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Obama's pastor attacks US elite for dodging military service



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Published Date: 29 April 2008
IN A defiant public appearance yesterday, Barack Obama's former pastor said that criticism surrounding his fiery sermons is an attack on the black church in the United States and rejected those who have labelled him unpatriotic.
"I served six years in the military," the Reverend Jeremiah Wright said. "Does that make me patriotic? How many years did (vice-president Dick] Cheney serve?"

Rev Wright spoke at the National Press Club in Washington to reporters and a supporti
ve audience of black church leaders beginning a two-day symposium. He said the black church tradition is different and misunderstood by the "dominant culture" in the US.

He said he hopes the controversy "just might mean that the reality of the African-American church will no longer be invisible".

"It is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright – it's an attack on the black church," he said to applause.

Rev Wright said criticism comes from people who only have heard soundbites playing repeatedly on television and have never listened to his entire sermons.

He said members of the congregation at his Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago have fought in the military, including in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"My goddaughter's unit just arrived in Iraq this week while those who call me unpatriotic have used their positions of privilege to avoid military service while sending over 4,000 American boys and girls to die over a lie," he said.

Rev Wright seemed to relish the chance to speak out after weeks of being derided in the press.

He has been Mr Obama's pastor for more than 20 years. The preacher brought Mr Obama to Christianity, and inspired the title of his book The Audacity of Hope. He officiated at his wedding and baptised his daughters.

Rev Wright also told reporters that he prayed privately with the Obama family before Barack announced he was running for president.





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1

Itchy,

29/04/2008 06:55:02
Never mind that your sermons are Marxist and racist and echo the sentiments of Robert Mugabe, preacher.
2

Iain's,

29/04/2008 09:19:04
Seems to me that he is just beating about the Bush. Or should that be bleating about the Bush?
3

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 10:08:55
1

Good point about the military draft dodgers though eh??
4

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29/04/2008 10:11:36
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Kelvino,

New York 29/04/2008 11:22:48
My sense is that most Americans would agree with the sentiments of Rev. Wright, they are simply unable to
stomach the unspun, unvarnished truths regarding how we operate in the world. As a result, not unlike many straight-talkers in history, he is demonized, labelled a "Marxist," (how so?) and otherwise made a scapegoat to our own inability to face our collective American reality. A little honest introspection might be a good thing for America at this juncture, or we can continue along our delusional, empirical path and completely
bankrupt our coffers, as well as our souls.
6

Guga II,

Rockall 29/04/2008 11:25:54
#3 Isn't it just? A wee bit like Bliar and his ilk. None of them ever sent their kids off to fight in an illegal war. Nor can you count Willie, or Jimmy or whatever his name is, with his short stint, well away from the action and well protected by a bodyguard of Gurkhas.
7

Fran,

GA, USA 29/04/2008 13:00:03
A number of our officials have children fighting in Iraq and Afganistan . One that comes to mind is Duncan Hunter who was running for President .
The only people in our country who agree with Mr. Wright are the far lefties .I refuse to dignify this man by calling him a pastor .Ms Picklar has written a pretty picture of a bigoted person who has no business being in a Christian pulpit .I shudder to think how the children in his audience will act in coming years .
Barak Hussein Obama has said Wright is his mentor .When you have a mentor who curses your home country ,is anti semetic ,and tries to set one race against the other ,you are a real loser .
8

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29/04/2008 13:46:33
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Stefan,

NYC 29/04/2008 14:00:14
"It is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright – it's an attack on the black church," he said to applause.

Of course not. How could it be a criticism of him? It must be the whole Black Church! Whatever that means. Isn't a church a church? This guy and his whole generation grew up with a lot of racism that they're now visiting back. They are intelectually un-able to see past color. His arrogance will not allow him to accept criticism, so he falls back on the time honored tradition of calling the race card on any who dare. I believe that my generation (X) is tired of this tosh. Is America perfect or even ideal when it comes to race relations, probably not. But it's a rare country that gives voice to people like Wright, that gives the opportunity for people of color to compete and win in business, politics, etc. There's a long way to go, but his hate only galvanizes bigotry.
10

Stefan,

NYC 29/04/2008 14:01:16
Typo: Intellectually, not intelectually.
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29/04/2008 15:17:12
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 15:19:45
7

The man doesnt appeal to me either he comes across as a bit of a wack job but if yer going to attack him on principle best make sure yer no sitting in a glass house which rules out anybody fae the Republican party having a go.
13

ebbi,

spain 29/04/2008 15:58:29
the man has a point and let him say it.let the world know what a corrupt system they have in usa.
14

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 16:03:52
#7
You know as well as I do that there are very few members of Congress who have sons or daughters in the military. The majority recruited for Iraq and Afghanistan are from lower income families and are dis-proportionately non-white.
15

John Blackley,

Florida 29/04/2008 16:13:13
In the United States it has long been risky to speak truth to power - riskier still if you're suffering from a persecution complex.

The Rev. Wright - like all preachers - says many, many things and some of them are resonant with truth. However, because he's associated with Barack Obama - a presidential candidate who scares the living daylights out of too many Americans - he must be discredited and everything he says discredited with him. Why? So that, as a discredited, wacky, 'Marxist', threat-to-America he can be used to 'Swift boat' Obama should that man win the Democratic nomination.

Lacking his association with Obama, the Rev. Wright would be just another black preacher - unnoticed by the majority of Americans. Given his association with Obama, the Rev. Wright is milking it for all it's worth to pursue his own agenda. Unfortunately, in doing so, he's providing the Republican party with yet another opportunity to bamboozle voters - this time into thinking the election's about his relationship with Obama - just as they did when they convinced so many that the election was about John Kerry's military record.
16

mike - across the pond,

wright is a scumbag 29/04/2008 16:17:07
Citing Dick Cheney as "dodging military service"...

lets look a little bit closer
Dick Cheney was born in 1941...
turned 18 1/2 in 1959...

Cheney got married in August 1964
May 1965 Selective Service classified him 1-A, Married men were exempted though
October 1965 LBJ upped the minimum exemption to Married with children
January 1966 Cheney's status changed to 3-A because his first child was "on the way"
July 1966, Cheney's first child born
January 1967, cheney turned 26 and was no longer eligible for the draft

Once again Mr Wright shows that he is more than a little "loose" with his facts. all in the name of more hysterical rantings...
17

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 29/04/2008 16:34:18
Mike in 16 - you miss the point. Wright served in the marines for 6 years and cheney did not serve.

The attack on Wright is done to demonize some religious views and to harm Obama. Mrs. Clinton & Mr. McCain each have religious affiliations that could be demonized & ridiculed as well if the media were of a mind to do it.
18

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 19:25:55
16

What a crock married men were not exempt service in Vietnam. And how come he missed out on serving in Korea?? His military exemption came from being wealthy and influential enough to avoid conscription. How many senators and congressmen and women have sons and daughters serving in either Iraq or Afganistan??
19

mike - across the pond,

wally 29/04/2008 19:40:09
ok wally...

nope wally I'm afraid YOU missed it...
Wright enlisted in the marines in 1961... transferred to the navy in 1963 where he trained as a corpsman and CPR technician... and left the navy in 1967. (I know 6 years in the Marine Corps SOUNDS more impressive than 2 as a Marine & 4 in the navy)

speaking of Wrights character and Obamas association with him

Oprah Winfrey belonged to that same church... and left because she disagreed with the "over the top" views.... and NO, I'm no Oprah fan...

Hillary, I've never heard of her religious affiliations or background.

McCain gets "endorsements" from whackadoo far right guys... correct me if I am wrong here, but I dont believe McCain has ever attended church ONCE with these questionable endorsers, has he?

Obama spends 20 years in Wright's church... Obama never left... take a second LOOK at the wild adulation in the background when Wright says the inflamatory things he says... THIS is not the reaction you would expect if this was some isolated example of an individual sermon... THIS is par for his course... Mr Wrignt is LYING.... this is what he preaches day in and day out... Obama AGREES with what he is saying.... and in the words of Mr Wright, Obama's "denunciations" are "just politics... they dont mean anything"

Wright never has retracted his offensive comments or attempted to to contextualize his own words... just that it was unfair... LOOK AT THE BACKGROUND of his sermons... I know that if someone stood in front of MY congregation and said those kinds of things people would not be dancing in the aisles screaming AMEN...

lol they'd be in the aisles alright.... with their backs turned heading towards the exits....

"government introducing aids into the black community to kill black people" is NOT a religious view... it is a RACIST view...

"government introducing drugs into the black community to keep black people down" is NOT a religious view... it is a
20

mike - across the pond,

29/04/2008 19:41:01

"government introducing drugs into the black community to keep black people down" is NOT a religious view... it is a RACIST view...

"GD america"??? really.... from a PREACHER no less... something about the 3rd commandment... I find it hard to believe that a "man of the cloth" would utter such things.... IN A SERMON NO LESS....
21

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 29/04/2008 19:47:46
Wright volunteered for the marines in 1961 after being inspired by president Kennedy who said 'ask not what your country can give to you, but ask what you can give to your country'. Wright actually left college to join the military. Then after a couple of years Wright transferred to the navy where he was a medical specialist and assigned state-side duty actually taking care of the president. He left in 1967. During this time Cheney was of-age to join, but he did not volunteer. Cheney instead engineered student deferrments to shelter himself from the draft.
22

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 29/04/2008 19:57:24
Mike,

Senator McCain did appear at the church where Pastor Parsley of Ohio endorsed him, and he also attended Pastor Hagee's church in texas when that pastor endorsed him too. I didn't really watch the whole thing on tv, but it was on tv also when McCain was there. Parsley is the one who says we should kill Muslims because they're anti-christ. and Hagee is the one who says we should attack Iran pre-emptively.

Hilary Clinton grew up in Methodist church. but in 1993 she began attending this 'Fellowship' group in Washington that owns the Cedars mansion. That is a dominion church that believes in creating war to bring back jesus. Lots of politicians go to the prayer breakfasts at Cedars, but Hilary also goes to bible study with them.

I contend that either Clinton or McCain could be attacked over this just as Obama is being attacked.

23

mike - across the pond,

ah foulkes 29/04/2008 19:59:24
FOULKES, move your wallet pal you are mumbling again....

Korea, was OVER on July 27, 1953... being they werent drafting TWELVE YEAR OLDS I think that Mr Cheney was exempt for age on that

prior to October 26, 1965 married men were exempt from being drafted.... primarily for financial reasons... they didnt want drafted soldiers wives collecting meager military support

McCain has children serving... other than that I dont know... and he refuses to talk about them, for what should be OBVIOUS reasons...
24

mike - across the pond,

wally 29/04/2008 20:13:58
I take it you are old enough to have friends who were "nervous" back then...

I'm not quite THAT old... but I have friends... and family... who got married for "draft" reasons... and then who had kids... for "draft" reasons...

I also have frieds who manipulated their draft statuses to get "better" service commitments... one showed up to his draft board in his AF basic training uniform... just to hand them his "induction" slip and say "sorry, I'm already in"...

the POINT is... this was VALID... he didnt run across the border... questioning Cheney on moral grounds about this is just a wee little bit disingenuous... cheney isnt even running...
25

mike - across the pond,

wally 29/04/2008 20:31:07
ok... fine... McCain went to these endorsers churches ONCE... ONE TIME.... each... and I just ask you to think about what those visits were about... McCain was there to give a campaign appearance a short speach shake a few hands kiss a few babies and out the door... I doubt he was there for a spiritual awakening...

Obama.... TWENTY YEARS... he lived the life... admitted to the "spiritual awakening"... he was there for the whole meal... TWENTY YEARS... Soup to nuts... so much so that he didnt find what was being said would be percieved as offensive in the slightest degree....

I dont find it incredibly hard to believe that McCain in his one visit to either of these congregations may have missed the boat on the offensive preachings...

but TWENTY YEARS? come on wally... TWENTY YEARS... granted he probably missed a few sundays here & there... but over the span of TWENTY YEARS dont you think that he would have picked up the general tenor of the sermons to the congregation? Oprah did...

and like I said... LOOK at the adulation in the background when Wright says these things... they werent shocking utterances... this was a COMMON THEME...

Wright is lying...

and it its KILLING BO...
26

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 29/04/2008 20:58:49
Kelvino #5...Speak for only yourself. Not many agree with Rev. Wright. Even Obama claims he doesn't agree with him..only it took the polls and his drop in the polls for him to denounce him...not sever ties with him.
Even today, after seeing the tapes of the Press Club released..Obama is only now angry, and disgusted with Wright. For the last 20 years, he has not been.

Why Wright is stabbing his "friend" in the back is behond me, other than he wants his 15 minutes of fame in the limelight, and he has an "open mike" to get to millions of people.

Soo, before you make blanket statements about a leftist, marxist, nut...THINK
27

2dogs in D.C.,

29/04/2008 22:30:28
#19-Mike-I joined the U.S.N. in '72, served my 1st 4 in the North atlantic, Re-upped for four more, served with the 3rd and 1st MARINES...Yep, I was a Corpsman. Did everything they did, ate what they ate, ect. All the grunts in my units called me Doc, but we were all marines.
28

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 29/04/2008 22:31:44
you make a good point Mike in 25; It would be unfair and unreasonable of the media to attack McCain over his religious association as they've done with Obama, but they could do it and people would be heavily influenced by such an attack too. People don't want to elect someone who believes in a preacher that says that we should make war on muslims because god says so. and those 2 big preachers I mentioned have been video-taped saying that. Also, Hagee said that Jesus is not the messiah. and that's another thing they could crucify McCain on. Remember, video exists of McCain standing at the front of their church with these leaders while they endorse him.

and as far as Hilary is concerned, the media could go after her too on religious isses. She goes to a church-group in Washington that is 'dominion' style christian. and hardly any democrat voters go for that because the dominion christians say we should make war against muslims in order to make jesus return. Dominion christians all support McCain.

29

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 29/04/2008 22:38:35
one of the things that is happening with Reverend Wright is that some points of view or interpretations regarding the bible are being demonized. Wright is not a christian-zionist type. He doesn't idolize Israel. He thinks that later-day Babylon is dominating America today. He quotes psalm 137. and I think some of you might've read me quoting that chapter as well. I saw him quote Psalm 137 in his Sept 16, 2001 sermon, he was saying that Babylon is here in America. There are lots of christians, both white & black, who see things that way. These types of views are being demonized and made taboo.
30

SouthernGent,

29/04/2008 23:16:29
Rev Wright is nothing more than a racist. All my life, I have been raised to believe that racism was wrong and it was time to treat ALL as you want to be treated. Guess what - parts of the black community don't operate with the same set of rules. As the great Rev Wright will tell you, his agenda is to better the black community and only the black community, just read the church charter. He doesn't preach equality, he preaches about "big bad whitey". Either we are all equal or we are not. But it has to come from all races to get there.
31

Itchy,

30/04/2008 01:04:03
#15 his comments were Marxist, you idiot.

That is why he is regarded as 'Marxist' by people.

He is also a racist, just like Robert Mugabe.
32

Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 30/04/2008 02:29:53
Itchy in 31:

I did take the time to watch 1 of Wright's sermons from beginning to end. That was his Sept 16, 2001 sermon that was said to be so controversial. I thought his sermon was very christian. I did not find him to be marxist or racist.
33

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 30/04/2008 05:58:33
then you need help Wally.....because this man Wright is not helping his "friend" at all. He is derailing his campaign. Everything we have seen, they called snippets, were repeated at the Press Club dinner; they are not snippets..he believes them...and just about said Obama is a lying politician.

He, Obama, may be distancing himself...but he has yet to sever his relationship to this man.
Like Obama said, his speeches give comfort to those who pray on hate.
34

SeriouslyAmused,

Ayr 30/04/2008 08:41:09
I watched Wright making his remarks and was struck by something: his flippancy and love of the crowd. By the time I had finished watching I was left with a clear impression of a man who enjoys being controversial for controversy's sake. And his remarks regarding 9/11 and AIDS were, to put it mildly, nothing short of sh*t-stirring.

Worse though are his constant references to slavery - it seems he does not want American blacks to move forward but revel in their predecessors misery. That may appeal to some of his congregation, probably quite a lot of them, but it is, as Obama said in response, destructive and divisive.

This is no man of peace as he kept on saying but someone hell bent on making mischief and profitting from it.
35

Dougie, Edinburgh,

30/04/2008 11:31:27
Jared Taylor from American Renaissance makes some good points about the extremism of Rev. Wright's views and the insincerity of Obama's condemnation of him.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/04/obamas_pastor_s.php
36

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 30/04/2008 11:47:17
It never ceases to amaze me how anyone in the U.S. who diagrees with the powers that be is instantly branded a "Marxist" "Commie" "Neocomm" "Leftist" by anyone in support of the powers that be. You really need to get over your McCarthyite fear of the "Red Menace". The cold war ended some time ago.
37

Landman,

30/04/2008 12:16:06
32 Wally

Of course you did.... Did you have your tin foil hat on real tight that day?
38

Wally,

by the Rivers Of babylon (USA) 30/04/2008 14:48:40
A clampers in 36 is telling it exactly correct. The Americans love to engage in their mcCarthy-ite type of witch-hunts or demonization festivals. they are like robots able to pounce appropriately on any target the tv shows them.

I withold judgement on Wright until I look at his actual sermons and see what he is actually saying. and so I wear a tin-foil hat some idiot says. What I see is that Reverend Wright is a christian preacher attacked for being a christian preacher.
39

keystone,

Eau Claire WI. USA 30/04/2008 15:42:27
Mr. Wright is no more, or less, than a very very shrewd hustler who has seized his fifteen minutes of fame, and intends to use all fifteen to build a fortune. Fortune building is not done by being passive, and issuing non news worthy statements. Shock and awe gets ones name front and center, and Mr. Wright is a proven master of the shock and awe technigue. Mr. Wright gets rich, by pandering to the lowest common denominator, and the world sucks up his shock and awe rather than ignore it till he goes away. Can anyone be surprised that he continues down that profit making path? Meaning, if you pander to the panderer, the panderer will continue to pander.
40

Dunnyveg,

Texas 30/04/2008 17:20:52
I've listened to a lot of American talk radio since the Wright affair broke. By a margin of twenty or thirty to one, black callers defend Mr. Wright and Obama. Donna Brazile, a top black Democratic activist, characterized Wright's remarks as "moderate". And I think she's right; this kind of rhetoric is standard fare in many black churches.

I simply don't understand the patent dishonesty that colors this whole affair. Whites refuse to see that blacks are essentially tribal beings, and that the entire civil rights movement was a total sham. Few blacks have the courage to admit what they're doing. And almost no Establishment whites are willing to acknowledge that most whites also have a tribal view of the world; they're just afraid to admit it.

The entire edifice of race relations has been premised and constructed on the lie that race can be made not to matter. And what a tangled, messy web we've weaved since first we practiced to deceive ourselves.

We acknowledged that communism was doomed to failure because it failed to account for human nature. Why can't we acknowledge the same in our race policies that refuse to accept that part of human nature that makes us all tribal animals?
41

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 30/04/2008 18:43:08
Mr. Wright is an opportunist and a hypocrit. He tells others to spread the wealth..and "rich whitey" has taken advantage of the blacks far too long.
Ask Mr. Wright about his new house.. his new house in the white neighborhood, market value.. several millions.
Does anyone think he is spreading his wealth around?
42

mike - across the pond,

wally... 30/04/2008 18:55:00
think about christianity...

think about what christ taught...

christ taught equality... forgiveness...

then watch what Wright says... carefully... dont get caught up in the moment with him... watch it critically...

wright says many things that are christian... then slips in some pretty UN-CHRISTIAN things, poisoning entire sermons with a few very unforgiving unchristian things... if he were a "lay-minister" then I suppose these could be overlooked... however THIS WAS HIS LIFE, his career, and should be his very being...

I challenge you, WATCH his sermons... watch what he says.... try to figure out if those "un-christian" parts were isolated... or endemic...

I maintain that based upon the reactions of the crowd to these sentiments... leaping to their feet and screaming "amen" when he goes on about AIDS, drugs, slavery, 9/11... all that does not point to a fundamentally "christian" message... but a very UN-Christian theology he preached and preached repeatedly...

if thats the "black church" experience... so be it... IMHO they are NOT christian.... but something fundamentally different...
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mike - across the pond,

dunnyveg 30/04/2008 19:28:37
"Whites refuse to see that blacks are essentially tribal beings"...

wow thats a racist belief... on TWO fronts

first, the concept of "blacks are essentially tribal beings" need I point out how THAT is racist?

then "Whites refuse to see..."

maybe whites refuse to see it, because it is not what we are... it may be who YOU are, it may even be what our forefathers were.... but it is NOT who the majority are today...

it may be how blacks view their situation today, but it does not make it the core belief structure of white america today.

if this view is endemic to black american society today, it is tragic, enlightening, but tragic.

BO will lose this year not because he is black, but because of his left wing, racist, core beliefs. those beliefs are vetted by long term associations with the likes of Mr Wright, Ayers, and even his wife.

America will someday indeed elect a black president, and when it happens it will most likely be a conservative, not a liberal. a conservative who runs with a vision, not a "black" agenda.

it will be over the shrill screams of the Wrights and BO's of the world who will scream vile things like "uncle tom"... because they will be a product of the "bill cosby" model of self reliance... not a product of hand outs and a sense of entitlement...
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Dunnyveg,

30/04/2008 20:04:48
"first, the concept of "blacks are essentially tribal beings" need I point out how THAT is racist?"

Yes, you do need to point out how my statement is racist if you wish to be taken seriously. Whatever else a racist may be these days it is something immoral. And I fail to see where there is anything immoral in what I said.

Blacks are tribal beings, the same way all human beings are tribal. The concept of a brotherhood of man is pure rubbish as far as most people, black or white, are concerned. I can base my statement upon the fact that in many primaries Obama has won over ninety percent of the black vote, while Hillary has won between two-thirds and three-quarters of the white vote. What's really funny is listening to voters who don't know the first thing about either candidate trying to explain why they're voting for someone about whom they know nothing other than skin color.

"maybe whites refuse to see it, because it is not what we are... it may be who YOU are, it may even be what our forefathers were.... but it is NOT who the majority are today..."

Whites aren't supposed to have a tribal view, but they do. Look at it this way: I bet you don't live in a black neighborhood or send your kids to a school were English is a foreign language. Few whites are insane enough to do such a thing--especially the diversity pimps. And when such a thing is forced upon whites, they flee. They even have a name for this phenomenon: white flight. And whites will pay five times more for a house in a white neighborhood than they would the same house in a black neighborhood. In fact, where whites are forced to go to school with minorities in the US, there is frequently assigned seating in the lunchrooms to counter these tribal instincts. And in matters where whites are free to choose they almost always choose to be around other whites--whether we're talking about church services, formal dinners, backyard barbecues, or whatever. These affairs are almost always v
45

mike - across the pond,

dunnyweg 30/04/2008 21:09:02
I find it strange for an american conservative to be delivering a race based smack down to a foreigner... lol

first off... there isnt a school in america that should speak anything BUT english... its america, we won the war, we speak english, GET OVER IT... or GO HOME.... guess that makes me "tribal" doesnt it...

you may be tribal... and maybe you need an "assigned seat"... I'm not... my children are not.... and I resent it... if the school board decided to try to discipline my children for not obeying their racist "tribal" seating chart... well that school board would get the opportunity to pay for private "non tribal" schooling... (psst Ive WON this battle in the recent past)

as far as "white flight"... I've seen it, primarily as a result of liberals imposing school bussing... you buy a house 2 blocks from a school... and wow... your kids get to ride on a bus for 2 1/2 hours a day to a school clear across town to fill some racist ideal they have... not in MY lifetime.... it has NOTHING to do with racism or "tribalism"... its called common sense... and its also a major contributing factor in "urban blight"...

blacks being "tribal beings"... human beings are "tribal beings"... americans are "tribal beings"... you tend to gravitate towards those who you share commonalities... it is RACIST to believe that those "commonalities" begin and end with the color of your skin... THAT is racism, of the most divisive, demeaning, and debilitating sort...

I happen to live in a neighborhood with blacks, asians, hispanics, russians, indians (both american AND asian)... you name it within a mile you can find any combination you care to name... and there IS racism.. mostly from "newcommers" to the neighborhood... and mostly from the supposedly "oppressed" minorities... strangely they decide on one of 2 courses of action... they either drop their crap... or they move somewhere that will pander to their racist views... be they
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mike - across the pond,

dunnyweg - cont 30/04/2008 21:09:54
be they black, white, yellow, or green...

I've lived in an "inner city" and moved because I refused to immerse my children in the racism of the "minorities" in that community... a racism fostered and defended by the liberals who refuse force these communities to americanize... or go home...
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Dunnyveg,

Texas 30/04/2008 21:54:36
"I find it strange for an american conservative to be delivering a race based smack down to a foreigner... lol"

First, as long as George Bush considers himself a conservative I won't consider myself one. As far as "smack down" goes, it's not personal because I don't know you. My concern is with the facts.

"first off... there isnt a school in america that should speak anything BUT english... its america, we won the war, we speak english, GET OVER IT... or GO HOME.... guess that makes me "tribal" doesnt it..."

Yes, it does make you tribal. One point I never had a chance to get to is that there is nothing wrong with harboring tribal instincts. Liberals love to confuse this tribal instinct with violence. The two oftentimes do go together, but not necessarily. For instance, I'm sure you love your family more than anybody else's family. But that doesn't mean you hate anybody else's family. By the same token, it's possible to love one's people without hating other peoples.
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Dunnyveg,

30/04/2008 22:00:58
"you may be tribal... and maybe you need an "assigned seat"... I'm not... my children are not.... and I resent it... if the school board decided to try to discipline my children for not obeying their racist "tribal" seating chart... well that school board would get the opportunity to pay for private "non tribal" schooling... (psst Ive WON this battle in the recent past)"

Seating is normally assigned in lunchrooms because white kids want to sit with white kids, black kids want to sit with black kids, etc. And, yes, the reason private schooling has become so prevalent is because of liberal social engineering designed to weed tribalism out of us. They've been working on this for over fifty years now (since Brown v Board of Education in 1954). Guess what? Recently the Supreme Court ruled that race doesn't have to be a factor when it comes to where a child goes to school. And consequently the schools are resegregating at a rapid clip. But I fail to see where there is anything wrong with this.

"as far as "white flight"... I've seen it, primarily as a result of liberals imposing school bussing... you buy a house 2 blocks from a school... and wow... your kids get to ride on a bus for 2 1/2 hours a day to a school clear across town to fill some racist ideal they have... not in MY lifetime.... it has NOTHING to do with racism or "tribalism"... its called common sense... and its also a major contributing factor in "urban blight"..."

I'd have to respectfully disagree with you that tribalism has nothing to do with the busing schemes of the past. Since we are tribal animals, the only way blacks and whites will mix is if they're forced to. And busing was just that. It was elitist judges forcing us to send our kids to schools they would NEVER send their own kids to. It's pure hypocrisy and hatred for lower class whites who can't afford to live on the upper west side of Manhattan.

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Dunnyveg,

30/04/2008 22:07:00
"blacks being "tribal beings"... human beings are "tribal beings"... americans are "tribal beings"... you tend to gravitate towards those who you share commonalities... it is RACIST to believe that those "commonalities" begin and end with the color of your skin... THAT is racism, of the most divisive, demeaning, and debilitating sort..."

I'd also disagree that race is only skin deep. And so would more than a few liberals today--albeit grudgingly. For example, cardiologists noticed that some medicines that worked well on whites didn't work well on blacks, and vice versa. Now they have come out with a heart drug called Bidil that works extraordinarily well on blacks, but not at all well for whites. If race is really only skin deep, this phenomenon becomes very difficult to explain.

No, race is far more than skin complexion. There are huge differentiations between things as diverse as crime rates, life expectancies, intelligence levels, rates of birthing twins, immunity to certain diseases, and many others. The rates of all of these things differ from race to race.

Look at it this way: If blacks and whites were really equal in all things they'd be the equivalent of identical twins. And I've yet to hear of the liberal who is that far gone.

I happen to live in a neighborhood with blacks, asians, hispanics, russians, indians (both american AND asian)... you name it within a mile you can find any combination you care to name... and there IS racism.. mostly from "newcommers" to the neighborhood... and mostly from the supposedly "oppressed" minorities... strangely they decide on one of 2 courses of action... they either drop their crap... or they move somewhere that will pander to their racist views... be they

Integration has been termed that which happens between the time the first black moves into a neighborhood and the last white moves out. The same is now occurring in England.
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Ed_from_Rhinebeck,

Palo Alto 01/05/2008 04:12:24
Many Americans love torture and murder they are satanists so when Wright tells the truth they screech and howl. To have a chance to win the election Obama had to "throw Wright under the bus". In so doing Obama has denied the truth, denied God, denied hope, denied the dream. He may win the presidency but he has already lost.
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Chuy Leviticus,

Jerusalem 01/05/2008 05:30:01
does anybody remember the 2000 election when Rev. Billy Graham stood beside George W. on national tv and said "i believe in this man's integrity"? shouldn't we haul the old pious fraud out of his deathbed and get an update on that comment?
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mike - across the pond,

chuy... 01/05/2008 18:55:28
billy graham stood beside BILL CLINTON at both of his innaugurations AND his "rebirth" after the sordid details of "monica-gate" came to light...

careful which end of the stick you grab.... lol

 

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