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Abortion on demand will be our most shameful decision



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MPs are about to consider proposals which would permit abortion on demand up to 24 weeks of pregnancy. Here, Cardinal Keith O'Brien makes an impassioned plea against that move, warning Britain risks sleepwalking into a decision that runs contrary to the values of our society.
I HAVE this week taken the step of writing to every MP in the United Kingdom to urge them to oppose the liberalisation of abortion. For, away from the headlines, buried in the small print of parliamentary bureaucracy, we are in danger of sleepwalkin
g into a society in which abortion on demand is legalised.

In an affluent society such as our own, the possibility of our common social conscience being numbed is evident as many pursue material concerns: the latest fashions; celebrity news; sports extravaganzas; reality TV shows and so on. But human societies need more than bread and circuses to satisfy the deepest yearnings of the human heart.

Sometimes it takes tough challenges to draw us to confront the important questions of existence – life and death, right and wrong, rights and responsibilities. There is no shortage of such challenges at the moment. The credit crunch; communities scarred by drug abuse and crime; family breakdown tearing at the very foundation of communities – the list is lamentably long.

The Government through a variety of initiatives tries to tackle the breakdown in behaviour whilst also facing major problems on how it should deal with fears of terrorist attack, rising fuel prices, uncertain energy resources, economic decline, international hostilities. As things seem to spiral out of control the right path can seem elusive.

Societies need firm foundations to allow us to survive bad times as well as good. There are certain principles that must always be borne in mind lest in our efforts to control problems we choose dehumanising means which ultimately run contrary to the values on which a free democracy is built.

I recently made a visit to our government institutions in Westminster to meet with various political representatives and the leaders of the main parties. It was a visit to carry the message that the Church presents in every age to political authorities. That is, of the dignity of every human person and the primacy of conscience.

It is for this reason that my letter to MPs was sent. My duty is to raise my utmost concern that we may be about to take a deplorable step in contravention of the respect for human life – the ultimate foundation of any civilised society – at a time when it needs affirmation of that value.

My opposition to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill is well known. I, along with my brother bishops, priests and hundreds of thousands of others across the UK, have endeavoured to highlight the inestimable value of every human life.

The majority of our politicians, to their shame, have resisted even paltry reductions in the time limit for abortion. Now, incredibly, we face the prospect of making the UK more notorious in Europe for its barbarity in dealing with the unborn. We already have a time limit for abortion double that of most of our European neighbours, and that is to say nothing of the heinous provision which permits disabled babies to be killed right up to the moment of birth. Now it emerges that our politicians will consider in coming days, amendments at the closing stage of the HFE Bill to permit abortion on demand right up to 24 weeks gestation.

Our spiralling abortion statistics are already a badge of shame for our nation and it confounds the reason of any decent person that such a situation should be exacerbated. From the time of the Abortion Act in 1967 we have watched the growing tragedy whilst its architects have refused to repent their handiwork. Now those who have demeaned every human life by targeting the most vulnerable would have us remove what little restraint there is in relation to abortion.

As I grow older myself I will look back at the legislation we pass and ask myself whether I did everything possible to fight for the right to life of the unborn and I ask everyone in our nation, most especially our politicians who will be directly responsible, to ponder the same question themselves.

A society which sacrifices its most vulnerable, for whatever reason, invests in its own future ruin.

My letter to MPs is more than a piece of political lobbying. It is a cry of alarm; a final desperate effort to prevent our nation sleepwalking into one of the most shameful decisions of its history.

I pray that it has its desired effect.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien is Archbishop of St. Andrews and Edinburgh and head of the Catholic Church in Scotland







The full article contains 800 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 04 July 2008 9:47 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State..... Coatbridge 04/07/2008 11:23:07
Ain't this too true ....."A society which sacrifices its most vulnerable, for whatever reason, invests in its own future ruin"....and we (mankind that is) are doin it all over the world as well.
How sad for the women in our society who are put in this position; discriminated against, treated as a statistic, neatly put away as a positive while having life wrenched from your body and being left to suffer all alone.
Come to think of it, it's even more sad for the men who are blind to all of this.
Thanks goodness there is help and some who care.

Live life....because you are worth it !
2

MisterN,

Scotland 04/07/2008 11:40:34


This isnt a religious issue it is a social issue and every case should be dealt with on an individual case by case analysis not a general rule, law or regulation and certainly not on moral or religious ethical grounds.
The whole issue is a minefield and no single case is clone to another.
3

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

04/07/2008 11:47:27
2...Absolutely...religion has no part in it. I have problems myself accepting certain types of abortion and the late time limits, but these have to be dealt with on individual merit and not en-masse.

As far as the Cardinal is concerned and the Catholic Church...

"A society which sacrafices its most vulnerable, for whatever reason, invests in its own future ruin"...

How very apt...if you change "Society" for "Church" and then apply it to the Catholic Church....

You quite happily sacraficed the most vulnerable...all those children sexually abused by the filthy pedophiles who hid behind your skirts....scandals hushed up...children and their parents silenced...pedophiles moved around to fog their crimes...

Future ruin indeed....
4

JG,

Fife 04/07/2008 12:05:28
Every time this subject comes up I promise myself I'm not going to comment AGAIN!!
The headline caught my attention though, and I thought someone qualified in health matters or expert in the psychology of such things was giving a considered view on it.
NAW!! WRONG!! Cardinal O'Brien pontifficating again.
5

Caratacus,

West Britain 04/07/2008 12:38:16
Hypocrite.
6

Scotish Exile,

04/07/2008 12:43:00
would it not fit the cardinal better to rid the catholic church of its peado's that have ruined countless young lives, now that truely is a "badge of shame"
7

Jenny MacArthur,

04/07/2008 13:03:32
Hatemonger religious bigots are welcome to tell their own bigot-followers how to live their lives. But they have NO RIGHT to impose their perverted ideologies on the rest of us.

Keep anti-rationality fundamentalism OUT OF POLITICS.
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 13:05:17

We 'ARE' the "Shame" of Europe!

A Baby is fully formed before 24weeks, She/He Kicks, moves around, hears Mummy, suck their thumb, sleep and play!

With modern technology's and 4D scans we now Know This IS the Case!

And yet we allow, 'Drive Through Abortion'!

Shame on a Soo called civilized society, we are 'Barbaric'!
9

an interested party,

04/07/2008 13:08:12
at least the cardinal isn't biased at all

oh wait
10

G. Suscryst II,

04/07/2008 13:08:42
The day evil bullies like O'Brien stops driving young gays to suicide by their hate-filled persecution, is the day he'll have the right to pontificate about morality. This man brings more misery and despair into people's lives daily than most people manage in a lifetime.

NO PLATFORM FOR BIGOTS.
11

Findlay Thompson,

04/07/2008 13:10:50
#1
Live life....because you are worth it!

Is that not the sales line in the L'Oreal ads?
You'd better check it's not copyright protected or their lawyers may jump on you from a great height, and sue you back to 1909.
12

hertscot,

04/07/2008 13:12:03
Scotsman!
Shame on you for allowing this bigotted diatribe to be published under your name.
13

Ellen Campbell,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 13:21:57
I totally agree with the comments above that this evil man has no right to impose his hate-filled ideology on non-believers. Everything he stands for is about repression and intolerance. He talks in the words of compassion and love, but actually what he's doing is simply old-fashioned far-right wing bigotry. If he cared about real people's lives he'd be in favour of contraception that would spare millions the agony of having to go through abortions as well as AIDS etc. But it's more important to him to control other people's lives, even if they reject his fundamentalist ideology.

He is the very definition of evil, obviously possessed by the devil to bring so much harm and hurt into the world. No, I don't believe in devils myself, but anyone who does should look at the REAL effect of his actions, and not be taken in by the smokescreen of compassion. Evil. Evil. Evil.

The Evening News should be ashamed of itself for letting him use their pages to spread his horrible political campaigning. Would they give so much space to a racist to campaign for repressing ethnic minorities? Why tolerate evil hatemongers just because they pretend to be using the language of love. We should all tell these awful people just what we think of them.
14

Mrs M,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 13:22:37
I agree with #8 100%

the 24 week limit is disgusting and MUST be changed.

I'm not anti abortion... i'm anti murder.

Killing a fully formed baby at 24 weeks can be called nothing less.
15

Southern Cross,

London 04/07/2008 13:36:05
"Our spiralling abortion statistics..."

For as long as I can remember around 1% of women have sought an abortion each year. This is a very small fraction and is in no sense spiralling up or down.

I would have more respect for the Cardinal if he was accurate and honest.
16

I love to eat Sellotape,

04/07/2008 13:43:48
Statistics don't spiral, do they?

When did that start happening?
17

Allan Retentive,

04/07/2008 13:45:40
#10
"The day evil bullies like O'Brien stops driving young gays to suicide by their hate-filled persecution, is the day he'll have the right to pontificate about morality."

That sounds like a fair offer, Keith. Is it a deal? You stop doing those things, and #10 will let you be a cardinal, and do cardinal stuff.
18

JG,

Fife 04/07/2008 13:48:08
#14 Mrs M
The number of abortions carried out at 24 weeks is very, very low and are invariably done because the baby is badly deformed or the mother is in danger. The last thing a woman in this position needs is some religious leader berating her for having to make such a sad choice.
19

An Beal Bacht,

04/07/2008 13:53:47
Leonard Cohen - The Future

Give me back my broken night
my mirrored room, my secret life
it's lonely here,
there's no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that's an order!
Give me crack and annal sex
Take the only tree that's left
and stuff it up the hole
in your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I've seen the future, brother:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant

You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I'm the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder

Things are going to slide ...

There'll be the breaking of the ancient
western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There'll be phantoms
There'll be fires on the road
and the white man dancing
You'll see a woman
hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming round
tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancin'

Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
Give me Christ
or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don't like children anyhow
I've seen the future, baby:
it is murder
20

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 14:11:47
I don't understand all this hatred and bile.

Cardinal O'Brien, like anyone else, has the right to an opinion. He makes a case against abortion, just as others make a case in its favour. Both are legitimate expressions of debate in a free country. What's the problem?
21

Koffindodger,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 14:33:25
Oh please;

" Britain risks sleepwalking into a decision that runs contrary to the values of our society." as opposed to some catholic priest "sleepwalking" into an orphanage dormitory to give the kids a bit of "hows your father".

Until the catholic church has a bit more "truth and reconciliation" about its treatment of some of the vulerable people in its charge I think we are quite well within our rights to tell it to jam its pontificating on "moral" issues up its cassock.

It's not the point of view I take issue with it's the "higher moral ground" attitude that annoys me and the belittling of women that have to make the pretty horrifiying decision to abort so late.

I assume they aren't doing it because the pregancy is affecting their pulling power at the nightclub.

22

Dibs,

04/07/2008 14:33:26
#20

The problem is that the Evening News, yet again, has not given anyone else the chance to comment on O'Brien's views.

How about a bit of journalism that doesn't only hold the views of the politial right?
23

Koffindodger,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 14:37:48
20 Urban Guerrilla

The cardinal's opinion can't be taken as just one mans view, its the view Nay the COMMAND of Cardinal Keith O'Brien Archbishop of St. Andrews and Edinburgh and head of the Catholic Church in Scotland.

Because of that you can't just dismiss him as a lone eejit....or can you?
24

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 14:47:55
#23, well, as far as I'm concerned he has no more power than you or I. He certainly hasn't got the power to command me, or anyone else I know (RC or not). He's entitled to express a view, and that's what he's doing.

As for the opposite point of view not being given space by the Scotsman, we hear it all the time and it's the one held by most MPs and most voters - as is evident from the recent debates in Parliament. The opposite view is, in fact, the received wisdom and is the one that has determined our current laws. That's why it's interesting to hear an alternative voice like Cardinal O'Brien's.

25

FrancesP,

04/07/2008 14:53:44
15. "'Our spiralling abortion statistics...'

For as long as I can remember around 1% of women have sought an abortion each year. This is a very small fraction and is in no sense spiralling up or down."

How does that assertion square with the following report, published in this newspaper just a month ago -

"SCOTLAND saw a record number of abortions last year, with new figures showing a continuing rise since Britain legalised the practice in 1968.
There were 13,703 abortions carried out last year – an average of 38 per day – compared to 13,163 the previous year."

It goes on to point out that the number of abortions is about a quarter of the total number of live births. So, no, we're not talking about small numbers here, and, yes, those figures are rising markedly. I'm not in favour of criminalising abortion, but it should surely be an objective of public policy to find ways of bringing the abortion rate down.
26

Koffindodger,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 15:08:33
To you or I he is just another (nippy)voice but to some he is the closest thing to the voice of their deity, so to them, what he says goes.

Thats not a good thing especially as he often uses a sort of banal "one size fits all" sort of logic.

He seems to focus more on the oration than actually thinking about what he is espousing.

I wonder how many people have died in Africa as a direct result of his churches policy on condoms? (answer; loads)

http://www.cathnews.com/news/310/53.php

Not just some pub numpty spouting off after a few pints.
27

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 15:13:52
#27, as regards Africa and condoms you've certainly got a point, but none of the RCs I know in Britain (a good many of them) regard him as anything like a deity. Their views of him range from his being someone to whom they'd listen with respect among a number of others who probably have contrary opinions (their doctors, their MPs, etc) to his being a joke!
28

Mr H 2u,

Embra 04/07/2008 15:17:51
It's always entertaining to see the so-called voices of reason using phrases like "evil bullies" when they are trying to accuse others of hate. Thankkfully, not everyone has been sucked into their bleak, one world view, and there are still a few who try and see things from a moral persepective.
29

G. Suscryst II,

04/07/2008 15:23:47
Mr H 2u - it's the ugly arrogance of people like you and the nasty Mr O'Brien who think only THEY are moral that everyone else finds offensive. Morality is not a simply black and white thing that only the chosen few like you have access to, you know. I personally consider my views to be infinitely more moral than this horrible man. So get off your high horse, and let's talk policy instead.
30

PaulB,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 15:33:32
Abortion should be a choice available to women, and it should not be the right of the churches to dictate policy. As a previous poster has said they should concentrate on getting rid of paedophile priests, not telling women how to run their lives.
31

Koffindodger,

B&Q 04/07/2008 15:35:19
27 Urban Guerrilla,

wrt to the RC's I know (and am married to) I agree with your fair assessment of them.

Unfortunately you or I probably wouldn't "hang out" with the sort of people who would put the cardinal on a higher pedestal because we would probably find them to be deficient as company on a number of levels!

Nevertheless numpties do exist, I have occasionally noticed them when I have been out and about;)

As for the pro life types that jump to Keith's defence on this issue, these guys always strike me as being like those ALF freaks who'd stab your mum if they thought you where giving Marlboro lights to beagles or indeed supplying paperclips to a company that helped beagles enjoy a quiet fag.
32

Koffindodger,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 15:41:02
28 Mr H 2u,

I like to think I "try and see things from a moral persepective" but I am not sure that the cardinals view on this matter can be described as such.

Nor do I have a "bleak, one world view", in fact I think the world is on balance......pretty ok.
33

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 15:46:28
#30, > Abortion should be a choice available to women, and it should not be the right of the churches to dictate policy. <

Well, at present abortion *is* a choice available to women, and it *isn't* the right of the churches to dictate policy. That's been the law of the land for 40 years and I don't see it changing. Do you?

#31, I accept what you say. I also like the "ALF" analogy! Nevertheless, fair and reasoned debate is always to be welcomed. If there hadn't been debate, abortion wouldn't have been legalised in the first place.
34

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

04/07/2008 16:11:38
I blame the parents
35

OldmanfaeMethil,

Fife 04/07/2008 16:15:52
There are some truly staggering posts on here. The crazed replies to Cardinal's article suggest to me that the word bigot which has been so bizarrely used in many posts, is more accurately attached many of those above.
The ignorance is also staggering. I would be surprised if any of those merrily slinging about comments about 'Paedo priests' (often speaking in the most disgracefully flippant terms) had any real notion of what current church policy is regarding this issue. Or of the massive efforts that have gone into ensuring that any repeats of the disgraceful instances in teh past when abuse took place does not happen again. More individuals in education abuse than priests. So do more individuals in state run care homes. For a lot of the folks above, the truth is ignored as it does not fit with their tabloid / wikipedia view of the order of things.

Condoms in Africa. Again, utter ignorance. If anyone truly believes that the spread of AIDS in AFRICA is due to the Pope in Rome statin that contraception is against nature, then you are a fool. Why is it higher in those societies who have more traditional beliefs. Why is it lower in South American countries who have strong catholic identity?

The point is that the vitriol directed to the Cardinal's comments is largely done by those who dislike either:
1. Anything to do with the catholic church
2. Any possible limitation on the 'anything goes' liberalism that is so obviously contributing to the utopia in which we now apparently live.

The world is ok. I agree. But it could be better.
36

Allan Retentive,

04/07/2008 16:16:47
"Shrill". That pretty much sums up the tone of much of the debate here.

Some highlights.
- Cardinal O'Brien has facilitated child abuse;
- He's a "hypocrite";
- He's a "hatemonger religious bigot" (and Catholics are "bigot-followers";
- He's an "evil bully" who has "driven young gays to suicide"; and (this one's my favourite);
- He's "the very definition of evil".

I dunno. The cardinal has a duty to express the view of the Catholic church. You have a right to disagree with that view. But the extreme, intemperate and aggressive language you're using is just a childish attempt to suppress a viewpoint that's different to your own. So grow up.

PS: I'm sure the cardinal forgives you. Hope that gives you a lift ;)


37

I love to eat Sellotape,

04/07/2008 16:20:58
Do you want to know who the very definition of evil really is?

Do you?

DO YOU?

It's Michael Buerk.
38

Scythia,

Belgium 04/07/2008 18:15:25
Not quite the highest but the 4th highest behind, Sweden, England and Wales but catching up rapidly. 1 in 5 pregancies in Scotland annually are aborted - 10,000. Agreed it isn't necessarily a religious issue but a moral issue.I find the very idea that anyone can have a lunch time abortion shameful. Another interesting stat is 5000 women in the UK have had 4 or more abortions. Cardinal keep up the good work we are with you on this one.
39

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04/07/2008 18:32:09
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40

Ribbonman,

04/07/2008 18:43:50
This destruction of the unborn in the womb for social purposes is a crime against humanity.This sort of butchery is no different from Hitlers death camps. Where are all the other Christian leaders in all of this?Sitting on the fence as usual and letting the Catholic church take all the flack simply because they do not have the courage to defend the unborn. Shame on you church leaders! Well done to the Roman Catholic church for its stand against this barbarism. An unborn child is not a choice,its not like a pair of shoes that do not fit. The right to life is a basic human right. Those who carry out these killings are cowards picking on the weakest in our society I.E. the unborn.
41

Ribbonman,

04/07/2008 18:47:57
#33 You are the lucky one that your parents did not view you as "just a bunch of cells" YOU WOULD NOT BE TALKING THE NONSENSE THAT YOU ARE SPOUTING TO-DAY.
42

Ribbonman,

04/07/2008 18:54:25
#31 Koff....... Why dont you just grow up and stop behaving like a spoiled bigot. You are obviously a racist of the worst kind and an Idiot to boot!Get real,Idiot! Well done to the Cardinal,a man of courage,something that YOU would not know anything about.
43

Evia,

04/07/2008 19:05:36
Should the headline not read "Murder" on demand will be our most shameful decision?

The only acceptable reasons for abortion is a health risk or in the case of rape - lifestyle choices are not. Go to the following site and see just murderous the process is and, if you are a decent person, you should agree.

www.silentscream.org/video1.htm

If women don't want to have babies they should not be having sex and being drunk is no excuse.
44

Mikey,

04/07/2008 19:08:07
The cardinal has stated an opinion. Nothing more.

I don't like abortion but I can see when it could be justified. I don't try to force my opinions dowm a woman's throat like some do.

Abortion is not a problem in Scotland. If it was, you wouldn't see many numptie wee lassies pushing buggys around the place. Time to remove your rosaries from women's ovaries.
45

M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State...... Coatbridge 04/07/2008 19:22:35
Hey Mikey, You must be taking the mick here, the latest issue from the NHS means you take 2 pills; one in frornt of the doc which effectively "loosens everything"...the 2nd when the woman or girl feels ready. She has to carry a plastic bag or receptacle around for when the formed baby comes out. She has to keep it so they can check it is all there.

Some women have kept the baby in the fridge for weeks ...... but you won't get that in the press.

The problem is that there is a greater negative effect both physically and emotionally for the woman or girl; sometimes lasting for all their adult life, and we are only scratching the surface here.

The deeper issue is whether we as a society value life, or are we all expendable? That is the choice.
46

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 19:47:19

Well done to commentator's Ribbonman ~40.
.............and..........Evia ~43.

Maybe some don't fully understand the fact, that what was said by my comment re ~8.

A BABY IS A BABY, BEFORE 24weeks.!

She/He is a being, who has developed as a child to-be,

The new evidence now reveals a Baby at 20weeks can feel pain!

Maybe in the not to distant future, we will all fully understand the,...

'Barbarity' of what Abortion does'
47

is it me?,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 21:27:20
"...all flesh is grass".

Rudyard Kipling
48

Scotish Exile,

04/07/2008 22:25:23
#35
Quite frankly I couldn't give too hoots what the current church policy is, the fact is that your beloved catholic church for decades systematically encouraged the abuse of children by hushing up the abuse, moving peado priest to other areas to allow them to start their sordid acts all over again and ruin countless more young peoples lives, I repeat that is a "badge of shame"
49

Southern Cross,

05/07/2008 09:40:05
"How does that assertion square with the following report, published in this newspaper just a month ago"

13,163 -> 13,703 is a SMALL increase.

"An average of 38 per day"

In the whole of Scotland. QED it involves a SMALL FRACTION of women.

But right-wing newspapers (and Cardinals) would rather use emotive language such as "record" or "spiralling".
50

JT,

05/07/2008 12:39:01
When the church casts out their pedo priests and those who commit audultery with their parishoners and then turn round bleating on about said sins rather than hushing things up. Then perhaps they can comment on other social aspects of life, until then they can kept quiet. Since when so called celibate, single, men can understand what goes on with a woman??? Other men cant get us! Also stop pleading poverty, the catholic church is one of the worlds richest organisation, it just hids all the wealth in the vactican vaults
51

Matt there,

somewhere 05/07/2008 16:23:27
So a celibate comments on... Nah! Stupid, isn't it?
52

M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State..... Coatbridge 05/07/2008 22:12:51
#50 & #51
And the analogy is...the next time your dog is sick, don't send for the vet...send for another dog because it's only a dog that knows how a dog feels......isn't it ????
It menas we can't have someone like Tony Blair and politicians harping on about terrorism when we have state (our's that is)terrorism
53

Eve,

Scotland 06/07/2008 20:30:24
Abortion Laws should be tighter!!
I say this NOT just for the unborn babbies BUT their mothers too. Having an abortion effects the women both physicaly and mentaly.

It's somthing the would be mother will have to live with for the rest of their lifes.

I think it's discusting that some women have had more than 2 abortions. To have one is understandable as it's likely to under certain surcumsticeys to have to is unfourtunt BUT have 3 + is just plain irrisoninsibly and both partys inoved should deal with the actions. The message should be if you don't want to have a baby use contraspetion or don't have sex, to these people.

Abortion should only be used under certain circumstances, other wise it's like murdering your own child, out of plain selfisness.

 

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