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Published Date: 14 June 2009
FAR-reaching powers over the tax on Scottish home sales should be transferred from Westminster to Holyrood, a long-awaited report will recommend tomorrow.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that the Calman Commission, the independent body set up to examine Holyrood's powers, will call for Stamp Duty to be set by the Scottish Parliament.

Buyers of homes worth more than £500,000 could be hit hard, as Scottish ministers have indicated they would use the power to increase Stamp Duty at the luxury end of the market, adding thousands of pounds to the purchase of a house.

But first-time buyers and those bidding for middle-price homes could see a tax cut if the government is able to find the money to reduce Stamp Duty on cheaper properties.

The moves will form a key element of the Calman Commission's 300-page report, which will also call for Scottish ministers to be given substantial new powers over Scots' income tax rates. Both Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Conservative leader David Cameron are expected to support the commission, which was set up jointly by Labour, the Tories and the LibDems.

Under the proposal, receipts from Stamp Duty on property would be handed straight to Scottish ministers, and not to the UK Exchequer. It would then be up to MSPs to decide how tax should be levied.

The power to control Stamp Duty would give Scottish Ministers another lever over the wider Scottish economy, as rates can be used to stimulate the property market, and to alter the tax burden between the poor and the rich.

High-end estate agents said last night they were "terrified" that the devolution of Stamp Duty would lead to a tax-the-rich policy. Stamp Duty on homes above £500,000 is currently 4 per cent. If Scottish ministers increased that to 5 per cent, the tax on a half-million pound home would rise from £20,000 to £25,000.

Jamie McNab of Savills said: "That could discourage rich people from coming to Scotland with all the economic benefits that they bring. This would be a great opportunity to lower the rate, but it would terrify me if it were put up for higher value properties."

Other homebuilders backed the proposal, saying ministers could set rates of Stamp Duty that reflect the local market and income levels.

However, tax experts warned last night that ministers in Edinburgh would not be able to afford to cut Stamp Duty. Under the commission's proposals, the extra cash from Stamp Duty and income tax would be balanced by a cut in Westminster's block grant to Scotland.

Rhona Irving, the head of tax at PWC Scotland said: "You can say 'let's have lower tax rates' – that's great, but can you actually afford it? Public spending is high here, because we have a large public sector and that would all have to be paid for."

If it was devolved, the SNP could roll out its policy on Stamp Duty, which calls for the duty to be levied in bands in a similar way to income tax.

Currently, somebody buying a home valued at over £250,000 pays 3 per cent Stamp Duty on the entire cost of that property. Stamp Duty is levied at 1 per cent for properties between £175,000 and £250,000.

Under the SNP's proposals, only the part of the price above £250,000 would be priced at 3 per cent. So, for example, a house worth £300,000 would attract £2,250 Stamp Duty. Currently, a home buyer has to pay £9,000 in Stamp Duty for such a house. The cut would be paid for by massive increases in duty for the wealthy.

As well as backing new powers over tax, the Calman Commission tomorrow will also recommend a revolution in the relationship between Holyrood and Westminster.

The report will recommend that Holyrood and Westminster start working together more closely.

In an article for Scotland on Sunday today, former Labour leader Wendy Alexander – who proposed the Commission two years ago – claimed that the report would end the "blame Westminster" culture within Scottish politics.

A spokesman for external affairs and constitution minister Michael Russell last night refused to discuss the Stamp Duty issue, preferring to concentrate on whether the funding formula for Scotland will be reformed.

He said: "If the Barnett Formula is to be scrapped then the only acceptable alternative is full fiscal autonomy for Scotland."


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famous 15,

Edinburgh 14/06/2009 00:22:55
Full fiscal autonomy? Let's just have Independence and send a message of pride and worth to our younger generation. Do not presume for nasty political reasons that the SNP are incapable of understanding wealth generation and that they have the soul to achieve social balance!
2

Jerry Springer,

14/06/2009 00:36:44
#1 The SNP is incapable of understanding wealth generation.
3

Observer,,

Glasgow 14/06/2009 00:40:14
2 The Labour Party's idea of wealth creation is printing money.

I would say that demonstrates incapability and lack of understanding.
4

Willie Mor,

14/06/2009 00:41:58
What kind of 'commmision'is the Calman Commission when it is restricted from considering the option of fiscal independence.

a rigged review must come the answer, for that is all that it is.

Of course Calman is no more than a paid Unionist toadie of restricted academic ability.

"yes, I will hear the evidence, but only some of it before I give the little people a pronouncement" says the paid buffoon.
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 14/06/2009 00:45:24

If one can afford such vasts of money for a house, the Tax is a pittance compared to the initial outlay, I see none the problem of this Tax Proposal.



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frank mcbride,

lusitania 14/06/2009 00:47:51
The proposals, so far "leaked", from the Calman Commission change nothing.

This is, simply, an arrangement of the of the seats and tables in the dining room; the numbers, however remain the same.

This is a variation of NuLabour's "smoke and mirrors".

The SG will continue to have no control over revenue - it will have no ability to vary IT asymetrically, and it will have no control of borrowing for major projects; the Westminster Treasury will retain the final say.

These proposals are worse than those already in place.
7

nabodican,

Newton Stewart 14/06/2009 00:48:44
Stamp duty is a rip off full stop! It should be scrapped totally.
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 14/06/2009 00:52:37

nabodican ~7,

Agreed!, It money for less than 'old-rope'!

9

colin, crombie,

Fife 14/06/2009 01:11:02
neither is 'Holyrood about to set a tax levy on house sales' as the headline suggests, or is the Calman 'review' 'long awaited'.....
10

Iainbroch,

14/06/2009 01:19:16
Snzzzzzzzzzzz!
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Evia,

14/06/2009 01:24:19
#5 Charles

Well said.

It is disgusting that some people can afford to pay these prices for houses when other people are struggling to get one foot on the property ladder.

Anyway, just wait until we are totally governed by the EU because people are not bothering to find out what it really means for us. The EU will hit us with taxes for owning houses and I would hope that it will tax according to value, which the local councils don't do at the moment. People in my street are in the same tax band as I am although they have added extensions and garages to their properties, which were already bigger than mine.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 14/06/2009 02:30:41
Stamp duty devolved is a good idea. £6.9 billion raised in England , for England to spend as she sees fit, £250 million raised in scotland to spend as it wishs, no need to divide said sum under barnett formula of which scotlands share would of been £710 million, I take that as a £460 million win for England.
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StoneRoses,

Oil Rig. 14/06/2009 06:16:31
#12. Is Scotland not a 'she'?
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14/06/2009 07:39:46
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David MacVicar,

web 14/06/2009 07:45:35
More drivel about this fakey and useless 'commision to review'

Eddie Barnes southern viewpoint is that the report is 'long awaited'. AKA the report is late and long overdue. We will be on the edge of our seats preparing to vomit from the guff coming out of this 'report'. Calmans every breath reeks union halitosis!

The fowl stench of the report will be examined by the ever supportive unionist press trying to give this report some kind of authority.

Calman will not be 'giving' any powers to Scotland.
They will be ignored by the majority of Scots despite the efforts of a their lackeys in the Press. The Scottish government may allow some form of what this unemected, unrepresentative cabal is propoising as an option but thats a big IF.

What is not an IF is that we will shortly have a referendum. The unionist argument is to avoid to debate about independence at all. Ignorance is unionist bliss after all.

Sovereign Scotland will not be 'allowed', it will TAKE powers back, carpe diem style, during a referendum. Maybe even a democratic one this time?

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14/06/2009 07:48:49
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David MacVicar,

14/06/2009 07:52:40
My bad.. should be 'foul' above but fowl fits pretty well ;-)
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Jerry Springer,

14/06/2009 08:02:04
3 Observer,,Glasgow 14/06/2009 00:40:14
2 The Labour Party's idea of wealth creation is printing money.
I would say that demonstrates incapability and lack of understanding.
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Yes Observer you are correct.

It demonstrates YOUR lack of understanding.

Quantitative Easing has been conducted in response to the the current economic world recession (did you know there was one on?) which the UK is leading the world out of (according to the OECD and NIESR - 2 bodies which you will no doubt rubbish as you do with all these informed bodies who disagree with your narrow political and economic outlooks).

Quantitative easing has been undertaken by Japan, the USA and the EU. Canada will be soon to follow. All following the UK's lead.

All 9 members of the MPC backed Brown and Darling's quantitative easing plan. No doubt you will also rubbish the MPC.

I fully expect you will also and start harping on about the Weimar Republic, something which was confined to the economic dustbin a long time ago and bears no resemblence to what happens today.

Does your tunnel vision come naturally to you, or do you have to work at it?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 14/06/2009 08:02:28
Mere window dressing for Scots by Calman
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Jerry Springer,

14/06/2009 08:08:39
14 Alternative Journalism,14/06/2009 07:39:46

How much oil and gas revenue did England contribute to the Barnett formula?
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Yes its Scotland's Oil.

You sound like the SNP of the 70's.

What next?

Don't forget 'they'll never take our Freedom'.

(to quote that famous Scot Mel Gibson 1995)!
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The Tin Man,

14/06/2009 08:13:22
#21 Jerry

Don't be daft - oil revenue is for subsidising the EU.
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Mikey,

14/06/2009 08:13:44
#19, did you think up all this drivel yourself, or, being a unionist, did you stop thinking years ago and now just repeat what you're told to repeat?

Get a backbone man and think for yourself!
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 14/06/2009 08:21:38
According to the 2006/2007 GERS the total revenue raised in Scotland was £49,915 million, the Scottish Government was given a budget of £35 billion to work with.

That means that £14,915 million was retained by Westminster to cover reserved matters.

If you allowed Westminster to keep VAT (£7,449 million)
and National Insurance Contribution (£7,464 million) with all other tax revenue devolved to Scotland you end up with a pretty sensible split of revenue based on making both governments budgets match their revenue sources.

A sensible solution that did not require a £500,000 committee.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 14/06/2009 08:22:02
Alternative Journalism,14/06/2009 07:39:46

Is correct:-

"How much oil and gas revenue did England contribute to the Barnett formula? How about the revenue on spirits? textiles?"


Devolved Stamp Duty is a Pig In A Poke.

The Calman, Muppet Commission prove that they are indeed an instrument of the unionist conspiracy against Scotland's aspirations.

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Jerry Springer,

14/06/2009 08:30:22
23 Mikey,14/06/2009 08:13:44
#19, did you think up all this drivel yourself, or, being a unionist, did you stop thinking years ago and now just repeat what you're told to repeat?
Get a backbone man and think for yourself!
================================================

Mikey is Scotland's equivalent of the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz.

If he only had a brain.




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dhu loch,

inveraray 14/06/2009 08:33:57
In the middle of a credit squeese and house price slump they come up with this?I wasn't too sure about Calman in the first place,but the whole excercise seems like a waste of time and money.
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14/06/2009 08:40:52
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letmein,

hinterland 14/06/2009 08:44:04
Jerry Springer really is lord foolks
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thinking,

Scotland 14/06/2009 08:44:44
#11
You are saying that someone who improves their property should be charged more tax.
That means that if two people have the same income (paying the same tax) and same size house, if one chooses to spend their money on holidays etc and the other on improving their home, under your plan the second one would be charged tax for spending his money in a different way.
That's the 'he's got more than me syndrome and I don't want him to have more than me so I'll take it away'.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 14/06/2009 08:44:47
The Calman Commission on Scottish Devolution:-

Sir Kenneth Calman chairman of commission, chancellor of Glasgow University.

Colin Boyd, former Lord Advocate, LABOUR PEER.

Rani Dhir, director of Drumchapel Housing Co-operative.

James Douglas Hamilton, former Scottish Office Minister, and CONSERVATIVE PEER.

Professor Sir David Edward, retired Judge of the European Court.

Lord Elder, LABOUR PEER.

Audrey Findlay, former Leader of Aberdeenshire Council, now convener of the Scottish Liberal Democrats.

Jamie Lindsay, former Scottish Office Minister, chairman of Scottish Agricultural College and CONSERVATIVE PEER.

John Loughton, president of the Scottish Youth Parliament (serving in a personal capacity).

Murdoch MacLennan, chief executive, Telegraph Media Group.

Shonaig Macpherson, chairwoman of the National Trust for Scotland and Scottish Council Development and Industry.

Iain McMillan, director, CBI Scotland.

Mona Siddiqui, Professor of Islamic Studies, Glasgow University.

Matt Smith, Scottish Secretary, Unison.

Jim Wallace, former Deputy First Minister as leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, now a LIBDEM PEER.


The list includes 2 SIRS, 5 PEERS and someone from "BIG BROTHER".

Hands up anyone who thinks that this lot have the credentials or the authority to advise on our country's future.





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14/06/2009 08:46:54
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Jerry Springer,

14/06/2009 08:48:04
31 letmein,hinterland 14/06/2009 08:44:04
Jerry Springer really is lord foolks
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Whats your address?

I want to send you a Freedom of Information Request.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

14/06/2009 08:50:10
This Calman report should go straight to landfill.

Independence will do nicely!!
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Jerry Springer,

14/06/2009 08:52:34
11 Evia,14/06/2009 01:24:19
People in my street are in the same tax band as I am although they have added extensions and garages to their properties, which were already bigger than mine.
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DEAR OH DEAR!

The politics of envy at work.

Evia, your post makes even Mikey's post look semi-intelligent.

Anyone wanting to improve their house and indeed their life should be penalised to the hilt just so that people who live in hovels like you can pay less tax.

Do us all a favour and move to Cuba.
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Jerry Springer,

14/06/2009 08:53:08
Good morning Jimmy Le Petition.

Whats the news with you?
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letmein,

hinterland 14/06/2009 09:01:12
Jerry Springer---
Touch a sore spot did I.
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Jerry Springer,

14/06/2009 09:04:08
39 letmein,hinterland 14/06/2009 09:01:12
Jerry Springer---
Touch a sore spot did I.
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How could you have?

You have never posted before.

Unless of course you posted under a different moniker above, to which my response would be 'You blew it'.
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letmein,

hinterland 14/06/2009 09:07:24
Yes I posted under a different moniker as I was kicked off for commenting on Rufus tee Flyswat or the creature from the black lagoon or Jerry Springbok, call him what you like.
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TWC,

exLabour 14/06/2009 09:19:04
Jerry, you are a poodle; this Calman is just an attempt to fob off the Nats and has failed to do what Wendy wanted it to do.
It was possible that it could have produced positive reasons for the Union but by avoiding the Fiscal Autonomy question it has shown itself to be a farce.

All it has done is publish what Brown said in the very first week.
We will eventually get Independence when it was not necessary.
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14/06/2009 09:21:06
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 14/06/2009 09:24:55
#2 Jerry Springer

Poor predictable Jerry, you didn't even read the article elsewhere on this site about the 4, 000 jobs boost for the Scottish economy brought about by Scottish Development International. I also seem to recall you complaining that Alex Salmond had opened a business park in Kircaldy which could bring thousands of jobs. In fact, your response was:

"Isn't it amazing how Mr Salmond has so much free time on his hands to attend all these openings? Never a day goes by without him opening some bridge, some building or launching a ferry service.

Quite amazing really.

Maybe being a First Minister is not really a full time job."

Pathetic really. But then I suppose you ran out of real arguments a long time ago.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

14/06/2009 09:25:27
"High-end estate agents said last night they were "terrified" that the devolution of Stamp Duty would lead to a tax-the-rich policy. Stamp Duty on homes above £500,000 is currently 4 per cent. If Scottish ministers increased that to 5 per cent, the tax on a half-million pound home would rise from £20,000 to £25,000."

Rich people or those who are desperate to impress their peers by flaunting symbols of apparent wealth are..."TERRIFIED" at the possibility of a 1% increase in the cost of a once in a blue moon purchase???

This 'news' comes to us from the very people who were not so long ago advising clients, that a bid of 10-15% above the asking price, was necessary to ensure a realistic chance of buying a house.
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14/06/2009 09:25:31
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14/06/2009 09:27:44
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Jim A,

14/06/2009 09:29:10
#11 Evia,, "Well said.

It is disgusting that some people can afford to pay these prices for houses when other people are struggling to get one foot on the property ladder."

That's a bit unfair, not all of those people were born into money. Some of those people worked very hard to get what they have now. Why should they be punished for being sucessfull?

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Jimmy Le Pie,

14/06/2009 09:30:52
Fitlike Rufus,

how are you doing???

I'm surprised there have not been any opinion polls on the latest 'Broon Bounce'??



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noswod,

Honestas 14/06/2009 09:32:28
We are on our way to Iceland ! easy easy easy. Aw the SNP knows what to do is spend cash if faced with the prospect of matching income with revenue then it wid borrow the difference untill the banks widny lend any mair probably independence plus three days. Aye Jockies we are aw going tae tak a very big haircut when the Barnett formula dies get aw yer money affshore quickly.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

14/06/2009 09:41:49
Is there not a bit of 'jumping the gun' with this article??

Usual New Labour Sleaze press release!!

Comrade Damien McBride must be pulling the strings again??
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 14/06/2009 09:55:11
noswod,Honestas 14/06/2009 09:32:28

I have said before that your writing style is as ludicrous as its content.


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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 14/06/2009 10:01:27
#49 Jimmy le Pie

There is an interesting opinion poll in the Times regarding the Brown bounce, or belly-flop, entitled "Brown debacle puts SNP ahead":

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6493773.ece


#2, Jerry Springer,

I thought you might be interested in this article about £200m of contracts being placed with Scottish firms. It might help you get over your blindspot.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8097181.stm
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bumpkin,

14/06/2009 10:05:16
stamp duty should be scrapped along with the calman commision.
A graduated land tax is the answer.
Tax the value annually of the land the house sits on , regardless of size or extensions on the house.
This will prevent another speculative housing bubble.
Sporting estates will also be taxed under this system, as currently they pay no tax.
Any estate over 1000 acres should be taxed till they are broken up.
Al Fayad etc pay no tax on their highland estates, as do the thousands of others hiding behind trusts.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

14/06/2009 10:05:39
Hmmm . . .

Is it me or does J. Springer esq have a decided 'Labour Bent' (kyuk kyuk) about him?

Hoy Mr springer, are you happy that the TOP men in our Government (Broon, Mandy) are unelected people? Or that, according to the Times Mandy is getting his own Question Time in the HoL?

Commie Democracy in action!!
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

14/06/2009 10:06:38
#'s 2&3

Here's a clip on the creation of money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YurhFvPy14
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bumpkin,

14/06/2009 10:10:14
oh, i forgot, and second homes to pay twice the tax, and 3rd homes 3x and so on. Eradicate the word"landlord" from scotland.
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Barney Thomson,

Reading 14/06/2009 10:29:56
This is a devious proposal. The Conservatives are likely to come to power in the UK soon with a solid majority and could remain in power for many yearsand a sizeable number of Conservatives are in favour of the abolition of a number of taxes on property and private wealth,including stamp duty. We can imagine the political situation if they go ahead with these changes in England and Wales only. The only sensible way to go about this is to devolve responsibility for all taxes so that strategic fiscal decisions can be made
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W Smith,

Middle East 14/06/2009 10:51:23
The secret is out.

Wee fat a**e Salmond is earning the same as Australia's Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at USD 230,000.

FOR DOING WHAT EXACTLY?

His wee nyaff side kick Sturgeon let the cat out of the bag when she said Holyrood didn't have all the "levers" to address Scotland's economy.

Well if that's the case why pay Salmond the same money as the Prime Minister of Australia.

BTW
Mr Rudd comes in at no 10 in the top ten list of highest paid leaders. Thats excluding the oil rich Sheiks and other leaders of countries that are less transparent.
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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 10:51:44
"High-end estate agents said last night they were "terrified" that the devolution of Stamp Duty would lead to a tax-the-rich policy."

Sounds like win-win to me.

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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 10:58:52
61
W Smith

"Mr Rudd comes in at no 10 in the top ten list of highest paid leaders. Thats excluding the oil rich Sheiks and other leaders of countries that are less transparent."

So it's not number 10 at at all and can only be made to look as if it is by manipulating the figures.
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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 11:01:40
61
W Smith

"Well if that's the case why pay Salmond the same money as the Prime Minister of Australia."

While I agree that Salmond probably deserves to be better remunerated for the excellent job he is doing, I doubt very much that he would accept any increase at this time.

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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 11:09:20
All these "proposals" from the unionists' Calman Commission are no more than a Canutian effort to prevent the inevitable, ie the full fiscal autonomy that comes with independence.

The need for full fiscal autonomy has long been recognised by those of us not ideologically committed to the anachronism of the union. And each stop-gap measure simply makes it more obvious to more people that nothing short of full fiscal autonomy will suffice.

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KampungHighlander,

14/06/2009 11:14:26
#61 W Smith

"Salmond is earning the same as Australia's Prime Minister Kevin Rudd...Mr Rudd comes in at no 10 in the top ten list of highest paid leaders."

Aye, but I am sure that non of them have Mr. Salmonds wit or charm.
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 14/06/2009 11:27:47
We seem to be having a continuous leak of "findings" from Calman. It seems the PM's Office is leaking information to the Scottish Press.

Perhaps they want to increase the profile of Calman and at the same time try an undermine the SNP.

I don't think it's working. Everything they come up with just begs the question: "if they will allow us this, why not just give us the whole bl@@dy lot, and Scotland can have Full Fiscal Independence"

Westminster wants to give Scotland crumbs in dribs and drabs in order to keep us in the union so they can rape Scottish resources. Calman is just a mechanism for Westminster to do this.

Labour in Westminster is trying to find just how far they must go in order to win back Scottish votes. The answer: FAR FURTHER THAN THEY CAN IMAGINE.

The Labour Party in Scotland will only ever recover when there is a independent Scottish Labour Party in an Independent Scotland.
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Jerry Springer,

14/06/2009 11:30:08
#66

And I am sure none of them have Salmond's smug, supercilious, sneering, self satisfied and arrogant qualities either.
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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 11:45:16
68
Jerry Springer

Alex Salmond has a lot to be satisfied about. And he only appears smug and arrogant because he wipes the floor with your unionist masters with such consummate ease.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

14/06/2009 11:48:01
#68

"smug, supercilious, sneering, self satisfied and arrogant qualities"

Yes Jerry, you have them all!

Angling for a pay rise?
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c.u jimmy,

glasgow 14/06/2009 11:53:07
Evia 11 Maybe your neighbours decided to put there money into improving there property,instead of smoking boozing foreign holidays ,giving employment to local tradesman instead of doon the pub.maybe a wee bit jealously creeping in.
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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 12:02:28
70
The Col. of Monte Cristo

Don't know about you, but I find it very difficult to think about the likes of Iain Gray without sneering. That top lip just naturally curls in response to such odiousness.

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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 12:11:21
67
For Scotlands Future

"...why not just give us the whole bl@@dy lot..."

Let us be perfectly clear about this. Nobody is "giving" us anything. They are trying to prevent us taking more than they are prepared to part with.

Scotland's independence is not in the gift of Westminster. It is ours to take.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

14/06/2009 12:28:32
#72 Electric Hermit

Indeed they do tend to ones flesh crawl.

I was forced to shake one of their hands some years back...very cold to the touch - almost reptilian.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 14/06/2009 12:46:27
Why don't they just scrap stamp duty altogether?

Government needs to get back to basics - small, cost effective, dynamic, non-meddling Government that supplies the only the essential services but does it extremely well.

We have 5 million civil servants throughout the country -- What do they all do !!??

Made up jobs in made up departments ! Paper merry go rounds and endless red tape!

If Scotland goes its own way it would do well to kill Labour's monster sized Government and replace it with something much smaller and faster and just deal with resulting high unemployment by getting rid of 'politics of envy' taxes to stimulate the 'real' economy to create 'real' jobs !
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Ian C,

Fife 14/06/2009 12:57:26
I know Jerry Springer from a past life. His real name is Mr A S Whole.

He needs to get a life. Maybe it is Jim Murphy in drag.
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livilion,

livingston 14/06/2009 13:00:08
High end estate agents are 'terrified' that £25k on the price of a £500k house will deter house buyers from buying houses in Scotland. What, even if they would be in far higher amenity areas than they currently pay umpteen times more for than they would here?
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livilion,

livingston 14/06/2009 13:04:07
75 Voldemort,
Seems like we heard something similar to what you propose when banking regulation was being reformed by Honest Tony and his big clunking Chancellor's New Labour.
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Mèths,

14/06/2009 13:04:32
Still can't post using Firefox. Back to Chrome with the really annoying adverts.

Afternoon all.
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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 13:06:38
75
Voldemort

"We have 5 million civil servants throughout the country -- What do they all do !!??

Made up jobs in made up departments ! Paper merry go rounds and endless red tape!"

You don't know what they do. But you have convinced yourself they are all "made up jobs in made up departments".

You really need to learn to distinguish between beliefs founded on ill-informed prejudice and real factual knowledge.

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livilion,

livingston 14/06/2009 13:18:07
#67 For Scotlands Future

You've nearly got it, the whole idea of devolution in the eyes of the Whitehall faithfull and their fellow travellers is to delay Scottish self reliance until there's nothing left here for them to lose.

Either that, or maybe they are so desperate to give us 'their' money that they will resort to any amount of disinformation and underhand scullduggery to ensure we get as much of their cash as they can possibly throw at us.
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Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 14/06/2009 14:57:29
""the Calman Commission, the independent body""

Shurelly some mistake here!
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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 15:07:55
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Rob Royston

"Shurelly some mistake here!"

Indeed! Whatever else the Calman Commission may be it is certainly not independent. It is a creature of the BLP/Tory/LibDem alliance. If it was independent then its terms of reference would not exclude any of the options available to the people of Scotland when we come to decide our future.

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john calvin,

14/06/2009 15:41:04
#5 and 11. Spoken like true socialists. Why should people who study hard, work hard and end up making more money not be allowed to enjoy their success without the fear of ever increasing taxes. In any event, the wealthy already pay the lion's share of taxes. Tax success and you will have no success in the country. Remember the 70s and the wealth tax ? What a disaster that was. Like it or not, success creates jobs, wealth and opportunity, and should be encouraged as far as reasonably possible. Sounds like you want to pull eberyone down to your modest level. You only live once and why would anyone want that - even you ? Scotland's future is looking bleak under the left wing tendencies of the SNP. As for independence if we already had that we would right now be totally broke. Remember who stepped in and bailed out RBS and HBOS thus saving tens of thousands of jobs - the UK Govt. Forget this independence nonsense. I don't need a bunch of overpaid under achieving losers in Holyrood to determine my future or nationality.
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john calvin,

14/06/2009 15:45:15
#69, you fool. Salmond is smug and arrogant as he can rely on the shortsighted ignorant support of clowns such as yourself. Wake up, and get in the real world. I suspect you are a nationalist only because you expect your life to be taken care of by Scotland's oil wealth or some other misguided preconception.
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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 15:52:29
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john calvin

"I suspect you are a nationalist only because you expect your life to be taken care of..."

I can take care of myself, thanks. Who has the unenviable task of being your carer?

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 14/06/2009 16:18:33
#85, John Calvin.

I see from your comments that you are a free-market libertarian.

You are a mouthpiece of that evil that has been sent among us to help us realise that greed is, indeed, a primeval instinct that is destructve to both the commonweal, and the individual.

The spleen vented in your comments displays a total disregard for you fellow man and you belief inthe pursuit of personal wealth, regardless of its affects on others.

Sir, your attitude is strikingly similar to that of the "robber barons".
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Electric Hermit,

14/06/2009 16:27:13
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frank mcbride

I think you may be taking john calvin a bit too seriously. He strikes me as someone who could do no better than react with spluttering incomprehension to Tawney's famous quote,

"Few tricks of the unsophisticated intellect are more curious than the naive psychology of the business man, who ascribes his achievements to his own unaided efforts, in bland unconciousness of a social order without whose continuous support and vigilant protection he would be as a lamb bleating in the desert."

R. H. Tawney - "Religion and the Rise of Capitalism"

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Alathea,

14/06/2009 17:34:22
This headline is a bit of a misnomer. It appears the Calman Commission is suffering from delusions of grandeur by assuming its findings will actually see the light of day. Does this demonstrate a stitch-up.
As for that John Calvin fellows comments, Scotlands future is looking more assured with every new poll that comes out.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

14/06/2009 18:21:39
Just read am article in the Sunday Times. It's easy to see why Comrade Broon does not want an election.

"Labour is already haemorrhaging financial support at a time when it should be amassing an election war chest. It is now clear that Brown has failed to retain the wealthy backers so successfully wooed by Tony Blair. Brown’s leadership is a key factor in the decision of other tycoons neither to lend nor give cash to the party.

Another generous supporter, who would not be named, said he will not contribute again while Brown remains leader and that he should resign.

“Gordon is a political liability and I think it would be far better for the party if he stood down to give us a fighting chance at the election,” he said. “I will give no more money to Labour while he is leading it.”


So we're not alone in thinking Comrade Broon is a clown!

Just watch the manoeuvring to get state funding of political parties!!
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Boab1,

14/06/2009 18:38:45
I've only just arrived on this thread and haven't read through all the posts so sorry if I'm repeating anything. My question is 'Who's going to collect this?' When LIT was floated we were told that it would be virtually impossible for this to be collected and the Inland Revenue actually claimed they would not collect it. So obviously, as with LIT, this would result in different tax regimes in Scotland than England and therefore is a non-starter.
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The Scotchman,

14/06/2009 18:46:09
12. The Answer is a troll. We see you constantly writing England as "England" and Scotland as "scotland". Go away.
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Jimbo2,

14/06/2009 22:07:48
#86 - John Calvin

"I suspect you are a nationalist only because you expect your life to be taken care of by Scotland's oil wealth or some other misguided preconception."

Pray tell us JC, what do you suspect made people Nationalists before Scotland's oil was discovered.

BTW - I,m pleased you acknowledge that it's Scotland's oil.
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Evia,

14/06/2009 22:45:18
#32 thinking

Well, you are obviously not thinking because I didn't say mention people having exactly the same cirumstances but having different priorities. Think before you write next time.

We could all think that we shouldn't have to pay this, that or whatever but greed is one of man's worst vices and greedy individuals should be discouraged from taking everything and giving nothing.
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Evia,

14/06/2009 22:54:35
#85 john calvin

I am no Socialist and believe that one should work and not choose to live on benefits, paid for by us taxpayers. However, I do believe that not all wealth is got by a doing fair day's work for a fair day's pay and many people are vastly overpaid for shuffling bits of paper around. For many of these people, a hard day's work is thinking about what they will have when they go out for a business? lunch.

When I referred to people living in the same street with vastly differnt sizes of houses, perhaps I should have said that, when Council tax first was thrust upon us, people who lived in 5 apt semi-detached houses were put into the same tax band as 3 apt terraced, as were 4 apt terraced. This was without these properties having had extensions etc added. If you believe that to be fair, you are probably one of those greedy individuals who think it fair to grab as much as you can and to Hell with everyone else. Could it be that you are one of the scumbag bankers who think it fair to rip-off the customers? I pay more in council tax than someone in a 3 apt tenement property in the same street and don't complain because that is as it should be.

There is too much greed in the world today. People should be rewarded for working hard but they should not be getting £thousands more for doing pretty ordinary jobs. Everyone who does a fair day's work is contributing to society but we should not be taking out more than we put in.



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Evia,

14/06/2009 23:12:52
#48 Jim A

I did not say that people should be punished for success but too many people are taking everything and are not willing to give anything. Many of the people with money don't deserve to have so much because they have not worked hard for it. What about that scumbag Fred Goodwin? He certainly doesn't deserve the £millions he got and will still be getting.

There has to be a system or rewards for hard work but there should not be such a big divide between the cleaner and the company director because the cleaner is a very important person if he/she does the job well. If there were no cleaners, working conditions would be disgusting.

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Evia,

14/06/2009 23:30:13
#71 c.u jimmy

Evia 11 Maybe your neighbours decided to put there money into improving there property,instead of smoking boozing foreign holidays ,giving employment to local tradesman instead of doon the pub.maybe a wee bit jealously creeping in

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Jealousy is one of the 7 deadly sins, along with greed and the others.

I don't smoke, drink, play bingo, gamble but I do sometimes go on holiday. I don't have to feel jealous of anyone because there are lots of things in their lives I wouldn't want anyway. I have a wonderful family so what more could I want except good health?

My neighbours do smoke, drink, play bingo and go on holiday but that doesn't alter the fact that people in vastly different houses should be taxed accordingly because, in many cases, they obviously can afford this.
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Evia,

14/06/2009 23:45:24
#37 Jerry Springer

Were you always such a loathsome ba*tard or did you have to work at it?

I do not live in a hovel and have no wish to move to Cuba. I suggest you go there yourself and we will be well rid of you.
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Barney Thomson,

Reading 14/06/2009 23:52:41
#61 W Smith

So do I. It's not uncommon. I am happy to contribute my taxes to the commonwealth and the charitable donations I make are, quite rightly, relieved at the higher rate of tax. Though, I am not sure that I would give as much to charity as the the person you describe so childishly.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 14/06/2009 23:58:49
From Resident Unionist-"And I am sure none of them have Salmond's smug, supercilious, sneering, self satisfied and arrogant qualities either."

Why would anyone post such a thing about the most popular politician in UK?

Surely the weekend is over and it is time for Gerry Springer to report back to institution?
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Electric Hermit,

15/06/2009 00:59:13
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Jimmy Fae the West

"Why would anyone post such a thing about the most popular politician in UK"

Because he is the most popular politician in the UK - at the very least. Salmond scares the krap out of ideological unionists.



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Alan B,

15/06/2009 01:07:28
The Calman commission is a joke.

It was reported in an other paper that there is a big split over this proposal to only give alittle fiscal devolution with other reported wanting much more. However these voices have now been gagged. That is a disgrace.

The whole thing looks like a total shambles.

It is noticable the one thing the snp wanted to do was lower corporation tax to try to reverse our continually slow economic growth. But Calman has refused to devolve this obvious tax. And one someone would actually want to change that means something.



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Alan B,

15/06/2009 01:10:16
The thing that make calman such a bad thing for scotland is; we have had historically low economic growth. Westminster has failed to deal with this and failed to address it. Even brown refused to do anything to improve the scottish economy.

As such it makes sense to devolve economic tools. It is thee most important thing.

So calman chooses to devolve a bit more income tax and a few minor taxes. Nothing that could be used to help the economy. It is daft. It is a sell out of scotland.

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SassyC,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 01:29:45
68:

Why the personal attack? Sounds like jealousy to me! Are you a back seat wannabe politician or do you envy all charismatic people!! Alex Salmond has done very well to be where he is and is not the despicable person you make him out to be. Have you ever spent any time in the man's company - No, probably not!!!
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Evia,

15/06/2009 02:06:01
105 SassyC

Take out Alex Salmond and #68, Jerry Springer, could have been describing himself - smug, supercilious, sneering, self satisfied and arrogant.
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SassyC,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 02:52:27
106: Evia, couldn't agree more. Too often the things we abhor in other people are really the things we are guilty of ourselves! If the cap fits, wear it.......
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Highland Property Bubble,

Inverness 21/06/2009 00:09:24
How about 25% stamp duty on parasites who buy property as buy-to-let investments?

 

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