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Slowdown echoes Great Depression, says Bank's deputy chief



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Published Date: 26 August 2008
THE severity of the current economic downturn has been likened to the Great Depression of the 1930s by the new deputy governor of the Bank of England.
The slowdown, which has threatened to plunge the world's major economies into recession, was likely to drag on for "some time", according to Charles Bean, Britain's second most senior banker.

And he raised the spectre cited by other economists that the combination of market upheavals and soaring oil prices could trigger conditions similar to the depression that started in the late 1920s and dragged on for a decade.

His warning came amid reports that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has scaled back forecasts for global growth made just a month ago.

The IMF is predicting world growth of 3.9 per cent in 2008, compared to the 4.1 per cent estimated in its July World Economic Outlook. It also forecasts growth next year of 3.7 per cent instead of 3.9 per cent.

"It's fair to say that if you look at the shocks impinging on us this is at least as challenging a time as back in the 1970s," Mr Bean said at the annual conference of the world's top central bankers in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.

"Some people have said it's as big a financial shock as the Great Depression and as far as the oil shock goes the rise in oil prices is in the same order of magnitude that we had to deal with in the 1970s."

"Last year this was a financial crisis that we thought with a bit of luck would be over by the time of Christmas, but it has dragged on for a year and looks like it will drag on for some considerable time further yet," he said.

He and his colleagues are facing the biggest financial challenge of the last 40 years, with the threat of a slowing market and rampant inflation conspiring against the Bank to immediately cut interest rates.

Inflation is running at 4.4 per cent – more than double official targets – and is set to peak above 5 per cent driven by surging food, fuel and energy costs.

Even when the markets looked like they were improving, another "grenade explodes" bringing fear of sustainability to financial institutions, Mr Bean said.

"We have our fingers crossed but there is the recognition there is still quite a long way to go yet."

Mr Bean added that he hoped that the economy would grow next year, despite official figures last week signalling the end of a 16 year boom.

Inflation "should drop back" into next year, he said, in remarks that will fuel hopes for borrowers of interest rate cuts.

His warning was echoed by Sir Peter Burt, the former governor of the Bank of Scotland.

But Sir Peter appeared to take a swipe at new accounting rules imposed on banks and called for the government to ensure that no other financial institution would go bust.

"I hope the Bank of England are doing more than just crossing their collective fingers." he said.

Tough new rules made it more difficult for banks to lend and these rules had been like "pouring petrol onto a bonfire".

"The Bank of England must be prepared to act as lender of last resort. We cannot afford to let a major bank collapse," he told BBC Radio 4.

A bank closure would "lead to the dominoes falling like crazy" with knock-on effects for all parts of the economy.

The government's insistence that the newly nationalised Northern Rock pay off £25 billion in 12 months was taking that amount out of the mortgage market, he said.

David Kern, an economic adviser to the British Chambers of Commerce, said: "We certainly believe that the impact of the credit crunch is going to take some time to sort out and it may be prolonged.

"But if the right measures can be taken by the government and the monetary policy committee, they can avoid a major recession."

Vince Cable, the Treasury spokesman for the Liberal Democrats said Mr Bean's comments showed that the government and Bank of England were powerless to do much about the British economy which was "to a large extent in freefall".

Devastating outcome of collapse in confidence

IT STARTED with a stock market crash in the United States in October 1929, but soon no major industrialised nation was left untouched by what became known as the Great Depression.

The decade-long economic collapse was a time of runs on banks, falling prices and rising unemployment of a magnitude that has not been replicated since.

Thousands of investors lost their livelihoods when the New York Stock Exchange prices collapsed on Black Tuesday in October 1929. Within three years, shares had plunged to just one fifth of their 1929 values.

Nearly a third of US banks had failed by 1933, dramatically ending the speculative boom that had underpinned the 1920s.

This in turn knocked the confidence out of other parts of the economy, triggering a huge drop in production as the US imposed tariffs in the belief that this would protect it.

The impact soon spread to the United States' greatest dependents in the post First World War era.

The most affected was Germany, where the poor economic conditions had profound political consequences, with the rise of Adolf Hitler.

Britain's export sector was also hit and unemployment more than doubled from one million to 2.5 million in one year.

In industrialised cities such as Glasgow, a third of the working-age population was unemployed.

The Great Depression – a term coined by Lionel Robbins, a British economist who taught at the London School of Economics – was only ended by the militarisation in the run up to the Second World War.

Workers were needed to fulfil the generous armaments contracts .




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  • Last Updated: 26 August 2008 12:04 AM
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1

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

26/08/2008 00:06:36
"The Great Depression – a term coined by Lionel Robbins, a British economist who taught at the London School of Economics"

Peculiar then that the consequences of a collapsed credit bubble in the US in the 1870's were also known as "The Great Depression".
2

Cammy,

Edinburgh 26/08/2008 00:26:33
The Bank of England is being run by Mr Bean.

Although I think we all suspected that this must be the case. :-)

3

8/10 Cats,

26/08/2008 00:33:20
"In industrialised cities such as Glasgow, a third of the working-age population was unemployed."

Wow. Imagine that, Glasgow must be looking forward to the Great Depression to increase its employment rate to 66%.

And employment only as high as high as 2.5 million in the Great Depression. Jeez, that was lower than when thatcher started attacking inflation.

Labour will up benefits and chain everyone working (not public sector) to the machine to keep taxes rolling in. The talented, Engineers, physicists, chemists, architects etc will begger off for a decade and help teach, build things in the East where they haven't been greedy.
4

8/10 Cats,

26/08/2008 00:34:26
I am going to laugh at the unemployed social workers/pointless admin types public sector banker and estate agents as they lose their jobs.

It is all their fault. If they had traind as useful people and decided to work for aliving none of this owuld have happened.
5

8/10 Cats,

26/08/2008 00:51:08
All those poor, poor finance and admin people who clothed themselves in slave labour products, all those poor pointless idiots who joined the system like Hitler's henchmen because "it was only their job".

Can't wait. Reality bites. But, but what about my MBA, what about my business admin degree, that is worth 40,000 bottles of water a year. Not in the desert it's not, and neither does your worthless paper have value.

Good.
6

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 26/08/2008 01:01:00
The Great Depression began with the 1929 stock market crash and lasted until 1936 or so.
For England's "second most senior" bank suit to be able to remember the GD enough to hear the "echoes" would make him somewhere around 100 years old.
Isn't it about time to hang up the Savill Row old chap?
7

Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/08/2008 05:40:10
2 - nope he's got more importamnt matters on his mind such as UK fitba team for the Olympix
8

Itchy,

26/08/2008 06:44:45
"And he raised the spectre cited by other economists that the combination of market upheavals and soaring oil prices could trigger conditions similar to the depression that started in the late 1920s and dragged on for a decade"

The great depression lasted as long as it did because Hoover and then Roosevelt had insatiable appetites for higher taxes.

Just like Gordon Brown has.
9

steve 1511,

aberdeen 26/08/2008 06:48:56
our great leader comrade brown has added this problemn to his to do list,as he get on with the job of squandering britians wealth and the wealth of the next generation of britians
10

The Daleks,

Longmen 26/08/2008 06:52:40
#10

There's more than a decade of misery in store. Our capitalists and their political puppets have sent all of our jobs and industry to the east, and they ain't coming back anytime soon, if ever.
11

drunken proffet,

Tassy 26/08/2008 07:33:55
I believe what ended the Great Depression was the USA going off the gold standard. That way they could increase the available credit by investing in real estate, commercial development and international commerce. The new standard was limitless credit as long as it was invested in recognisable assets. That went by the board in the mid seventies when they discovered that lending money to the man in the street was very profitable, as long as he kept up repayments and the guys who paid outnumbered the guys who did not. Then of course you had the subprime market which was I suppose lending to people who should not have been borrowing in the first place. So as the available credit dries up, your companies start to fold. As they fold, the credit card companies come under pressure. Then you hit chronic inflation and everyone gets miserable. Ach I am only kidding, when nothing happens over here you try and stir things a bit.
12

John Cameron,

St Andrews 26/08/2008 07:39:26
How fortunate we are still led by Mr Gordon Bean of Downing Street and Kirkcaldy. If he had not conquered "boom and bust" ten years ago, we would be in a sorry state. As it is, Scotland can sail calmly through the Credit Crunch, Housing Collapse, Pension Failure, etc. And is it not a joy that all Scots now work in Dear Gordon's pretendy government jobs and are thus removed from economic reality? Should we not make Gordy el Brown the permanent Prime Minister and Mullah of Britain?
13

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 26/08/2008 07:51:38
'Bean counter' Bean is a banker, not an economist. All respectable economists saw the writing on the wall long ago and said so. Sadly, neither the government nor the banks understood the sums and trends. The financial industry is a disgrace. It requires total overhaul and then firm regulation by persons not involved with either the banks or government (ie the opposite of the present situation).
14

eric,

lothian 26/08/2008 08:30:46
3 Glasgows finacial district is larger than Edinburgh city centre,Fanancial companies have been choosing Glasgow over Edinburgh because of the red tape through here.Glasgow has seen it all before wore the t shirt,
And has come from an Industrial city to overtake edinburgh in the tourist market every now and again.Now thats some doing for an x industrial City.
15

Bigwull,

edinburgh 26/08/2008 09:03:39
that's it just add to the panic
13 the 2nd world war ended the great depression in the USA
16

Alan B,

26/08/2008 09:10:05
Seems an irresponsible thing for the BOE deputy to come out with.
17

Climate change is a fraud,

26/08/2008 10:57:17
UKIP can help most families during this global economic depression. We will abandon the Common Agricutural Policy, saving the average family more than £1000 a year on their shopping bill!

We will also save the equivalent of more than £100,000/minute that we currently pay the EU. Why should we give them our money?

We'll reinstate the 2,500 post offices that have been closed by the EU this year (2008-2009), and we'll bring back weekly bin collections (another EU directive!).

Let's be like Switzerland: out of the EU!

18

Bigwull,

edinburgh 26/08/2008 11:29:23
19 "HEIL HITLER!!"
19

drew 33,

26/08/2008 11:42:19
Praise be that Brown ended boom and bust in 1997 and has given us a strong economy, otherwise we might be having problems.
20

Alan B,

26/08/2008 15:19:11
#Climate change is a fraud

UKIP! You have to be kidding. If you think Brown has made a mess of the economy imagine the economic mess the uk would have if we pulled out of the eu.

Do you no remember the economic decline of britain before we joined the eec.

The empire has gone. The commonwealth has gone. So you are seriously suggesting that an economy that took decades to put right our failure to join the eec earlier, should take one of the richest economies in the world, a major trading nation and turn it into an isolationist back water with 80s style unemployment.
21

Ivona Vujica,

Ottawa Canada 26/08/2008 15:21:18
Abolition of Fossil fuels, Nuclear power and Weapons
July 13 08

THE END OF THE DINOSAUR CIVILIZATION (FOSSIL FUELS, NUCLEAR) AND THE EMERGING CONFLATION OF GLOBAL WARMING, GLOBAL CIVIL WAR, WORLD ECONOMIC DEPRESSION AND THE EXTINCTION OF THE HUMAN SPECIES…

According to an old story, a lord of ancient China once asked his physician, a member of a family of healers, which of them was the most skilled in the art. The physician, whose reputation was such that his name became synonymous with medical science in China, replied,“My eldest sister sees the spirit of sickness and removes it before it takes shape, so her name does not get out of the house. My elder brother cures sickness when it is still extremely minute, so his name does not get out of the neighborhood. As for me, I puncture veins, prescribe medicines, and massage skin, so from time to time my name gets out and is heard among the lords.

(Dr. Thomas Cleary’s introduction to Sun Tzu’s Art of War translation – note: Sun Tzu was writing at a time when Chinese civilization was embroiled in civil wars.)

War, Global Warming, financial calamity, starvation and suffering has become pornographic fodder world-wide.“The best and brightest” participate and profit by it regardless of their being on the right, left or the middle.

Chaos and Disorder are imbued and dispersed in our Knowledge-, Economic-, Climate-, even Wisdom networks of knowing. Politicians run amuck and Corporations have their blinders on to everything except what legally they are obligated to do – that is to make profit above all else.(see The Corporation documentary - What is a corporation? http://www.youtube.com/watch... )

Too late is it now for long-term planning in the phase-out of King Coal and other Fossil Fuels and Nuclear Power and Weapons.

All Tribes, Nations, Communities and Peoples must call and ACT for the Full Abolition of King Coal, Fossil Fuels, Nuclear Power and Weapons immediately.

Abolition of King Co
22

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 26/08/2008 16:00:30
#23

All that is needed at the end is "Mwuhhaaahaaa hahaha!"
23

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

26/08/2008 17:16:29
Spot on #13: the seeds of the new credit cycle (and eventually bubble) are sown in the collapse of the previous cycle.
24

Tourist Guide,

26/08/2008 18:50:20
#16

Your usual entertaining contribution, Eric, and it's always nice to see your wish list!
25

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 27/08/2008 08:01:12
Letting bankers run the world as well as owning it (see the comments by the Gov. of the Bank of England in 1920) was never a good idea. Perhaps they're being criticized by other (dark) powers for not bringing us quick enough this economic depression, despite working unceassingly on their globalization agenda and paying themselves so well.

Government of the people by the people for the people is not a lost cause; it's for us it win it in Scotland. It's called Independence.

There's a housing shortage not because there's a shortage of brickies, carpenters, plumbers, electricians etc. who actually build them or of land for doing this. It's the organisation or rather dis-organisation of the "building industry" and finance. Monetary reform and land ownership are key issues. For a democratic nation to tackle -- not global bankers!
26

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