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Published Date: 22 June 2009
By JOE QUINN
SNP ministers will this week demand more powers for Holyrood in a face-to-face meeting with the Scottish Secretary.
Jim Murphy will meets senior Nationalists tomorrow to make a pre-cabinet presentation.

It will be the latest in a series of cabinet meetings opened up to outsiders to enable organisations and interest groups to put their case direct to ministers
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But the meeting will also see pressure applied in the other direction. A spokesman for First Minister Alex Salmond said there was now "effective unanimity" for Scotland to be given more powers in line with the Calman Commission report.

Tomorrow's meeting would be an opportunity "to discuss the immediate implementation of these measures where there was agreement between the Scottish Government and Calman", he added.

These included devolving responsibility for air weapons, drink-drive and speed limits, the running of Scottish Parliament elections, and proposals for "equal relations" between Holyrood and Westminster, said the spokesman.

"These are all positive, there is now effective unanimity in favour of them, and we see no reason for any further delay in getting them in place," he said.

"There should be immediate implementation of these measures, and Tuesday's meeting with the Scottish Secretary is an important opportunity to discuss bringing forward the necessary legislative orders, which would be a simple and straightforward process – not least given the precedent in areas such as rail powers."

Mr Murphy said: "I want to focus on ways we can work together to get Scotland through the global downturn. I will not allow a generation of Scots to be abandoned."





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1

hoblar,

22/06/2009 00:08:26
"Mr Murphy said: "I want to focus on ways we can work together to get Scotland through the global downturn. I will not allow a generation of Scots to be abandoned."

Er.........I presume that this one quote from Murphy right at the very end is accidentally taken from a reply on a totally different subject, my guess being the global economic catastrophe Murphy and his labour chums have made such a monkey's of?
2

Fletty73,

Stirling 22/06/2009 00:17:02
Something to do with the voters of East Renfrewshire abandonment of Labour at the Euro elecections perhaps?
3

Marga,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 00:19:12
.. "cabinet meetings opened up to outsiders to enable organisations and interest groups to put their case direct to ministers" - so is the Scottish Government an organisation, an interest group or an outsider?

.
4

Castaway™ ,

22/06/2009 00:25:20
The role of Secretary of State for Scotland has clearly decreased,and the question of the continued separate existence of that office must be raised.
The Commons' Justice Committee - 23 May 2009
5

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 22/06/2009 01:19:00
#5
Just shows how bad Labour really are when people are pleading for a Tory Government.

A "new start"? - for Scotland?? - from the Tories???
6

Fletty73,

Stirling 22/06/2009 01:46:03
I assume Jimbo is coming up here for the meeting.
Will he be flipping his home expenses for the day?
7

Brianwci,

22/06/2009 01:56:00
Mr Murphy said: "I will not allow a generation of Scots to be abandoned."

What, like previous generations abandoned by London Labour?

Let's save £7milion by closing the Scotland Office.

Who needs it when we have Holyrood. Give the £7million to the Scottish Government.

8

Willie Mor,

22/06/2009 03:07:35
Quire honestly Jim Murphy is a waste of space.

What does he do other than pick up a sauncy taxpayer funded salary and expenses to be Westminster's man in Scotland to snipe at the SNP.

Yes, what constructive role does the Haw Haw actually do. I for one don't know.

Yes, instead of rationing health care and refusing to give UK treasury contingency money to Scotland to pay for mass flu vaccination, why not get rid of Murphy and his Scotland office.
9

donald,

glasgow 22/06/2009 03:26:42
When given the job of Office Cat Mr Murphy said his job was to mark Alex Salmond. Note, not to fight for the people of Scotland.
10

dunedin bully wee 1877,

22/06/2009 05:34:42
Where is today’s standard “Alex Salmond food allowance” story?

Is it David Maddox’s day off?
11

steve 1511,

aberdeen 22/06/2009 05:37:45
murphy as much good to scotland as a nodding dog in a car back window
12

dunedin bully wee 1877,

22/06/2009 06:08:42
Mr Murphy said: "I want to focus on ways we can work together to get Scotland through the global downturn. I will not allow a generation of Scots to be abandoned."

Which generation and abandoned by whom exactly?

Did he mean by the most popular Scottish Government since the inception of devolution or the least popular Labour Government since..............well, the last one?
13

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 22/06/2009 06:52:10
This is one of the Quisling Vichy that will get his due come the General Election.
A despicable creature it is well deserved.
14

McNasty,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 07:36:37
#15 Well said.
15

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/06/2009 07:58:49
#12 bully,

Aye, no headlines 'demanding Salmond opens his diary' to allow a cabal of unionist lowlife to rummage and slander.

Time for an election.
16

TWC,

exLabour 22/06/2009 07:59:16
Did anybody see Glen Michael(I mean Campbell) quizing a panel about MPs expenses but when th etrory mentioned Morphy's flipping he said that Spud was not there to answer... neither were any of the other MPs being discussed.
17

BIG EYE,

Paisley 22/06/2009 08:17:07
Give Jim a chance guys!

He has a big fight on his hands to hold on to third place in his constituency!
18

Gdgy,

22/06/2009 08:22:00
So the SNP want more powers so they can break even more promises.....
19

brownlie,

22/06/2009 08:24:15
"I will not allow a generation of Scots to be abandoned" - talk about delusions of grandeur. I hope he helped the journalist up when he fell about laughing.
20

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/06/2009 08:34:24
#20 Gdgy,

My you're razor sharp!!

The SNP want FULL independence.
21

Martinh,

22/06/2009 08:34:30
Another blatantly pro SNP headline by this rag of a newspaper. So much so some of the usual band of SNP extremists above are clamouring for another reminder of 'Monty Python's very fat man in a restaurant' sketch to be highlighted again.

#15. Scittish and Proud. Arn't you being over moderate? Wouldn't Quisling Vichy Haw Haw be more emphatic? Only trying to help you.
22

Melly,

Dunblane 22/06/2009 08:51:45
"I will not allow a generation of Scots to be abandoned". Erm... have I been missing something these past 50 odd years ? or have Lie-bour suddenly seen the light ?
23

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 09:06:34
"These included devolving responsibility for air weapons, drink-drive and speed limits..."

And what do they propose to do with these powers if they do get devolved?

I'll tell you shall I?

Air weapons -- Another pointless, mindless, stupid ban which will hit the majority of responsible people without having any effect on the irresponsible minority.

Drink-drive -- A lowering of the limit that will potentially criminalise millions of perfectly safe drivers whilst having no effect whatsoever on road safety.

Speed limits -- Substantial reductions in speed limits, including motorway speed limits. this will be done on the pretext of "road safety" and the ridiculous King Canute politics being preached by the SNP at present. the real reason will of course be to give a boost to the flagging revenue from speed cameras. At the same time it wil make our roads more dangerous as drivers move into "auto-pilot" and think even less due to being forced to drive below the safe speed for the conditions.

Surely even the most ardent SNP supporter can see that it is not appropriate to devolve additional powers to this government?
24

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 09:09:05
#7:

"A "new start"? - for Scotland?? - from the Tories???"

Yes.
25

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 22/06/2009 09:45:20
#26/27
Do really think that controlling the miss use of air weapons in Scotland would be a bad thing?
Do you really think that reducing the limit of alcohol in drivers in Scotland from 83mg/ltr to 50mg/ltr will actually criminalise innocent people?
As for your assertion that the ability to control speed limits is Canute politics really does take the biscuit.
The misuse of any weapon whether it be a firearm or a motorised vehicle is already against the law and is a criminal offence; the problem within our society to-day is that the offender rarely gets caught.
To attempt to control the purchase and the supply of air weapons is already the Scottish Governments policy; to reduce the number of killings on our roads is already the Scottish government’s policy. By reducing the alcohol limits which has already proved to work.
So why do you not wish that our country to improve the wellbeing and safety of all who reside here? Could it be that instead of burying your head in the sand you get up and give your head a wash?
26

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/06/2009 10:03:12
#26 & 27 Fuel,

What purpose do air weapons serve???
Who would mourn their passing???
If ONE life was saved by lowering the drink driving limit would that not be a good thing???

Or do you just hate the SNP????
27

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/06/2009 10:20:10
#29

Air weapons are useful for pest control on farms etc. Shooting rabbits and rats. drink driving I agree with, though due to things like mouthwash containing some alcohol do not belive you can have a zero limit. Speed limits is just ridiculous, the current mway limits were set years ago when cars were afr less safe and less powerful. If anything they should be going up.
28

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 10:25:33
#28:

"Do really think that controlling the miss use of air weapons in Scotland would be a bad thing?"

No. But the laws already exist to do this. we do not need another brain-dead ban.

"Do you really think that reducing the limit of alcohol in drivers in Scotland from 83mg/ltr to 50mg/ltr will actually criminalise innocent people?"

Yes. The drink-drive limit is correct as it stands. It was set based upon proper scientific research conducted in the days before "science" was influenced by idiotic extremism.

"So why do you not wish that our country to improve the wellbeing and safety of all who reside here?"

I support that idea. However you do not go about it by treating everyone like an imbecile and trying to control their lives.

#29:

"What purpose do air weapons serve???"

Sporting, recreation -- for instance shooting rabbits etc. Target shooting.

"Who would mourn their passing???"

People who use them for the reasons above.

"If ONE life was saved by lowering the drink driving limit would that not be a good thing???"

You could argue that, however drink related deaths invariably involve people (drivers and pedestrians) who are quite drunk and are WAY over the current limit. The chances of a lower limit saving even one life is infinitessimal and as such the additional criminalisation of safe drivers is not justified.
29

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/06/2009 10:36:24
#30 All,

Air weapons, issued under firearms certificates would be OK but most farmers would go for a shotgun or a .22 rifle.

No one else needs air weapons.

Do you think 282 deaths on Scotland's roads in 2008 is acceptable???
Most of those caused by excess speed or excess alcohol.
30

Earman,

Paphos 22/06/2009 10:53:35
The simple answer to all this "which powers should be held where" windowdressing is for a Scottish Government to have power over all issues which impinge directly on Scotland and it's population.....you know, a bit like every other Nation in the world. Or are we still the only Nation too skint/thick/immature etc etc to do so?
31

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 11:05:07
#34:

"Take your argument to the parents of the children who have been murdered by airguns and those who have had there pets killed and maimed."

And argue what precisely? That the laws surrounding air weapons are not being enforced properly? That is the issue. It never has been legal to use these weapons to shoot children or pets. Why can't they enforce the existing laws for once and leave those who are complying with them alone. If someone has the kind of mindset to shoot children and pets do you really, honestly think that a ban on air weapons is going to make them hand their weapon in like a good little boy or girl? Of course not. The only people who would be affected by this are those who are responsible.

#35:

"Do you think 282 deaths on Scotland's roads in 2008 is acceptable???"

Given the number of vehicle miles travelled, that's not a bad record.

"Most of those caused by excess speed or excess alcohol."

Rubbish. Most of them are caused by inattentiveness, lack of skill and misjudgement. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
32

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/06/2009 11:07:19
#37

The rest of Europe manage fine with a lower drink driving limit.

Why do you find it difficult to accept???
33

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 11:22:48
#38:

The rest of Europe do not enforce the drink-drive limits in the way we do. The way they enforce the limits means in essence that you need to have a crash or make a serious error before you are tested. As you know, this is not the case in the UK.

If you are going to practice rigid enforcement as in the UK, you need to have a realistic limit otherwise you are going to be wasting your time needlessly prosecuting drivers who are safe. If you only use the drink-drive laws when it is clear that the incident was caused by or exacerbated by drink, having a lower limit is not an issue.

Going by this government's track record, if they did introduce a lower limit, then they would probably INCREASE the enforcement rather than reserving the powers for cases where drink was actually an issue. As I say, this would result in the needless prosecution of safe drivers.
34

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 11:27:02
(cont)

And additionally, in many European countries, being over the limit by a small amount does not result in an automatic 12 month ban. Over here it does.

In short, those countries which have a lower limit enforce them in a different way to the UK and the penalties are different to the UK. Unless we harmonise properly, we shouldn't meddle with laws that work and are fair.

As usual, our politicians are only looking at a small part of the bigger picture and are concentrating on that.
35

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/06/2009 11:32:31
#39

Are you an alcoholic???
36

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 11:34:07
And another thought....

The people who cause crashes due to drink are usually very drunk---several times the limit. Apart from media shock value, is it going to make any difference to the outcome if a driver is 10 times the limit rather than 5 times the limit? I somehow think not.
37

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/06/2009 11:34:39
#40

If I'm out and driving, I don't find it hard to drink Irn Bru.

Better to have NO drink than be in doubt.

Or do you think you drive better after a few???
38

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 11:34:41
#41:

No.
39

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 11:37:18
#40:

"If I'm out and driving, I don't find it hard to drink Irn Bru."

I would find it hard to drink Irn Bru at any time!

"Better to have NO drink than be in doubt."

I disagree. Most people are still quite safe after a couple of pints of normal strength beer.

"Or do you think you drive better after a few???"

Actually, some research suggests this. I personally don't buy it.
40

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/06/2009 11:42:02
#45

Well we better agree to differ then!
41

Andy Ritchie's left boot,

22/06/2009 12:10:20
45: I disagree tnat most people are prefectly safe after 2 pints. I really can't understand the notion that it's ok to drink right up to just under the legal limit. A pint is more than enough to have an effect, and to be on the safe side it is far better not to drink any alcohol if you intend to drive. As the advert used to say, if drink has become the most important thing in your life, think again.
42

Arfur,

22/06/2009 12:44:32
Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head - you sir are a f-ing idiot.

No point arguing with you - your too thick to bother with.

43

hoblar,

22/06/2009 12:47:46
"And what do they propose to do with these powers if they do get devolved?
I'll tell you shall I?"

don't bother yer wee labour drone backside.

You could tell us what use murphy and the Scottish office are to Scotland though, because the general consensus appears to be "naffall use" in tesponse to the actual article.
44

Arfur,

22/06/2009 12:48:52
Mr Murphy said: "I want to focus on ways we can work together to get Scotland through the global downturn. I will not allow a generation of Scots to be abandoned."

Who does this pr*ck think he is.

Its okay scull, we wont be cos we now actually have a party in charge of Scotland that actually does stuff for us mear mortals and thinks of us.

Labour abandoned the Scots a long time ago. Shame there are so many thickos in Scotland that dont realise this.
45

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/06/2009 12:53:00
Petrolhead are you one of these selfish gits who thinks it's OK to smoke in a car with kids on board ? I mean - is there any limit to your me-me-me philosophy ?

Spook - the Tories will be worse than Labour - we don't want either of them in. Just focus on the SNP.
46

Galvatron,

22/06/2009 13:09:36
#34 Berero: "Yesterday on the East edition of Scotland today they reported that over 60 pets had been shot with airguns in Edinburgh over the last 6 months"

That's funny, I heard a cyber whisper a few days ago that one of the Nova Albions has taken out a contract on Maverick. I'd keep him under close observation from now on, if I were you.
47

A Scott,

Newton Mearns 22/06/2009 13:15:37
Didnt read in any of todays papers or indeed see in any of the "Scottish" tv stations .A follow up to the story in yesterdays Sunday Herald re Oily Jim MP and his "flipping " Clarkston-London-Clarkston or indeed his claims for a rubber (no not that type of rubber) and a 97p pencil sharpner. Nor can I see it being in our two local Nu Liebor supporting free papers.
48

Eve,

Scotland 22/06/2009 13:20:18
Mr Murphy said: "I want to focus on ways we can work together to get Scotland through the global downturn. I will not allow a generation of Scots to be abandoned." "

What generation is this? There are people from all generation (obviously NOT including those who are OPAs)who are being effected by the lack of jobs and the job loses. I really don't think that there is one generation being less hit than the others.

One question do the Labour Party actualy know how to work together?

#20 Gdgy: Naw that's the unionist parties.

Minority governments have to listen to the opposition parties more than they would need if they where a majority government.

Therefore any promises that they make could be brought down the opposition at any time. So there are things that the government would like to do BUT can't because the opsition is in the way.
49

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 13:48:31
I see that there are people around who start hurling insults when they can't counter an arguement...

#48 -- "you sir are a f-ing idiot"
#49 -- "don't bother yer wee labour drone backside." (Labour?????)
#51 -- "Petrolhead are you one of these selfish gits who thinks it's OK to smoke in a car with kids on board?" (I didn't think this article was about smoking... But yes. I do think it's ok to smoke in a car with kids in it. Why shouldn't it be?)

#47:

Whilst I can see the reasons behind why many people may choose the "zero" option, it is not something to impose generally. Regardless of what you might think it has been proven that driving isn't significantly affected until the driver is above (sometimes substantially above) the current blood/alcohol limit.

Of course, there are people who are an exception to this general rule and if they choose to avoid alcohol altogether then who am I to argue?

Whilst I would never condone someone getting behind the wheel when wrecked out of their head, the temptation to knee-jerk about all this must be resisted. Our drink driving laws work and are fair. If they are changed then the chances are that we will see an increase in deaths due to alcohol. At the moment, deaths due to alcohol are quite low. Let's keep them that way eh?
50

The Scotchman,

22/06/2009 14:01:30
"Jim Murphy would rather make party political points on his blog and publish nonsense reports that talk Scotland down.", SNP

http://www.snp.org/node/15408
51

Ifan Har,

Scotland 22/06/2009 14:09:29
Freedom for Scotland!
52

Miss H,

22/06/2009 15:16:32
50 He wopn't be in a position to 'allow' Scotland to do - or not do - anything.

He's going to lose his seat to the Tories.

While I am not a fan of the Tories I may raise a wee toast to them when that happens.
53

Eve,

Scotland 22/06/2009 15:41:03
Speaking of Jim Murphy 4 hours ago he twittered on the Scotland Office Blog area and said:
"On way to Commons. Have left the first meeting of the cross-party steering group on Calman which will take the devo proposals forward "

Does anyone know what this devo is?

Nice to see that the first meetings are held in London. Speaks volumes for the stiring group.
54

Eve,

Scotland 22/06/2009 15:48:03
#61 Spooky: Have You been on the Scotland Office blog site yet?

I'm really struggling to mak sence of his last entree'. The last paragraph come across as patronising the people of Scotland.

http://blog.scotlandoffice.gov.uk/
55

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 22/06/2009 16:16:59
That's more like it!

We demand, we don't ask.

As for Murphy, a treacherous individual if I ever saw one........
56

Eve,

Scotland 22/06/2009 16:51:00
#63 Spooky: Aye the blog is very poor in quality! Though I did get a wee laugh oot of reading the comment attached to some of the entree's. Cause their all negative either towards him, what he's say or MP in General.

I agree they aren't in power BUT they are fighting for it or at least trying desperately to mak it look like they are provide a worthwhile service.

I think it's sometimes it's interesting to see how these people live and try and figure oot what they are on about. When it's jiberus it has pure comedy value, as they really expect you to believe them.

#65 Year Zero: Good link, will have wee read of that!!!

I wonder, did Gorden Brown or was it Jim Murphy or what ever member of the Labour party who slaged off Iceland apologiesed to them yet?
57

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/06/2009 17:03:23
#66 Eve,

I thought you knew better.

New Labour Sleaze are never wrong and even when they are wrong they NEVER apologise!!!!
58

Eve,

Scotland 22/06/2009 17:24:14
#67 Jimmy Le Pie: Silly me, I was confusing them with the tories, who seem to like to apologise in the hope of votes!!

59

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 17:33:58
#61 Spook, you are wrong.

You should not be concentrating on the SNP.

You should instead be concentrating on improving your primary school level English.

Your spelling and grammar are both dreadful.

How you got into university . . . . . . God only knows.
60

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 17:57:15
#70

Oh dear. Your posts are getting worse. Sad to see.
61

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 18:10:42
#73 Post your link then.

Impress us all.

Scoring a goal for Spartans will really amaze everyone.
62

Alan B,

22/06/2009 18:18:11
The public are not meant to pay for party campaigning.

But labour have abused power once more to turn the scottish office into a campaign headquarters for london labour in scotland.

It should really be renamed to the "London Office in scotland".

63

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 18:37:55
#77 I am still awaiting your link.

Speaking of which You really are the missing link as your photo showed.
64

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 18:40:45
#77 Second top scorer?

Failure.

I bet the top scorer can write in English and can also spell.

Arrange for him to teach you.
65

Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 22/06/2009 18:50:27
66 Eve,Scotland 22/06/2009 16:51:00

I don't think anyone in Iceland will accept any apology from Brown or Murphy. They will just ignore them like the low-life that they are.

Like Scotland, Iceland is a naturally wealthy country. Like Scotland, it allowed its banks to be derailed by roques. Banks are not the wealth of a country, only the goods that it can produce and market has any value at the end of the day. The Iceland people know this, as do all the Scots who can see through the Labour lies.
66

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 19:02:17
#81 Sorry to break this to you Spook but I help my 7 year old daughter with her homework every night and she already has a better level of spelling and indeed written English than you.

No doubt her spoken English and handwriting is better than yours as well.
67

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/06/2009 19:12:33
76 Yep that's a good point. The Scottish Office do seem to be acting in a politically inspired fashion, using resources to try and undermine the SNP.

Of course it will be in the Whitehall mandarins interests to try and undermine them, but surely someone regulates them ? Perhaps questions should be asked.

68

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/06/2009 19:16:40
82 LOL Rufus you do realise that you can't afford to make any typos yourself now, for the rest of your posting ''career'' ? Talk about making yourself a hostage to fortune - you've made yourself a hostage to typing.
69

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/06/2009 19:18:41
85 Sorry 85 was for 83, I made a typo, I'm allowed to do that :)
70

brownlie,

22/06/2009 19:22:12
85 Obs,

Please, don't be silly, when a person is arrogant the standard he requires from others does not apply to himself.
71

brownlie,

22/06/2009 19:40:21
Rufus,

Just out of boredom I decided to check to see how important spelling and grammar were in attracting visitors to blogs. As you don't appear to have a blog I compared Spook's Blog with that of the doyen of unionism, AM2. AM2's Scottish Unionist blog started two months before Spooks and has attracted approximately 4,600 visits. Spook's blog, on the other hand, has attracted approximately 22,000 visitors. Food for thought, eh?
72

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/06/2009 19:48:58
87 I have yet to see what it is that Rufus is so arrogant about. But I live in hope, ever the optimist.
73

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 20:36:03
Brownlie, you are a bright guy. Now you know and I know that Spooks blog is like an online comic compared to the more serious blogs of sm753 and Scottish Unionist.

Spooks blog is full of absolute inane drivel. He even has an article entitled "David Maddox is a Cu**". It was not asterisked out either.

The number of hits is meaningless as you well know when it comes to comparing the relative qualities of each blog.
74

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 20:41:00
Observer, I make plenty of mistakes and errors. We all do. But Spooks posts above are exceptionally poor even by his own very low standards. Did you read them?

I am honestly amazed he gets into university. He must have forged his entry qualifications.

75

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 20:48:13
For the record "embarrest" is not a typo it is dreadful spelling which he oft repeats.
76

brownlie,

22/06/2009 21:24:50
90 Jerry Springer

Do you want to declare your interest before comparing blogs?

According to you Spook's blog is full of inane drivel whilst AM2 and Sm753 are "serious" blogs.

Have a look at AM2's blog and you find they consist mostly of "Quotes" that he has trawled (should that be trolled) around comment pages to find. These are then high-lighted to present pro-independence commentators in a bad-light.

As you know, probably from experience, it is easy for an individual to post pretending to be a nationalist/unionist and make outrageous comments. Despite knowing this AM2's parades them as being typical SNP supporters.

SM753 lost all pretensions to be "serious" when he admitted that his main intention was to provoke nationalists to anger and expressed great delight when that was achieved. How serious is that?

Spooks covers a whole range of topics on his blog and it is mostly interesting reading.

I find the two others blogs set up solely to denigrate the SNP banal, tedious and repetitively boring.

Incidentally, have you ever given any thought to the fact that dyslexics, despite their obvious handicap, are capable of outstanding academical and business achievements and can often out-strip those whose spelling and grammar is immaculate.
77

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/06/2009 21:34:40
91 They're typos. He's a 23 yr old guy who is passionate about politics. That's good - I don't actually care what party he supports most 23 year olds are totally aliented from politics. That's very bad, so more power to his elbow snd don't be so critical. And BTW a lot of people make phonetical spelling errors, it kind of begs the question why do we spell words in a way that doesn't actually reflect how we say them.
78

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/06/2009 21:37:59
Sorry for the typos I didn't have my glasses on !
79

Eve,

Scotland 22/06/2009 21:44:08
#93 brownlie: It's condtion called being narrow mined these people just see things in black & white. I feel sorry for them cause they just can't see the numerous possibilities, there only a right way and wrong way, to them.

#82 Rob Royston: Aye, you don't need an apology from a hypocrite caue it would never be genuine.
80

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/06/2009 22:00:13
Stop getting wound up Spook that's what he wants.

G'nite.
81

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 22:25:59
Hey Spook, Brownlie says you are a dyslexic (post 93 above).

That being the case, I am sorry for slagging you off.

On re-reading your posts above, I should have realised that that was the case.

It is obvious now with hindsight.
82

brownlie,

22/06/2009 22:36:32
102 Jerry

Don't you dare put words into my mouth. I did not say anything of the kind. I merely pointed out that incorrect spelling and grammar were not necessarily hindrances to success and used dyslexics as an example.
83

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 22:40:47
Ah Brownlie misunderstood you.

Apologies.

That being the case......................

Spook, your posts suggest an IQ of about 10.

Your blog even lower than that.
84

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 22:42:24
Spook's hat.

http://www.townfield.doncaster.sch.uk/images/Jan2004/clean%20slate%202004%20(36).jpg
85

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 22:43:35
105 Berero, looking to the night sky for inspiration,22/06/2009 22:41:43
brownlie...

lol, its okay. I wrote an article about dyslexia and it was one of the few occasions Rufus bothered to post on it and it was not complimentary.
===================================================

A Barefaced Lie.

Show us the link.
86

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 22:44:26
107 Berero, looking to the night sky for inspiration,22/06/2009 22:43:01
#104..

Well it beats your IQ of -5. Look at your comments, your so thick, your a spastic
======================================================

Oh Dear.

A very sad and unfortunate comment.

That really is disgraceful.
87

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 22:55:10
#110

Spook you are a disgrace.

Making jokes about people with Downs Syndrome is totally reprehensible.

What a despicable comment for anyone to make.
88

brownlie,

22/06/2009 22:57:03
1Jerry Springer

Have just had a look at AM2's blog. His latest wheeze, presumably to drum up interest in a lack-lustre blog, is to invite postings from "guest" bloggers but essentially postings with a unionist theme.

Sounds a bit like the Calman Commission so we'll wait with interest the contribution from Lord James Douglas-Hamilton who once asked a snotty-nosed kid where he lived and when the kid replied WesterHailes estate asked "How's the grouse shooting on your estate this year?". Ah, the future of Scotland has been placed in good hands.
89

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 23:00:31
#112 I will have a look.
90

brownlie,

22/06/2009 23:02:23
111 Jerry Springer

I think you'll find that spastic means "lack of physical co-ordination" and is nothing to do with Downs Syndrome although it has been used, if my memory serves me right, to describe cerebral palsy.
91

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 23:05:14
Brownlie, nothing wrong with having guest unionist bloggers on a unionist blog I would have thought.

Incomparable to the puerile nonsense on that sicko Spook's blog.
92

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 23:08:18
Brownlie, you know as well as I do that the term 'spastic' is a derogatory and pejorative term to define people with Downs Syndrome.

You should stop trying to defend the indefensible.
93

brownlie,

22/06/2009 23:18:44
120 Jerry Springer

That's twice tonight you've accused me of thing that are completely wrong.

I'm not trying to defend anyone.

If you mean Spooks I think that he is well capable of speaking for himself.

I can say in all honesty that I have never heard a Down's syndrome sufferer referred to in these terms. As I said I thought spasticity was a lack of physical co-ordination and involuntary spasmodic limb movements which is nothing to do with Downs.
94

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 23:29:18
Brownlie, even if Spook believed that spasticity was "a lack of physical co-ordination and involuntary spasmodic limb movements", do you think that such an affliction is something to be joked about?

Spook clearly is a sicko.
95

brownlie,

22/06/2009 23:42:39
123 Jerry Springer

I can't and don't speak for Spook or anyone else and he has to be responsible for whatever he choses to write and defend it if he needs to do so.

I was merely pointing out that I have not heard the word "spastic" used in conjunction with Downs Syndrome and tried to give my understanding of what "spastic" meant. I'll go and look it up and if I'm mistaken so be it.

I, also, try to make a point of not posting personal insults on this site but if one individual insults another they are asking to be insulted in return.
96

brownlie,

22/06/2009 23:51:17
Jerry Springer

I've just looked up "spastic" and can see no connection with Downs. If there is a connection it must be extremely tenuous.

Anyway, time you children were in bed.

Oidche mhath - I known you're awfy fond of the Gaelic, Rufus.
97

Jerry Springer,

22/06/2009 23:53:55
126 brownlie,22/06/2009 23:42:39
I, also, try to make a point of not posting personal insults on this site but if one individual insults another they are asking to be insulted in return.
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Agreed.

But lets face it, there are insults that fly back and forward here on a daily basis.

I have no quibble with that.

However for someone to make jokes at the expense of people with serious ilnesses is beyond the pale as far as I am concerned. It is beyond contemptible in my book.

Clearly Spook is sick.
98

john z,

edinburgh 23/06/2009 00:24:56
What does Jim p(m)uppet Murphy actually do??

Seriously, why at a time when the entire UK is in a piggin financial mess due to Gordon Browns stupidity, are taxpayers paying for the Scotland office and Murphy.

Seriously, what the fek does that man Murphy get paid a cabinet salary to do???

All I ever see him do, is wilfully and quite deliberately try to undermine the democratically elected government of Scotland whilst generally running Scotland down.

Aside from that he has achieved absolutely b*gger all since getting the job.

 

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