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£5m social work cash crisis



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Published Date: 06 August 2008
THE city's health and social care department has plunged nearly £5 million into the red – sparking warnings that more cash is needed to help Edinburgh's vulnerable residents.
New figures show that in its first year, the Lib Dem/SNP administration almost doubled the overspend run up by the previous Labour council in 2006-7.

Health and social care chiefs today said that demands being put on the department by an ageing po
pulation are behind the crisis, but insisted there will be no frontline service cuts this year to alleviate the problem. An extra £6.9m was put into this year's budget, designed to allow more people to receive care in their own homes.

However, union leaders and opposition politicians warned cutbacks could be on the horizon.

In 2006-7, the department overspent by £2.28m, rising to £4.96m in 2007-8. The previous Labour administration had put £196m into the health and social care budget, before it was voted out at the May elections.

Lib Dem councillor Paul Edie, the city's health and social care leader, said: "The overspend in 2007-8 was largely a result of under-investment and because demand for services has increased.

"An additional £2.2m was needed to deliver care at home services for older people. This was addressed by allocating additional money in this year's budget.

"Another contribution to the overspend can be attributed to one-off events such as the Government's free personal care policy – over £1m had to be reimbursed for meal preparation charges (which were wrongly charged based on government guidance].

He added: "We are facing huge demographic pressures and it is vital we shift the balance of care towards supporting people in their own homes for longer. This was reflected in our budget."

Across all departments, the Lib Dem/SNP administration managed to balance the books and underspent by £600,000 in 2007-8. This compares to an overspend of £5.6m by the previous Labour administration in 2006-7.

Labour's health and social care spokeswoman for Edinburgh, Lesley Hinds, said today: "Cllr Paul Edie has written in a departmental magazine, saying that he is starting 2008-9 with a 'clean sheet'. He's actually starting with a £5m overspend that he was in charge of.

"I don't see how this won't have an effect on frontline services. This money has to be found from somewhere."

John Stevenson, spokesman for Unison's Edinburgh branch, said: "This wasn't an overspend, it was an under-budget.

"More and more people need these services, but the money isn't there."





The full article contains 430 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 06/08/2008 12:14:36
what they fail to mention , is the fact ,after causing untold misery through incompetence and demanding more money of the tax payer, they are still failing .to provide a decent service , now just like oliver they want more , more ,more . giving someone more money doesnt make them better at their job, just more greedy.
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 06/08/2008 12:20:52
This is the result of brown envelopes and greed.
3

subrosa,

06/08/2008 12:36:46
I see us pensioners are getting the blame. Got to blame someone and the wrinklies seldom complaint so we'll just use them. Pathetic behaviour.

Time to clear out these social work departments of the dross they carry. Far too many of them produce little or nothing and duplicate, triplicate etc work of others.

I could go on and on about the inefficient and ineffective social workers I came across during my professional years.
4

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 06/08/2008 12:38:29
Yet another shining example of the total incompetence, mismanagement and devil may care attitude towards public money by the LIB/LAB pact and their spendthrift civil servants.

They need to cut the number of administrative staff in half and if this means reducing red tape then so be it ... as usual the unions will whinge about losing members but they care not about the taxpayer and would rather see us screwed to the wall whilst paying countless thousands of their useless workers far too much for far too little !
5

observer9,

Glasgow 06/08/2008 13:12:16
Another overspend, another year of hot air, another period of enjoying the fruits of taxpayers money.

But, no lessons learned, again. No improvement in service levels or competence but yet another wailing about funds. What about BRAINS, what about positive results.

They don't have a clue and they don't care. Why.? Becaise no matter how they perform the pay, pensions and perks still come.

They are the highest cost, servicing a small but vocal minority of our society and costing the council tax payers the largest percentage of our dues.

Thay are not fit for purpose.
6

Artemis,

06/08/2008 13:22:26
#4 - if you cut the admin staff, then the professional staff - the social workers and occupational therapists - have to do the admin tasks instead of doing the work they're supposed to do, which will just lead to increased waiting lists and a poorer service for vulnerable people. We have an expanding population. People are living longer. People are surviving diseases and injuries which previously would have killed them, and go on to require long term care. All of this contributes to an increased demand for social work services, with no corresponding increase in the budget to pay for care for people.
7

Artemis,

06/08/2008 13:22:53
Meanwhile, the council have £100,000 to spend on chairs and tables, and £1.3million to spend on flags.
8

Boy Wonder,

06/08/2008 13:23:47
Lets see ... Sociakl Work vs Flags for more money.

And our city backs flags!!!

Get these losers out now!
9

Labradoodle,

06/08/2008 13:24:04
#4

just a small point: Lib/Lab ?????? last time I checked it was the lib dems and SNP that were 'running' the council..
10

observer9,

Glasgow 06/08/2008 13:35:35
#6
Professional staff, are you having a laugh.
Care workers,nurses etc, fine, totally behind them.

Huggy wuggy, It's not your fault, its societys, I've got issues, it wisnae me, background report dodging, ned embracing, human rights twisting excuses for professionals.

11

Top Floor,

06/08/2008 13:39:41
#2 Stupid statement unless you can back it up with some facts ?

#4 LibLab pact ? what planet have you been on for last 18 months ?
12

Cramondo,

Edinburgh 06/08/2008 15:30:35
#4 Have to say I agree with post 6. Unless things have drastically changed, the level of admin support offered to staff such as social workers is woefully inadequate. It's inefficient to train people to do a difficult job then have them spend their daily lives doing admin tasks that could easily be done by someone else.
13

subrosa,

06/08/2008 15:55:43
# 12

Difficult job? Being a social worker is a difficult job? I've dealt with many social workers during my working life and I've yet to meet one who didn't take their full tea or lunch breaks (and many times the lunch breaks were extended). Visit any social work department after 5pm and see how many are working.

What wrong with them doing their own admin in this day and age. When I was far younger I qualified as a secretary just as fun at night school. This stood me in great stead all my working life as I was able to do my own admin and thus save on having secretaries. Working a telephone and computer should be second nature to these people and filing is something all responsible people should know.

Admin doesn't take hours in any job unless it involves tax and/or VAT. That doesn't affect social workers.

Weed out the dross as I said before. There are lots of pensioners who would like some help in their lives but nearly all say 'No point in speaking to these social workers, nothing gets done and you just get endless visits'. I'm a pensioner and now I do voluntary work with older pensioners. Few have had a good experience of our local social work department and it's classed as one of the 'good' councils.
14

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06/08/2008 16:15:33
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15

alex paterson,

edinburgh 06/08/2008 16:39:12
#11

Oh yes.
16

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06/08/2008 16:54:47
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17

Tolle1,

06/08/2008 16:56:26
How much of this is accounted for due to using Agency Staff and Consultants?
18

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

06/08/2008 17:12:59
the social work dept needs pruned
19

subrosa,

06/08/2008 17:37:59
# 14

There are many over 60s who do an excellent job in the voluntary sector and all for no financial gain. In my own area the biggest sticking point to helping the needy are the social work departments. They have such a negative view of everything it's unbelievable.

Without volunteers this country would be in a total mess.
20

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 06/08/2008 17:45:49
9 & 11 - It can't just be me that knows that the disgusting labour party and their poodles the lib dems planted 'time bombs' out of sheer sour grapes for the incoming administration and towards the people who had the cheek to vote these arrogant parasites out ! - Trams just being one little example .... this is just another mess which Labour has left behind for everyone to sort out .... Meanwhile LIB/LAB - in the full knowledge that they are to blame - scream like little kids that it's the other blokes mess just because he happens to be standing over their mess now !! It is beggars belief that some of the public are dumb enough to believe that !

Furthermore is it not the case that the LIB Dems are the largest party in the council ? So would it not be fair to say that they are driving the agenda - rather badly at that !!?

6 - with all due respect - utter nonsense ! - Labour has an open policy of 'job creation' where they deliberately complicate procedures in order to 'invent' new job post that need to be filled - it keeps their greedy unions happy and massages the unemployment figures in their favour at our expense !!

What is even worse is that then they start believing their own false success and on the basis that unemployment is low they panic when the economy genuinely does expand and open up the flood gates to immigrants ... just like everything else they do they erroneously expand the population believing that more 'bodies' will make us prosper but they forget about the increased strain on our infrastructure - so they panic there too and throw money at the problem without thinking about the root causes.

Efficiency in government is alien as it can get and NOBODY can argue that the system wouldn't benefit from a right royal burning of the deadwood ... except the greedy and selfish unions of course !
21

Vandala,

06/08/2008 17:47:41
The level of ignorance on these boards continues to appal me. Everyday it's the same: ten or twelve reactionary bigots, probably retired and undoubtedly male, spout forth an incoherent, uninformed and utterly venomous tirade on the vulnerable, voiceless, and even those who are actually work on the front line trying to do something of good in this world.

It is childish, irresponsible and downright insulting to suggest social workers should be unpaid and even more contemptible to refer to people who live in Council houses (of which there are none, actually, they are called Housing Associations) as "scumbags".

Don't you people have any compassion? Don't you have any understanding of the day-to-day workings of society, that not everyone has the wherewithal or financial independence to fare for themselves?

I think it's time that the Johnston Press shut down these comment pages for good. They do not foster any kind of serious debate...just the same, uniformed, borderline fascist bile, day after day.
22

subrosa,

06/08/2008 18:08:45
# 21 'Don't you people have any compassion? Don't you have any understanding of the day-to-day workings of society, that not everyone has the wherewithal or financial independence to fare for themselves?'

Many older people have compassion - perhaps too much of it. Yes we do understand the day to day workings of society, far more than the younger generations.

This thread is about social workers. I posted my opinion about today's social workers. I must record that in the 60s and 70s social workers were of a different type to today's social worker. They were like the old health visitor - action spoke louder than words.

Part of today's social worker's problem is obviously this fixation of Westminster to have everything recorded within an inch of its life. This doesn't help these workers use their common sense, got feelings or initiatives. But still there are people in social work today who would be far better employed in another area as they have all the compassion 'speak' and little of the compassion 'action'.
23

"Hoots" Fandango,

06/08/2008 19:28:44
16 Dont call me a poof

Yer a poof.
24

VJ1000,

Edinburgh 06/08/2008 20:45:19
#13 'There are lots of pensioners who would like some help in their lives but nearly all say 'No point in speaking to these social workers, nothing gets done and you just get endless visits'.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it is not always the fault of the social worker that 'nothing gets done', but rather is due to the fact that the decision-making and budget allocation lies above their heads, and that they are working within a department which is seriously under-funded and lacking in resources. Unfortunately front line social workers are not magicians who can magic up resources from nowhere!
Most social workers are as concerned about the lack of resources and quality of services as everyone else is!
25

Scotish Exile,

06/08/2008 21:01:59
get rid of the wasters, that would save shed loads of money, only trouble is, would there be any staff left??

How much do the sickies taken by social work staff cost??
26

Boggle fey the Bog,

06/08/2008 21:14:09
Just a wee thought, if Embra wis tae scrap the 'trams' ye knaw they wans that urny gonna ease congestion, then maybe they wid huv mair monie fur Social Works.

27

subrosa,

06/08/2008 22:24:38
# 21
'Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it is not always the fault of the social worker that 'nothing gets done', but rather is due to the fact that the decision-making and budget allocation lies above their heads, and that they are working within a department which is seriously under-funded and lacking in resources. Unfortunately front line social workers are not magicians who can magic up resources from nowhere!'

Oh here we go - not enough money. I've heard that for many years - we need more resources, more money. Really it's becoming such a poor excuse.

Social work doesn't necessarily require money. Many things can be resolved with social workers who have expert knowledge in a subject. But one thing I would say, why don't social workers be honest with their client group instead of saying they'll do something then don't. I speak on behalf of the over 60s. Sometimes I feel the over 60s are so patronised by the likes of social workers - it's as if they lost their brains when we gave up work.
28

Vandala,

07/08/2008 00:03:30
#27. I presume you were referring to 24 and not 21.

But to answer your continually specious logic, of course it's about money. It's about how available resources are in conflict with unprecedented demographic changes. While the conspiracy trolls that lurk on the Johnston press website (many of which I presume are monikers for Evening News staffers) continually to spread nonsense about "brown envelopes" and "incompetence", the reality of the fact - which any fool who has spent even ten minutes looking at the statistics - can tell you is:

1) Scotland's population is getting rapidly older because people are living longer. As a result, there is not enough public money from the working population to pay for the care of the older population.

2) Due to people living to an older age and living healthier lives, they are succumbing to various forms of dementia which requires long-term care.

3) Due to a system which is essentially compassionate, we are offering those people a higher standard of care, which obviously costs more money than simply leaving them on trolleys to die.

4) People are having less children...see point number 1.

5) Scottish people aren't particularly friendly to other races, which further depletes the population.

6)Social care services aren't just for old people. There has also been a massive rise in autistic spectrum disorder...which has been thus far largely unexplained. Again, because the care system is compassionate (and if you had a child that had autism, you would be thankful for it), we, as a society have a duty of care to look after such people rather than leaving them to rot in instituitions.

7) 90% of people in the UK earn less than £38,000 per year, so the usual right-wing suggestion that individuals can fend for themselves is nonsense. Have you any idea what nursing care costs per DAY?

8) The suggestion, made by others (and not you admittedly) that social workers deal mostly with "neds" and "scumbags" is statistical n
29

Vandala,

07/08/2008 00:05:29
...onsense.
30

Ian down under,

Kawerau 07/08/2008 03:56:36
What, exactly do social workers do. So far I can see they carry wee underarm briefcases and they drink good coffee and drive nippy wee 'green' cars.
Do they roll up their sleeves and help the elderly like caregivers or home helps do? Do they care for the vulnerable when ill like nurses and doctors do?
Do they take away what remaining ability some younger people have to manage their own affairs and therefore take away all their responsibilities to society? Do they mollycoddle some young, healthy, unmotivated and demanding "I know ma rights" types so that they never wake up and play a part.
Do they guard criminals in prison?
What do they actually do and if they all stopped work for a month would we really notice?
31

Climate change is a fraud,

07/08/2008 16:34:36
Socialism is a disease.

Socialism is a form of Communism, Ezra Taft Benson.

Dr. Fred Schwarz, You Can Trust the Communists (to be Communists)

http://www.schwarzreport.org/ycttable.htm
32

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 04:19:43
Vandala - you are a left wing idiot - who can't see the difference between squandering money and dealing with problems.

Social workers are pretty worthless these days - they used to be worth something when they actually did something.

You scream for more money and then, most despicably, use the 'poor people' as an excuse .. they will not see a difference but I bet the unions and staff pension funds will !!! Sickening !

I'd just fire half of them and tell the other half to get on with it - if they striked - so be it I'd get rid of the lot of them for all the good they do they wouldn't be missed.

There is only one sector of the community that is voiceless and vulnerable and that is the indigenous population of Britain who make up the MAJORITY !! And they have to watch their country going down the pan because of socialist air heads like you ...!

 

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