued defence of the policy, Thweatt added: "When the federal government started making schools gun-free zones, that's when all of these shootings started."

I would ask Mr. Horne, the author of the article to defend this remark. Let me use an example from real life not the prissy confines of someone thousands of miles away. About 20 years ago there were a spate of carjacking, robberies, and murders committed by gangsters in Florida. But, and this is the take home message, not one of them was committed against Floridians. Every single one of them was committed against foreign tourists. The carjackers targeted only rental cars. Why? Because the first thing tourists do when they get to Florida is rent a car. Driving a rental car, especially if you are blonde, blond, and blue eyed, was considered sufficient reason to expect foreigners on board.

Why did the gangsters bother with this 'racial profiling?' I'll tell you. In Florida it is perfectly legal to carry a concealed firearm in your car. If you were a carjacker would you approach a vehicle with evil intent if there was a very real possibility that the driver and passengers were possessed of more and heavier caliber fire arms than you had? I doubt it. Arm the teachers and there will be no more school shootings.
3

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

17/08/2008 03:31:02
Maybe if someone other than Hamilton was armed in that school in Dunblane, things would have turned out differently. Maybe some of those 16 kids would have survived that bloody day.

It is clear that the police couldn't protect them - and it's clear that burying our heads in the sand didn't protect them either.

What other options are left? It's clear the options we have chosen since haven't worked.
4

Jason,

Japan 17/08/2008 04:51:05
“Go ahead punk. Make my day." That's the one problem with automatics; you can't carve a notch on the butt. “Anyone that doesn’t get a minimum of 60% in this test will be excluded from this class, permanently.” Now that’s what I call getting with the programme.

5

Pocket Dictionary,

17/08/2008 07:02:40
#3 And after the gun bans because of Hungerford and Dunblane, how many more similar incidents have there been?

6

jarmon,

texas 17/08/2008 07:05:20
Where ever law abiding citizens are armed,crime goes down.The concealed gun laws in texas are pretty strict,and the classes well taught.Even my 80 year old mother has packed a pistol with a concealed license,lol.
7

Boy Wonder,

17/08/2008 07:39:19
The Americans just don't get it, do they???
8

Chaplin,

17/08/2008 07:47:30
#7 Boy Wonder

Exactly
9

John Pate,

Edinburgh, Scotland 17/08/2008 08:20:16
The gun ban in the UK stops this kind of thing happening? Really?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/uk_news/827536.stm

"Neither Lancashire nor Greater Manchester police had ever had to deal with anything of this magnitude before
Detective Superintendent Dave Brown" 10 July, 2000
10

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 17/08/2008 09:29:01
"Arm the teachers and there will be no more school shootings".

You heard it first on News.Scotsman.com
11

albanman,

17/08/2008 10:17:10
#6 jarmon "Wherever law abiding citizens are armed, crime goes down." You say this while living in Texas? What a joke!

True, if people are law-abiding they won't commit crime, but what about all the rest? Texas is hardly the safest place to live in the US. Besides, speak to police officers; they almost universally believe that untrained people carrying weapons usually makes a bad situation worse. More guns = increase in violent crime not the opposite. Living in Texas you must have heard all the politicians go on-and-on about how crime is 'out of control'? If allowing ordinary Texans to carry guns (even concealed) is a good thing then why is crime 'out of control'? You spout garbage.

I loved living in the US (including 10 years in Houston) but I do feel safer since being back in Scotland.
12

albanman,

17/08/2008 10:26:54
#6 You write that classes in Texas are "well taught" I've just looked at the national statistics for graduation 2006-2007. In Texas, 70.3% of those entering high school actually graduate. In US grading scales that's just above an 'F' (69%). So, classes in Texas are "well taught". Yeah, right!
13

John Pate,

Edinburgh, Scotland 17/08/2008 10:36:09
I've stayed in Texas and Scotland and it's not just me that reckons it's safer for you in Texas...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article567959.ece
"Scotland tops world league for violent crime"
14

John Pate,

Edinburgh, Scotland 17/08/2008 10:44:02
By the way, the definition and recording of what is `murder' varies dramatically between different countries. That may explain why Scotland has twice the murder rate of England and Wales according to official UK government statistics. Or not - Government statistics are only coincidentally congruent with actual facts.
15

ThePeter,

Glasgae 17/08/2008 12:27:46
Bet the teachers will not have any discipline problems..

Be quiet, or I'll shoot you.

16

Chris,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 13:25:26
Simple solution for the intruder; first person you shoot is the teacher, then carry on.
Frankly, I couldn't give a hoot about americans shooting each other, I am more worried about their troops killing ours in Iraq and Afghanistan.
17

John Pate,

Edinburgh, Scotland 17/08/2008 16:16:38
I wouldn't worry about the soldiers - they reckon they're safer in Iraq than Scotland:
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/article1508044.ece
18

Joe Yank,

Florida 17/08/2008 19:43:36
Regarding the Author remark, "In a bizzarely argued",we all know it doesn't make sense to adverise to a criminal that he is the only one with a weapon. Every mass shooting has occured in these "Zones" for a pretty obvious reason, they adverise it with a sign! As planned, both the UK's and Australia's murder rate has increased dramatically since their gun bans were enacted. They only want criminals to have guns. Smart guys.
19

Portree,

Further north than most 17/08/2008 19:51:49
11 albanman

Texas is a boarder state, much of the crime is a result of a million illegal Mexicans, correct?
20

Joe Yank,

florida 17/08/2008 19:55:03
It's an undisputed fact gentleman,Violent crime is down %30 in the 33 States that have Laws that allow citizens without a previous Felony to carry a concealed weapon. 200,000 crimes are stopped each year by citizens with guns. Undisputed fact people. Europe is notorious for home invasions because the bad guys know you won't protect yourselves or family. You put people in jail there for protecting their families
21

Joe Yank,

Florida 17/08/2008 20:02:15
Not just Texas, they are expanding. 25% of our prisons population are illegals that have committed violent crime. The Latino Gangs are out of control nationwide and the cops are NOT legally responsible (Supreme Court Decision) for an "Individual's Safety". You must protect yourself as no one else will. The media never told you guys that sometimes an Armed teacher or civilian stops a mass killing with a gun. They hide that little fact.
22

Fanling,

Switzerland 17/08/2008 20:39:53
#2 57Nomad,california
"... Arm the teachers and there will be no more school shootings."

Now I know you are well and truly off your trolley of "Jesus-loves-me" moral certitude. You have a simple solution to every problem. Violent and clearly lethal in this case. Unworkable and totally irresponsible.

Your quoted remark is nowhere close to the solution, but is a typical knee-jerk response. Some years back when I began work in a school in Brooklyn, New York, my first culture shock was to find an armed female duty cop whose desk presence was 1,000 kids' greeting to the schoolday. Abnormal and unreal. She was a nice lady though and sang rather well.

23

SouthernGent,

17/08/2008 20:58:47
Laws of any kind only apply to those that intend to obey said laws. Gun control laws do not apply to those that plan on breaking said law, and the black market is alive and well all over the globe. Those that want guns will have them, regardless of any law put into effect. Much like a gate, which only keeps the good guys out.
24

Joe Yank,

Florida 17/08/2008 21:25:04
Nothing personal Fanling, but Nomad is correct. During the rash of carjacking/murders that summer, all victims were tourist. The bad guys knew not to attack a Floridian as many carry firearms. It's not a knee-jerk solution because the new law that allowed us to carry legally dropped the rate of violence here by 50%. I looked up Switzerland's 2006 Crime Stats. Your Violent Crime Rate is almost as high as ours and is increasing, ours is decreasing. Is it true the EU is trying to get you to raise your Corporate Tax structure so Germany can get more of your customers? You may one day need to protect your sovereignty.
25

Fleet Marine Force Corpsman,

Pacific Northwest 17/08/2008 21:28:23
I have noticed an interesting trend in this and similar venues. The use of pejorative adjectives and nouns, mostly emanating from those who oppose the individual liberty of self protection. ""In a bizzarely argued", "you are well and truly off your trolley", "but is a typical knee-jerk response", "Abnormal and unreal", "Be quiet, or I'll shoot you", "The Americans just don't get it, do they???", "But the ferociously right-wing Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms". My point is simple. If the comment is pejorative, and particularly when it is merely opinion without presented substance, then the conversation takes on a hysterical and non-productive character. What is necessary is three things: The facts, the facts and the facts. Again and again, I see the same pattern, inflammatory commentary backed by ignorance.
Greetings to my most well informed Scots comrade, John Pate. You are one of the very few UK subjects I have ever encountered who has actually objectively studied the issues while living in the US. (SWP3).
What is a delight is having British Army soldiers to our home.These men train at a local US Army base and are here many times a year. I have had occasion to speak at length with some of the officers, and senior sergeants, take them to our rifle range and have them speak with local police. So many times there is a paradigm shift in outlook, when they see things as they really are here, and not as they had perceived based on the information made available to the public in the UK.

A well armed and safe American family
26

Joe Yank,

Florida 17/08/2008 21:37:24
To Albanman, Jarmon is describing Texas Gun Ownership Classes as they are mandatory for a Carry License as they are in most States, not children's schools.
27

Fanling,

Switzerland 17/08/2008 23:21:55
#24 Joe Yank,Florida
You are entitled to your take on Nomad's simplistic remedy. So am I, and I referred specifically to his last line in my post above. This "arm the teachers and everything will be tickety-boo" is pure dreamland. Dangerous dreamland. I don't know where you got your Swiss 2006 stats from, but they are somewhat far removed from what I know. In that same year a survey measuring quality of life in some 200-odd cities worldwide, two Swiss cities, Zurich and Geneva, came top of the poll as the world's most desirable (i.e. safest) to live in. I can personally endorse that for one of them. I like New York too, which I consider a damn sight safer than London or Glasgow.

#25 Fleet Marine Force Corpsman,Pacific Northwest
You are noticing "an interesting trend in this and similar venues. The use of pejorative adjectives and nouns, mostly emanating from those who oppose the individual liberty of self protection."

Welcome to the way Europe sees this perennial American problem. Perhaps you should stay at the other "venues" you inhabit. People have points of view, as you do. However they express them is their business, and they should correctly be prepared to take responsibility for expressing them.

If, as in this instance, they use the descriptive phrases which you quote, then you will have to read more deeply to discover (from my point of view) that they are responses to an individual poster (a compatriot of yours) who typically dismisses any and all who disagree with him - in insulting terms.

Your last line ("A well armed and safe American family") pretty well sums up that mindset for bemused Europeans and others, wary of the way a certain element in American society handles matters like this. Scary.




28

tomi,

18/08/2008 03:03:51
Just because the local school board has decided that teachers who have a obtained concealed weapon permit may take a gun with them to school does not force them to do so; and I am sure that most teachers would find no necessity to do so.

But, how would the fact that a teacher might have, or does actually have a gun with them affect the students?
Probably very little concidering that a large percentage of their parents have guns at home.
Guns are not unusual in Texas! They are very common, and the bad guys know it!
And, neither does the authorities take gun crime lightly! Use a gun in a robbery and face long prison sentence, kill someone and face life in prision without any chance of parole, or the death penalty.

Perhaps Britain should not be so smug just because they have banned the lawful private ownership of firearms. {Except, of course, for the "landed gentry" for their precious hunting of grouse and deer.}
Will Britain soon ban the domestic possession of kitchen cuttlery just because of the "knife culture" of the streets? All because Britain so often denies the right to self-defence to the law-abiding and makes excuses for the guilty.
29

Fleet Marine Force Corpsman,

18/08/2008 05:37:55
#27: "Welcome to the way Europe sees this perennial American problem. Perhaps you should stay at the other "venues" you inhabit. People have points of view, as you do. However they express them is their business, and they should correctly be prepared to take responsibility for expressing them."
Interesting you think that your perspective represents that of Europe's on this "perennial American problem'. The real problem is that most European's, indeed most non-Americans, and for that matter, many Americans, have no idea what the real purpose of the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution is... and it is appears to me that includes you. If, in fact, you really care to understand this "perennial American problem", I suggest you study the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers, the American Revolution, and the recent United States Supreme Court ruling on Heller vs. District of Columbia. A little clue. The men who wrote the Constitution and the Bill of rights, were survivors of a revolution that was won by the stubborn determination of a small fraction of the population. People who were dedicated to a philosophy of social governance that is still the most radical developed in human history. So radical, that the vast majority of humanity is deliberately denied the opportunity to understand the concepts behind it due to the threat this philosophy creates for those who crave power. Mao touched on it when he claimed that "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". A chilling notion when one considers the effect of the denial of the people's right to resist tyranny by placing control of guns in the hands of the state.
30

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 18/08/2008 13:16:29
Joe Yank #24 and Nomad, the license plates have changed in Florida since that summer of car jackings, robberies and deaths of tourists. No longer is "Z" used on rental cars to distinguish them from other cars. Since then, that major crime has dropped, as a matter of fact I don't rmember reading about more than 1 since that summer.
31

BK,

Cyberspace 23/08/2008 23:28:05
Matt McGinn:
"To strap a boy's an awfy business, every one's a mother's son,
Take the straps frae a' the teachers - issue everyone a gun."

 

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