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Published Date: 18 May 2009
US PRESIDENT Barack Obama strode head-on into the abortion debate last night as he told graduates at America's leading Roman Catholic university that both sides must stop demonising each other.
Mr Obama acknowledged that "no matter how much we want to fudge it … the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable".

But he issued a plea to the University of Notre Dame's graduating class, and to everyone across
the United States, to stop "reducing those with differing views to caricature".

He added: "Open hearts. Open minds. Fair-minded words. It's a way of life that always has been the Notre Dame tradition."

Mr Obama, who supports abortion rights but says the procedure should be rare, was invited to speak at the university and receive an honorary degree. "I do not suggest that the debate surrounding abortion can or should go away," he said.

The Rev John Jenkins, Notre Dame's president praised Mr Obama for not being "someone who stops talking to those who disagree with him". He said too little attention had been paid to Mr Obama's decision to speak at an institution that opposed his abortion policy.

Ahead of Mr Obama's speech, 27 protesters were arrested on trespassing charges, police said. They included Norma McCorvey, the plaintiff identified as "Roe" in the 1973 Roe v Wade Supreme Court decision that legalised abortion. She now opposes abortion, and joined over 300 demonstrators at the university.

More than half of them held signs, some declaring "Shame on Notre Dame" and "Stop Abortion Now" to express their anger over the invitation to Mr Obama, saying the university had lost touch with its Catholic roots.

On campus, Mr Obama entered the arena to thunderous applause and a standing ovation from many in the crowd of 12,000. But as the president began his opening address, at least three protesters interrupted it. One yelled: "Stop killing our children."

The graduates responded by chanting "Yes we can", the slogan that became synonymous with Mr Obama's presidential campaign. Mr Obama seemed unfazed, saying Americans must be able to deal with things that make them "uncomfortable".

The president said those on each side of the debate "can still agree that this is a heart-wrenching decision for any woman to make, with both moral and spiritual dimensions.

"So let's work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions by reducing unintended pregnancies, and making adoption more available, and providing care and support for women who do carry their child to term."

He said he favoured "a sensible conscience clause" that would give anti-abortion healthcare providers the right to refuse to perform the procedure.

Before taking on the abortion issue, Mr Obama told graduates they were part of a "generation that must find a path back to prosperity and decide how we respond to a global economy that left millions behind, even before this crisis hit an economy where greed and short-term thinking were too often rewarded at the expense of fairness, diligence, and an honest day's work".





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  • Last Updated: 17 May 2009 11:38 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Barack Obama , Abortion
 
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18/05/2009 02:47:49
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18/05/2009 03:31:39
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W Smith,

Middle East 18/05/2009 03:35:49
Obama's views on abortion are strange considering he's a church goer.

Mind you it was a weird kind of church where the leader, Reverend Wright, blamed the US government for spreading AIDS amongst the black community.

Something that Obama's supporters in the UK don't want to talk about.

Not surprised.
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18/05/2009 03:59:56
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Carolyn 1,

18/05/2009 04:11:49
As a libertarian I think a person should be able to do whatever that want to their own body, so I am pro-choice.
Polls actually show that most of America thinks abortion is okay early on, but not in the trimester.
Obama however pushed that even further, that if a baby is born alive, it can be left to die, - that to me is cruelty and not something any government should be subsidizing in any way or party to.

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Carolyn 1,

18/05/2009 04:15:33
W Smith @3
(considering he's a church goer)

He attended that Chicago church to meet the right people and advance a career. He hasn't belonged to a church for months.
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18/05/2009 04:38:44
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18/05/2009 05:24:31
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Media at One,

18/05/2009 06:35:34
The problem the Catholic Church has, is that their primordial thinking has eventually caught up with them.
Contraception is important, to deny it would be nothing short of ignorance.
Africa toils and sweats, she goes hungry, she suffers from disease and children are dying at a hell of a rate because people just keep producing. In the white mans world, they abort, thus they avoid the ills that African's suffer from. Of course abortion is not exactly the greatest choice a person can make, but then again had their church preached the benefits of contraception they would'nt to abort as much as they do.
The problem with this debate is that the children, the mothers and the families who must live with the pain of abortion or the pain of failing a child they cannot support is swept under the carpet so that the stage belongs to the power brokers in the RCC -
You cannot oppose contraception AND abortion, it is one or the other.
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Media at One,

18/05/2009 06:53:29
What would you do if a man walked into a school dressed in a big spikey hat, clad in robes wearing a chunky cross around his neck carrying a staff, offering people the chance to kneel before him and kiss his ring?
You would rightly call the police or protect the kids by attacking the weirdo - Funny how the mind will behave normally in a situation in which the obvious depravity of a situation can be seen - yet another man in the same funny suit will be worshipped by millions -The mind is either indoctrinated or it isnt, some of us are free, others are held hostage in one of the most awful rape of the mind idealogies known to man.
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thinking,

Scotland 18/05/2009 09:16:19
What's wrong with adoption instead of abortion?
There are many people enjoying life today because they were adopted and not aborted.
The abortion groups, especially in the USA, are billion £/$ industries, who prefer not to tell pregnant women that there are other options. Many also perform late abortions and aborted babies born alive are left to die.
They also use partial abortion (up to the end of the 9th month) where the brains are sucked out to collapse the babies head.
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W Smith,

Middle East 18/05/2009 09:41:42
Obama was lucky to have a mother that didn't practice what he preaches.

Otherwise we would have been spared his saintly speeches on good and evil which would be a least a positive outcome if his mother had chosen the nuclear option.

The fact that he has kids means he thinks HIS KIDS deserve to be here.

Nothing self-serving about Obama then.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/05/2009 15:02:34
#12 You would do well to heed Obama's plea to stop "reducing those with differing views to caricature". That is precisely what you are doing, and it makes you look like a fundamentalist idiot.
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mike - across the pond,

media.... 18/05/2009 15:36:34
I have to disagree...

contraception and abortion are the same thing... one is prevention... the other a remedy...

and its just as much the guys responsability as the girls... only difference, if the guy has no honor, he can run away... the girl gets to carry the bullet...

which brings us back to the whole white - black argument of your post...

in MY book, honor has no color pal...

it sounds to ME like what you are saying is this...
the black man in africa choses to not use contraception... and he CHOOSES to not do the HONORABLE thing..

so you are saying the african black man is endemically without honor?

interesting... I'll put that in my little book of stuff people say... that said... I still believe honor is a CHOICE and has no color...

personally it sounds like their mothers didnt smack them on the back of their pointed heads enough when they were young. not to mention their fathers obviously didnt set the example
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Dún Aenghus,

18/05/2009 16:19:15
#5 Are'nt you the lucky one that your mother was'nt"pro choice".The unborn in the womb is not a choice! The basic human right is the right to life.No one has the right to destroy unborn life, just for social reasons.I am aware that there are medical reasons etc for pregnancy termination,but abortion on demand is a crime against humanity.
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Dún Aenghus,

18/05/2009 16:24:05
9 Media.1
I think that most people who use these threads are aware of your sick sectarianism.Why dont you just grow up and cut out the bigotry.It really is embarrassing.
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Dún Aenghus,

18/05/2009 16:26:07
#8 Obama is not a Catholic.So! what are you babbling about?
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Alba Abú,

18/05/2009 17:26:53
And to think that we recoil in horror at the mention of Hitlers death camps.We have such camps here in Scotland,only difference is ,we call them abortion clinics.
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mike - across the pond,

CRETIN!!!! 18/05/2009 18:00:20
"Mr Obama acknowledged that "no matter how much we want to fudge it … the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable"."

what an absolute TOOL!

the PROBLEM is that the "pro choice" camp refuse to accept that there is some point in time that a life becomes a life...

even AFTER they are born... ALIVE... the "pro choice" camp believes that it is STILL the right of the mother to leave the infant to die in a closet...

maybe life doesnt begin at conception...

but it certainly DOES begin sometime before "that first breath is drawn"

and that "difference" is where Mr Obama earns his "tool" label....
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Dún Aenghus,

18/05/2009 19:03:11
What other animal on the planet,apart from us of course,murders their unborn or newly born?
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Media at One,

18/05/2009 19:43:10
Dún Aenghus -
I find it disturbing that you view my comments as secterian - Do you even know what secterian means? Do you think we live in a world in which all the people should be complimentary of all the other people? Is it difficult for you to grasp the concept of difference?
I have not uttered a word that can be viewed as secterian or whatever other word you wish to tag onto my comments.
Abortion is not a choice that people should be faced with, but when their church tells them they should'nt wear contraception we have a bit of a problem.
The RCC are so wrapped up in dogma that they are finding it tough to hang onto their ancient rhetoric - no abortion is fine, if that is your warcry then so be it, but you cannot unite it with a battle cry against contraception.
NOTHING I could ever say or do, no matter how hard I try could be anywhere near as evil or as calculated as the horror that the RCC has unleashed on the world - I will NOT apologise for my views nor will I hide in a corner because blindfolded fools such as you throw around words like secterianism around in the hope that you scare us off.
People lost their lives fighting against your RCC, they were also told they were anti catholic and secterian when all they wanted was the chance to think for themselves - so I will honour those brave men and women who put their lives on the line so people like you have the right to free thinking. I will honour their memory by fighting against the most disgustng organisation on the planet and you and your lack of integrity have no chance of stopping me, you're not strong enough, you're not intelligent enough and you're not wise enough - go and dawn a robe put on a silly hat and buy yourself a staff, you might be taken more seriously than you are at present.
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mike - across the pond,

Dún Aenghus 18/05/2009 21:31:41
cats... upon taking over a pride (or whatever you want to call a group of females) male cats kill the young of their "pride"...

hienas... alpha females kill the pups of betas all the time

as much as you might LIKE it to be the animal kingdom doesnt resemble "hundred acre wood"

just start there... and move on...

thats like idiots who use the animal kingdom saying that corporal punishment is unique to humans...

which is a complete and total load of RUBBISH... ever seen what happens to bear cubs who bite mom on the ear one too many times... WHEN they stop rolling across the ground they dust themselves off and go find somebody more their size ro mess with...
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Dún Aenghus,

18/05/2009 21:41:40
#21 You are a noted "Sectarian" bigot and not "secterian" Your rant @21 is ample proof that you have a hatred for all things Catholic.I rest my case,bigot!
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Dún Aenghus,

18/05/2009 21:46:02
#22 I will repeat my question.Where in the animal kingdom do mothers kill there own offspring for social reasons? Now! what can you not understand about that question?
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Selgovae,

18/05/2009 23:52:05
#24

Some rats do this. It's hard to determine whether it is for "social" reasons. Usually hunger is a factor, but in such circumstances, mothers are seen to kill the weaker members of the litter. Does that count as "social"?

Most fish and frogs abandon their eggs the minute they've laid them, leaving the majority to almost certain death.

Of course, only an idiot would use this information to make an argument in favour of abortion. Why did you ask the question?
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19/05/2009 10:59:56
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Lynne,

19/05/2009 18:59:08
#26... I bet you're right.
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First Virginian,

USA 21/05/2009 01:35:08
#5 Carolyn 1

Quote: "As a libertarian I think a person should be able to do anything they want to their own body, so I am pro-choice."

Answer:

Carolyn, a woman who aborts a child is not killing herself but the child that is growing in her body.

American libertarians espouse the concept that we are all endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, such as LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Liberty doesn't do anyone any good if they do not have life to begin with.

Pro-life or pro-death are the only two "choices" in the abortion debate.
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First Virginian,

USA 21/05/2009 01:46:44
On what basis does the Roman Catholic Church object to contraception?

The Bible expressly forbids the taking of a life through abortion, but it in no way forbids contraception.

It is to be assumed that this is another case where Protestant Christians believe their final authority is the Bible while Roman Catholics view their final authority as the traditions and pronouncements of their clergy.

 

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