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Ayers and Keating: Two names from the past that both candidates would like to forget



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Published Date: 07 October 2008
THE gloves came off in the United States presidential election battle yesterday, with both candidates' camps launching savage personal attacks on their rivals.
Sarah Palin, John McCain's running mate, repeated weekend allegations that Barack Obama sympathised with former terrorist Bill Ayers, saying of the Democratic candidate: "I'm afraid this is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to work with a
former domestic terrorist. I am just so fearful that this is not a man who sees America the way that you and I see America – as the greatest source for good in the world."

Mr McCain stepped up the pressure, releasing a commercial accusing Mr Obama of making false accusations against US forces in Afghanistan.

Mr Obama hit back by issuing a 13-minute video, Keating Economics, highlighting Mr McCain's role in trying to shield a corrupt banker, Charles Keating, from a federal investigation that saw him jailed in the late 1980s.

Neither the Ayers nor Keating controversies are new. Mr Obama's tangential relationship with the self-confessed former terrorist was exposed in the primary campaign, and Mr McCain was publicly reprimanded for helping Keating by the Senate.

But both campaigns appear to have decided yesterday to go for the jugular, in what some have dubbed Mud Monday.

The McCain advert shows Mr Obama and footage from Afghanistan. The voiceover says: "Who is Barack Obama? He says our troops in Afghanistan are just air-raiding villages and killing civilians. How dishonourable." It refers to an election meeting last year at which Mr Obama said more troops were needed in the Afghan war to ensure "we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians".

Mr Obama's ad goes back to the 1980s and accuses his rival of following the same pattern as the current banking crisis, with senators giving bankers special favours in return for pay-offs.

The hostilities will put both men in snarling mood ahead of tonight's head-to-head televised debate, the second of three.

It comes with the polls showing Mr Obama stretching his lead. Results out yesterday give him ten-point leads in the big states of Pennsylvania and Virginia, and a seven-point lead in Ohio, and these are figures Mr McCain must reverse if he is to stay in contention.

WILLIAM AYERS

Obama tarnished by 'terror link'


BARACK Obama's connection with Bill Ayers reminds Americans of the turbulence of the 1960s – of an idealism gone wrong for some, of communist fellow-travellers to others.

Radicalism was in the air, Vietnam was in the news, and while millions of young Americans took to the streets, Mr Ayers decided to go further. He helped found a group named the Weather Underground, often known as the Weathermen, after a Bob Dylan lyric: "You don't need a weatherman to know what way the wind blows."

In his determination to show America's public what way he wanted the wind to blow, he targeted federal institutions with nail bombs.

An explosion in late 1969 destroyed a Chicago police commemorative statue. When the city rebuilt the statue, Weather Underground blew it up again the following year.

There were bombings in New York, San Francisco and Washington, targeting police stations and army recruiting offices, but there were no casualties. A small bomb in the Pentagon cut a water pipe, flooded the situation room and cut off direct contact with the front in Vietnam.

Mr Ayers was named as one of the terrorists, but the campaign was stopped by the group itself when members of a cell blew themselves up while making a nail bomb in Greenwich Village, New York.

Mr Ayers and fellow founder Bernadine Dohrn, his wife, went underground, but turned themselves in 1980.

In return for his confession, Mr Ayers had bombing charges dropped and Ms Dohrn was given three years' probation. Since then, Mr Ayers has built himself a career as a professor at Chicago University, becoming an expert on educational reform.

Sarah Palin has insisted that Obama learned politics in Mr Ayers' living room, implying he supports Mr Ayers' former commitment to terrorism.

Both have served on the board of the same Chicago charity and live near each other in Chicago. Mr Ayers also held a meet-the-candidate event at his home for Mr Obama when Mr Obama first ran for office in the mid-1990s, the event cited by Ms Palin.

Mr Ayers donated $200 (£115) for Obama's senate campaign in 2002.

Spokesmen say the men have not met for more than a year-and-a-half.

The former terrorist is ambiguous about whether he regrets his past. In 1995 he described himself as the last communist.

He insists his targets were buildings, not people, a point possibly lost on the terrified bystanders who experienced his attacks.

CHARLES H KEATING

McCain role in banking scandal


THE Charles Keating affair is an uneasy reminder to Americans of the scandal and chaos that plagued the country the last time the government had to bail out wayward banks.

In the early 1980s, the Reagan administration deregulated banks, allowing them to make far riskier loans with depositors' cash. At first, this freed up the economy and the United States boomed. But by the late 1980s, growing numbers of finance houses were in trouble after risky loans went sour.

One such was the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, whose chairman, Charles Keating, was a friend of Senator John McCain, of Arizona. Keating, who lived in the state, had given Mr McCain $112,000 (£65,000) for his Senate campaign, while Mr McCain's wife, Cindy, a brewing heiress, had sunk more than $300,000 into a shopping mall project with Keating.

When federal authorities began investigating Lincoln in 1987, Mr McCain, newly arrived in the Senate, joined four other senators, three Democrats and one Republican, in lobbying them to stop.

For a time, it worked: the authorities established the bank had unreported losses of $136 million in 1986, but did not order its takeover in 1989, at a cost to the taxpayer of $2 billion in paying guarantees to depositors who had lost their money.

The Lincoln collapse was one of 447 failures that left the taxpayer with a $500 billion bill, the biggest federal bail-out in US history – until now.

Keating spent four-and-a-half years in jail for fraud. The senators, nicknamed the Keating Five, were investigated by the FBI, then hauled before the Senate ethics committee, where Mr McCain famously said: "One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion."

After a nine-month investigation, the three senior senators were reprimanded, while Mr McCain and Democrat John Glenn, on account of their junior status, were admonished for improperly interfering with the federal investigation. They both stood for re-election, while the three senior senators all bowed out.

Lincoln shareholders were not so lucky: more than 23,000 were left with nothing, some after giving the bank their life savings.

The scandal became a symbol for millions of Americans of the way government had colluded with bankers in allowing risky gambles to be made with investors' money.

Mr McCain has since admitted that he had been in the wrong.



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1

2dogs in D.C.,

07/10/2008 01:08:21
Honestly, who would really want the job? The pay's not that great, everyone hates you,you,ve got to wade neck deep in slime to get there,and you've got at best, eight years to enjoy the house and airplane.
2

SouthernGent,

07/10/2008 01:51:15
When its over, they get to make millions on the lecture circuit and they get their own library, plus secret service to go get their donuts for life.

Actually, in light of the current economic situation, americans should be voting for McCain. The President gets a pension for the rest of his/her life and McCain wouldn't cost us that much in the long term. Obama, on the other hand is still in his fortys. That would be 30/40 more years of payment :)
3

Postmark-55,

China, 07/10/2008 05:20:07
#2 SouthernGent,
With the hostilities shown towards Obama on account of his ethnic background chances are he'd get assissinated if he were to be elected. Your numbers jive if you take into account death to natural causes but I strongly doubt that some people want to see Obama alive once becoming president. America doesn't seem to be ready for a black president, especially one with Muslim roots, from all what I've read and heard about, but you live there so I imagine you'll have a somewhat clearer picture on that than me, living here in China.
4

Boy Wonder,

07/10/2008 08:45:14
"America – as the greatest source for good in the world."????

Is this blinkered vision or what???
5

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 07/10/2008 09:07:54
Palin should stick to having babies and washing dishes.

Having this woman anywhere near the whitehouse would be a travesty.
6

Scythia,

Alba 07/10/2008 09:39:42
It wasn't the bankers that caused the credit crunch, it was the (Democratic) politicians under Clinton playing at social engineering. They changed the regulations and pressured the two big hitherto prudent mortgage banks to lower their lending standards to accomodate the low earner and those in irregular employment. The same parallels are being drawn here.


http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/2189196/part_2/clinton-democrats-are-to-blame-for-the-credit-crunch.thtml

Google- Roberta Achtenberg, Assistant Secretary for Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity at the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).
7

Number 6,

germany 07/10/2008 10:04:45
Just one of a million reasons not to vote for McCain.
One of the least talented politicians in American history. Only trumped by "George of crawford", who of course , is in a leauge of his own
8

AJ Fife,

07/10/2008 10:08:23
Mr Ayers seems like a reformed person, who is making a positive contribution to his society.

What's wrong with having a pal like that?
9

puskas,

East kilbride 07/10/2008 11:01:18
Palin makes Wendy to look like the university graduate that most people in Scotland knew she was not.

10

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

07/10/2008 11:04:13
#8 TSW

Troll
11

AJ Fife,

07/10/2008 11:28:29
#11,

I beg your pardon. I'm not 'That Scottish Woman', thank you very much!!! And I'm not a troll, I mean, living under a bridge and trying to eat the occasional Billy Goat, is OK for some, but no me.....
12

Landman2,

07/10/2008 11:34:27
McCain was exonerated.

Ayers relationship with Obama is not in the "Past"

Apples and oranges.
13

Landman2,

07/10/2008 11:37:32
#8 AJ Fife

re: Ayers

Reformed? What's reformed about saying he does not regret bombing theose building and wishes he had done more?
14

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

07/10/2008 11:47:41
12 AJ Fife

Don't get your knickers in a wod, everyones knows I meant #9 Cutty Sark AKA TSW. You act like you have never had a typo.
15

AJ Fife,

07/10/2008 11:53:16
#15,

He's reformed in the sense that he hasn't blown up anything recently. It also seemed to be terrorism on a pretty innocent schoolboy level. It kind of puts me in mind of the recovery of the Stone of Destiny back in the early 50s.

I'm sure if the American govt thought the guy was a threat, he'd have been executed/assassinated years ago. You know, a bullet in the back of the head during a visit to a drive-in, or perhaps a CIA 'fit up', and being fried on 'Old Sparky'!!

Please note, a 'fit up' isn't anything to do with Aberdonians.
16

AJ Fife,

07/10/2008 11:54:30
#16,

Well, let that be a lesson to ya......
17

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 07/10/2008 12:04:17
It seems Palin and McCain are doing Obama a favour as his polls ratings are going through the roof. Keep it up the pair of you.
18

Deamhain,

Aberdeenshire 07/10/2008 12:36:08
..disappointing.

I was hoping for an earnest discussion on the lyrical contribution of Pam and Ronan.
19

Deamhain,

Aberdeenshire 07/10/2008 12:37:59
#17 AJ,

As in "fit fits fit fit?"?
20

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07/10/2008 13:20:56
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21

AJ Fife,

07/10/2008 13:29:19
#21,

Exactly! :)
22

SouthernGent,

07/10/2008 13:34:40
#9
The problem with your scenario is that Obama loves taxes. Do you actually think raising taxes during a recession is the way forward? His plan will take us from recession to depression - hardly worth the money.
23

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 07/10/2008 13:36:58
#14

"Ayers relationship with Obama is not in the "Past"

Are you ignoring the fact that McCain has been and still is associated with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and a number of other "questionable" characters?
24

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 07/10/2008 13:40:03
#25 continued

....Not to mention Mcain's association with that Palin creature.
25

Sandi,

San Diego 07/10/2008 15:17:15
The Obama campaign really can't consider the Keating matter to be all that important when they have Senator John Glenn, who was exonerated along with McCain, stumping for Obama.

#24 SouthernGent,

You're right. During the last presidential debate Obama was asked directly how the current economic meltdown would affect his ability to do all the very expensive things he's promising to do if elected. Obama was completely unable to respond other than to once again repeat what he says he'll do. Even I, as a Democrat who would like to see most of the things he talks about enacted into law, am fearful of the cost. When Hillary Clinton talked about her plans, she also told you exactly where the money would come from.

The guy really doesn't know what he's talking about and can't think on his feet. He has proved that over and over again in debates during the primary and now the general election.
26

SouthernGent,

07/10/2008 16:28:36
#29
Obama has been very clear about where he plans on getting the money - Taxes. But he and his campaign have hoodwinked the public by saying 95% of americans will see a tax cut, which may be so, but it only pertains to INCOME tax. A lot of his base doesn't pay any to start with.

He plans to raise the following taxes which are paid by ALL citizens:

-the death tax (so don't count on much inheritance)

-capital gains tax (1/3 less from the sale of any home - this will devastate soon to be retirees)

-investment tax - (many democrats aren't even aware that their pensions are invested for them)

-corporate taxes - THE BIGGIE - (consumers pay corporate taxes - if the cost of products increase, democrats are voting to pay these taxes out of their pockets. The only way to keep prices constant would be to cut costs - and that would mean jobs - democrat jobs)
27

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 07/10/2008 18:24:53
Apologies for repeating myself. I posted this morning on an article that has since disappeared. This seems an appropriate place.
----------------------------------

Since when was blowing up a statue as a gesture against your own government described as terrorism? I'm pretty sure the term was never used when Ayers was actively involved in violent political action. I also had the feeling that taking up arms against your government was a kind of cherished right in the States. I'm sure if a group of people in Iraq had blown up a statue of Saddam during the latter days of his rule, we'd be calling them heroes. Yet while Ayers was making his violent protest, the government he was protesting against was terrorizing civilians thousand of miles away by dropping bombs on them in large numbers.
28

Sandi,

San Diego 07/10/2008 18:57:03
#31 Selgovae,

"Since 1970 the Weatherman organization has often been classified in America as a domestic terrorist organization"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)

A little more than a statue.
29

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 07/10/2008 19:36:24
#32 Sandi

Thanks for the reference. I was sure the word "terrorist" came into common use later. Getting old.

"A little more than a statue."

You're right. But a lot less than a Vietnamese village.
30

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 20:01:18
Pretty predictable from the republicans. Do they really expect people to believe that Obama somehow supports terrorism because he happens to have met this Ayers guy, who lives in his neighbourhood, a few times?

This chap has done his time, he's been rehabilitated, what else is anyone supposed to do?
And are we supposed to hold people to account for the actions of everyone they've ever met?
31

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 07/10/2008 20:10:22
#34 Richardinho

"Pretty predictable from the republicans."

Yes, but pretty sad from Obama. Why doesn't he deal with it directly. "Sure, I know the guy. He used to be a violent radical. But you know what, he had a point. He saw his government spending his tax dollars to bomb women and children in Vietnam for no good purpose that he could see. Well you know something, that p*sses me off too."

That's surely worth a couple of votes from one part of the population. And he'd take the media coverage away from Palin.

I can dream.

32

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 20:23:34
Look, if someone has done their time and been rehabilitated, and is now making a positive contribution to society, to suggest that by associating with them years after their crime was committed is somehow condoning their past actions is just ridiculous.
33

SouthernGent,

07/10/2008 20:23:45
#34
"he happens to have met this Ayers guy, who lives in his neighbourhood, a few times?"

Ayers helped launch Obama's political career from his own living room, and you describe that as "meeting a few times"?
34

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 20:32:02
#37 you don't actually think that Obama supports terrorism, you just want other people to think that he does. What the republicans are doing is massively insulting the intelligence of the American people.
35

SouthernGent,

07/10/2008 20:40:41
We all have underlying thoughts/philosophies that contribute to how we make choices, decisions, etc. Many on here wouldn't vote for a candidate based strictly on what church they attended or grew up in. Obama had a "relationship" of some kind with Ayers, along with Rezko and Rev Wright. All radical in some form or fashion, so is it legitimate to be concerned - you bet it is.
36

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 20:45:53
Well what are these concerns? Why not just voice them out loud instead of all this smoke and mirrors.
My opinion on Obama's relationship with Ayers is that it was pretty tenuous. It was an occasional association with a now respectable college professor who did some daft things in his past. I don't think that Obama supports terrorism, do you?
37

SouthernGent,

07/10/2008 22:08:36
Smoke and mirrors?

Obama has the most liberal voting record in the US Senate, and suddenly he shifts all his policies to the center. In other words, he doesn't practice what he preaches. That is smoke and mirrors.
38

Carolyn 1,

07/10/2008 22:16:53
Tony Rezko, a Syrian/American is another questionable friend and business associate of The Great One. He's just a neighbor.
However, Mr. Rezko a convicted criminal, is singing to the FBI, and his prison sentence has been delayed.
Hmmmm. Will this new song be broadcast before Election?


As for the communist Ayers-
In 1995 Ayers said,
"I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist ... [Laughs] Maybe I'm the last communist who is willing to admit it. ... The ethics of Communism still appeal to me. I don't like Lenin as much as the early Marx."


In reference to his books on education:
"Splitting blacks from white Americans was always part of the plan, according to Bill Ayers himself, and according to his radical buds like Jeremiah Wright. See, the trouble with old-fashioned Communism in America was that the actual workers got rich as capitalism starts to work better and better. Plumbers were able to charge mucho dolares. Blue collar workers went out and bought SUVs and boats, and went fishing. So the Left had to find a new, miserable proletariat, and right there were the inner city blacks, uprooted from their Christian families and work ethic in the South, often feeling lost and vulnerable. That's where Black Liberation Theology came in and the Black Muslims. That's where ACORN recruited its heavies. That's where the Democrats get their most obedient voters to this very day...."

In 2001, he posed for the cover of his book- stomping on the American flag.

But not to worry, when Ayers is hanging around the Whitehouse he'll have lots of pals to educate
39

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 22:25:51
#42 So you think that because Obama met this guy who happens to be a neighbour, that means he shares all his views? Would you accept being judged for the actions of everyone you'd ever met?
40

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 22:33:58
#41 It's the dishonesty from the republicans which I find offensive. They use inuendo to try and discredit Obama, because the fact is that they don't have anything on him.
Let's cut to the chase; Do you think Obama supports terrorism or not?
41

Carolyn 1,

07/10/2008 22:40:12
@44
of the many years of corruption, lies and secrets, here's the nutshell version

Rezko and Ayers started The Messiah on his journey to the promised land-
a special place we used to call the United States of America.

Hopenchange is on the way.

42

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 22:41:08
#45 Say again in plain speech?
43

Sandi,

San Diego 07/10/2008 22:50:54
#34,

Not only has Ayers not "done his time", because of prosecutorial screw-ups, but he is completely unrepentant for his actions and wishes he/they had done more.

As I have said before, the question is not whether or not Obama supports terrorism. Rather, it is why would someone who wants to be president of the United States choose to associate himself with terrorists? Especially today, in this time. And why does he lie about his relationships with these people? Obama may not support the means Ayres and the Weathermen used, but he does support their extreme political views.

Americans don't vote for extremists. Few people ever thought that George W, Bush would be as extreme as he has been. Remember how he promised to be a "uniter, not a divider"? Today, Obama is saying almost the same thing. He promises to be bipartisan/post-partisan (uniter), although he has done very little in his very short career that would support his ability to do that.

Everyone wants rid of Bush and his brand of extremism, but most Americans don't want to replace it with a different brand of extremism. And that is what Obama is.
44

SouthernGent,

07/10/2008 22:53:09
#43
"met this guy who happens to be a neighbour, that means he shares all his views?"

Its obvious you never looked into their relationship. Take a moment while you sit at the computer and look it up, then decide on your own.

Ayers wasn't "just a neighbor" or "someone he met a few times". He was a mentor. Do I think Obama is a terrorist? No. Do I think he harbors radical views behind the facade? Yes. I don't need a President with that kind of baggage.
45

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 22:55:15
#47 So you are saying that Obama shares all of Ayres' views because he's met him a few times?
46

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 22:56:37
'Do I think he harbors radical views behind the facade? Yes.'

Who cares what you think? what can you prove?
47

SouthernGent,

07/10/2008 22:58:39
#50
And that my friend is where you are wrong. Perception rules, not logic. Just look at your posts to see that.
48

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 22:59:58
#51 Well, so what you're as good as admitting is that this is simply a smear against Obama, nothing to do with actual facts.
49

57Nomad,

07/10/2008 23:02:16
#3 pm

pm said:

"With the hostilities shown towards Obama on account of his ethnic background chances are he'd get assissinated if he were to be elected."

You say that people are hostile toward Obama because of his ethnic background (his ethnic background is 1/2 Black 1/2 white). Can you substantiate this or is this an attempt to paint Americans as racists? Have there been any posts on this forum that would indicate such a thing?

The race card (if you disagree with Black Libs, you're a racist) doesn't any sting, to be called a racist is just empty babble by those who cannot come up with a convincing rebuttal and are forced to fall to these tiresome ad hominem attacks.
50

SouthernGent,

07/10/2008 23:09:30
#52
No, I'm saying you have created your own "perception" of the facts and refuse to even look it up for yourself, thus shunning logic for perception. Don't feel bad though, as half the US has done the same.
51

Carolyn 1,

07/10/2008 23:14:27
Ooops.
The Nevada Secreatry of State just sacked the head office of Acorn in Nevada for fraud.

Que surpreso!

Acorn, just another average typical company where The Messiah trained the new elite corps, for years, yet has no connection
52

Carolyn 1,

07/10/2008 23:16:36
Nomad, if the spelling police arrive, will you defend me?
Please and thank you kindly.

Spelling Correction:
The Nevada Secretary of State sacked Acorn

Do you think it will hit the news??
hahaha
53

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 23:17:43
#54 Well you admitted that your position was not based on 'logic'.
Your 'perception' is just what you want to believe. The reality is that the republicans who are practicing this smear don't actually believe that Obama supports communism or terrorism. They simply want enough people to think that he does. That is an insult to people's intelligence, and I happen to believe that people will see through this.
54

Sandi,

San Diego 07/10/2008 23:30:14
#49,

They worked together on the Woods Foundation Board for years, Ayers hired Obama as Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They know each other very well. This realtionship is a long, long way from neighbors who meet in the street while walking the dog and perhaps get together for drinks at Christmas, or something.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/440/

A little known fact that is totally ignored by the msm (surprise!) is that when Obama attended Columbia University in New York, William Ayers lived one block from him. Columbia was the center of "Students for a Democratic Society" and given Ayres involvement with that group and Obama's politics, it is very likely that they have known each other for a very long time. Ayres was getting his teaching degree at that time, not attending Columbia.
55

Richardinho,

07/10/2008 23:32:49
#58 So are you saying that Obama supports terrorism because he happened to know this guy?
56

Sandi,

San Diego 07/10/2008 23:58:35
#59,

Did I say that?
57

Richardinho,

08/10/2008 00:12:40
I'm asking you.
58

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 08/10/2008 00:20:58
Sandi, some interesting comments, particularly at #47.

But a few quibbles.

"he is completely unrepentant for his actions and wishes he/they had done more"

In his own words, he said he wished he had done more to oppose the war in Vietnam, and not set off more bombs as your comment might imply. He has also spoken out strongly against terrorism. He doesn't view himself as a terrorist. You clearly disagree with this, but his actions seem to fall outside most definitions of terrorism. (indiscriminate violence)

"This realtionship is a long, long way from neighbors who meet in the street while walking the dog and perhaps get together for drinks at Christmas, or something."

Don't you have that backwards? Meeting for drinks at Christmas suggests a closer relationship than working together in education.

"lived one block from him"

I used to live two blocks from Robin Cook when he spoke out against the Iraq war. I held similar views to his. Does that mean we must have been close? In fact, I never saw him once in the time I was there.

Anyway, I find Ayers a much more interesting character than Obama.
59

SouthernGent,

08/10/2008 00:38:51
#57
My perception is based on my own research into various aspects of Obamas background. Your perception comes from who knows where as you continue to parrot the same post over and over which suggests you have done no research. I'd say mine seems more "logical" than yours.

I don't think it really matters, as we most likely will never agree.
60

Richardinho,

08/10/2008 00:48:46
#63 All I'm asking is for you to provide some evidence that Obama supports terrorism or communism, and I have indeed had to repeat the request, since so far all you have brought forwards is a pack of lies.
61

Sandi,

San Diego 08/10/2008 01:03:55
#62,

"In his own words, he said he wished he had done more to oppose the war in Vietnam, and not set off more bombs as your comment might imply. He has also spoken out strongly against terrorism. He doesn't view himself as a terrorist."

Do you have a link for this? Here is a link to the interview he gave the NYT and which was published on September 11, 2001. It was very long, hence the tinyurl.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/39cpy5

It was actually two blocks from Columbia. The connection is the SDS.

62

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 08/10/2008 07:34:24
#65 Sandi

The following quote in on Wikidpedia. It also appears on various internet sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

"The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.... When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough sh*t."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'"

In the same article, you'll find his "We weren't terrorists," quote.

Of course, lots of people don't think he's sincere. But that's a different issue.

 

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