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Parents and union hail hearings that could strike off bad teachers



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Published Date: 21 July 2008
THE fate of the first teacher to face being struck off under new rules to weed out incompetent staff from Scotland's schools will be known next month.
New powers allow the profession's regulator, Scotland's General Teaching Council (GTC), to hold disciplinary hearings on incompetence and strike bad teachers off the register.

The Scotsman can reveal the first hearing is expected to take place
next month and another teacher faces a disciplinary hearing by the end of the year.

Unions welcomed the move as a visible sign that education standards are being maintained, and parents said the move was long overdue.

Ronnie Smith, the general-secretary of Scotland's biggest teaching union, the EIS, said: "The powers still rest in the hands of local authorities to get rid of teachers they judge not good enough to work for them.

"What has changed is authorities now must tell the GTC they have done so and the GTC must then debate whether that person is not competent to teach."

The move means teachers sacked for incompetence can no longer simply move to another local authority to work.

Those accused of incompetence are judged against the standard for full registration – a minimum standard to practise.

Mr Smith added: "Our understanding is that the majority of people on the disciplinary panel will be teachers. For us, that self-regulation is the crucial point and we are content for teachers to be judged by their peers."

Previously, only training teachers could be denied a place on the register if they were deemed not good enough.

Teachers already on the register could only be struck off (in effect a ban from teaching) for misconduct, not for simply being bad at the job.

The new powers are a result of the McCrone deal for teachers, which increased salaries and improved working conditions in return for improved standards.

Mr Smith was adamant such hearings would be rare.

He said: "I don't think we are going to see hundreds of people coming through the system because I don't believe there are hundreds of bad teachers."

Although the GTC has had the power since 2006, it has taken until now for the first cases to come to a hearing.

After the GTC is informed of a dismissal it must investigate whether a disciplinary hearing is necessary. It then takes several months to build a case, arrange witnesses and identify a date.

Teachers cannot resign from the register, so the process cannot be speeded up by the accused admitting incompetence. Examples of incompetence could include a secondary teacher having too little knowledge of their subject or a primary teacher failing to teach children maths.

Eleanor Coner, an information officer at the Scottish Parent Teacher Council, said: "It is about time there were procedures to do this. Everybody knows of a bad teacher they had or someone in the family had."

Mark Paxton, a GTC investigating officer, said: "It does in some way alleviate parents' fears that teachers simply qualify and have a job for life. There is a minimum standard teachers must maintain throughout their career."

How other professions deal with failing staff

DOCTORS in the UK must register with the General Medical Council (GMC) to show they have appropriate medical training and are fit to practise.

Those registered can be summoned to appear before a GMC panel and struck off if convicted of criminal offences or for malpractice.

Dentists similarly must register with the British Dental Association and can also be struck off from the profession.

Similarly the Nursing and Midwifery Council rules all nurses must protect and support the health of the community, act in a way that justifies the trust and confidence of the public, and uphold the reputation of the profession or face a ban from nursing.

The Law Society of Scotland can bring complaints against solicitors to the independent Scottish Solicitors' Discipline Tribunal, which can strike individuals off the Roll of Solicitors, meaning they would no longer be able to practise in Scotland.



The full article contains 676 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 20 July 2008 11:34 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Teaching
 
1

Free by '93,

21/07/2008 00:06:23
Dead easy to get class sizes down with a shortage of teachers.

Just sack the bad ones and make the good ones teach all the kids without increasing their class sizes.

The SNP policy is the sensible one. After 15 years would you want to go back to the tories and excluding bad kids.

Scotland can be positive about wasters and their off-spring. Sack the teacher!! Who said the parent was the biggest influence.
2

truthsleuth,

21/07/2008 00:42:46
#1
I'm sure your comment was made with both tongues in you cheek'

The most optimal way of improving educational performance is to get better behaviour in the classroom.

This will be obtained by making parents responsible for their offspring

The problem here is the politicians are aware that rto criticise parents will lose them more votes than to criticise teachers.
3

Pocket Dictionary,

21/07/2008 04:42:14
Scotsman, you didn't mention that social service workers have to be registered now. They have to comply with Codes of Practice for Social Service Workers and Employers and can be struck off the register, if they are deemed unfit to practice.
Registration is in phases, with Managers and Social Workers being in the first phase. Eventually all staff will be on the register including those who work in care homes. And without registration you shouldn't be able to work in the profession. We'll wait and see on that one. More at the Scottish Social Service Council Website and you can check to see if your local, friendly, Social Worker is on the register:
http://www.sssc.uk.com/Homepage.htm
4

The Daleks,

Longmen 21/07/2008 06:14:36
If my experiences in a large comprehensive are anything to go by, there's about to be a mass cull of hopeless gits, who couldn't get, or keep, a job in any normal line of work.

Or at least there should be!
5

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21/07/2008 07:15:29
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6

sawney hasbeen,

dumbfries and george galloway 21/07/2008 07:20:16
Can't wait to see the hearings extended to dissimulating SMT and Directors.
7

conservative,

Fife 21/07/2008 07:50:23
Does anyone really think that the GTC (staffed by teachers, run by teachers and established for the benefit of teachers) is likely to 'strike off' many teachers?

A bit like the doctors' and lawyers' societies and how many of those are ever struck off'.

The union's Mr. Smith certainly made their position crystal clear 'Mr Smith was adamant such hearings would be rare'. I bet they will, and the chances of being struck off even rarer!

8

Paul Spencer,

Glasgow 21/07/2008 08:48:20
#2 and# 4 couldnt agree more. The key to good teaching is to have kids that do want to learn. My wife has had the pleasure of being a supply teacher in Glasgow for the last 4 years, and her consistent complaint is that the policy of inclusion is a total joke.
#1 Dont agree, my view is that kids with discipline difficulties etc should be taught in different set ups bring back a hybrid list D system and let the kids who want to learn get on with it.
9

MacGillicuddy,

21/07/2008 09:36:34
#7
Have a good look at the composition of the teacher membership of the governing body of the GTC and you will see that it is just another name for the EIS.
The new Registrar is a long-serving EIS activist.
When was the last time the GTC had a non-EIS activist as its Convenor?
The GTC is an absolute, but expensive, joke!
10

Jock McGrumpy,

21/07/2008 10:07:02
*8
'The key to good teaching is to have kids that do want to learn.'

You are wrong. How can this be the key to good teaching? Easy teaching maybe. If your supply teacher wife thinks the policy of trying to teach all young people, rather than a select few, and to help them reach their potential, is a joke then I respectfully suggest that she is in the wrong profession
11

Jock McGrumpy,

21/07/2008 10:08:59
'How other professions deal with failing staff'

Wonder how incompetent and clueless journalists are 'dealt with'?
Funny how there are very few news stories on that topic...
12

Number 6,

Germany 21/07/2008 11:38:22
It's about time too. Teachers are paid to TEACH, not just to babysit. They must produce results.
13

Boab,

Glasgow 21/07/2008 11:49:13
As a teacher I failed my probabtion year, but plenty of other poor sods less competent than me got through. I know of one incompetent head teacher who got booted upstairs to the Executive, so this does happen. If they sorted the discipline out, teachers could do their jobs.
14

Number 6,

Germany 21/07/2008 11:56:19
#13 It's down to the teachers to sort out the discipline. Despite going to a big comprehensive in the east end of Glasgow, there was never ever any distruption in my classes. Pupils knew where they stood, and that began as they came through the schoolgate. If they were not following school dress codes, they did not get in. Full stop.

This policy is still in place today and guess what, the latest ofsted report I read commented on the total
lack of distruption in the classrooms.

It is perfectly possible to have a distruption free classroom enviroment , but only the TEACHERS can maintain it.
15

MacGillicuddy,

21/07/2008 12:30:27
#14
You certainly did NOT read an Osfted report on any Glasgow or indeed Scottish school!
Ofsted is a monster created by the ENGLISH education system. Ofsted does not exist in Scotland.
16

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 21/07/2008 12:36:14
If a teacher is a useless git and doesn't inspire his or her students to learn and do the best they can they should be told to seek another profession.

As for misconduct, be it insubordination, physical or mental cruelty to a student or sexual improprieties, it's about time that there is a mechanism to get these jokers out of the classrooms by a FAIR tribunal.

And it is also a forward step that bad teachers cannot just move from one school to another. They are forming the minds and characters of Scotland's future movers and shakers and need to answer to a higher level of competence and adequacy at their jobs.

Many children spend more time with their teachers than they do with their parents.

This story reminded me of the book and excellent movie by Muriel Spark, "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie".
17

Jolly One,

Dumfries 21/07/2008 13:40:24
What does that mean?
18

Jolly One,

Dumfries 21/07/2008 13:40:24
What does that mean?
19

Spicey,

Glasgow 21/07/2008 13:59:55
Why cant we have something similar for politicians?
20

Number 6,

Germany 21/07/2008 15:27:23
#15 Oh yes I did, don't get your knickers in a twist.
It was, I grant you, a few years ago but ofsted it was. So wether you like it or not, discipline can be created and maintained within the classroom, by the teachers. OK ?
21

MacGillicuddy,

21/07/2008 16:46:35
#20
No knickers to get in a twist.
No matter how many years ago its WAS NOT and COULD NOT HAVE BEEN an Ofsted Report on a Scottish School.
Presumably your other points are equally specious.
22

Media 1,

cape town 21/07/2008 17:24:10
Get rid of the bad kids first!
23

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 21/07/2008 18:27:21

We must accept that some children are never going to be any good academically. My brother inlaw hated school and was always in trouble. He can barely read and write but he is a fantastic joiner. If they had moved him to a more technical based environment he would have shined and his talent noted thus transforming his experience of school.

All the time he spend confused in history, maths, english, RE, modern studies, etc, etc were just wasted time and effort for all involved. There are many like him and they should be supported not forced through the system.

School should be learning for the adult life. It is not a sacred institution that must continue doing the same things for generations.

Teach children about credit cards, mortgages, banking, taxes, employment law, house management, etc

Why are we teaching them about chemistry, RE and geography when only a small percentage will ever use these subjects.

we must be the only species that fails to teach children about what they will need in life and wastes billions teaching them about subjects with no value to their lives.

makes no sense.

24

Gordie McRobert,

Glasgow 21/07/2008 19:00:09
Number 6

Ho ho. Caught out eh? Not the brightest in the class are you?
25

Poetess50,

21/07/2008 20:27:29
Perhaps there'd be less 'bad' teachers if they had the right to discipline, a right which has been taken away from them. It would help to if people quit blaming everything wrong with a child on the teacher & look to the parents. After all, they're the child's first role models, are they not? Parents should be responsible for their kids.
26

JohnBowes,

21/07/2008 23:50:43
The main reason that parents do not trust the disciplinary system that connect to incompetent teachers is that they see teachers overseeing the disciplinary system. They see cover ups galore.

They will NEVER trust the GTC - that's just teachers judging teachers. People are not daft.

We know that there are UMPTEEN incompetent teachers. We KNOW that few if any ever FAIL at University. That looks ridiculous. Quite simply, it looks like a course that is impossible to fail.

As for local authorities being able to sack teachers... EH?

By local authority we are talking about Education Departments that are staffed by TEACHERS. Far too many of our kids are getting teachers that are severe incompetents.

And M and S power suits and intellectual specs do not hide that FACT. We are sick of cover ups.

How many cheated their way through Uni? How many brown nosed amongst other things?

Doing a wiggle waggle walk hardly hides severe incompetence. And the same is true for back scratching and worse... People KNOW what is going on... they really do.

They have no status whatsoever. People see them as con merchants.

27

JohnBowes,

21/07/2008 23:54:58
A few years ago a teacher was moved from Gorouck High school for matters of a sexual nature towards girls in the school. He was simply MOVED to another school. A few years later he was gaoled and put on the sex register. They simply moved him from one school to another. Unbelievable and is sickening.

At court one former pupil said that she was afraid of him BUT female teachers made her go to his room and so on. Enough to make one weep. It really is. Such people are severe and utter trash.
28

Scottie,

South Africa 30/07/2008 14:55:57
I wonder how many of the school staff who connived in the instance mentioned in #27 moaned like crazy about a similar thing happening in the Catholic priesthood in the USA?
29

Eustace,

/ 05/09/2008 10:11:03
Greater representation of Parents who are not employed within the Public Services is required. We may be caught in the midst of other people's warfare and Industrial negotiations.

Some recognition that there are different categories of Pupil and different categories of Parent is required otherwise there may be an underclass of Outsiders as opposed to Insiders employed within particular cliques within the "Joined Up" Services.

I recall that when I was at School we used to make diagrams in Maths lessons demonstrating Sets. It would be interesting to engage in an exercise demonstrating the groupings and various sets to which Children and Parents belonged (including Union affiliation).

 

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