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Council accused of 'privatising' nursery after 15% rise in fees



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Published Date: 04 August 2008
PARENTS have accused the council of "privatising" an Edinburgh nursery after it hiked fees to bring it in line with the private sector.
They fear they will be forced to take their children out of Cowgate Under 5's Centre as many can't afford the 15 per cent rise in fees.

The city council says the centre is unlike any other local authority nursery in the city as it provides care be
tween 7am and 6pm.

It claims that it is therefore more akin to private nurseries, which is why the fees have been brought in line with the private sector.

But parents of children at the Cowgate centre argue the council-subsidised facility should not be compared to private nurseries.

The hike, which came into effect on Friday, sees an increase in fees from £664.35 to £764 per month for under twos, £659.20 to £758 for children aged between two and three and £662.30 to £761 for children aged three to five.

Parents of children aged between three and five get an "educational discount" equivalent to 12.5 hours of nursery time per week so do not have to pay the full amount.

Beth Cross, chairwoman of the Cowgate Under 5s Centre's parent council, says families will struggle to meet the extra costs – around £1200 per year per child – and has accused the council of trying to privatise the centre.

A single parent of a three-year-old, she has written to council officials questioning their reasoning for the "dramatic increase in fees" and says a number of parents are worried about it.

She said: "Parents who have two children there in particular will be really, really pushed.

"Parents are now faced with having to disrupt their child's nursery provision in order to find more affordable care.

"I know of one family for which this has already proven to be the case. I think we were informed too late. They made this decision back in February but didn't tell us until a point where we had no choice.

"To me it seems like privatising a local council service.

"I don't think we are doing the private nursery sector out of business, but why should that be the first concern?"

The Cowgate centre received the best ever inspection report for a nursery in Scotland in March this year. The faultless report from the HM Inspectorate of Education and the Care Commission saw the centre receive 11 "excellents" – where a lot of nurseries struggle to achieve one – with inspectors taking the unusual step of not recommending any changes or improvements be carried out.

Labour councillor Elizabeth Maginnis was contacted by parents and has written to officials to find out why the fees are being increased so dramatically.

She said: "Labour's big idea is to try to provide affordable care for families.

The idea that this local authority is putting up fees to be the same as the private sector is outrageous."

A council spokeswoman said: "Cowgate Under 5's Centre is a subsidised service and this increase in the fees will bring it into line with similar facilities in the private sector."





The full article contains 531 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 04 August 2008 10:46 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Skip McClendon,

04/08/2008 12:12:11
Yet more rants from child-hating numpties in 5...4...3...2...1...
2

The Judge,

04/08/2008 12:17:45
Quite right, no child care should be subsidised by the tax payer. If people want to have children they should think about how they will be cared for whilst they are at work. If anything the fees are too low.


A single parent of a three-year-old, she has written to council officials questioning their reasoning for the "dramatic increase in fees" and says a number of parents are worried about it.

Virgin birth was it?
3

You can take the boy out of Lanarkshire...,

Edinburgh 04/08/2008 12:21:54
It's hard to believe, but the council are doing something sensible for once.

Most parents in the city only get the 12.5 hours of nursery teaching time for our kids paid for by the council (as laid down by the Scottish Government). If you want more hours you either pay for them, or have to move your kids to a private nursery and pay more for (frankly) not as good a service).

Why should these parents expect to get something cheaply when the rest of us have to pay market rates. If the nursery is as good as they say (and it probably is) then the council would be justified in charging MORE than the private sector....
4

Labour Sleeze Reporter,

04/08/2008 12:27:07
why would cowgate mothers contact Bunty Backhander. She is the councillor for pilton. can gemma not figure it out that bunty just likes to get her name in the paper so she can blog about it.
5

rs,

04/08/2008 13:18:43
nursery...with times of 7-6pm.....its a Childminding service......do these Babies actually see there parents

What ever happened to parents bringing up their own kids until they went to Nursery school?
6

Jenny MacArthur's Humvee,

04/08/2008 13:18:48
Just become an alkie or a smackhead, then all your childcare is paid for.
7

Finbarr Saunders,

04/08/2008 13:33:22
Why would any loving parent abandon their child to a group of strangers for 11 hours per day and pay almost £800 per month for the privilege?

And, if it is because they want to pursue their career, why did they bother having kids in the first place?
8

Statsman,

Edinburgh 04/08/2008 14:34:43
More money for flags and trams.
9

Skip McClendon,

04/08/2008 14:59:34
It seems that parents cannot win with the whingers on here. Damned if they stay at home as "spongers" and damned if they choose to work for "abandoning their kids". If everyone thought like the typical EEN anti-child moaner, the human race would die-out within the next 10 minutes.
10

James (1),

04/08/2008 15:15:44
This council seems to be trying very hard to make parents pay for their children.
Why are we doing things from the past?
If a mother has a child it is surely my responsibility along with every other working person to pay for its keep? After all we have nothing to do with the child but do have money.

#9 When a mother has a child they should have considered how they are going to pay to maintain it. Part of this plan is not relying on strangers to do so. Everything costs money so why should nursery places be any different?
Their child means their responsibilty. I know some mothers will totally disagree with this. We all make choices in life and theirs was to have a child.
11

Skip McClendon,

04/08/2008 15:22:35
#10

Yes, people have to pay for their own children. But why should a council nursery place cost the same as a private (i.e. profit making) nursery? The Council nursery should be giving priority to the less affluent families...it should not be looking to make a profit from them.

If you think Councils should be making a profit from this, what's to stop them starting to make profit from other services? Like emptying your bin, looking after your granny etc? That's not what local authorities are supposed to be doing.
12

JG,

Fife 04/08/2008 15:45:14
#11 Skip
Councils HAVE put up the costs for the elderly and disabled who require help.
13

rs,

in ma house 04/08/2008 15:48:45
no11

correct me about the ages, but 3 & 4 years old children get a free Nursery place in a nursery, this is normally for 4 or 5 morning or afternoon sessions, approx 2.5 days depending on what Council nursery they attend.

under that age there is no "obligation" for provision.
People have decided to HAVE children and DECIDED to go back to work. They want nurseries look after their
children, but as some one else commented they want the council tax payer to subsidise there childcare.

People on "low incomes" can claim thousands from the state via the child tax credits/working tax credits system to help them with their CHILDCARE.

There was a comment from a Headteacher on the news recently commenting Breakfast clubs/after school clubs.
The schools were becoming surrogate parents.

7am - 6pm, what about the child's well being, what happened about to all the Parent/Child bonding thing.

Shock horror, People having children and having to bring them up/look after them themselves......terrible
14

YummyMummy,

04/08/2008 16:54:03
I agree and disagree with alot of the comments made.
Cowgate is a very good nursery and i personally do think they should charge more because of the excellent service provided. However, the parents should of been informed well before now if it has been in 'talks' since Feb.
I disagree with people rs, schools are not becoming surrogate parents, they are helping out parents who go to work to better their own and childrens life. I went to a childminders in the morning and an after school club when i was at school so my dad, who was my sole carer, could work so i could have things like holidays and a new bike at christmas. These things have been around for years you know.
#9, your so right, damned if you work, damned if you dont!
15

YummyMummy,

04/08/2008 16:54:50
Sorry, that should be people like rs
16

Joe,

New Street 04/08/2008 16:59:59
Folk elected a right wing council and should expect right wing policies.
17

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 04/08/2008 20:58:41
not one junkie /smackheeds children are looked after by the council, the cost of child care is 85% run by migrants at a cost three times more than when the council done the job before
18

rs,

.with 2 kids ! 04/08/2008 21:58:19
No15, the surrogate parent comment was not mine, but from a PROFESSIONALLY QUALIFIED HEADTEACHER, making a comment from the inside.

Schools are supposed to be there to educate children, not provide a childminding service, is what he was more or less would saying

Many breakfast clubs are being set up because children are being sent out in the morning without a "proper breakfast".

Taking out a child under 2 and leaving them at a childcare centre from 7am to 6pm is just part of todays sad society.

Todays children are passed from pillar to post

Maybe the truth hurts?

But debate the article and give comments for and against the article.

Its a SORRY era that we live in now, caused by todays lifestyle?, must have a holiday, must have the latest designer clothes, must have the latest TV/mp3 player etc. or 2 or 3 cars in the drive.

take a read at the comments?
19

poorworkingclassfemale,

PRESTONPANS 04/08/2008 22:37:53
What is child credit tax paid for? or even child benefit?

The moaning minnies who are complaining about the increased cost of child care are already getting tax credits.

I am sick to the back teeth of subsidising whingers
20

poorworkingclassfemale,

PRESTONPANS 04/08/2008 22:37:58
What is child credit tax paid for? or even child benefit?

The moaning minnies who are complaining about the increased cost of child care are already getting tax credits.

I am sick to the back teeth of subsidising whingers
21

poorworkingclassfemale,

PRESTONPANS 04/08/2008 22:38:05
What is child credit tax paid for? or even child benefit?

The moaning minnies who are complaining about the increased cost of child care are already getting tax credits.

I am sick to the back teeth of subsidising whingers
22

poorworkingclassfemale,

PRESTONPANS 04/08/2008 22:38:14
What is child credit tax paid for? or even child benefit?

The moaning minnies who are complaining about the increased cost of child care are already getting tax credits.

I am sick to the back teeth of subsidising whingers
23

poorworkingclassfemale,

PRESTONPANS 04/08/2008 22:39:15
apologies - comp is on the blink
24

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 04/08/2008 22:41:37
What DOES the council actually 'DO' now ????? They seem to cost an arm and a leg but do nothing themselves and can't afford anything ... !!

Too many staff, crackpot schemes, and lazy attitudes - get rid of the lot of them and start again!
25

me150,

05/08/2008 08:27:25
Anyone who pays over £600 per month can surely pay a bit more. They are also NOT on tax credits as their income is far too substantial.

Alternatively give up a few of the following and become a 'real' person/parent:

The home that is too big or lavish for the family, get a more realistic dwelling.
The second, or third, car or even downgrade from the guzzlers you already have.
Cut back on the number or expensive foreign holidays and holiday either in the UK or have one foreign package holiday a year.
Clean your own house instead of having a housekeeper.
Buy proper clothing instead of designer labels for youselves and your babies.
Have less lavish nights out.

Cut back a little and one of the parents, if that is the correct term for someone who never sees or takes responsibility for their children, will be able to stay at home to look after the offspring.

Us normal people work hard and full time, and the rest, just to have a little more than the basics. We have our children and we look after them with the help of family.

We rarely have a good holiday, never have more than one car, clean our own houses etc etc etc and we do not pay over £700 for childcare a month. Oh and don't forget we actually know what our children look like.
26

rs,

in ma house 05/08/2008 08:40:18
comment 25, me150

best comment, last sentence is priceless!
27

poorworkingclassfemale,

PRESTONPANS 05/08/2008 09:03:12
me150 lucky you. Not all working class parents have family to look after their kids. You must be earning megabucks and part of the upper middle class not to qualify for tax credits
28

me150,

05/08/2008 10:17:19
#27. read again!!

We do not have family to look after our kids, as you put it. We get SOME help on the odd occasion from family. We look after our own for 90% of the time.

NO we do not earn megabucks, read my posting.

NO we are not anywhere near middle class, read my post.

YES we do get tax credits, read my post.3

Please read and at least attempt to understand posts before you make stupid comments.

 

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