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Call to cut the methadone quick fix



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Published Date: 26 May 2008
ONE of Scotland's leading drug treatment experts yesterday urged ministers to withdraw methadone from addicts after a set time period as part of a radical new approach to drugs policy.
Neil McKeganey, the Professor of Drugs Misuse Research at Glasgow University, said he wanted a two-year limit set for anybody on methadone – the prescribed heroin substitute.

Prof McKeganey was speaking out as ministers prepared to launch their drugs strategy later this week.

Fergus Ewing, the community safety minister, has already indicated a change in approach, with a greater emphasis on rehabilitation and abstinence and less on methadone.

But yesterday Prof McKeganey urged Mr Ewing to be more radical.

He said: "There is no question that methadone has a role to play in assisting addicts to become drug-free but we have far too many addicts on it for far too long, many of whom are continuing to use illegal drugs alongside their methadone," he said.

"I am not saying we should not have methadone but what I am saying is people should be on it for a modest period of time and moved on to a drug-free programme. If it's not time limited, they remain on it for far too long and I do not think we should have addicts on methadone for more than two years."

Prof McKeganey's comments will increase the pressure on the Scottish Government to adopt a tough approach to drug policy.

Mr Ewing revealed over the weekend that he intended to unveil a "new vision" for drug policy.

The minister said: "People want us all to raise our aspirations and believe that people who use drugs should recover and move on. Our focus will be on recovery."

The minister said that other services, such as housing, employment and health, would also need to be involved to help addicts rebuild their lives.

But he warned that the "scourge of drugs" would not disappear overnight, adding: "The implementation of our vision for action to tackle drugs will take months and years to achieve."

However, Mr Ewing said: "If the government shows leadership, forges consensus and is clear about delivery, then I am confident we can make real progress in the years ahead."

It is understood that ministers accept the need for a greater emphasis on getting addicts off all drugs, including methadone, which costs the taxpayer up to £60 million a year in Scotland alone.

Prof McKeganey has been very clear that he believes that forcing addicts off methadone is the only way to achieve long-term success and he has been backed by the Conservatives, who have also urged ministers to take a firmer line on this issue.

But these views are not shared by all experts.

GP and drug researcher Roy Robertson said: "People taking illegal drugs have multiple health and social needs and are likely to remain dependent on methadone and other prescribed drugs for life. They are an ageing population. This is not good news for drugs policy and not what the government wants to hear. But policy has to take this into account."

WHAT NEXT

MINISTERS will unveil the Scottish Government's drugs strategy on Thursday this week.

About 22,000 Scots are on methadone programmes, using a drug which is prescribed to them as a substitute for heroin.

Ministers want to see more of these addicts become drug-free and are likely to put more emphasis on abstinence programmes and invest more money in rehabilitation schemes.

But one of the problems they face is that it has never been clear how much is actually spent tackling drugs because of different programmes being funded by different parts of government.

Robert Black, the Auditor General, is expected to produce a report explaining how much is spent by which departments in the near future, which will allow ministers to take better-informed decisions on overall drugs policy.

The full article contains 651 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 25 May 2008 10:19 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Drugs policy
 
1

Guga II,

Rockall 26/05/2008 02:23:56
When are the government going to realise that there are only three ways to deal with illegal drugs, as there is no way they can stop them.

The first way is to increase the sentences for drug use and dealing, with dealers being sentenced to life imprisonment or, preferably, hanged. Users could be sentenced to genuine hard labour. Slaps on the wrist and handing out methadone like lolly water just does not work.

The second way is to legalise is, and thus control it. They could even levy a tax on it, which would keep Maggie Broon happy.

The third way is to dump all users and dealers on a remote island (no, not Rockall) like South Georgia and give them liberal supplies of every illegal drug imagineable. Eventually they will kill themselves off, and thus solving the problem.

2

zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 04:22:33
McKeganey is absurdly uneducated about how methadone works and the biochemistry of addiction, and is passing on his inexcusable lack of basic knowledge to the public, many of whom have no concept of medication assisted treatment and take his word at face value and for this be should be ashamed.

Most experts in addiction know that many opiate addicts with long term habits experience changes in the brain chemistry--specifically with the endorphins, the brain's natural opiates. Long term opioid use suppresses the manufacture of these natural chemicals, and when the person ceases using opiates, they go through an acute withdrawal, followed by a period in which they feel deeply depressed, are unable to experience happiness or pleasure, feel anxious, exhausted, and are consumed with cravings. This period may last weeks, months, even a year or more--or, in some long term addicts, it may be permanent. For these last individuals, methadone may well need to be continued for life, in order to normalize the brain chemistry and enable the person to function in a more normal fashion. The patient is not high, they simply feel normal and are able to work and to enjoy their lives. Unfortunately, standard antidepressant drugs are not very effective against depression brough about by a lack of endorphins, as they do not target this particular chemical--endorphins are natural opiates--they are the reason we have opiate receptors--and supplementing a system that no longer produces natural opiates with a synthetic opioid is similar to insulin treatment for a diabetic whose pancreas no longer produces insulin. While it may be true that the patient may not die as a direct result of being denied this treatment, we do not treat people only for diseases and disorders that will kill them, but also for those that affect quality of life. Being unable to experience happiness or pleasure, being severely depressed with no end in sight, etc etc, can certainly lead almost inexorably to relapse a
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 04:27:25
The study this action is based on assumes that anyone still on methadone after 3 years is a failure in MMT, even if they are free of all other drugs and are doing extremely well. It makes no more sense than to say that any diabetic still on insulin after 3 years is a failure and should be forced off the drug that saved them. Methadone treats a chronic condition--it is not a cure--nor was it ever intended, contrary to popular belief, as a short term adjunct to aid heroin withdrawals and then to be ceased. Certainly not all patients need it long term, but some do, and to give the government the power to legislate medical care and how long it may be continued is insane.
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Sonico,

Aberdeen, Scotland 26/05/2008 04:45:16
I have been on methadone now for about 1 year with success. Its has kept me clean, sober and away from harms way in relation to the illegal drug scene in Scotland. When I was addicted to heroin my life was a nightmare for me and others around me. My family could not trust me as all I asked for was money to feed my addiction and socially I brought heroin and crack into my area as a way of feeding my habit that I could not control. Dealers used my flat like a hotel and users came and went as if it was there own, it was a living hell.

Since I started on methadone a year ago I have regained the trust of my family, now have contact with my daughter and feel and look healthy. Not only that I have no contact with dealers or users and am free from the Scottish Drug Scene. The area I live in again is safe from users and dealers and I am doing my best to put my energies back into society as a online picture/profile moderator on a voluntary basis. Its by no means ideal yet, but its a dam good start and it all comes down to my methadone that keeps me clean and sober. Take that away and you take my life away.
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MAMAorg,

USA 26/05/2008 06:27:37
Inresponse to ZENITH comments, who happens to be a long term Methadone user here in the USA and has been on this drug for many years. These are comments from a biased person who will say or do what ever it takes to stop the unveiling of Methadones misuse as a crutch to assist those with addiction. In the USA Methadone has become a financial gold mine for investers. Clinics are setting up all over this country, even in small little communities and our laws protect them. Here they are keeping patrons of these clinics on this highly addictive drug for many years, some for a life time and call it therapy.Instead of people addicted to heroin and prescription narcotics they now live addicted to Methadone and get it legally and in some cases our tax dollars pay for this practice. The fact is whether some care to believe it or not is Methadone is only a substitute for a narcotic craving, it does not cure addiction, period. Of course people are going to be content and put up a fuss when anything appears to take their new drug of choice away. Methadone should only be used for short term detoxification from heroin users only, NOT for years of continued use as that becomes abuse of what it was intended for. Methadone is highly addictive and harder to detoxify from then heroin due to its long term stay in a persons system. Maybe America should look at the path that your country is taking. Even a person who has been an IV drug user for years can and do become DRUG FREE citizens, but they also have to want it and work at it. Methadone is an easy street to mask their addiction and has become socially acceptable.

Mothers Against Medical Abuse. Org
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MAMAorg,

USA 26/05/2008 06:46:29
It is ludicrous to hear someone compare a highly addictive narcotic and their excuse for using it as to a person needing insulin or cancer as this is often a tactic used by pro-methadone users. Again, some are obsessed with saving this drug and keeping it on the level it has become, an addicts dream come true. It is not proper to mislead the public for personal gain. Some here in the USA fear that we may follow suit if your country and others take action to stop this practice. Methadone in the USA is the number one killer of a prescription narcotic and these deaths come from clinics, pain management and the diversion from both sources. It is now a very popular drug on our streets and thousands are dying yearly. More people in the USA are dying from Methadone then heroin. Yet some people do not tell the whole story when ranting their praises. Addicts will say and do almost anything to satisfy their addiction, that same sentiment holds true when they have traded in their old drug for their new legal drug. Please do not be mislead by false statements or ridiculous comparisons, it is only an excuse to keep using. Methadone kills and something needs to stop or slow this practice for addiction treatment in all countries.

Mothers Against Medical Abuse. Org
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Sonico,

Scotland 26/05/2008 07:00:45
In response to MAMA.Org I am a lot happier with the thought that Methadone Clinics are cropping up all over the place as opposed to dealers and there drugs. Also Zenith is not saying that everyone needs to be on methadone for the rest of there life, just a minority that can not cope with the reality of life without it, unfortunately and is due to chemical imbalances in the brain, it does happen! And say you are right about it only being a substitute for a narcotic craving, have you ever craved or rattled for heroin it is not a bonnie sight I can tell you that much, and I know I would rather have my green liquid and a life that is fulfilled with happiness than one of doom and gloom and thats only chasing the drug. Not only this, but if I wanted advice on heroin abuse I think I will take it from my Consultant Psychiatrist with his degree in Medicine and years of experience with narcotics to justify my methadone prescription rather than, my mum?!
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MethadoneSupportMama,

AZ, USA 26/05/2008 07:29:20
You want to turn this into something personal, "Mama"? First of all, Zenith is not a "long term USER" of methadone....she is a PATIENT....and as such she is TRYING to explain how this medication has changed her life. "Biased" you say???? How can someone's life be biased? HOWEVER, you DO have an agenda and are indeed biased. You consistantly comment on these articles, portray yourself as an expert and then post exaggerations, untruths and the like....ad nauseam.

I AM a type one diabetic and I depend on my insulin to sustain life. I take my methadone each day at the same time as I inject my insulin....and for the same reason....TO LIVE. Methadone SAVES lives...for those of us in chronic pain and those on MMT. Many of us didn't have lives worth living w/o this medication and who are you to say this is not true?

Anyone wanting support and/or info on Medication Assisted Treatment and Methadone, stop by our website! ...Carol

http://www.MethadoneSupport.org
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ddmc,

26/05/2008 08:13:01
'jungle juice' keeps the majority of jakies indoors & off the streets. So it does have it's benefits.

Prohibition has never worked anywhere, even singapore & asia which has the strongest anti-drug laws (death penalty) still has addicts, smugglers, drug lords & barons.

What about giving the jakies meth or even smack in return for agreeing to be sterilised,. I don't care about them killing themselves but i do object to them bringing kids into this world, they cant look after themselves let alone a child & the bill is picked up by us, the unfortunate children & family members who end up having to become carersa as a result.

Legalise & regulate, I'm quite shocked as I thought the capitalists would have done this already, think of the untapped tax potential, fags bring in £6 billion a year or thereabouts, what do you think smack & weed would bring in alone. Another big benefit would be the loss in profits for the 200+ major drug dealers estimated to operate in Scotland (SDEA statistics).
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MAMAorg,

USA 26/05/2008 08:20:26
First, I have been a medical professional for twenty years, I am also insulin dependant, have a son who battles addiction. Yes, I have a biased agenda to untwist the consistent comments that you guys attempt to sell to the public. I am sorry but calling one self a CMA, Certified Methadone Advocate is not impressive. Nor does being a Methadone user make one an expert in the reality of what is happening in this country. Excuse me if I am wrong but I have a copy of a post where Zenith admits she has been on Methadone for years. All I can say is hold on for the ride because society is waking up as the crimes, abuse and deaths keep rising. Most of my work is being done for me with little convincing, it is all only a matter of time and your rhetoric will no longer be listened to as in the past. I send cheers to the Scottish government as they are attempting to put a stop to the abuse from methadone use as a substitute. It is being misused as a replacement which only feeds the addiction. What I post are the real facts and to deny otherwise is only another form of the propaganda pro-methadone adovcates
relish in. Personal? Is that a threat? Sad, very sad. I wish you and your group would encourage others to live a real drug free life which is possible. But, instead you only encourage and make excuses for your wonder drug that makes every body happy and blah, blah blah. Myself and others have a lot of documentation to show otherwise, even former longterm methadone users tell a different story then what you all tell. So Carol, would I be correct in saying that you are also a methadone user? Sorry if the truth angers you in such a way you feel to make this PERSONAL, maybe you should address this in a counseling session, just a suggestion. You may want to update some of the old theories of this drug that may have been supported by the drug companies who had a personal agenda without telling the whole truth of such a lethal drug. I know you guys see the same articles I do, yet y
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MAMAorg,

USA 26/05/2008 08:22:27
I know you guys see the same articles I do, yet you want to say I tell lies. Also, I would like to add that I have been a pain management patient for some years now, so please spare me that Methadone is the only real source of relief. Spreading a false sense of safety to the public and encouraging long term legal drug use is pathetic and far from being professional. Saving lives means preventing deaths, innocent lives lost from not knowing the deadly qualities of this drug, not your version.

Mothers Against Medical Abuse. Org
12

hibbyspurs,

26/05/2008 08:53:09
Well I'm not a doctor, medical proffesional, reformed addict, current addict or anything like that but this is an issue that really winds me up at times.

I'm not against rehabilitation of addicts and would encourage anyone who wants to come off heroin and become a useful member of society again to do so as lets face it when people are addicts they are nothing short of a scourge on our communities, they beg, steal, live off the state, have neighbours living in fear of whos coming along their street.

However my problem with the long term prescription of methadone or other drugs for addiction that are supplied free on the NHS is that it is unfair on anyone else who has to obtain repeat prescriptions and pay for them (yes the charge has dropped with a view to scrapping it in Scotland). I suffer from a skin disorder and frequently have to go to the doctor to have different medications prescribed to control it as there is no cure. Sometimes this can be as many s 6 different 'scripts from creams & mosturiers to antibiotics to control infection.

I have to pay for these prescription for an afflicition I didnt ask for and have no control over. Yet every time I take my prescription (and wallet) to the chemist I am confronted by these addicts queing up for their free daily dose. Is this fair? No of course it isnt. I have to pay for what I didnt ask for yet these people who CHOSE to polloute their bloodstreams with this muck get panderd to by health proffessionals and treated for nothing (some dont even want treated & just see methadone as a stop over until they can afford the real thing)...

Not against people genuinely wanting rehab but just pointing out why ordinary people see this treatment as a joke while the rest of us pay through the noses to support it.
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Sonico,

Scotland 26/05/2008 09:29:07
Yes I am no expert in the sense that neither are you MAMA, in the reality of what is going on in Scotland. I have hands on experience in a psyche hospital plus lived in one for 2 year none the less not being a qualification, have studied with Grade 'A' Psychology, Sociology and Politics @ Degree level. For someone with 23 years of experience as a 'professional' you argument is weak if non existent and is on the boundaries of paranoia stating you have a agenda to untwist the comments we sell to the public? And when did anyone call them self a expert???

I am just trying to get a good and valid point across in a democracy where freedom of speech is paramount and no one is selling anything. In fact as a minority I am impressed we can make such an impression, that is basically, Methadone Saved my Life! If it was not for this devilish opiate methadone that seems to found its way onto your shoulder, not only me but the masses you talk about would all be in jail or 6 ft under!





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eric,

26/05/2008 09:35:03
My yonger brother has been on methadone for 13yrs he says its more addictive,he doesnt do crime anymore and it has given him time to Spend with his daughter.our own mother was promised a home care package as she was dying of cancer,it never arrived and we had 10wks of hell .Had to buy all the stuff promised ourselves,she worked all her life,Junkies get too much support after all it is self inflicted.
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yolanda,

26/05/2008 09:48:44


I think there should be some middle ground here. The function of opiate treatment agencies should be to deal with the individual in the appropriate manner for their circumstances. There SHOULD be more of a focus on abstinence, because at the moment, in my opinion, harm reduction and methadone programmes have their place, but they shouldn't be the first consideration.

Services are guilty in many cases of feeding the addicts view that they are trapped in the addiction instead of making a real attempt to work with them to try to become abstinent. It's sometimes just laziness.
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 14:14:35
I have been on methadone for 4 years this October. Prior to that, I spent twenty years addicted to prescription opiates, with a brief period on heroin as well (6 months). I was a registered nurse, but stopped practicing long ago due to my addiction. I have also been trained and completed practicum as a checical dependency counselor.
During my addiction, I went to 13 different abstinence based rehabs. I wanted so badly to stop using as it was utterly destroying my life and I did everything I was told and more. I went to thousands of 12 step meetings, had sponsors, worked all the steps, went to counseling sessions, psychiatrists, therapists galore. I was even arrested for forging a prescription and spent time in jail and prison--truly the worst experience of my life. After than experience I managed to stay clean for almost 4 years. During those years I was deeply deeply depressed, unable to enjoy anything, utterly miserable, despite attempts at treatment with antidepressants and therapy. (continued)
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 14:20:57
Ultimately, I relapsed again, quite simply unable to bear feeling the way I did for a moment longer. I remembered a lady from the local MMT clinic who had spoken to us at our counselor training school, and I thought that I would give it a try since I had tried quite literally everything else numerous times without any success.
Since that day almost 4 years ago, I have not used any illicit drugs or alcohol. I now hold down a full time white collar job and have been employed there for 2 years and was employed at another job in the preceeding year and a half. I have always paid all my own treatment fees ($260 a month) in full, myself. I am responsible, pay all my bills, on time, am a functioning member of society, and my family is thrilled with the changes in me. I set about trying to learn why this had made such a difference in my life when nothing else had, and I learned what I wrote about in my earlier posts regarding the endorphin system. As I said, many people do not need lifelong treatment--but there are those who DO, and it should be an individual decision between the doctor and patient as to how long a given person needs medication, based on how they are doing and their using history. (continued)
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 14:27:29
Forcing people off medication will have one affect only. Relapse rates for those leaving MMT approach 90%. Is it truly ethical to push someone who is doing well on MMT and has straightened out their life to stop that treatment when there is a 90% chance of relapse if they do? There are certain diabetics who could potentially be off insulin--certain blood pressure patients who, if they lost weight, could stop taking B/P meds, etc. Should they be cut off after 2 years' time to "see" how they will do, and if they should die, oh well? Opioid addiction kills. Those who relapse have a huge chance of dying, being locked up, losing jobs, families, etc--and we should push them towards this if they are doing well in treatment?

I believe abstinence based treatment works for a certain percentage of people and should be offered to all--but if it fails, time and again, there needs to be other alternatives available. Buprenorphine os one such alternative but it works mostly for those with lighter addictions due to it's ceiling effect. We need a variety of treatments available to meet the needs of all, and individualized treatment based on individual need and individual response.
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maiasz,

new york 26/05/2008 14:28:33
Mama, you are ill-informed about methadone. The U.S. Institute on Medicine-- the National Academy of Sciences group charged by Congress with addressing medical controversies-- says that methadone is the best treatment we currently have for opioid addiction. Search those terms if you don't believe me.

Why? Because it reduces drug use and *saves lives*. When London decided to do a similar experiment to the one the so-called expert here ill-advisedly proposes in the 1980's, there was an interesting result. A slightly higher percentage of people got clean-- but a much larger number DIED.

That's why the world's top addiction experts all support methadone-- including hardline drug warriors like former U.S. drug czar Barry McCaffrey.

Addiction and physical dependence are not the same thing-- addiction is compulsive use of a substance despite negative consequences, physical dependence is needing something to function. You seem to believe that all methadone patients are "high" and yet any pharmacologist can tell you that if you give someone a regular stable daily dose of an opioid for years on end, the high disappears within a few weeks due to tolerance.

Methadone patients are physically dependent-- but they are not "high." They are not necessarily "addicts."

Methadone clinics look bad because unlike abstinence programs, they retain the "failures" as well as the successes. So, the people you see hanging around are likely using other drugs on top-- less than before so harm is reduced, but they are still addicted. The ones you *don't* see, who won't talk to you because you see them as scum for being on methadone, are the functional, non-using ones.

And proportionately, methadone produces more of these than abstinence. But in abstinence programs, the "failures" drop out, so it looks to the person who doesn't know about sample selection like the results are better.
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Shaken,

26/05/2008 14:29:09
Legalise drugs and tax them. Easier then to:

Control strength and purity of drugs
Make drug dealers a thing of the past
Eliminate dependency and empower individuals
Realise a fiancial return
Obtain realistic stats about drug use and the effects
Reduce organised crime and gang culture.

If we carry on the way we are we'll have the same situation as the US with pockets of degredation and rampant gang crime in all the major cities. Think proactively about legalising drugs. remeber it won't make them any more available and at least 14 year ols won't be able to buy it.......THINK
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zenith,

26/05/2008 14:33:15
And to MAMA--sure, I have an "agenda", just as you do. My "agenda" is to let other people know a bit more about the treatment that saved my life. My life may be of no value to you, but it is of great value to MY family, MY friends and MY coworkers. I get no pay for the work I do in advocacy--in fact, I get a huge amount of grief and stress. Yet I feel it is important that we, too, have a voice. So many MMT patients fear speaking out because the quite rightly fear the stigma and prejudice against a treatment that few understand. That is why I do what I do. I do not wish to have my treatment taken away, and not for the spurious reasons you suggest. It most assuredly does not make me "high"--I take no other drugs with it and am fully tolerant to it's effects as are the majority of pateints. If I wanted to get high again, I would quit methadone and trot right back out and start doing short acting opiates again--but that is not, and never was my goal. I simply wanted to feel normal--not high, not bone crushingly depressed--normal. And now, I do. (continued)
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W Smith,

Middle East 26/05/2008 14:35:09
I have to disagree with those who say methadone can keep the user 'sober'.

Its a total contradiction and sounds a wee bit like the cure for a hangover that involves 'the hair of the dog'.

If you want to stay 'sober' drink water.

My missus used to work with drug addicts and I got to know many of the poor souls but GIVE ME A FRIGGIGN BREAK!

Methadone=sobriety sounds like a windup.

Here's the way I see it folks:

Methadone user = airhead who doesn't know what day it is and even the drug addicts' kids know that dad isn't the full shilling.

Just ask the staff who work in the local pharmacy and who have to deal with these spotty, undernourished, glaekit, dead man walking types.
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 14:43:05
I want to say, also, that the increase in deaths from the USA has been shown unequivocally to be mostly from pain mgmt and the recent increase in it's use thereof, NOT from clinic patients. I am not saying that clinic patients never on-sell their takehome meds--onbviously it does happen, mostly to those who cannot or will not get into a program but who do have a large tolerance to opiates--but not always. However, the word is now getting out to people that this is NOT a drug to play around with--MAMA is definitely right about that--due to it's long half life and ability to build up in the tissues it must be carefully titrated and carefully stored, (all meds should be carefully stored, especially in homes with children) and the word should be passed on by doctors who prescribe it, pharmacists who dispense it, clinics, and even by street outreach workers that this medication is NOT one to "party" with. Nevertheless, it has shown unique value in helping people recover from addiction and in treating pain as well, and accusing everyone who has been helped by it of having horrible selfish motives because they would like to be able to continue their treatment is unfair. As someone who takes their meds exactly as prescribed, stores them safely, does not take any other drugs, and has returned to a responsible life and pays for her own treatment, I feel I do have a right to speak out on behalf of the treatment that allowed me to get to this point when nothing else did, despite my best efforts.
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Sonico,

Scotland 26/05/2008 14:47:11
W Smith, you are a class example of the uneducated. For a start I am athletic, good looking, well fed and well dressed kinda guy. Not only that I have a handful of qualifications including HNC and in the middle of a MA Degree in Social Science with great success plus have worked as a Architect Technician and Graphic Designer and plan to one day work as a Psychotherapist with other airhead types who know what time of the day it happens to be! Not only that I was just chatting away to my local pharmacy staff about this article and they have no knowledge as does my doctor of methadone being axed, but we did talk about parenthood and the chances of me working again. This is what sociologists call a 'moral panic' where someone somewhere stirs it up, letters get written to the press as is happening now, and laws get changed eventually. I am just glad I know when someone is pulling my strings!
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 14:51:07
W Smith, I assure you, I am not "spotty", certainly not "undernourished" and in no way a "dead man walking". Perhaps the folks you work with were continuing to use other drugs, due to the UK policy of underdosing patients and this is what you witnessed. I assure you as well that no one who looked drugged up would ever be hired at my job, under any circumstances. I believe the "culture" of methadone patients may be different in the UK, possibly due to the low dosing and also the fact that no one pays for their treatment. We all tend to value that which we pay for more than that which we do not. However, one of the primary reasons methadone is used is because it is very slow to cross the blood/brain barrier and provides no "rush" and only an inferior "high" and then only to those not tolerant of the medication. Many people who try to use it for that purpose end up taking more and more seeking the high that most opiates give, only to end up falling asleep and dying instead. It can cause sedation in a new user, certainly, but properly dosed patients who are not using other drugs do not behave as you describe. Think about it, if methadone was so great, when people stop taking methadone and relapse, almost never do you hear that they relapsed on methadone--no, they relapse on heroin or another opiate.
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 14:54:26
By the way, Mr. Smith, I am no "airhead". I have a college degree, a 151 IQ, and by the way, today is Monday, Memorial Day (in the USA), May 26th.
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 16:01:02
http://www.mssm.edu/msjournal/68/PAGE62_74.pdf
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MAMAorg,

USA 26/05/2008 17:50:58
Again, the denial of facts from the rising death toll is another form to redirect the cause to protect the user's source. They do die from attending clinics and deverted Methadone from these clinics. People in this country are stealing, illegally selling Methadone. You try to make out that Methadone is such a clean narcotic yet has grown in such popularity on the streets which never happens unless people desire it's effects. While on Methadone for addiction, you are still an active addict. You are not drug free, sober or leading a clean life. It does not take a degree or high IQ to deny the facts here. Take away the daily methadone dose and watch what happens, the worst withdrawals any addict has ever experienced in their addicted lifetime. This article is about a country that is not denying someone to receive help but believes there is a stopping point for this crutch that is abused by those who have no desire to ever stop consuming drugs. Many people are NOT tolerant of their dosages and DO show a drug induced stupor. As with any consumption of a narcotic tolerance is accomplished after continued use.
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MAMAorg,

USA 26/05/2008 17:59:18
Continued, These clinics increase the dosages that in some cases lead to a few hundred MG a day, extremely large dose of a highly addictive narcotic. There are many people in this and other countries that need medical attention and medication as one person posted earlier. Yet, addicts sit back and can receive unlimited legal drug dosing at taxpayers expense. May I suggest to anyone that is interested to follow the Google and Yahoo news alerts with Methadone as a topic and just see the trauma this drug in doing to so many. This inlcudes babies, children, teens and adults of all ages. I am contacted by hundreds of families that have lost someone to this drug and they come from every form possible. Again, methadone users will say what ever it takes to protect there new drug of choice.

Mothers Against Medical Abuse. Org
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MAMAorg,

USA 26/05/2008 18:07:55
To ZENITH, every life has value, even yours. To minimize the lives lost to suit your needs shows little respect for the thousands of innocent lives that are forever gone. Their families are devastated and many were not on the verge of drug addicted fallout as you describe your former life as an addict. You are not protected from becoming one of Methadones statistics as death has occurred from patients who have been on this drug for sometime, made no changes in there life and suddenly became toxic and died. So keep that in mind as the drug you cherish as saving your life may just take it after all. Then how will your family feel about Methadone? I say this because their are families who once thought as you describe now only to greive for the rest of there life and ask why they never knew how deadly this drug could be.
May your journey on your drug of choice be safe.

Mothers Against Medical Abuse. Org
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 18:11:44
Clearly you ignore everything that anyone says that does not agree with your personal beliefs, MAMA. I am not going to "engage" with you any more. I have said what I wanted to say, and you have twisted my words, as usual.
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zenith,

USA 26/05/2008 18:22:01
And frankly, if I were to die from methadone, my family would be happy that I got to spend at least a few years with them, happy and functional and doing well, instead of sick, depressed, miserable, using illicit drugs, or in jail. Is that preferable? And again, as I noted before, I pay for my own treatment out of money I make--no one pays for it. Your attempt to insinuate that everyone is "on the dole" is misinformation designed to feed on public misperception, stigma and prejudice, and to call everyone who disagrees with you an addicted liar dying for their wonderful "dope" or a money grubbing executive living off the pain of others is, again, misleading and wrong. I never said there was no diversion comeing from clinics or that there are no side effects to the medication, or that everyone should be on it or stay on it--it is you who makes sweeping generalizations.
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sam the god,

26/05/2008 19:42:25
7.62 end of story
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 20:36:41
A; governments 'need' the drugs 'problem' it creates thousands of jobs and gives them political gain when they bust someone and very little bad press if the problem merely persists - drugs are kind of win, win for politicians. They can talk tough and do naff all and still 'look good' - or they can fiddle stats to reduce the problem !

B; At risk of repeating the first point in a way ... if the government ever REALLY wanted to put an end to the drugs problem they could but they choose not to. It is as simple as Weedkiller Spray + Alfganistan + Columbia + SBS + SAS. We have satellites that can detect these crops and their locations from space all that is required is to cross check a database - if the crop is registered and legitimate
then let it grow if not spray it, under Apache Helicopter guard if needs be.

Thirdly they know methadone does not work but they do not want it to 'work' - see a/b ... + plenty of jobs for 'social carers' etc ...

Fourthly they could legalise it, but it is too valuable to them as an 'illegal' substance - see a,b,c. Legalising drugs gives one less thing for them to 'fight' and that wouldn't look good would it ?!
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 20:39:45
33 - exactly - However my choice would be Barrett 82A1/M107 .50 .... savvy sammy.
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MethadoneSupportMama,

26/05/2008 22:57:54
Mama, Mama, Mama, threatening and bullying aren't hardly my style. I think you know that and for sure your associates do. When I referred to "getting personal"...I was talking about your post to Zenith. She consistantly comes to comment ...NEVER argues....just TRIES to explain a little about methadone, addiction, etc., yet you are nasty as can be to her. Honestly, my 12 year old daughter is more mature.

I am NOT a Certfied Methadone Advocate (CMA). I have, however, worked in the substance abuse and Hepatitis C community for about 15 years. As President of one of the larger HCV non-profit org's...my partner and I traveled all over the country to methadone clinics and taught the clinicians about HCV. It was at this point that I decided to devote all of my time to working in the methadone community. And Nancy....not that it's any of yours or anyone else's business....but I do indeed take methadone and have for many years. I don't know how old you are or how severe your diabetes is...I only hope it's more under control than mine....because I wouldn't wish the pain that I endure on my worst enemy. (cont'd)
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MethadoneSupportMama,

26/05/2008 23:07:02
(cont'd)

Anywhere one can have diabetic neuropathy....I have it. I also have a 12 year old daughter and 2 sick parents that depend on me...and me ALONE....so I do NOT have the luxury of laying in bed when I'm in severe pain. Methadone affords me to live a somewhat "normal" life. Pain....addiction...WHATEVER the reason one takes it....who are YOU to be calling us names? Am I "angry" you ask? do I take it personally? Nancy, I have stayed out of the frey for a very long time....and you know this. It breaks my heart to see the way you speak to people that have opinions that you don't agree with....the way you scoop together everyone into this stereo typical "junkie" persona. (cont'd)
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MethadoneSupportMama,

26/05/2008 23:13:09

(cont'd)

I have devoted my life to helping people, Nancy..and believe me...my pockets are NOT lined with money, lol. I have buried more friends than I care tocount....because they weren't even aware of MMT. Go to the ADVOCACY PAGE at my website...and see a few of the faces of people who's lives were SAVED because of this "evil" drug.


Maybe someday, you'll open your mind the least little bit and try to understand the other side of this issue and be a bit more compassionate?
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 00:17:33
38 - you are like a 'trouser soiling consultant' you never deal with cause only with effect - that keeps you in a job. Non profit making means that you draw a salary for your work and in a direct way you benefit from the problem ... you may very well be a pawn in the game an unaware of your collaboration in the larger arena.

You are sending a heart felt message to all to spend £millions on dealing with the symptoms and never dealing with the ro(o)t of the weed or poppy.

You talk of open minds then please open your own mind to the overwhelming evidence that drugs are a problem who's heart wrenching stories such as yours are 'needed' by governments in order to continue their useless 'war' against drugs. This is all about money of which I doubt you are involved in. Though you are another person 'off the streets' as a 'good' government statistic! I give very generously to charities and NPO's throughout the world but drugs will never get my money because it is a circular and impossible problem until someone has the balls to deal with the suppliers and the cause. It is a waste of time and methadone is not saving lives it is merely prolonging lives that are already lost - it s a form of legalisation that governments can run to because there is no solution (that they are prepared to give) for this problem as long as it illegal.

People die, that is a given, and many folk bury or cremate their friends .. if you are burying them too early then I'd suggest a new peer group or making drugs dealers feel the pressure of the people - the police ain't going to do it!
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zenith,

27/05/2008 01:42:17
MAMA, how dare you imply that I, or any other MMT patient, is taking the "easy way out" and just don't feel like making a "real" effort at getting clean. You have no idea how hard I, and many others, have tried to go the abstinence route. You have no idea what I thought or felt, nor how sincere my efforts were. If you came by my home, you would see bookshelves lined with every single piece of literature that AA and NA ever produced--all extremely well read. I have posted many times about my efforts to get, and remain, clean--do you think I am just making this up? I tried so hard, for so many many years, always clinging to the "promises" that I would soon begin to feel better, if I just worked the steps, prayed, met with my sponsor and did what they suggested, read the literature, attended meetings, and was of service to others. I did all those things, again and again. I went to all types of therapy recommended to me. And I never felt one bit better--ever. I have spoken to and met with many others who have been through the same thing. Although this is changing, most people who come into methadone clinics have a long history of attempts at getting clean behind them. If abstinence based treatment worked for the majority, MMT would have never been developed, for there would have been no need. So please, do not presume to think that because you know some long term addicts who have recovered without methadone (so do I), that this means that EVERYONE can and should have the exact same experience. And do not assume that it is simply a matter of willpower, desire to get clean, or good character, either.
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zenith,

27/05/2008 01:47:24
By the way--you state that methadone was intended as a short term detox aid for heroin addicts and has been "twisted" from it's TRUE purpose by the evil clinics. Here is a direct quote from Dr. Vincent Dole,the Co-Founder of MMT, made in 1968, as MMT was just getting started in the USA, from the biography "A Doctor Among the Addicts":

"It does not strike me as relevant whether these patients ever get off methadone. Some may want to, and that's fine. What IS relevant is that a treatment can be developed so that the addict can become a socially useful citizen, happy in himself and in society. That's much more important than whether he's on or off a medication."
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misswann,

www.MethadoneSupport.org and www.MethadoneAnonymou 27/05/2008 05:18:36
MAMA.org...I have a question to ask you. I am just wondering why you started this anti-methadone website for mothers and loved ones. Did you suffer a tragic loss from methadone? If so, I am very sorry for your loss. I thought I might mention that at the beginning and end of every single MA meeting, we pray for all of the still sick and suffering and all loved ones lost to to the disease of addiction.

Also, you mentioned that you, yourself are on Pain Management. How would you like it if someone from an anti pain management organization came around trying to make your pain management illegal and accused you of abusing it... when in reality it just makes you feel normal and have a better way of life? What is this type of pain management that you are "Dependant Upon" to keep you feeling normal as well? I think it is wonderful that you are pain free and have found a great way of living productively without having to take Methadone. Different things and different medications work for different people. Nobody is the same when it comes to treating addiction or pain.

And, to assume that everyone that is legally prescribed Methadone is selling or abusing their medication is very disturbing. Without Methadone I would be dead. Is that what you and your organization's goal is? Would you like see all of us that are taking methadone die? There are thousands of people world wide that have truly found a way of living pain and addiction free and now, after how many decades...your organization would like to take this away? I truly do not understand.

METHADONE SAVES LIVES!

And yes unfortunately, there are many medications and products, over the counter and prescription, that can be and are abused. Years ago it was airplane glue and just recently Sudafed and cough suppressants. This year it is Methadone. For your sake I hope it is not your type of pain management that is scrutinized and attacked next!

And please, be polite, Carol, Zenith, and Sonico, are wonderful, car
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misswann,

www.MethadoneSupport.org 27/05/2008 05:21:00
(continued) And please, be polite, Carol, Zenith, and Sonico, are wonderful, caring people, that go out of their way every day to help those with the disease of addition.

I am very concerned with your harsh accusations aimed at MAT patients.
Melissa

Please check out www.MethadoneSupport.org
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Socrates for Methadone,

Seattle 27/05/2008 07:54:27
People can provide all the stats they want or articles they have. I am for Methadone for many reasons but to the lay people I will try to explain it in such a way that you will understand it without any sorta confusion.

When I found herion it was like injecting heaven into my soul. It created such a feeling that it blinded me from seeing life as anything other than those injections of heaven. Every few hours, I HAD TO HAVE IT. All my 24 hours were devoted to the short acting heaven. Nothing matter and nothing would matter until i could get into that space.

I got to such a point that I would muscle the herion in my ass. I was creating huge amounts of debt day by day. Finally, I went to a Methadone clinic, and it gave me my 24 hours back. One to catch my breath both financially and mentally. I never lost my job thanks to the clinic freeing up my focus. And I was no longer exposed to criminal elements. I eventually was able to get off Methadone but I support it 200% and I would not put a time limit on it for anyone.

If you want to take a stance on Methadone and come down on it... go speak to the junkies about how their life is. Methadone is not a solution that brings it all back to normal what it does is that creates a stable environment for a person that is near death and if not near death, a spiritual death of nightmare proportions. I often liken it to the Nicotine patch for Smokers. It is mitigating greater health risks.

There are family members that see there are great risks with Methadone, but the horror of a member on herion is far worse.

If you truly love an addict, help stop the suffering. If you are a believe that his or her therapy for methadone should be short lived. Measure the difference between the now (functional life on methadone) and the was (strung out drug addict) against the risks (strung out again or dead).

You will find that Methadone patients are not well represented but take this few voices and remember that we
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Sonico,

Scotland 27/05/2008 08:18:59
And I kinda guess that is what it is about Socrates, I was chasing heroin several times a day just so I could get some sleep or chill, even chasing though does not give the same high is just as addictive be warned. But I was loosing everything fast. I would spend 4/5 day out me head on junk and the other 2/3 day rattling for more due to my finances being eaten away. I was not aloud to talk or see my daughter and quiet right too, and my family where loosing the time for me. I was starting to look and sound unwell to be nice about it and everything was falling apart, depts running up banks writing me aggressive letter for money they where never going to see and so on, it is the abyss, it is hell, it is worse than you could ever imagine being hooked on heroin.

And I was about to starting using needles as it made financial sense to do so as my habit was becoming impossible to cope with just smoking it, its cheaper to get a fix by using pins than foil. This was to my dismay as have you seen a heroin injectors body after years of abuse, its not something you aim for now is it?

So, I approached the Drug Services where I live and after a lot of appointments and trying to go Cold Turkey, the longest I could cope with out heroin was about 7 days and those 7 days are the worst you could imagine the sensations you feel are torture, time stands still and you feel as if your insides are being ripped out of you!

And it was a risk putting me on methadone as there was the real chance it would not work and i was to end up with a double addiction but did it matter as i was going to become a government heroin fatality statistic anyway, so we tried me on methadone with the following results.

I started to look and feel better. I not have contact with my daughter she knows nothing of my habit, I spend time with my family, my depts are on control, I have no contact with other users or dealers after a lot of work to keep these people, and trust me they are just people, as far
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Sonico,

27/05/2008 08:19:58
just people, as far from my life as possible. And though i am a government statistic I am one that is alive to tell the story of class A drugs.

METHADONE SAVED MY LIVE!!!
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liloleme's Mama,

usa 27/05/2008 08:40:48
It is so disheartening to see such anger & hostility regarding a population of people that are truly suffering. MAMA I am surprised to see such a lack of compassion for those who evidently suffer the same disease as your son. You mentioned he suffers from addiction. As a fellow mother of an addicted child I am wondering, would you rather lose him to addiction than have MMT save his life? I am assuming he has not been successful with recovery because you said he battles with addiction. If he could be saved by Methadone treatment would it not be worth a try? To my family it was not a choice. Our daughter was undoubtedly going to die without help. We had tried everything else. We had nothing to lose. According to these groups Methadone might have killed her. Luckily it did not. It saved her. As awful as this sounds it was worth the risk that you say exists because the alternative was certain death. I watched my once vibrant, happy, intelligent, little girl being pulled into a dark hole that we could not pull her out of. We went to every rehab center in our area for help but nothing worked. We tried tough love and put her out of the house. Finally, she asked for one last chance. The only thing left was the Methadone clinic. Within one week she was our daughter again. She was not high (I had seen her high & this wasn't it). She was her old self. I see so many stories from mothers blaming this medication for the loss of their child. I felt it was time a mother spoke out from the other side. Would it be better that my baby be dead? Better that she didn't take any narcotics? Right? Of course but thats not an option for her. We tried that. Several times. It did not work for her. I wish I could control my pain from a hip replacement without narcotics. Some can. I can't. We are not all wired the same. What works for one doesn't always work for all. Some can control their diabetes with diet but others need insulin. I know that analogy isn't well liked so I used the narcotic com
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happy english,

London 27/05/2008 11:18:29
I am all for it,the English will not have to pay out as much to the Scottish, as we all know that the Scots have huge problems with Drugs that is why there NHS budget is so huge along with the drink as well. Yes England has problems but not as bad as you lot. INDEPENDENCE for Scotland YES PLEASE.
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Swannie,

Pittsburgh PA 27/05/2008 12:45:32
I have replied to many of these articles. Momma . org is a woman blinded from the truth from grief. I never see her write anything positive about methadone. It's always very negative and usually so far from the truth that it makes me mad and sad to read what she has to say!
I find it very weird that she talks about being in pain management but tears others apart for the same thing. As was written before "how would she react if someone took her treatment away"???
Zenith is so well educated about methadone that I feel embarrised for her for even responding to the nonsense that momma.org writes. If you go to their main site it is very sad and it makes you understand what they are doing. Blaming a drug for the loss of their loved ones.
Methadone has saved my life and my family is thankfull that I am able to take this medicine that has given me back my life!!!
Telling people that they can only be on methadone for 2 years is as wrong as telling a person who has high blood pressure that after 2 yrs they can't have any more blood pressure medicine. There is no set time limit on how long a person needs this medicine. They need it untill they don't need it and they are the ones to make that decission.
Instead of dwelling on the ones who abused this life saving drug lets talk about the many many lives it has saved.
Again this is a powerful drug that should only be taken if absolutly needed. It is not a party drug and it should not be mixed with other drugs unless your dr. prescibes them. Most of all DONOT take other peoples medicine.
I like Zenith have not touched any drugs since starting methadone. I am sick and tired of hearing such negativity about this drug. Please stop it!!!
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labrat,

usa 27/05/2008 14:04:28
All you have to do is read MAMA's words to realize what her true intention is....she wants justice for a loved ones death...and she thinks that banning the use of methadone will give her that justice.

She says she is trying to save "lives" and then condescends, patronizes, demonizes and demeans those people she is SUPPOSIBLY trying to save? You can't say your trying to save a group of people and then show BLATANTLY how little use you have for that group of people--how little compassion you have for their plight in life! Most importantly, you can't claim to want to save the lives of a particular group of people, and then turn a DEAF ear to them when they tell you what you need to do TO save their lives.

Opiate addicts in MMT aren't dying. The majority are living better lives, enjoying better health, familial relationships and finances because of treatment. Opiate addicts still using on the street are the ones overdosing, getting HIV and HEPC and being sent to prison. Look at the two groups of people with the same disease and it will not be hard to see what you need to do to help them LIVE. Yet your whole goal is to make it as hard as possible for them to GET THAT TREATMENT.

You may get the justice your seeking, but don't profess to be doing it for "us".
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labrat,

27/05/2008 14:08:31
SHAKEN--I would love to have a conversation with you someday. Maybe after a few hours I will let you in on my methadone patient status. Then we can debate who is the airhead and who is not.
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Bravo9,

OH, USA 27/05/2008 16:44:32
Mama, first of all I am sorry about your son. I really wish that oneday you will be able to take a step back and realize the good that methadone does for people. It seems that you think people get their methadone for the day and that is it. That is so not true. Methadone on its does not work for the majority of people. That is why I attend at least two meetings on-line a week and 2 meetings a week in my local area. Methadone Does Save Lives if taken as prescribed by a doctor. Methadone, support meetings, family Support and education saved my life, as it has for many others.
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Bravo9,

OH, USA 27/05/2008 16:49:38
One other thing Mama, I started in pain Managment due to a bad back and a less than adequate surgery. This is how my addiction started. Not that I think you are there by any means. I am just saying that I started in the same place you are at. I guess what I am trying to show is that it can be that easy. I have been on pain medication for over two years. The methadone community is larger than you may think and from many different backgrounds.
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Peter O'Loughlin,

Beckenham 27/05/2008 19:18:08
it is apparent that the pro drug lobby have congregated to oppose any suggestions which might lead to recovery, rather than ongoing drug dependency,disguised as 'treatment'. Whether or not their stance is motivated by ideological views, or vested interests remains unclear.

What is clear from the available evidence is that methadone retains people in 'treatment' longer, whilst delaying their entry into recovery. It is also a fact that the vast majority of those on methadone continue to abuse other drugs.

Those on long term methadone treatment have swapped one addiction for another, and have dne so in preference to drug free recovery.

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zenith,

27/05/2008 19:52:57
Mr O'Loughlin, it is apparent that you did not read anything anyone wrote. I don't know about the stats in your contry--again, there may be many people still abusing drugs due to the underdosing practices there--but in the USA it is NOT true that the "vast majority are still abusing drugs". Even for those who do, their harm is reduced. And as for your remarks about opposing any suggestions which might lead to recovery, etc, I think everyone has stated that they are all for abstinence based recovery as the best option, for those who do not have permanent brain chemistry disorders. However,to imply that we simply prefer wallowing in a jobless welfare state, getting "high" (what a laugh that is) on methadone, to abstinence based recovery, when so many of us have spent quite literally DECADES attempting to recover that way, is really wrong. It amazes me just how often that fact is completely ignored, and the assumption made that we all made straight for the clinic when we found we had a drug addiction, without ever attempting abstinence, is ludicrous. I would so much prefer NOT to need medication and have to suffer through all this judgment, stigma, hatred, prejudice, financial issues from the high cost of my treatment, worries, etc. I ost assuredly do not get "high" on it, and I have been through withdrawals many times--that is not my fear, I simply know that I can no longer live in the misery I feel when abstinent, and that no matter how long I may wait, never goes away.
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zenith,

27/05/2008 20:01:21
I too have a right to a decent life, and on MMT I have made that kind of life for myself. Why you would be opposed to a treatment that took someone who was unemployed and unemployable, with a 20 year drug history, 13 failed attempts at treatment, a drug related criminal record from calling in prescriptions for myself, and turned that life around to where I am now--employed full time, the sole support of a family of 4, with my own home, vastly improved health, a bank account, all my bills paid in full each month, volunteering in various areas, with hope for a future and a delighted family thrilled to have me back--and would call that "trading one drug for another", really baffles me. I certainly could never have done this on hydrocodone, or heroin. I never take more than prescribed, I never use any other drugs or alcohol, and I certainly couldn't say that when I was using.

Also, just to clear it up--neither I nor any of the pro methadone posters here that I know, have ANY sort of commercial interest in methadone, nor are we paid or encouraged to do what we do by anyone. We are simply methadone patients who speak out, so that people who think that all MMT patients are homeless, jobless wrecks who rob old ladies and guzzle drugs in a back alley all day can see that there are many people who are virtually invisible to society whose lives have been restored by proper use of this medication.
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Joycelyn Woods,

New York 28/05/2008 06:03:01
This article is distressing because many myths are stated as fact and it seems that Prof McKeganey may have an agenda in promoting abstinence based treatment.

One of the largest studies done at Rockefeller University was to follow one of the first large groups of patients (about 3000) to leave treatment for a variety of reasons. The vast majority were though to have good prospects after leaving because this was during a period when patients could easily get jobs, training, etc. These were the first group of patients and at the time 70% were working, in school, or homemakers with children under 5 years. It was expected that patients should stay in treatment for about 2 years and get their lives together and then withdraw from methadone. Unfortunately what was discovered was that the vast majority were back in treatment because they had relapsed, in jail and arrested because they had relapsed and dead because they had relapsed. Extraordinary efforts were made to try to find these patients and it was found that addicts were fairly easy to trace through the various systems that they come into contact with i.e. emergency rooms, arrest records, death records and so on.

The result of this study was that the NYC Health Dept and the State DOH along with the city and state drug treatment agencies began to rethink policy and to make treatment open ended and a decision between the doctor and the patient. Recently recovery organizations are beginning to say that anyone with a long-term opiate addiction should always stay in close contact with a treatment agency because relapse rates are so high.

And people do not choose to be addicts. I know of no one who made the decision to be one and the vast majority of opiate addicted persons developed the addiction because of trauma (i.e. rape, childhood abuse, etc.), self medicating for mental health disorders or pain issues. Most people do not like opiates and only about 10% experience some relief that is pleasurabl
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labrat,

28/05/2008 14:39:08
Many people on METHADONE are more IN RECOVERY on methadone than they are OFF it, PETERL.

If a patient is bi-polar I don't consider him "cured" from the illness just because he stops taking his lithium--in fact, many times it causes a relapse back to symptoms of the illness.

Addiction is an illness, we have to start treating it MEDICALLY instead of pretending its all about willpower.
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labrat,

28/05/2008 14:40:37
If they start throwing people off methadone, I PROMISE the death rate from overdose will SOAR. Anyone want to take bets--cause this is a SURE THING.
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Swannie,

28/05/2008 19:17:29
If it was aspirin that your son took, would you be putting all of this effort into trying to take it off of the market???
You reaaly need to wake up and see the truth here. How much better are you going to feel if you get your way and innocent good people who unfortunatly have the disease of addiction start dying??? I know for a fact I would die.
I take this medicine to keep myself alive. I was an addict for way too many years to ever think about not taking my medicine. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WILL POWER. If it did I would not need methadone. It's plain and simple. I am sick and I need a medication to keep me well. Methadone does not get me high. If I wanted that I would not choose to take this drug. I just want to live and be a mother, grand mother and a daughter. Do you think it will make your lose and easier if I or many like me die? Would your loved one want you to do this? I really don't thin