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Published Date: 23 April 2009
ANDY Robinson pitching his hat into the ring to be Scotland coach on Tuesday, hours after the announcement that only two Scots had been selected for the 2009 British and Irish Lions, could not have been more timely.
Now that he has applied for the post it is going to be very difficult for the Scottish Rugby Union not to appoint the English World Cup-winning coach. Irrespective of whether South Africa's Jake White or Australia's Rod Macqueen had applied – neither are believed to have done so – Robinson ticks too many boxes to be ignored. He has coaching skill, knowledge and experience of Test rugby and the professional game, understanding of Scottish rugby's strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the ambition and desire to restore a worldwide respect for Scottish rugby. And he has a point to prove personally too, after a difficult time as head coach of England. If not appointed, his progress at Edinburgh has not gone unnoticed so it may be only a matter of time before he leaves Edinburgh in any case. Based on the respect SRU chief executive Gordon McKie has for Robinson, and that garnered by the Englishman in the Scottish game over the past 18 months, we can expect Robinson to be the next Scotland coach.

However, one man cannot be seen as the panacea to all of Scottish rugby's ills. The SRU hierarchy have crucial decisions to take if the next national coach is to stand a chance of rebuilding the national team's reputation.

McKie has brought to the SRU the professional approach that was required to bring the budget under control. However, at times it has been necessary to limit the development of the game to keep costs down.

Crowds and player numbers are slowly rising and McKie's team have put Scottish rugby on a firmer footing, from an abject base. But now the chief executive has to find a way of growing the game again before Scotland loses touch with the rest of the rugby world.

Many in the sport are confident that Robinson has the talents to draw more from the current Scotland squad than did his predecessor Frank Hadden, but he will still be working largely with what Edinburgh and Glasgow produce and without improvement in that sphere there can be no expectation of a significant improvement at the top.

The money may come from the top down in Scottish rugby – close to 95 per cent of the income is generated by the national side – but the talent will always come from the bottom up and the grassroots requires attention.

Ireland are closest to Scotland's position in many ways – they have only 4,000 more adult players and owe much to private schools rugby – and the Six Nations Test highlighted that there is not much difference on the pitch either. Yet, they defeat Scotland now every year, where between 1984 and 1999 Ireland beat Scotland just twice. The reason for the turnaround is Ireland's successful development of a system for professional rugby.

It is built on the traditional four provinces, and began on meagre resources. Three of them have grown, gained success and flourished, while the fourth, Connacht, remains a vital feeder into pro rugby for the west of the country. All four have academies with professional coaching staff and invest around £11million in their professional teams.

The Irish RFU started with more money to play with than the SRU, having not spent it on a stadium, but they also had belief in their vision of the way forward. Past SRU regimes squabbled, and the current one scrapped the five-year high performance plan devised by Ian McGeechan, got rid of the director of rugby post itself, closed a third professional team and effectively merged four academies into one at Murrayfield. They now invest less than £5million in the pro teams' player budgets.

In those circumstances, why should we be surprised to have only two Scots in the Lions squad? Three years ago Australia hammered Scotland's under-18s 78-0; this year England showed the gulf with 61-0 and 75-0 wins. The latest crop of talented but under-developed Scottish under-18s lost by 60 points to Leicester's academy side. They have worked hard to compete with other sides, but it is amateurs v professionals at the top.

And from that point Ireland, Wales and Italy are moving ahead by hot-housing their talent in professional club academies while top Scots talent can be found scattered across clubs, age-group squads, sevens or falling somewhere in between. While English players play competitive games against other academies weekly, most of the best young Scots between 17 and 21 have to wait until spring each year for quality games.

The Scotland under-20s had some good results this year, but some fear this was a one-off, a good year in the cycle. And where do they go at 21?

And then we come to the raw material Robinson might soon be working with. Many of those who have stepped up to Scotland jerseys lack the mental strength and skill base to compete at pro level because they have made it to the top relatively easily.

There are many issues to be addressed. At the base level, the schools and youth game has to be brought together into a more vibrant, competitive structure, and the club game needs to be revamped, with a shorter more attractive season placing greater focus on producing local talent.

The area institutes and national academy are not properly co-ordinated with the pro teams and age-grade squads, and only real professional academies fully integrated to Edinburgh and Glasgow, with satellites in the Borders, Caledonia and England (at London Scottish), can plug into the pathways needed to carry players on to the professional and Test stages.

The SRU spends less on the player budgets of the pro teams now than two years ago, yet have greater TV and competition monies coming in and while the tighter fiscal prudence is to be applauded the SRU must address the lack of direction in what remains its core business – rugby.

Robinson may have the potential to improve players at the top, but he needs serious creativity below if Scottish rugby is to grasp professionalism and give more players the chance to compete with the rest of the world.

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  • Last Updated: 22 April 2009 11:27 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: SRU , Edinburgh rugby
 
1

Aligator,

23/04/2009 02:19:27
As you rightly say ONE MAN CANNOT DO THIS ON HIS OWN. We need a change in thinking at the SRU and then imaginative leadership, with not only 3/5 year goals but the necessary means to attain these.
2

Aligator,

23/04/2009 02:34:59
2 professional teams playing in international leagues, with marginal links to Scottish club rugby cannot be the answer.

We need to find a savour for Scottish rugby (Director of Rugby in Scotland), while Andy Robinson (National Coach of our top team) finds us some kind of international creditability.
3

leemagee,

Perth 23/04/2009 05:48:57
The answer is simple: look at the most successful rugby nations and take what you can from their models. In Western Australia, decent players are taken from the age of 15 and placed in the Force academy. They still play for their schools and clubs, but 2 or 3 times a week they get extra training from top coaches. By the time they are 18, they are playing 1st grade rugby (the equivalent of playing for Heriots or Currie 1sts etc) and many are still getting extra training through the academy. Most of them play for WA schools or Australia schools. By the time they are 20, they are playing Super 14, 1st Grade or Aus under 20s. Along the way they have been given weight and nutrition programmes and are big, strong and fast.
James O'Conner is currently playing for the Force - he is 18 years old, playing great rugby, has a cap for Australia and is tipped to be the next Matt Giteaux. Our best players get contracts at Edinburgh or Glasgow when they're 22 - which to my mind puts them 4 years behind the development of other international players.
The sooner the SRU realise that the money spent on a good structure like this will be repaid (and some) by better pro players and ultimately a better Scotland team, the better!
4

Fat one,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 05:56:57
Unfortunately, the Scottish crowd are the worst for voting with its feet! The SRU cannot afford to fund these teams. The public on this and other forums needs to get back to their local clubs and also start supporting the pro teams for Scottish Rugby to develop. At least the SRU are trying to develop the players at a younger age and they have also appointed performance managers for thr 15-17 year olds. I recently watched 250 school kids play tag rugby in Edinburgh on a Thursday morning, this is progress but it will take a long time, pity the supporters and crowd will have disappeared by the time the benefits of this has filtered through!
5

Dr Drikus van Panzerfest, Saffer Shrink,

23/04/2009 07:45:56
Hear Hear #4!
And slagging the players too.
Historically, the IRFU have also had more support from the government than the SRU.
6

Millbrae,

Alloway 23/04/2009 07:53:29
This is at a slight tangent, but what do SHE pay in sponsorship?
SRU basically have, I believe, 3 main income streams: International games, special events, sponsorship. I have ignored Edinburgh pro-side income as it presumably is used to partially off-set their costs.
Has the SRU missed a trick re sponsorship? Could they get sponsorship for their academy? Could they get sponsorship for 3 academies, say Stirling, Dundee & Borders?
7

AG,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 08:04:43
"Performance development" of youngsters aged 15 ... based on learning how to catch a ball? It's laughable were the dire state of Scottish Rugby not so sad.
8

borders fella,

the toon 23/04/2009 08:42:52
#3

YES identify talent and a young age and nurture this talent. We must give the best players the best chance of making it and representing their county. BUT us, scotland, as a nation are a nation of late developers, we can NOT afford to exclude this bracket of players from a talent pool which is already small as it is. There have been many cases of these players identified at a young age who have ammounted to nothing(obviously as many cases if not more of players who have made it) there are cases of boys who have been overlooked by the system turn out to be better players. At 15 the difference between a good player and an exellent player and is mainly determined by who has hit puberty first and is therefore stronger faster and fitter. Skills obviously matter a great deal but these attributes make a player stand out. It doesn't mean his team mate who wasn't as good as him at that age wont become better with time?

What i'm saying is yes develop our talent and give the best players the best chance they can possibly have BUT there has to be a system in place or more effort to identify and nurture late developers and give them a chance.

In scotland its harder to get out the system than get in!
What does everyone else think?
9

Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 23/04/2009 08:42:54
The IRU invest £11 million per year in pro rugby, the SRU only £5 million. It is blatantly obvious therefore if the SRU does not have the funds it must, if it seeks to compete successfully in the internmational arena, encourage private investment in the game. Sadly the alikadoos at Murrayfield cannot bring themselves to cede some small element of control in the interest of doing so. So much therefore for the vaunted management skills of McKie when he does not have the confidence or skill to devise a basis for bringing private finance into the game whilst retaining overall control.
10

J.A.,

23/04/2009 08:51:54
Having only two lions could be a blessing and just the wakeup call the SRU have needed. We are at a crossroads, with a new national coach who will hopefully bring a higher level of professionalism to the whole setup.
Our pro teams need to run Academies and back up squads that play regular fixtures. It’s clear from the age group results that our boys are not playing at a high enough level and our best talent is getting wasted playing fairly low standard school, junior and even club rugby. #6 as you rightly say the academy teams could play their games in Stirling Dundee or even the Borders ( the SRU are paying for a pitch down there). This would not cost a fortune!!
From a stable base we need to build a new 3rd pro team!!!
11

Middlemarch,

23/04/2009 08:55:58
#8 Your bang on

The Pathway system identifies talent at too young an age to be correct given that lads of the same age develop at a different rates.

The result is too big a fall out from the game very early on. At 14 we are telling the majority of boys playing rugby they will never play for Scotland, then the next year we tell half of those left the same and so on. That is how we have a huge drop off at 18.

I have heard it said by more than one under 18 coach that they would be interested to see the u18 in their district that are in the system play against the pick of the “rejects” just to see what would happen.
12

ballinj,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 09:32:12
Perhaps an idea would be to develop a back up league using the 5 districts and look to the American model of franchising them. Would allow a significant increase in players playing at a semi pro level, would still allow said players to play for clubs. It would also provide a blue print to moving to 4 professional teams + London Scottish over the medium term.

Teams could be funded using local government and private capital with top ups from the SRU.

Or perhaps we could look at London Scottish as the development team for Glasgow and Edinburgh.
13

J.A.,

23/04/2009 10:04:24
#12
That sounds like an interesting idea. The only issue is that I think our development sides should get regular competition against equivalent teams from England Wales, Ireland etc....
14

Foresight,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 10:07:36

#12 Right now London Scottish are putting their money where their mouth is to develop a top class pro side, this despite the considerable evidence of lack of support and "put downs" over the years by the SRU. Why therefore should it play second fiddle to the SRU owned Glasgow and Edinburgh sides???
15

Dissillusioned Supporter!,

Borders 23/04/2009 10:23:10
The structure is simple and already the foundations are there...
Mini/Midi > Schools/Youth > Clubs (linked to their regions Pro team with academies).

The stipulations has to be: 4 Fully Pro Regions (Edinburgh, Glasgow, Borders, Caledonia).
Young players play in competitive club games week-in-week out, with coaching & traning sessions with THEIR pro sides/academy as well. NO moving them around to other clubs and having the 'professional trainers' we have just now. All players in Scotland MUST be playing rugby in hard leagues for a club under their region- LEARNING how to win, beat different sides, close out games! This will increase the competitiveness all over - club players should be able to challenge the Pros & Internationals so there is no complacency as we have now.

With 4 options from our Home Pro Teams (5 or 6 including Exiles &/or London Scots) for EACH Scotland shirt, and with those players themselves not in comfort zones at their clubs, we willl once again have a strong, skillfull, passionate, well equiped, well supported, public interested, Scotland team!

Re: the money side - 4 less funded teams are better than 2. The support and local talent will eventually come through. It may take 5, 6, 7 years but it will happen, if we let it. We have proved in the past all areas in Scotland can attract big gates. 6N winning Countries like Ireland and Wales have proved this. Look how Munster have grown. We are going the opposite way - in the last 12 years we have went from having Lions Test winners like Townsend, Tait, Weir, Wainwright and Smith, to having no real Scots representation.

CHANGE MUST COME! I'm afraid that kids growing up here will not recognaise any local heroes anymore as they retire and fade out, thus breaking the link forever of inspiration to new players and supporters.
16

jockinengland,

Wakefield 23/04/2009 10:32:03
#14 The fact is that if London Scottish manage to get up to National 1 - soon to be the Championship in the English leagues, they will be governed by the fact that they will get most of the central funding, only if they have 16 english qualified player in their match squad, and also will get more funding if they have an english qualified coach. It makes no sense for the SRU to fund London Scottish. It would make more sense to use the Premiership teams in Scotland as development teams and academy teams with extra funding going in at that level, alternatively allowing individual players to play in the English leagues and give funding with the player to help with their development. In this way the players will get a better standard of games. This has worked well with Stuart Corsar who has been with Rotherham Titans and has now moved on to Doncaster - without any funding I might say.

17

Dissillusioned Supporter!,

Borders 23/04/2009 10:39:07
Edinburgh and Glasgow are currently NOT working - after 12 years or so of un-interrupted existience and SRU support. Why? Who knows, but something has to change now. FAR BETTER to go back to the CORRECT approach (the 'old' pyramid system to the Scotland team) and start again now. We may get heavy defeats and low crowds to begin with but we will come through it. At the moment we are 12 years behind Ireland's progress. SANZAR must be 22 years ahead of us!

If only we had kept with the 4 regions back in 1998... Where would we be now? From a Borders point of view everything was right in the structure. A team made up of the best Borders club players, some current Internationals, a large support (8,000 at Mansfield Park when we beat Llanelli). Someone at the SRU thought that having these 4 teams was not financially viable! No vision! What they would give to be back in that position!

Interesting to think Townsend was the Lions winning flyhalf in 1997 against South Africa - we could have had another Scottish and Borders 10 now in 2009 in Chris Paterson, IF there had been a Borders Pro team set-up back then, with class Borders coaches to learn him his trade (John Rutherford, Townsend etc). Instead, well we all know the story...

18

Middlemarch,

23/04/2009 10:48:24
Reading the above and getting in before the SRU plants come in with their “last time no-body supported the Borders “ routine. The last incarnation of the Borders was horrible managed – if there is such a thing as a non-marketing policy then this was it.
The original Borders was well supported.
19

bunker,

23/04/2009 10:51:10
# 8
Could not agree more I have commented on this in the past, to much emphasis on the chosen few when late developers are on the whole ignored,

SRU appear to take the easy option in being elitist. Under 17/18 age group is a watershed where we lose a significant number of disillusioned individuals. What is the answer? Some good suggestions to start with above but in this current financial climate sponsors will be in short supply and there is only so much you can ask well-intentioned volunteers to do
20

jekyll,

coastal georgia 23/04/2009 11:23:27
We all know that the Scottish team has performed abysmally over the past decade, but I do think the Scottish squad has been treated shabbily by Woodward a few years back and now McGeechan. As a player it is much easier to shine while playing for a winning team behind a successful pack. And in my opinion this was a pretty mediocre 6 Nations and if France had shown up there may not have been an Irish Grand Slam. None of the teams were extraordinary. None so much better than the others. The Irish performance against the Scots does not accurately reflect the Irish Lions to Scots Lions ratio.More Scots players should have been selected for the Lions. What happened after the Scots won their Grand Slams in the nineties ..... did they dominate the Lions selections to the detriment of the other unions. I think not. I am extremely disappointed with McGeechan and make no mistake this only further hurts Scottish rugby. Great lessons are learned on the tours. New training techniques and strategies are brought back to home teams. It is well known how much the Hawick team benefitted from Hughie McLeod's participation in Lions tours of the past. I am surprised that everyone involved in Scottish rugby are accepting of what I think is a grave injustice.
21

Hoop,

Carnoustie 23/04/2009 11:55:17
#8, spot on in every respect. 2 years ago I asked a rugby master (at a private school) what happened if a player wasn't in a 'performance stream' by age 18, and the reply was 'Realistically, he's missed the boat'. That's a pretty shameful admission, but just as shameful is our general acceptance of that position.

Equally shameful is the general meek acceptance of the separate private school/state school 'Pathway' schemes. The idea seems to be to get more players into 'performance rugby' but that surely has to be driven by ability. If it is accepted that private school players are 'better' (I don't accept that), surely mixing the players would help to bring up the standard of the state school players?

I applaud what the SRU is trying to do with improving grass-roots coaches. Those coaches need players to coach, and if a kid thinks he's missed the boat by 18, there will be few players left to coach. Likewise, I feel it would be good for the private schools to embrace the coaching development efforts of the SRU, but there seems to be a reluctance to do so (maybe a case of 'we know better'?)

Final point - if a big, fast and skilful team goes up against a really big, really fast, really skilful team, the latter will win most of the time. The point being, what's the point in doing the same as the opposition if they are bigger, faster or better at it than we are? We need to find our own style. Look at France, when they click.
22

J.A.,

23/04/2009 12:03:16
#20
This has been an accident waiting to happen. If we are honest “and look at ourselves in the mirror” we should realise that we have gone backwards when other nations have progressed. The Irish model is one we should identify with and there is now a very clear divide between us when not so long ago you could see a close parallel.

We can whinge all we want that we should have more players on the Lions tour but if this is what it takes to shake things up and force the SRU to take some positive action, I applaud McGeechan for his selection


#21
A player can be brought into U19's when not involved in Pathway systems. If he performs well for his club and makes a significant impact the U19 selectors do look at them. It has happened this year.
23

Rosbrog,

Hawick 23/04/2009 12:03:36
17 disillusioned borderer
18 middlemarch

Couldn't agree more. The crowds initially at the borders were good. I was at the melrose and hawick sevens recently and i am beyond rage at the way the sru have gone about their business. Oncfe they tore the heart out of scottish rugby by making only token effort with the borders it was only going to go downhill.
Marketing? I don't think they know the meaning of the word. It takes time to develop a team and fan base, i know you can't wait forever when building teams but surely the threat of the axe every 3 years or so is ridiculous and tantamount to admitting defeat before you've really started.
I still think even simple things like moving a few games around, especuilly at the start is vital to create an affinity with the team, programmes etc should always list the players club when they represent a district, likewise with the national team. With some players it is very hard to know which club they came through at, they should still have some link to the club with a form of registration and this should not be forgotten when they go on to represent their district.
Leal tae the border



24

JCA REID,

Annan 23/04/2009 13:26:17
Re# 10. Only 2Scots in the Lions squad...a wake up call for the SRU. They had one a few years ago when only 1guy made the Lions NZ tour! They're still asleep.
25

KD,

23/04/2009 13:38:02
Wonder why there's no comment allowed on the Parks story?
26

frustrated supporter,

23/04/2009 13:55:14
our lack of development of young talented players is very worrying, only a handful of ex age grade internationals and district players making it through to academies or pro set up, so many giving up or benching for prem 1 teams or having to play 2s as no room for them in the prem 1 set up, surely the way forward is to create young development teams in all four districts using this talent an example could be teams with players aged 18 - 24? These development teams could then feed the Prem 1 teams and pro teams as needed, they could remain with selected Prem 1 teams in their district areas for personal development such as power and strenght training etc. For menaingful games they could play each other and against English academy teams
27

JD11,

Donabate 23/04/2009 14:31:49
Exacly right.....Surely the way forward is to create young development teams in all four districts using this talent an example could be teams with players aged 18 - 24? These development teams could then feed the Prem 1 teams and pro teams as needed, they could remain with selected Prem 1 teams in their district areas for personal development such as power and strength training etc. For meaningful games they could play each other and against English academy teams..... and leinster/ Munster/ Ulster/ Connaught acadamy teams. ..... We also need Pro A treams playing other Pro A team regularily a la shadow magners league perhaps...
28

Doit,

Borderland 23/04/2009 15:08:36
Why on earth would the SRU listen? They've never listened in the past and i've not seen any evidence that they've changed! In an ideal world our 18-24 year olds should be playing in a development league against stronger oppostion but unfortunately we don't have the numbers because these guys are all playing in their club teams on a Saturday. The structure of the season needs to be reviewed if this is ever going to happen because as highlighted previously the structures not condusive to introducing another teer!
29

Aligator,

23/04/2009 16:23:07
I realise that the SRU is active on many fronts for Scottish rugby and may be having some success. So some of my suggestions below may already be part of their work and plans. But I offer the following goals for discussion here and thought, as we all try to help rugby in Scotland.

Goals for the SRU – 2009-2011

Commercial/Business
1. Double (over 3 years) the level of financing of Scottish rugby (to at least 10 million) through a very active program to bring in private/corporate sponsors and government support. Involve these sponsors in the commercial activities and decisions of the SRU.
2. Optimise the commercial opportunities of the Murrayfield assets to generate increased revenue or funds.
3. Financial management to control debt levels, finance the necessary level of rugby investments (see below) and stay solvent year-on-year.

Rugby development & management
1. Hire a National Coach and give him the supporting staff, resources and player access that he will need. Give him clear annual goals linked strongly to the 2011 RWC and the commensurate resources.
2. Set 3/5 year goals for development rugby in Scotland – e.g. growth in number of players, number of teams, level of competition, public image and interest – and measure all of these to monitor success.
3. Develop in 2009 a clear (top-down & bottom up) structure for rugby in Scotland – to include the professional teams, their back-up teams, academies, regional teams, Club sides across all divisions, and school/youth teams.
4. Develop and implement a strong national development program for all coaches (including school rugby) and referees – requiring training, certification, and appropriate experience.
5. Further develop the Edinburgh & Glasgow professional teams to include formal back-up teams (that compete across the UK & Europe) and their own academies.
6. Expand the Area academies to provide for Regional teams that compete with each other and with the professional Academies.
7. Launch a 3
30

Brian_Stewart,

Kirkcaldy 23/04/2009 16:50:44
I hate to pour water on the fire but who actually thinks anything will happen? Until the SRU are in the black by substantial amount no money will be put into the game and there is too much self interest at the clubs to allow "their" good players to go off to development teams. The structure of the game does need to change but I fear the big stick will be needed instead of a carrot.
31

Aligator,

23/04/2009 17:07:19
Rest of my comments;

7. Launch a 3rd professional team, and a fourth team a year or two later – fold the regional academies (in 7 above) into this.
8. Appoint a National Director of Rugby (responsible to the Chairman) to oversee all of the above and ensure that all parts of rugby in Scotland are pulling their weight.

USE A VERY BIG STICK TO HAVE THE CLUBS BUY INTO THIS
32

Armageddon,

Tobermory 24/04/2009 09:02:23
Aligator

you forgot one point...Gordon McKie has to resign as CEO. He makes a good financial director, but he doesnt have the vision, or the charisma to pull the whole of Scottish rugby together. He is far to much of a corporate hitman and doesnt play well with others.

Scotland needs to find someone that everyone can rally behind. McKie falls woefully short.
33

J.A.,

Gala 24/04/2009 09:12:08
ALIGATOR
I agree with your points and feel that they are nothing but common sence.
And before the cry comes out that we can't afford it, some of your suggestions would not cost anything or even save money in the long run.

 

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