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Published Date: 23 February 2009
DUMPED next to a communal black bin, an abandoned three-piece suite sits catching rain.
Lying next to it is a broken wooden shelving unit and a smashed-up chest of drawers.

For those living on this Fountainbridge street, it is unfortunately an all-too-common sight.

It is among masses of unwanted household furniture which lies in unruly piles on Edinburgh's street corners, near bins or often strewn across pavements.

And there are increasing concerns that the problem has escalated out of control and may only get worse.

The council last week increased its charges for uplifts of bulky items by 15 per cent and opposition politicians believe even more people may now simply dump unwanted goods and take the risk of being caught, instead of paying the fee.

Residents, councillors and community groups living in many of the city's most notorious fly- tipping hotspots fear that Edinburgh could become one enormous rubbish dump if something is not done to curb the problem once and for all.

Roland Reid, secretary of Leith Central Community Council, said: "This has been a major problem for the last couple of years now.

"Fly-tipping is unsightly and it can be a health hazard. More importantly, it sets a precedent in an area that it is OK to do this.

"Often, if rubbish is dumped, you'll find that even more appears."

It was in August 2007 that the council scrapped its policy of doing all uplifts for free.

If people had large items they needed to get rid of – such as fridges, beds and sideboards – they were entitled to the first removal of up to six items free, but then had to pay £17.20 for any further uplifts.

That was later increased to £20, but the first free uplift still remained.

Following last week's budget setting, any residents wishing the council to take away items now have to pay £23, but will still be able to take advantage of the first free removal.

The introduction of uplift fees sparked a wave of criticism across the city two years ago amid fears of fly-tipping.

There are now renewed calls for all charges to be scrapped as more and more abandoned sofas appear.

The city's Labour leader, Councillor Andrew Burns, said he frequently passed large, unsightly piles of dumped furniture in his ward – much of which can sit for many days.

He said: "I believe the problem of fly-tipping has got worse since the uplift charges were introduced, and particularly over the last 12 months.

"There is no question that the problem downgrades an area and people certainly find it depressing. It's not good for the general feel of a neighbourhood.

"It is almost as though residents have the worst of both worlds – one free uplift but then a big charge for the second one. Uplifts should either be free or at a minimal cost."

Residents living in areas where fly-tipping has become increasingly common – particularly Dalry, Gorgie, Fountainbridge and Leith – have told of their anger at passing rubbish on a daily basis.

Ian McDougall, 75, of Liberton Brae, passes rubbish piling up on land at Goods Corner in Liberton most days, which now includes a settee that is understood to have been thrown over the wall a fortnight ago.

He said: "It makes me feel so angry – fly-tipping just looks so unsightly in our neighbourhoods."

Councillor Robert Aldridge, the council's environment leader, stressed that the authority was one of only a few across Scotland to offer a free bulk uplift service and said that all political parties supported the introduction of uplift charging for further collections.

He said: "We take fly-tipping very seriously and will take the strongest action against those who do not dispose of their rubbish responsibly. It is vital that people understand that fly-tipping is a crime, punishable by a fine of up to £2500."

He said that satisfaction with street cleaning city-wide had risen to 70 per cent and the council had achieved its best-ever independent rating for street cleanliness.


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  • Last Updated: 23 February 2009 10:32 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Environment
 
1

allknowing,

23/02/2009 12:01:13
"Following last week's budget setting, any residents wishing the council to take away items now have to pay £23, but will still be able to take advantage of the first free removal."

Seems ok to me.

Almost all electrical retailers will remove your old appliance for you, so do DFS when it comes to sofas etc. If your throwing that much away, then rent a white van for 1/2 day and go to the skip.
2

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 23/02/2009 12:25:44
Take a tour of the city and you will see trash like this lying everywhere.
3

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 23/02/2009 12:38:01
What are we all paying so much Council Tax for?

We will all be paying more and more CT for less and less Council 'services'.

Still, I suppose they've got to get that £80 million for the trams from somewhere.

4

Xena - Warrior Princess,

23/02/2009 12:51:03
#3 Peter I agree with you, West Lothian gives their council tax payers 3 free uplifts, why can't Edinburgh? No wonder a lot of people dump their stuff.
5

Yabanci,

Lasswade 23/02/2009 13:05:09
At £23 it would be cheaper to have a courier deliver it somewhere. How about "City Chambers, High Street, Edinburgh, EH1 1YJ". Mark it "Gift".
6

totally indecent,

23/02/2009 13:11:44
Like everything our beloved council does it could have been handled better. The charge was brought in because some people were abusing the free uplifts with up to 20 a year. Why not just penalise these people? Why continue to uplift from the same address 20 times? Beggars belief.
7

Noodle doodle,

23/02/2009 13:13:19
This presumes that the dumpers are smart enough to know the council will uplift bulky items in the first place, free or not

We often have mattresses and cupboard doors lying about ou stair because the dopes who put them out think they will somehow get taken away by magic (until the first person in the stair cracks and sellotapes a curt note about standard removal practices to it)
8

Bling Crosby,

Edinburgh 23/02/2009 13:23:45
i live in Polwarth and every day there is a sofa, mattress, oven, tv, cabinet dumped in the street. It is a disgrace.

The area has become a joke - it is being ruined by lazy, drugged up poor people with their guard dogs going around thinking they can do as they please leaving their rubbish in the street and letting their dog's foul wherever it wants.

These tinks need to get a job and show some repsonsibility. People living on benefits are horrible.
9

The Baker,

23/02/2009 13:30:53
1allknowing

If your throwing that much away, then rent a white van for 1/2 day and go to the skip.

There is a charge of £85 to take a white van in to the tip
10

Iowa Gal,

USA 23/02/2009 13:53:52
What to do with rubbish is a common problem everywhere...one thing our small town does is charge each resident an extra $5 and the city will come around on a specific day and pick anything you put out. One of the benefits to this is because the day is specified some of the less fortunate residents have an opportunity to bring things home that others have thrown out which reduces the cities cost and not everyone will have things to curb so it reduces the cost one particular person may have to pay...example a young family with several small children will have more than perhaps an elderly woman.

Another town has a "spring cleanup" where a church or other business will allow the city to set up trash dumpsters in there parking lot for a day and anyone in that sector can bring anything for free.

Different things work for different communities...It's good that you are discussing it...I love Edinburgh I am sure you will figure it out.
11

Logie Almond,

23/02/2009 14:00:32

"The city's Labour leader, Councillor Andrew Burns, said ..I believe the problem of fly-tipping has got worse since the uplift charges were introduced, and particularly over the last 12 months"

A bit hypocritical of Andrew Burns since it was the previous Labour administration who agreed to the introduction of uplift charges. Dumping was always a problem even before charges because people are just too lazy to arrange an uplift, and in tenement areas it's very difficult to identify who's responsible.
12

Very Concerned Resident,

23/02/2009 14:09:02
The £23 rate is far, far too high. Okay, one uplift might be free but how many people now know this? By increasing the charge so much the Council has - once again - shot itself in the foot and now the results are all too evident all over our local streets.

By-the-way, good piece of city-wide journalism this which exposes a real issue for locals. Can we have some more of the same please Evening News?
13

Tukhachevsky,

23/02/2009 14:28:38
The thing is, if you phone the Council to complain about it they will come and pick it up anyway.

So in effect they end up doing it for "free" anyway.

Bling Crosby is spot on though, it is the selfishness of some that ruin it for the many.
14

fatjambo,

sunny side of niddrie 23/02/2009 14:32:28
If you reside in certain areas of the city,Wester Hailes,Calders,Magdalene,Moredun,Gracemount,Northfield Drive and others, the council run a bulk uplift vehicle in these areas once a week and it does not cost residents a penny to have their unwanted items uplifted Therefore double standards by the council to provide a free service to certain parts of the city and not others!
15

Steve-o,

Edinburgh 23/02/2009 14:53:16
Can't you still call the Rapid Response number 0808 100 33 66 to get fly-tipped junk removed (for free)?
16

Steve-o,

Edinburgh 23/02/2009 15:06:30
To answer my own question, YES - they do. You can email them too. See below:

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/A-Z/AZ_rapid_response
17

Douglas,

Bathgate 23/02/2009 15:25:43
8 Bling Crosby,Edinburgh 23/02/2009 13:23:45

i live in Polwarth and every day there is a sofa, mattress, oven, tv, cabinet dumped in the street. It is a disgrace

I'll have you know that was my pied-a-terre, valued at £250,000 by Phil Spencer before the wheels came off. Some people know nothing of Bohemian living. :o)
18

steve 1511,

aberdeen 23/02/2009 15:31:24
it looks like the council will have to create positions for highly paid managers to oversee and investigate the abandoned sofa three piece suites and freezers, or they could save money and get on with the job that the council tax pays for,collecting rubbish at no extra cost
19

Number 6,

Germany 23/02/2009 15:31:27
Is there nothing the UK can do properly?

Why on earth are you having to pay "Uplift charges"?We certainly dont over here !.

There are specific days allocated for "Bulk Rubbish" however, should you need trash removed in large amounts away from these days, then a simple phone call to the council will get you a date when you can put out your surplus garbage.

This is why you pay taxes.

I repeat, over here there is no charge. Great Britain, the rip-off capital of the World.
20

Melon22,

23/02/2009 17:03:06
No wonder people dump large household items,even if you have a vehicle big enough to transport them(i.e. a large van),which most people do not,The council recycling depots charge you to dump there if you turn up in a van even if it is your own vehicle,
What exactly does my council tax pay for!!!!
21

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 23/02/2009 17:27:46
I don't know if any of you other posters have seen the article in today's 'Daily Mail', but if true it looks like Scottish Local Authorities are seriously considering the ending of all domestic rubbish collections in order to force us to recycle. £100 million is to be spent on a campaign to acheive this (good value for money).

Now there's common sense in action!!

I for one have never voted 'Green', and with ideas like that I definitely won't be.

22

A.A.,

23/02/2009 18:08:30
Bling Crosby...
"The area has become a joke - it is being ruined by lazy, drugged up poor people with their guard dogs going around thinking they can do as they please leaving their rubbish in the street and letting their dog's foul wherever it wants.

These tinks need to get a job and show some repsonsibility. People living on benefits are horrible".

What an ignorant sweeping statement to make! Not all people on benefits are horrible, nor drugged up or lazy, or let their dogs foul and not pick it up. (The dogs have to do the toilet, it's the owners who don't clear up the mess that are horrible).
Some people are on benefits through no fault of their own.
By the way, your grammar and spelling are atrocious...sorry, you won't understand that...I should say,terrible
23

A.A.,

23/02/2009 18:15:11
19 Number 6, Germany
"Is there nothing the UK can do properly?
Why on earth are you having to pay "Uplift charges"? We certainly don't over here!
There are specific days allocated for "Bulk Rubbish" however, should you need trash removed in large amounts away from these days, then a simple phone call to the council will get you a date when you can put out your surplus garbage.
This is why you pay taxes.
I repeat, over here there is no charge. Great Britain, the rip-off capital of the World".

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say, and yes, Britain is the rip-off capital of the world. (Notice I left out "Great."
24

piper,

23/02/2009 19:41:09
THE RUBBISH MOST LIKLEY BELONGS TO THE CONTRACTORS THE COUNCIL HIRES the council knows who do certian jobs in the city i,m not talking about house hold rubbish i,m talking about loads of rubble piles of old tar kerb stones the lot yet if you or i drop litter we can get done on the spot but the cowboys the council hire can more or less dump were they want and nothing gets done about it
25

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 23/02/2009 22:21:11
one.day.a.month.we.are.aloud.picked.up.same.day.no.charge
26

Julian.,

edinburgh 23/02/2009 22:39:56
Peter,

Actually you're not paying more council tax. It's been frozen for the last 2 years...helped out by those people who used to get numerous uplifts now having to pay for them. Why should I have to pay for wasteful disorganised people who throw out numerous large items?

As for the fly tipping, well the council should be clamping down on them and fining them. Maybe the EEN could do some useful research and find out how many have been caught. Maybe they should name and shame them as well.

27

JulesF,

Kirkliston 24/02/2009 11:01:33
Someone's dumped a Tram in Princes Street !!!
28

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 24/02/2009 12:01:38
#27 Julian,

Point taken, but how long will the CT remain 'frozen'? God help us all when it is 'unfrozen' as cash rapacious COSLA crucifies the Scottish public.

"Why should I have to pay for wasteful disorganised people who throw out numerous large items?"

Basically because this is supposed to be a Council provided service and, as the article and several respondents here have stated, it will remove the 'necessity' of fly-tipping (which none of us wants I'm sure).

Again I take your point, Councils should be penalising fly-trippers, but I guess the problem is actually catching them.

Councils are wanting to try to offload more and more of their so-called services resulting in the 'clients' paying for more and more as if these are new, separate services, while the CT may be frozen now, there seems little chance of it being reduced if services are 'privatised'.
29

Foo,

24/02/2009 12:37:12
The large house on Marine drive / West shore road junction. They have a Range Rover sports, Audi R6, Rolls Royce and a massive dump of rubbish thrown from the back of their property onto public woodland. It must be about 3 feet deep and covers about 50 sq feet of public land in my estimation, and is clearly viewable from Gypsy Brae - a popular walking spot.

Perhaps if they hadn't spent all their money on cars they could afford a few bins and a council uplift.

 

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