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Published Date: 04 July 2009
AN SNP MP has come under attack from the British National Party, after calling for the UK's immigration rules to be relaxed so that an Indian woman can return to Scotland.
Pete Wishart was ridiculed on the BNP's website and described as a liar and "do-gooder" after raising the case of Nidhi Singh in the House of Commons.

Mrs Singh and her two young daughters were forced to leave their home in Perth after her husband
, Navjot, died in January, months before he would have been resident in the UK long enough to qualify for indefinite leave to remain.

Mrs Singh voluntarily returned to India, as she realised the family's right to stay in the UK was dependent on her husband's status. She is now keen to return to Scotland, where her husband's ashes are scattered and where her daughters went to school.

The Singhs arrived in Perth in 2004 with their first daughter, Kashish, now eight. Their second daughter, Tanisha, was born in Scotland. Mr Singh was employed by insurance firm Aviva.

Mr Wishart, the MP for Perth and North Perthshire, said the case highlighted a lack of flexibility in the immigration system, which he said worked to Scotland's disadvantage as it deprived the country of skilled workers – Mrs Singh has a degree in electronics and communications.

He called for the UK to follow the lead of President Barack Obama's US administration and agree an immediate halt to the deportation of widows.

The SNP wants immigration policy devolved to Holyrood, as it believes this would make it easier to address a projected fall in Scotland's population.

But the BNP said: "The SNP are so desperate to disenfranchise the Scots they would bring someone back to Scotland who, under the law, shouldn't even be living here."

An angry Mr Wishart said: "This attack is deplorable. I don't care what the BNP say about me, but the way they have tried to twist the facts of this case to suit their own nasty agenda is beneath contempt.

"The Singhs were forced out of their home and community at a sad and vulnerable time. Anyone with an ounce of decency will recognise that making a small change to the rules to ensure that this does not happen again is absolutely the right thing to do.

"Given our declining population, Scotland should be encouraging families like the Singhs to stay – not pushing them away."

Mr Wishart raised his concerns with Harriet Harman, the Leader of the Commons, this week.

Ms Harman told him that such cases were dealt with on an individual basis. "Members can ask ministers to intervene and exercise their discretion if the legal process has not produced a result that is considered fair," she said.

Last year, the Home Office reversed plans to deport to India a St Andrews University student, Swarthick Salins – whose cash reserves fell £80 below the £800 minimum required for immigrants under UK rules – after the intervention of the SNP. Mr Salins had lived in Scotland for nine years.





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  • Last Updated: 03 July 2009 9:54 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

Conan the Librarian™,

04/07/2009 00:35:19
The SNP have come under attack by the BNP.

Well, *that* will keep the SNP on their toes.
2

ukrefusenik,

camelon 04/07/2009 00:36:16
proud , very proud . vindicates my decades long assocciation with the party of scotland . i'm sure the widow singh will be an asset to this country , and her children will do less to shame the country than many indigenous scots . as i say,....proud to stand with my fellow nationalist on this .
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Conan the Librarian™,

04/07/2009 01:10:13
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Good morning tovarisch.
Dae ye ken a comrade cried Grahamski?
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ukrefusenik,

camelon 04/07/2009 01:29:05
#4
the white cider drinking , early morning posting , lonely labourite ? i believe i have had the pleasure of ripping him an extra orifice or two , in the bygone days of yore . still in my new emasculated , stranger to controversy ,incarnation , i would be hard pressed to adequately dispose of the least of these diddys . never mind rip them a new one , i do believe we were also gossips of auld
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04/07/2009 01:45:20
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04/07/2009 01:48:57
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BROONISDOOMED,

PITS OF HELL 04/07/2009 01:49:20
http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2008/11/19/labourbnp-the-easter-drylaw-gardens-connection/
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Jerome Peter,

Bridgend 04/07/2009 01:50:19
I haven't read of this case on the BNP's site and it is noticeable that the word liar, that The Scotsman suggests Mr Wishart was branded as in this apparent article hasn't been used in quotation marks.

Is The Scotsman sure the BNP called Mr Wishart a liar, and if so, why not use some whole quotes from the BNP article? Surely if the BNP are so horrible it will backfire on them with potential voters.

This case reminds me of Blackie the donkey. Every Tom Dick and Harriet in journalism claimed to have saved 'little Blackie' from the dastardly Spaniards who were going to poke him full of holes. They ritually kill many donkies and bulls each year.

This Indian woman is being used as a 'Blackie'. She's a propaganda tool. Reminds me of an old Stalin quote (I wonder how familiar Mr Wishart is with his history), 'One death is a tragedy, a million is merely a statistic'. Well the statistics on foreign immigrants coming into this country are unnacceptable in everyones book but the media and communist politicians who are trying to destroy this country through cultural marxism.
9

Scotland Needs YOU,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 01:51:13
‘‘Given our declining population’’ ....

Africans, Indians, Pakistanis, Iraqis, Somalians, Zimbabweans, Koreans, Chinese, Polish, Czechoslovakians, Yugoslavians, Vietnamese, Cubans, Romanians, Bulgarians, Albanians, Jamacians, Kosovans, Ghanaians, Ugandans Austrians, Cypriots, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Slovakians, The Roma et al .... All being brought into Scotland to boost ‘‘Scotlands declining population’’ The kick-in-the-teeth insult to the Scots and Scotland - the Scots cannot sustain themselves as a nation. We are incapable of producing our own children and therefore must import foreigners to enrich our lifeblood. The spectacle of African asylum seekers, more foreigners who deposit their offspring on us, the Scots, to educate, feed, clothe, house, mollycoddle, bearing placards telling us ‘‘WE ARE YOUR LIFEBLOOD’’ and we, the Scots, are told, that’s your shot in the arm - that’s your lifeblood - your future generation who will save the Scots and Scotland.

To Mr Wishart ....

In Scotland we have a growing number of unemployed people and firms are closing down. We are having enough problems keeping our own people let alone foreigners. And what we in Scotland don’t need is you, Mr Pete Wishart, working against the Scottish people.
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Scotland Needs YOU,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 02:08:35
Mr Wishart stated ....

“Her children have started their education here and know no other country.’’

Not so ....

‘‘The couple settled in 2004 in Perth, where their first daughter, Kashish, now eight, enrolled in primary school and a second daughter, Tanisha, was born.’’
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04/07/2009 02:09:28
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04/07/2009 02:11:03
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Edward,

04/07/2009 02:15:44
Scotland does and will always welcome people from any race or culture, the more the merrier. Scotland has a declining population base, due to years of neglect by the Unionists parties, which is why there has always been a steady progression by Scots to seek jobs outside Scotland.
Independence is the answer, to ensure proper inward investment and to ensure a steady population growth
With no UK, the BNP are a dead duck!
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Scotland Needs YOU,

04/07/2009 02:17:05
Edward = FOOL

Typical worthless rant / comment, you’re not welcome anywhere.
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04/07/2009 02:26:47
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truthsleuth,

04/07/2009 02:35:46
Scotland does NOT need any more immigrants
I suspect the reason Mrs Singh wishes to return has more to do with social services than to any real attachment to Scotland.

Let us adopt the same rules similar to Australia relating to immigrants
19

Glenn Quagmire,

04/07/2009 02:51:16
#19 Toothsooth

Airfare to Sydney: £550

I'll chip in a fiver so you can join your Volk. Just send us your Paypal. You'll have to pay the tax though - I can imagine how you feel about folk not paying their taxes.
20

Starance,

Ayrshire 04/07/2009 03:06:13

I want Scotland to open its doors.

I believe that Scotland should be leading the way to allow the Third World a better chance at life. Scotland should have branches setup in places all over Africa and India, including places in Asia minor trying to attract more people to Scotland, regardless of Colour or Faith.

Yes, Scotland has a lot of it's own people unemployed, and finding it difficult to get work or a better education. And, with a NHS postcode lottery, our health system is beginning to slack behind with our younger generation become a bunch of alcohol users.

...Sorry. I don't think that way. As a Nationalist, I believe that the people of Scotland come first, until Scotland has sorted its disgusting poverty levels for a developed country, then we can focus on helping the Third World. Oh no, I'll be branded a racist or fascist because I believe that the people of this Country should come priority, and stop being ignored, and that includes our young generation, whom we continue to ignore and deprive! Until all those hypocrites are ready to exchange lifestyles with people living in the Third World, don't open your bloody mouths!
21

Herman The German,

04/07/2009 03:06:31
#19,
"Let us adopt the same rules similar to Australia relating to immigrants"

The UK Government did as of last week you choob,so off you trot and go play with your Iron Cross and stick-on tach collection.
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04/07/2009 03:19:09
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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 03:32:20
I am indebted to Ms Horrible Cankers (posts passim) for the concept of the "stick-on tach".
24

nabodican,

Newton Stewart 04/07/2009 04:45:55
The BNP are an official political party and as such are no different to the SNP,except for possibly caring more about Britain than the SNP.
I would suggest that one reason many Scots are leaving is because of immigrants.
Illegal immigrants are illegal - end of story.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

04/07/2009 05:11:40
Well done to Pete Wishart as this lady would appear to be an asset to the Perth, or indeed any other community.

The MP is of course quite right to argue for the principle of immigration policy being under the control of the Scottish Parliament as we need Scottish policies for Scottish issues.

As far as the views of the BNP are concerned, I suppose that attacking vulnerable widows and primary school children represents the extent of their intellectual ability.
26

Boy Wonder,

04/07/2009 06:50:23
The BNP and their vile racist policies and language are not wanted in this country. EVER!!!
27

carrottop,

04/07/2009 08:34:32

"The SNP wants immigration policy devolved to Holyrood, as it believes this would make it easier to address a projected fall in Scotland's population"

Do we want to be covered in concrete and reliant on other countries to produce our food, see East London on how unthinking immigration can totally ruin the indigenous culture.

We should concentrate on raising the standard of living of our own people (agree 21#) and weed out the mass production of numpties which we are so good at.

While living in London I noticed that the political groups who went on and on about racism mainly did so to avoid publicising what they were going to do while in power should they get elected, and (surprise) most of them did. It then became quickly obvious that they had no ideas, no policies and not a clue how to run a community.

The SNP now seem to fit into this category. Slag Labour (rightly), get elected, become Labour!
28

BROONISDOOMED,

PITS OF HELL 04/07/2009 08:37:41
Dont be dumb,be a smarty
never join the BNP nazi party
29

Lee John,

04/07/2009 08:52:10
This article gives the lice (Scotland needs YOU etc) of Scotland a chance to blame others for their failings.
30

ddmc,

04/07/2009 08:53:37
so who's twisting the truth then, when this story was 1st published her husband didnt work for Aviva but Wipro who are an Indian IT services company, almost a reverse offshore situation, send Indians onsite in the UK. Why do Wipro win so many contracts ? it's because Mr Singh was paid a lot less than a UK citizen.

Let the family come back when Mrs Singh has a concrete job offer or sponsor.

I think no-one should get state benefit until they have paid into the system for between 3-5 years, except for NHS care which should be available to all. The welfare state is slowly crumbling as we support 4 & 5 generations of our own indigenous wasters without any additional spongers from abroad.
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Iain Mac,

04/07/2009 08:59:05
BNP are nazi scum. Do they think that keeping this woman out will make Scotland a better place?

I agree with the above that said even her kids, who went to school here, would be an asset. Recent government figures show that the kids in Scotland with the highest attainment are Asian, Chinese and Gaelic-medium - probably because all these kids speak 2 or more languages.

Have we not learned from history to put the likes of the BNP with their scaremongering and hatred in the shtheap where they belong?
32

Iain Mac,

04/07/2009 09:03:05
#21- Starance!!! What a tool. Here's a man who needs a lumber. Get him a girl quick!
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Kenny A,

04/07/2009 09:18:37
I am now totaly enraged with the BNP, they represent nothing I hold as decent values. Anybody with a grain of brain knows Singhs are decent hardworking people.

What these tossers seem to forget is that the fact these people are from a military cast and served Britain for centuarys.

Also one of the childern was born here.

The BNP are scum, and I doubt if the are fit for anything except sitting in beer hall ranting away.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 04/07/2009 09:51:13
The vast majority of people, especially those of an older generation, completely ignore the BNP because we remember the Nazi Party.

No doubt the BNP saw this as an opportunity to gain a headline but every time this happens it also serves to remind the British people of its highly dangerous,
racist policies.

Being completely ignored by the Electorate is a marvellous tactic, and just like the BNP's predecessor parties, its anarchist followers will eventually
fail to agree on anything, splinter, and disappear to form another committee.

Unlike the rise of the German Nazis, British
National(sic)parties tend to repeatedly rise........ and repeatedly fall.

The English are far too sensible a race of people to be taken in by society's rejects!
35

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 09:53:49
#9 (posting from outside Scotland, the BNP surf the internet to post on any stories they can find on immigration) states that one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. Well, behind the statistics that the BNP throw at us there are very frequently human tragedies and this is one of them.

Anyone with a grain of decency in their body will feel for this woman and her children and welcome them as valuable additions to our mongrel nation.
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Sgian Achlais,

04/07/2009 09:54:37
I am confused. I have been reading here for years that SNP = BNP from the Brit Nat's.

Indian people are often very motivated and highly skilled well above the national average with a strong work ethic.

If they let her stay I would bet that one or both of those children will be IT Experts/Doctors in the next 20 years. That is not meant to be a stereo type just a statistical fact.

Many in Scotland could learn about work ethic from the Indians who come from much more deprived backgrounds and disadvantages than any on our sink estates who just decide to claim benefits and get pissed.

A lesson in strong family values and bringing up children would not do much of Scotland any harm.
37

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 09:57:34
Why is ''do gooder'' an insult ? We should start calling negative anti-humanity people like the BNP do-badders.
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Sgian Achlais,

04/07/2009 09:59:45
37Observer,, Glasgow 04/07/2009 09:53:49
#9 (posting from outside Scotland, the BNP surf the internet to post on any stories they can find on immigration) states that one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. Well, behind the statistics that the BNP throw at us there are very frequently human tragedies and this is one of them.

Anyone with a grain of decency in their body will feel for this woman and her children and welcome them as valuable additions to our mongrel nation.

=========================
Observer,

You are correct. They just set up google alerts for their specific key words. No surfing involved.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 10:07:05
21 You may be a nationalist but you will find no home with the mainstream Scottish nationalist. The party that represents our views, the SNP, rejects racism and the stigmitising of people from other lands completely. It has consistently stood up for the rights, in particular of children, to be treated decently and fairly. I don't know what country you think you are being nationalistic about but I venture to suggest it isn't this one.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

04/07/2009 10:55:58
#25 nabodican - "Illegal immigrants are illegal - end of story."

Fair point - Enter the country illegally, get caught and you are out - No Detention centres, No appeals, No amnesties, just a ticket back to where you came from and a bill for the ticket.

Mrs Sing has done nothing wrong though, she has followed all the rules and this particular rule is abominable...It is outrageous that a hitherto "legal" resident who's status changes due to unforeseen circumstance, is not afforded the same courtesy we show to patently fraudulent imposters.

She is a victim of a mindless and slothful bureaucracy, faced with "performance targets", they invariably pounce on the law abiding, while turning a blind eye to the criminal.
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/07/2009 11:03:33
24...You're very welcome love...now if they really want to go that one step further and emulate dear fuhrer..they'll nobble a baw....either visit a nice nazi surgeon with his own stick on tach or, if skint, have a fellow nazi whack it back up with a powerful jackboot..or baseball bat...whatevers handy....
42

carrottop,

04/07/2009 11:17:04

To make the point on how twisted the word 'racism' has become please read the next paragraph, decide where you stand on this comment then read the last paragraph and see if it matches up.

The London borough of Newham filled its old folks homes according to the race of the applicant, eg Muslim, Hindu, Afro caribbean, Chinese etc

With the exception of the Muslim it was not because the individual asked for this but because the leftie scum that ran the borough wanted to say 'we thought you would like this and you got it from us' (so vote for us). They had/have the borough so divided on racial lines by not integrating that they themselves have become the racists.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 11:23:09
44
carrottop

Sounds like the kind of gibberish Nick "The Slug" Griffin is forever spouting.

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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 11:23:30
#43.
Nice one :)
45

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

04/07/2009 11:28:10
#43 Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

Some go the whole hog and get the uniform and live the life as well...check out the guy in the top left quarter of the screen at min 1:50 to min 1:60.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKuLtLXl7FI
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JCA REID,

Annan 04/07/2009 11:31:14
So..... the SNP are a racist organisation!
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 11:32:50
48
invictager

"...the overall statistics on immigration are unacceptable."

What statistics?

48

Reject London,

DUNDEE 04/07/2009 11:33:44
1. The BNP are a dangerous set of racist/homophobic thugs

2. Not every SNP voter wants an open door policy to immigration - myself included

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

04/07/2009 11:34:05
re #47

...err min 1:50 to 2 mins.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 04/07/2009 11:41:42
The simple fact about the BNP is it is an odious organisation.

It's single purpose is to achieve a WASP supremacy.

It is the UK's equivalent of the KKK.

People should not be taken in by the BNP's apparent concern for the "indigenous" British people, as the only "indigenous" people they recognise are those whom the BNP decide are British.

Their purpose is the same as the National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1930s. They wish to fragment society to further their own aims of "EIN VOLK".

The really unfortunate aspect of the BNP leadership is that they prey on the most basic element in the human psyche, fear.
The BNP leadership is unscrupulous in their manipulation of its membership which, for the most part, are from the most marginalised in society.

The reality is, that if the BNP leadership were ever to achieve any power in our country, their ordinary members would receive the same treatment as their equivalent in 1930s Germany.
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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 11:42:37
#45.

If it looks like *****and smells like *****,then it is
sh*te!
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 11:44:26
53
invictager

"Why ask me?"

You chose to defend those comments.

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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 11:57:38
#50.

What the baw bag at #9 said was

"Well the statistics on foreign immigrants coming into this country are unnacceptable (sic)"

Ok.

1,Which statistics?

2,Unacceptable to whom?

3,Which other type of immigrant other than foreign do we have?
4, your spelling of unacceptable is unacceptable,go to the bottom of the class and take your stick-on tach with you.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:00:18
57
invictager

Typical BNP BS. They spout jingoistic drivel about "unacceptable statistics", "mass immigration" and "open door policy". But when you challenge them to back up their racist propaganda with a few facts, they immediately retreat into childish insults.

Pathetic!

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DundeeCol,

Dundee 04/07/2009 12:02:03
Isn't it amazing how everyone who disagrees with Edwards point of view is automatically a Nazi? Somebody get this man in MI5, he obviously has a talent!

Scotland has a large enough population at this time regardless if it is in decline or not. We do not need immigration as there can be little arguement that immigration costs us as we try to adapt to allow for them. If anyone cannot see how it costs us then they really have been let down by successive governments education policies.

Where are the SNP to help a housebound disabled resident in Dundee who was injured serving our country and made to stay in a first floor flat?

Where is the SNP to help a Dundee MS sufferer who is made to stay in an inadequate house, damp and in poor state of repair which makes her condition worse?

Where is the SNP to address the social housing deficit in Dundee whilst happy to INCREASE immigration no doubt making a bad problem worse? (yes Dundee is now SNP controlled council)

Where is the SNP promised £100 million promised to wipe out student debt?

Where is the SNP promised 'first time buyers' £2k grant?

Where is the SNP promise of capped class sizes of 18?

And where is the SNP promise to abolish council tax?

May I suggest Mr. Wishart concentrates on his and his partys own failing before looking to alleged flaws in immigration policy and bashing the BNP
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DundeeCol,

Dundee 04/07/2009 12:02:59
Electric Hermit:-

Enough facts above for you to digest?

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:05:25
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DundeeCol

Why shouldn't Pete Wishart and the SNP be there for anyone who needs help, regardless of the colour of their skin?

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:06:23
61
DundeeCol

"Enough facts above for you to digest"

What facts?

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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 12:08:29
48 I think you need to go back and read poster 9's comments again and stop making a fool of yourself.

The BNP do love ''cultural marxism'' and other such nonsense. He's got BNP written all over him.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:17:59
65
Big Jock McDoc

"Here's some facts and figures about immigration"

Had you been just a little bit smarter you might have thought to read the piece before referring to it. What it shows is not a problem with immigration as you seem to imagine, but a problem with the labour market and the way it is distorted by the imperatives of capitalism.

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DundeeCol,

Dundee 04/07/2009 12:24:51
Electric Hermit:-

I have listed several factual failings of the SNP. My god you are a victim too, you just don't realise it!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 12:24:54
67 Was he posting an opinion, or posting propoganda ? Let's go back to what he said, quoting Stalin, that one death was a tragedy but a million was a statistic.

That's how the BNP operate you have only got to look at what they say, they dehumanise people. They don't want you to think of people as individuals; they want you to think of them as statistics.

Don't fall for it.

The action Wishart is taking is in relation to three human beings and the situation they find themselves in, that's what posters should be addresing.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 12:29:36
71 On other threads you come across as a nationalist. This is a Scottish story about an issue relative to Scotland. We are not in the same position as England, the facts of the matter are entirely different. Are you Scottish when it suits you ?
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DundeeCol,

Dundee 04/07/2009 12:31:42
#71 Cannot argue with this.

However PART of solving or at least preventing the worsening of this mess is to halt immigration.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:31:43
67
invictager

"...others are entitled to an opinion."

Not all opinions are equally valid. Opinions based on nothing more than the blind prejudice born of primitive fear and ignorance have no validity at all.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 04/07/2009 12:32:56
#69, DundeeCol.

Electric Hermit is a "victim" of what, exactly?
67

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:34:01
69
DundeeCol

"I have listed several factual failings of the SNP"

You have regurgitated some Tory/BLP alliance sound-bites that have nothing to do with the topic.

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DundeeCol,

Dundee 04/07/2009 12:40:46
#72

Latest unemployment figures showed that on average nearly 700 Scots have lost their jobs on every working day for the past three months.

The number of people unemployed in Scotland, stands at 176,000, a rate of 6.6 per cent.

Latest 07/08 figures shows 38,500 immigrants arriving in Scotland from overseas. No doubt latest figures will be higher.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:41:09
71
Big Jock McDoc

"The article is about how Labour imported Labour because it was unable or unwilling to deal with the problem of 5 million UK unemployed/economically inactive."

Capitalism wasn't invented by the present government. You seem to imagine that they have been sufficiently effectual to actually contrive the situation. Deluded nonsense! The socio-economic imperatives of capitalism pre-date this government by decades. These imperatives run far deeper and in currents far stronger than can possibly be addressed by policy-making driven by focus on the next election, far less the next headline.
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Phil Bryant,

London 04/07/2009 12:43:01
Harriet Harman's 'Equality Bill' will legalize discrimination against white men in the work place. I wonder how many of the so-called 'anti-racists' above will be venting their spleens over this gross example of 'waycism'!

Silly me, only whites can be racist (should have known better...)
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:48:28
78
DundeeCol

"Latest 07/08 figures shows 38,500 immigrants arriving in Scotland from overseas. No doubt latest figures will be higher."

The blinkered concentration on immigration is a dead give-away. Les prejudiced individuals will realise that the significant statistic is net migration. And it is only in that last few years that Scotland has managed to reverse decades of population decline.

Mrs Singh and her children appear to be exactly the kind of people Scotland needs. All credit to Pete Wishart for taking up their case.

http://tiny.pl/3398

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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 12:51:12
81 did I attempt to limit #9's freedoom of speech ? I just pointed out that in claiming that this woman's story was propoganda HE was posting propganda. I think comparing this lady to a donkey was a bit of a giveaway.

His sort use the internet all the time. Click on any story like this and you will find them posting statistics (dubious ones) and lies about how indigenous people are all going to be swamped by immigrants so they'll be strangers in their own lands, and it's all done by lefties and cultural marxists etc etc.

I just pointed that out. I've got free speech too.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 12:53:01
83 Actually it doesn't affect us all. Scotland has nothing like the levels of immigration that England has had. Which is why I find it puzzling that many Scots make posts which gives the impression that we have.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:54:15
80
Phil Bryant

"Silly me, only whites can be racist..."

The term "silly" hardly seems adequate to describe such an inane comment. Racism is a HUMAN folly. Every human being is susceptible to the primitive fear and ignorance that gives rise to the fallacies of the racist mindset.

It is the less intellectually acute who most readily fall victim to this cognitive malady.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 04/07/2009 12:54:51
#60, DundeeCol.

"Where is the SNP promised £100 million promised to wipe out student debt?"

Due to the lowest rise in the SB allocation, in a decade, this could not be met. However the Graduate Endowment was scrapped saving students £2000+.


"Where is the SNP promised 'first time buyers' £2k grant?"

Having taken the advice of experts, in the area of housing, including Charities, the SNP Government switched the proposed monies to more social housing projects allowing significant Council House building for the first time in a decade.


"Where is the SNP promise of capped class sizes of 18?"

This is a work in progress and, the pupil/teacher ratio in Scotland has improved overall.


"And where is the SNP promise to abolish council tax?"

Due to the machinations of Westminster and the Unionist Alliance at Holyrood, The SNP Government has been unable to scrap CT.
These have been proved to be machinations by the Calman Report.

Also, despite the opposition of the Unionist Alliance the SNP Government has been able to freeze CT thus benefitting tha people of Scotland.

You see, DundeeCol, the SNP Government is working, where it can, in the interests of the people of Scotland despite the naked antagonism and obstructionism of the Unionist Alliance.

And, on point, Pete Wishart is showing common humanity in his representation of this family; a trait that is sadly lacking in the philosophy of the BNP.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 12:59:46
83
Big Jock McDoc

While it may be satisfying at a very shallow level to point the finger of blame, it is a total fallacy to imagine that the underlying socio-economic problems of capitalist society are the product of any particular party or government.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:03:47
81
invictager

"Lets make it absolutely clear right off. I have never at any time supported or voted the BNP..."

But you are happy to regurgitate their propaganda.

"A bit of a wind up is one thing but there are lines that cannot be crossed and he/she was very close to libelling me."

The pathetic attempt at intimidation might have been a bit more convincing had you known that, in Scotland, it is called defamation, not libel.

78

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:06:31
94
Big Jock McDoc

"Labour have had 11 years to try and sort out the problem."

What problem are you referring to?

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Stormer McGiffen,

04/07/2009 13:08:26
Starance is an official of the BNP in Scotland.
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Rosebush,

Prestonpans 04/07/2009 13:18:13
Is it Nazi to desire effective and consistent border control? Better that the electorate chooses who comes rather than illegals choose to admit themselves. ''Crimewatch UK'' stars 'interesting' people every week that should never have been admitted to these islands. I'm not saying this lady is of that ilk. We have yet to pay the real price of NuLabours uncontrolled immigration.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:22:17
99
Rosebush

Try to keep up. This topic isn't about "illegals". It is about a family who, by any measure of humanity and good sense, should have right of abode in Scotland.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:29:54
97
Big Jock McDoc

"Reform of the welfare state which has resulted in them having to import labour which is detailed in the article"

Your mistake lies in imagining this to have been a matter of intentional policy-making rather than part of a process over which no government in living memory has exercised any control.

The result of the shallow thinking that apportions blame rather than seeking causes is that we keep electing politicians of various hues without ever changing the system within which those politicians operate.


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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:33:07
102
invictager

"The family cannot have "right of abode in Scotland"..."

I notice you are not up to explaining why you imagine this to be so.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:34:27
101
invictager

If I was allergic to pathetic whining, I'd be breaking out in a rash after reading that.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:38:09
106
Big Jock McDoc

"Shallow thinking?"

Very.

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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 13:40:24
#96.Correct!
At post #23 I put up a link to Starance's My Space page.

He keched his breeks and had it removed.
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Rosebush,

Prestonpans 04/07/2009 13:42:43
100 - Electric Hermit.
As I said I'm not suggesting she is illegal. In my book
Consistent = humanitarian = good sense
Any other strategy is unwise and divisive. If she qualifies she should stay, if not then India is a fine democratic country.
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Artemis,

04/07/2009 13:43:41
I'd rather have a hundred thousand Indian widows with their daughters in Scotland than one member of the BNP.
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IainGlasgow,

04/07/2009 13:50:16
Pete Wishart has had a dintinguished career both as a musician and one of a rare breed of honest politicians in the house of commons.

Nick Griffin by contrast is a vile, odious, disgusting little nothing (I won't even use the word "man") and shoud just crawl back under the rock where it came from.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:55:26
108
Big Jock McDoc

"That's your opinion and that is all it is, an opinion."

Informed, considered opinion. That's what makes the difference.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 13:55:47
90 So you are taking an anti-immigration stance because of something that has happened, or you think has happened, in another country ?

That's not an entirely logical position is it.

I think we should keep in mind that this particular case relates to Scotland. We are not so full up that we can't accommodate this family who show every sign of being good citizens.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 04/07/2009 13:57:01
#98, Big Jock McDoc.

Perhaps you should consider the situation in its entirity.

".... employers exploiting foreign labour."

In what way are the employers exploiting foreign labour?
Are they being paid less than they would be in their country of origin?
Are they being paid less than the UK minimum wage?

With regard to the "indigenous" workers, why are they on fixed contracts with no holiday or pension rights?
Why are these "indigenous" workers prepared to work under these conditions?

There is a serious problem, but it has little to do with foreign labour; it has a great deal, though, to do with libertarian capitalism.

Libertarian capitalism is a weeping sore on society and, unfortunately is supported by the present NuLabour Government which refuses to embed, in our society, laws that will prohibit the exploitation of workers, regardless of their race, creed, colour, disability etc, etc.

No company should have the right to employ people without providing the right of those workers to participate in a pension plan, have a holiday entitlement and a contract that is binding on both parties.

What is certain is, that this is not going to happen if the BNP were ever to have any say in the legislative process in this country.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:57:38
110
Rosebush

"Consistent = humanitarian = good sense"

There has to be enough flexibility to take account particular circumstances.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 13:59:28
114
Stormer McGiffen

Posters here are entitled to anonymity. Publishing personal details is totally unacceptable.

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Edward,

04/07/2009 14:00:37
The quicker we have Independence the better
1. In an Independent Scotland, Scotland wuld be responsible for immigration and work according to Scotlands needs and welcome openly all from any race or religion those who wish to make a viable contribution to Scotland
2. With an Independent Scotland, tghe likes of the 'BNP' and 'UKIP' will no longer be seen as relevant to either England or Scotland as there will be no Union flag for them to wrap themselves up in and the likes of the BNP and UKIP wil be consigned to the dustbin of history. No doubt in England the BNP will revert to being the National Front, which was their previous odious incarnation
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 14:09:06
120
Big Jock McDoc

"I base my opinion of the results that has happened caused by a policy in another country. I don't like what I see therefore I don't want that policy repeated in my country."

What policy?

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 14:17:30
121
Big Jock McDoc

"So you are saying the present Labour government is unable to reform the welfare state which has resulted in the UK having to import labour even though it had massive majorities?"

I'm saying your focus is too narrow, and your thinking too shallow, for you to be able to appreciate what I am saying. And you keep proving that point every time you post.

You make the foolish mistake of imagining that a change of government will lead to different outcomes in terms of the underlying economic imperatives, rather than the surface tinkering which is far as you are able to see.

Here is the simple truth that you have to get your head around before you will be able to comment sensibly. If there had been a Tory government with exactly the majority for exactly the same time as Labour have been in office, we would be exactly where we are now.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 04/07/2009 14:18:03
Big Jock McDoc.

So far, in your comments, we've had immigrants, foreign workers and, latest, gays.

How very Germany 1930s!!!

When will the Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Trade Unionists get their mention? After all, aren't they also, a threat to WASP supremacy?
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 14:20:01
123
Big Jock McDoc

"Just two examples to prove my point."

In what way do these examples prove any point? Other than that there are people willing to break the law for personal gain. This says nothing at all about immigration policy.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 14:34:48
124
Big Jock McDoc

"In the reply to observer, I am talking about the effects of immigration in England."

You referred to a "policy". What policy were you referring to?

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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 15:07:47
#118.

This information is in the public domain.

If Joe Gibson aka Starance is thick enough to post all over the net with the same nick name he deserves all he gets.
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Stormer McGiffen,

04/07/2009 15:18:30
129
Does he post all over the internet on behalf of the BNP?
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 15:19:46
129
Herman The German

If a contributor elects to forsake their anonymity elsewhere that is their business. You are not entitled to make that decision on their behalf in this place.

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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 15:20:50
In this regard;
Please be aware that most prospective employers will check job applicant's pages on Face Book,Bebo and the like.

So think twice before putting up pictures of the stag night in Prague,details of your political affiliations or sexual preferences.
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Jonas Jonaitis,

Edinburgh 04/07/2009 15:21:11
It's funny when people talk about the snp being nationalist. That is something they are not and should change the name to the scottish civic party.They dont care who they let into this country and as for scotland being independant and able to control the borders is more pie in the sky as its the eu that controls them. Scotland will never be an independant nation on its own.But the snp want us to be independant in europe, again no such thing with the eu.

Yet again we have people commenting calling others nazi's if they support the BNP or are against immigration.

I stay in dumbryden and the amount of third worlder's moving in is not right, it will change the face of Edinburgh and not for the good of Edinburgh.

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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 15:23:53
#130

Is the pope a catholic?

Google Starance.
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Stormer McGiffen,

04/07/2009 15:26:37
134

It could be embarrasing for the BNP, he's illiterate.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 15:28:31
133
Jonas Jonaitis

The SNP represents civic nationalism.

Your neo-Nazi heroes in the BNP peddle the vile ideology of ethnic nationalism.

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Jonas Jonaitis,

04/07/2009 15:32:32
133 and 134. I have nothing to do with the BNP. Call me nazi all you want, it does not bother me at all what a couple of idots on the scotsman forum think.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 15:35:50
137
The Einheriar

"...the constructive genocide programme that successive British Governments had designed to replace the indigenous white population of Britain..."

You are, of course, quite insane. Which means you are probably qualified to stand as a neo-Nazi/BNP candidate.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 15:36:57
139
The Einheriar

"Apologies, please substitute Aleviate for eliviate in my penultimate line in the above post"

Typos are the least of your problems.

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Jonas Jonaitis,

04/07/2009 15:45:31
The SNP reject ideas of Scottishness defined in terms of ethnicity.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 15:50:09
142
Jonas Jonaitis

"The SNP reject ideas of Scottishness defined in terms of ethnicity."

And a good thing too. Otherwise they would be as despicable as the BNP and nobody would vote for them.

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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 15:59:23
Joesph(Mengele) Gibson aka Starance is a busy boy when he is not playing with his stick-on tach.
Check out his rantings on stormfront a BNP web site.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/search.php?searchid=7305472
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 16:08:08
145
The Einheriar

You are quite insane. Not least because you imagine all Muslims to be as consumed by hatred as your pitiful self.

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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 16:10:11
#145.

My grandfather fell victim to this line of propaganda in 1933.

Show me the stats to which you refer.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 16:10:47
145
The Einheriar

"Imagine how many 7/7 like incidents are likely to occur in the future!"

That's what you're hoping for, isn't it? Nasty little neo-Nazi!

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 16:13:01
148
invictager

Are you still whining?

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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 16:14:18
The BNP are absolutely correct its better to fill Scotland up with right wing beer swilling tattooed brain dead white skinned thugs than family orintated intelligent potentially high skilled professionals with brown skin.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 16:15:58
151
The Einheriar

"If you are not of Celtic, Pictish, Gaelic or Nordic extraction you cannot lay claim to Scottishness!"

Your are quite insane. Ethnicity may have a place in genealogical studies. It is totally irrelevant in the area of public policy.

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James (1),

04/07/2009 16:17:16
#115 I think you are a wee bit confused! Either you use past events to predict and avoid possible future events being repeated. For example people on this site are using past Nazi equating to future BNP. We don't want it happening again. Seems logical?
So if we view what is happening in England then we don't want it happening in Scotland. That seems to make sense?
The case is that if someone is here LEGALLY then fine but if not then bye bye!
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Herman The German,

04/07/2009 16:18:06
#145

Put up or shut up.
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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 16:20:49
145

"According to Gov.Stats. Birmingham will have a white race hating Muslim majority in 10 years."

"Leceister will have a white race hating majority within 4 Years."
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So what was the question that helped to determine this poll result? I take it these stats come from a poll result which states "white hating Muslims"? I dont suppose there is a link to it on the web is there?
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 16:22:26
154
James (1)

"So if we view what is happening in England then we don't want it happening in Scotland. That seems to make sense?"

Do you mean what is really happening in England? Or do you mean what the neo-Nazis of the BNP and their sympathisers want people to believe is happening?

And here's a bit of news that you might find quite startling. Scotland is not England. Totally different demographics.

"The case is that if someone is here LEGALLY then fine but if not then bye bye!"

Is somebody suggesting otherwise? Apart from the voices in your head, that is.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 16:27:17
154
James (1)

"The case is that if someone is here LEGALLY then fine but if not then bye bye!"

This is characteristic of the sleakitness of the BNP/NF scum. They will spew their hate-mongering filth in generalisations. Only when their racist lies are challenged do they start to insist that they were only referring to "illegals".

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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 16:30:46
145

Its actually illegal for the government to produce such statistics. So you are obviously a bare faced lying git.
132

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 16:37:52
161

So how about backing up your garbage at 145 with the evidence?
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 16:45:28
159
invictager

"To explain another of your lies at #104 the family cannot have the right of abode in Scotland because there is no such legal staus in UK Law."

You are wrong. Right of Abode is a status introduced by the 1971 Immigration Act.

I suspect you are making a futile effort to be clever by being mind-numbingly pedantic about this. Before you embarrass yourself further, allow me to point out that Scotland continues to be a part of the UK for the time being.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 16:48:12
161
invictager

"You nuliebour disciples..."

Hilarious! I'm sure all those who have actually read my comments about the British Labour Party will be equally amused by your foolishness.

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04/07/2009 16:51:19
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04/07/2009 16:56:15
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 17:06:38
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The Einheriar

"...the advanced guard of the constructive Genocide mechanism making advances..."

Totally insane!

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qohldr,

04/07/2009 17:07:54
I have only glanced through the comments so I apologise now if this has already been pointed out.

The article says.
Mrs Singh voluntarily returned to India, as she realised the family's right to stay in the UK was dependent on her husband's status.
Yet Mr Wishart is quoted as saying "This attack is deplorable. I don't care what the BNP say about me, but the way they have tried to twist the facts of this case to suit their own nasty agenda is beneath contempt.
The Singhs were forced out of their home and community at a sad and vulnerable time.
Who is twisting facts to suit their agenda, If Mrs Singh voluntarily returned to India how can Mr Wishart state she was forced out of her home and community.
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 17:08:59
168
invictager

Oh dear! Despite the gracious warning, you nonetheless chose to continue making a fool of yourself. Nobody can say I didn't try.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 17:10:21
173
invictager

Squirmy! Squirmy!

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 17:12:52
169
The Einheriar

"You missed the wit contained in "nuliebour".

The poster was having a dig at their probity, New "Lie"bour! instead of the familiar New Labour, emphasis on lie!"

Duh-uh! Thanks for explaining that.

(Pssst! Who is this nutter?)

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 17:21:04
172
qohldr

Did you bother to read the article?

"Mrs Singh voluntarily returned to India, as she realised the family's right to stay in the UK was dependent on her husband's status. She is now keen to return to Scotland..."

The word "voluntarily" is The Scotsman's. It is not Pete Wishart's or Mrs Singh's.

Mrs Singh and her family were obliged to leave their home in Scotland because of an unforeseen change in their circumstances which altered their status. They went back to India so as not to be labelled as being in this country illegally.

The point is, should the death of her husband have put Mrs Singh and her daughters in this invidious position? Is it fair? Is it just?

I think most decent, fair-minded people will agree that it is not. It is one of those occasions when the authorities should use the discretion available to them and allow the Singh family to return to Scotland.

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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 17:34:45
178
invictager

I have never spouted BNP propaganda. Couldn't do it.

"...some of us poor sods have work."

Multi-tasking is a useful skill.

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KnowingMeKnowingYou,

Scotland 04/07/2009 17:50:28
I can appreciate that Mrs Singh had just suffered a bereavement but SHE CHOSE to leave.

The law is there for a reason or do you wish to descend into anarchy?

The Fact that the SNP, who latched onto this woman for publicity reasons so that they like like the good (multicultural) guys, used this woman is more sickening to me than the BNP reporting on it.

I though you had to have skin like a Rhino to be in politics?

Mr Wishart should find himself some real Scots and sort out their problems

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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 18:07:27
166

So the only place these so called stats exist is on extremist affiliated sites. Extremist propaganda bullsh** made up tripe for the kind of people you wouldnt want as neighbours. And who conducted the survey which determined these figures? and what was the question that was asked in order to determine the results?

Dare you show any detail? or will you stick with your generalised opinionated biggoted tripe as a foundation for your own sick predudices?
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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 18:09:55
181

Funny how nobody complained when Zola Budd was allowed to bend immigration laws eh?
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/07/2009 18:11:36
47...Aye...jist had a swatch...dead ringer fir der fuhrer...looks like he has a fine collection in stick oan taches that yin...probably waxes it anaw.......
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

04/07/2009 18:17:21
#181 KnowingMeKnowingYou,

"Mr Wishart should find himself some real Scots and sort out their problems"

"Real Scots" so we are told...Read The Record.

All hope of solving their problems, was abandoned long ago.
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KnowingMeKnowingYou,

04/07/2009 18:21:31
Actually I'm a right-wing Tory.

A lion born in a stable does not make it a horse.

Britain is having a hard enough time of it right now and unfortunately we can't offer everyone the "good life" that they hope for.

You either follow the law all of the time or none of the time.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

04/07/2009 18:40:45
#187 KnowingMeKnowingYou - "Actually I'm a right-wing Tory."

Can't say I've heard that one before...even as a gambit.
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James (1),

04/07/2009 18:44:49
#157 yes someone is suggesting otherwise! YOU!

You said "Mrs Singh left because otherwise she would have been here illegally."

Now you defend her right to be here. Why? Had she stayed she to quote you in part "would have been here illegally."
That is the problem with this country, too many are here illegally and people like you condone it with your come one come all policy.
Anyone else MUST BE a Nazi or racist. It does not sink into your head that they just might be wanting only those that are here to be here legally.
By the way this woman is unique so don't try to make out otherwise.
She would in my view make an excellent citizen. If we could only get rid of all illegals perhaps we could start making exceptions.
As it is she is illegal so bye bye!

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nabodican,

Newton Stewart 04/07/2009 18:45:36
I think a lot of the thousands of people who voted BNP in the European elections would object to being called Nazi scum and fascists.
I would suggest that they are in the main, nationalists just as the SNP are nationalists.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 18:48:51
Christ it doesn't take them long does it. From a thread about an Indian lady who wants to return to Scotland, we get them crawling out from under their rocks to state that English cities are being swamped by white hating muslims who are going to blow us up.

I wish they would get another script, as that one is frankly boring.

And just because there has been a higher incidence of immigration in England than in Scotland doesn't mean that we have to close the door, there is no logic in that whatsoever. Scotland is a different country and has a different demography. England can be described as overcrowded (although much of that relates to London, the same as any other metropolis) but we are not.

I can only conclude from all this that most racists are thick.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 18:49:51
190 100% wrong. Well done, you too can join the ranks of the thickos.
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James (1),

04/07/2009 18:52:10
Psst! #191 you forgot to change your name to Electric Hermit and have posted under Observer.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

04/07/2009 18:58:26
#189 James (1)

How is she "illegal"?

She is a previouslly legal resident, who left when her circumstances changed.

One of her children was born here, the other has spent most of her life here and her husband is buried here, she would like to return LEGALLY.

What is your problem with that?
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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 19:11:27
190

If the BNP are nationalists in the same vein as the SNP then just exactly who are they trying to obtain their Independence from?
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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 19:14:02
189

Iraq and Afganistan is full of illegal Americans and Brits right now should we use the same legislation to get them out as well?
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

04/07/2009 19:16:20
190 nabodican,

There is so far no evidence that you are able to think at all.
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Ugly George,

04/07/2009 19:20:08
#194

The woman is a single parent with no relevant work experience or other visible means of support.

She does not meet the criteria required of one wishing to domicile in the UK legally.

Simple as that - entry denied!
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James (1),

04/07/2009 19:21:33
#194 "previouslly legal " & "she would like to return LEGALLY"

If I assume you meant previously legal then the fact her husband was alive made it so. It is like saying previously she was married.
She is not married now and therefore she would not be here legally.

I (for what it's worth) have no problem with this woman and her children being here. However the rules are there to obey. You do not apply and ignore them just because you support a particular person. One set of rules for all should be the aim.
That would be one good reason for bringing in ID cards for all persons entering this country. So we can boot out those who should not be here.
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James (1),

04/07/2009 19:23:13
#196 you cannot have it both ways. Those that are here are being allowed to stay so why not the Americans and British?
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 19:24:49
189
James (1)

I trust you will be mindful of your rigid approach to the law when you or your neo-Nazi chums are in the dock.

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James (1),

04/07/2009 19:26:15
#198 "The woman is a single parent with no relevant work experience or other visible means of support."

You have described most of the women in this country who are from the poorer side of the tracks.
We do not need to import!
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Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 19:28:19
190
nabodican

"I think a lot of the thousands of people who voted BNP in the European elections would object to being called Nazi scum and fascists."

If you fly with the crows....

They don't want to be associated with neo-Nazi scum then they shouldn't associate with neo-Nazi scum.

"I would suggest that they are in the main, nationalists just as the SNP are nationalists."

Until you learn the difference between ethnic nationalism (BNP) and civic nationalism (SNP) you woul do yourself a favour by refraining from comment.

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Allan(handofgod137),

04/07/2009 19:29:03
Truth is, they're right. Scotland needs no more immigrants, what it does need is a radical overhaul of the social security system, and the giro monkeys made to work or starve.
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James (1),

04/07/2009 19:31:39
#201 There you go again! Just because someone wants to apply the law, that does not fit your come one come all attitude they become some thug who is going to end up in court. What utter nonsense.
Grow up! You have your view and I have mine. Your view (if I understand you) would allow everyone to enter this country. Mine would allow only those who meet the criteria.
Your view is once you are here you are safe to stay.
Mine is, if we catch you then no matter how long you have been here you are out!
I am not picking on anyone. I am just applying the law.
170

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 19:40:32
205
James (1)

"...your come one come all attitude..."

Straw man alert! This is where you show yourself to be an idiot. Just because someone isn't singing from your nasty little racist hymn-sheet doesn't mean they are in favour of some mythical "open-door" policy. In reality, I am very much in favour of much more rigorous immigration control. But based on the facts of the situation and not the lies peddled by neo-Nazi scum.

Migration is a management issue and should be dealt with as such. It is your pals in the BNP and their sympathisers who have turned it into a political "hot potato". If you all just slithered back under your rocks then the sane people could get down to having a rational discussion about practical measures.

171

Ugly George,

04/07/2009 19:42:07
#204

Scotland is a nation of giro monkeys - so it comes as no surprise that is a giro monkey of a nation.

#202

You are right - we do not need to import any more giro monkeys.

We have too many giro monkeys as it is.

Giro monkeys I like the sound of that - it is an excellent turn of phrase.

Thank you number 204.
172

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 19:44:07
208
Ugly George

"Giro monkeys I like the sound of that - it is an excellent turn of phrase."

Just the sort of thing that would appeal to someone whose entire philosophy is constructed from Daily Mail headlines.

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James (1),

04/07/2009 19:50:53
#207 I am no more a BNP supporter than you are. Is your more rigorous immigration control you speak of to select only those whom you like?
(Kind of like Nazis did during the war. Is that what you want?) Mmmm! Maybe you are a BNP supporter?

Is there any post where you have acknowledged someone with a different view to you without calling them names?

"Migration is a management issue and should be dealt with as such."
That is what should be done. Apply the rules and boot out anyone who does not meet the criteria. No exceptions, rules is rules. (Made by managers so you will be happy with that and totally agree I am sure?)
174

KnowingMeKnowingYou,

04/07/2009 19:54:33
I think this story was a little too close to home for Electric Hermit!
175

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 19:54:59
210
James (1)

"I am no more a BNP supporter than you are."

The krap you peddle could have come straight from one of Nick "The Slug" Griffin's speeches.

"Is your more rigorous immigration control you speak of to select only those whom you like?"

It takes a seriously twisted mind to get to that from what I have written. The kind of twisted mind that supports neo-Nazis.

176

KnowingMeKnowingYou,

04/07/2009 19:55:07
And at his age too!
177

Ugly George,

04/07/2009 19:55:53
#209

THE MIDDLE CLASSES ARE LOOSING FAITH WITH THE POLICE

due to

THE SCOURGE OF THE LADETTE THUGS

but it is all right now because

BIGGS WILL DIE IN PRISON
178

James (1),

04/07/2009 19:58:51
#212 You are the one who wants to pick and choose who gets in. If you like them they are in, if not etc.
You want to hide under some other guise. So you are not a Nazi?
What does your more rigorous immigration control involve then?

Of the two of us I have to say you are coming over as more BNP than I am!
179

Fitba Krazy,

04/07/2009 19:58:52
Anyone should be able to go and visit anywhere they feel like going on the planet without hindrance due to racist and religious fascism.

Obviously Scotland could not cope with the population or even a small percentage of the population of India, China or Africa turning up here simultaneously although that is unlikely we still need some kind of control for permanent or long term residency due to the size of Scotland and it's antiquated infra-structure following centuries of continued neglect and abuse by consecutive Unionist Govs. in Westminster.

The fact that this woman and her children already lived here but were deemed illegal as a consequence of a bereavement is a callous rule no doubt made up by the Westminster club of liars and thieves as that is the sort of two-faced, hypocritical form those cretins are well known for and you do not have to be an immigrant to experience that.

The BNP are just as bad as Labour and the Tories and have no mandate in Scotland whatsoever.

There is a difference between mass immigration and the inclusion of a single family who already resided here and the clowns in Westminster although pretty thick at the best of times should at least be aware of that.

She and her children should not have had to leave in the first place and the fact that she had to just shows how heinous the corrupt Westminster Parliament actually is.

Scottish Independence from that shower of self serving ogres is imperative if we are to prosper in any way whatsoever. Anyone who cannot see that has a serious problem in my opinion.

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Ugly George,

04/07/2009 20:02:26
#210
"No exceptions, rules is rules"

Rules are for the guidance of the wise - and to be blindly obeyed by fools.

Other than that you are bang on side - you old giro monkey you!
181

Ugly George,

04/07/2009 20:05:21
Giro monkey -I love it.
182

James (1),

04/07/2009 20:06:09
#219 If you change the rule then you still have to apply the new ones. A bad rule will always be a bad rule but until it is changed it is the rule and just because you don't like a rule does not make it a bad rule. (how many times did I use the word rule?)
183

KnowingMeKnowingYou,

04/07/2009 20:15:37
Being Atheist and believing that the Hermit represents the quest for wisdom? Wisdom or Left-wing brainwashing?

At least you are not banned on here for your rather interesting views!
184

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 20:30:13
204

Sounds like you want a job as a concentration camp guard to me? how far away is work or starve to work or be gassed?
185

Ugly George,

04/07/2009 20:31:43
#221

I preferred the old Imperial rules, the dual Imperial/metric rules were a bit of a curates egg.

The new euro-fascist metric only rules are bad rules and it is not only I who dislike them.

Why? you may ask - because these metric rules have displaced the indigenous Imperial rules and are close to driving them into the sea.

Don't lecture me on rules Jamie lad - I know all about rules.

Have you had enough of "rules" yet?
186

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 20:35:16
216 Spot on. This is not an article about mass immigration, it's an article about an individual family and their tragic circumstances.

But you just can't keep the looney right down, they love these stories, you are guaranteed they will post racist rubbish and Islamophobic sentiment in their droves.

That's why I always post back - it's not in the hope of convincing any of them, as they are beyond reason, but I would hate people to think their neandethal views were representative of Scotland; they're not.
187

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 20:38:04
208

Of course the real name for "giro monkeys" is "those people who have worked their a*ses off and paid up their national insurance contributions as a safety net for when they lose their jobs due to the incompetance of management or government" then you have those other "giro monkeys" who can be defined as "those people who cant work due to injury or infirment either they were born with or suffered while working"
Ugly by name ugly by nature and pig ignorant to boot. I hope you are lucky because you obviously dont have much else going for you.
188

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 20:40:49
There are going to be quite a few ''giro monkeys'' around pretty soon, already there are 7,000 of them turned into giro monkeys by the banks laying them off. I wonder if the people about to lose their jobs in Kilmarnock will be giro monkeys too.

The real giro monkeys are the assholes in Westminster who led us into this catastrophic economic state.

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James (1),

04/07/2009 20:40:52
#224 Those who support the imperial rule normally get lost applying it. 240 pennys to the pound. 14 pounds to the stone. How much is a stone? 3360 pennys apparently.
The rule is that we each can apply our own rule to the situation under scrutiny. My rule will always be the one that is right.
For example I have a foot rule and that is "never wash your feet with your socks on".
Simple and easy to follow, as a rule.
190

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 20:42:23
198

No relevant work experiance she has a degree in electronics and communications no doubt obtained from a UK university. I would swop her any day for any right wing ignorant white faced biggoted prat any day of the week. I would rather have her as a neighbour than an ignorant git like you for sure.
191

James (1),

04/07/2009 20:43:55
#227 So the answer to this would be to open up the doors welcoming all?
We could however become really selective and only take in those who will assist this country?
192

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 20:44:39
198

You dont meet the criteria of somebody who should be allowed to live or even visit Scotland.
193

James (1),

04/07/2009 20:47:01
#229 Now you want to promote the slave trade? You are talking about real people here. You cannot swap people about no matter how eager you are to do so.
You should be ashamed of yourself!
194

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 20:47:35
230 You seem to have missed a somewhat salient point.

This woman doesn't want to enter the country - she wants to re-enter it. She was already here and voluntarily left to comply with the rules.

If she had stayed and been an illegal I doubt very much whether she would have been deported - most people have hearts that beat, not that are made of stone, and to deport a widow and her two fatherless children would not have gone down well in the press now would it ? It wouldn't have happened.

So she is, in effect, being punished for compliance with the law.

That's ridiculous.
195

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 20:47:37
230

What wrong with taking each case on its individual merits? if somebody can prove they can be a asset then whats the problem with letting them in if they cant then fine they dont get in. We can swap them out for local wasters and neo prats who have nothing better to do all day than to make life difficult for everybody around them.
196

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 20:50:27
232

Most of us are slaves havent you cottoned onto to that little fact yet? or are you one of our favoured few who is above the law?
197

James (1),

04/07/2009 20:58:12
#233 If anyone is missing the point I would suggest it is you.
This woman left because she had no right to be here. That is as it should be. Good for her, she did the right thing. You appear to want to reward her for complying with the rules.
Everybody should be forced to comply with the rules and not pandered to because of the bleeding heart brigade. By all means change the rules but not on a case by case.
If she had stayed, there should be an actual system in place to put her out.
She is not being punished because she had no right to be here.
This is what is wrong with the system because the goody two shoes types want all waifs and strays accommodated.
198

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 20:58:27
236 The Soviet Union didn't disappear local wasters and neo prats it disappeared people who were opposed to its system of state capitalism.
199

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:00:08
237 You call a young widow and her two children waifs and strays.

I just have to assume that from reading your posts you are joking. Don't you think that's in rather bad taste ?
200

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:05:29
240 There has been a debate about mass immigration since the 1960's. By now the descendants of immigrants are supposed to have overtaken the ''indigenous'' population (although unless you are pictish none of us in Scotland are actually indigenous, apart from Robbie), the black man is supposed to have the upper hand over the white man, and we are all supposed to be drowning in rivers of blood.
201

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:07:20
241 That's what I said. If you didn't agree with the Societ Union's system of state capitalism you went to the Gulags.
202

James (1),

04/07/2009 21:09:14
#239 I would like to retract the waifs and strays comment. I acknowledge these are real people we are talking about and a flippant comment like that was crass.
I apologise to them and to any who read it.
There is no doubt that woman and her children should have been allowed to remain and indeed should be allowed to return.
---------------------
That does not change my view on those that should not be here, being booted out.
203

Lee John,

04/07/2009 21:12:08
244 James

Well done sir for retracting your previous statement. I do agree with you that ILLEGALS should not be here.
204

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:12:37
244 Fair comment, as long as immigration policies are applied humanely. That's really all people like me are asking for.
205

Lee John,

04/07/2009 21:13:49
Why is this site so slow? Every other page (apart from the Scotsman) loads in ultra quick time - especially with Firefox 3.5.
206

James (1),

04/07/2009 21:14:48
#242 I take it you never travel down to England?

If you compare here to there you would notice a huge difference.
There is more truth to Enoch's words than most will acknowledged. Why will it not be acknowledged?
Because you automatically become a racist or BNP member or Nazi for saying such things.
207

Lee John,

04/07/2009 21:14:50
246

Agreed. What a sensible comment.
208

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:17:23
248 Yep, am in London quite a lot. There may be plenty of black folks but they sure as hell don't have the upper hand.

And most of them were actually born here.
209

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:20:21
248 I can wholly understand why people in the south of England and other ares where there are concentrations of immigrants have concerns. I wouldn't call someone who is concerned about immigration a racist. But quite often in my experience one thing can lead to the other - and very often the people who make that jump do so because they have been manipulated.

210

James (1),

04/07/2009 21:27:21
#250 Enoch's (as if I knew him) speech was not a certainty that everything he said would happen. He got quite a few things right and only the rivers of blood part gets quoted.
As you say there are plenty of black people and not just in London but all over England. I am sure you will acknowledge there are now areas of England where the white man (Enoch's words) is the minority.
The law of averages mean some of the blacks are illegal. Those and only those are the ones I want kicked out this country. I personally do not care if they are black, white, pink or green nor how long they have been here.
Here illegally then out you go!
If on arrival you do not claim asylum then you cannot use it at a later time when caught. Out you go!
211

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 21:30:03
215
James (1)

"You are the one who wants to pick and choose who gets in."

Me? Where the hell did you get that idea? Not my job, sonny. So long as there is a fair and transparent system, efficiently administered with a little bit of human compassion, I'll be quite happy.

212

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 21:32:47
217
Big Jock McDoc

"All part of the game when debating with the left."

Nothing you neo-Nazis like better than sticking labels on people. sorting them into neat little categories so that it is easier for you to remember who you are supposed to be hating this week.

213

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:37:38
252 I know the speech off by heart now, because it is used as ''evidence'' by racist groups all the time. It is entirely de-constructable and easily evidenced in fact as mince. But I won't bore you because I think we may be talking at cross purposes here.

Although I want a fair and humane immigration policy I actually don't have strong opinions about how many people should, or should not, be allowed in. I think that is determined by economic circumstances anyway. When we have a global capitalist system we are going to have people going where the money is. So change the system if you don't like that.

But anti-immigration sentiements can easily lead to racism towards people who were born here who happen to have a different colour skin. That's what I don't like.
214

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 21:39:07
230
James (1)

"So the answer to this would be to open up the doors welcoming all?

Spoken like a true extremist.

215

James (1),

04/07/2009 21:40:50
#253 there is a fair and transparent system in place just now.
That is how the woman knew she could not stay and left. It was there in black and white. So she did the right thing (according to the rules) and left. Regardless of whether she should have gone or stayed and contested it, the system was in place.
You don't like that so want to ignore it and have her back. (That is you picking and choosing, if you could).
I know it is not your job but if it was then I believe you would pick and choose.

216

Allan(handofgod137),

04/07/2009 21:42:33
electric kermit, you're such an obvious sock puppet, when someone says "fist" you immediatly think it's a verb.
217

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 21:42:34
232
James (1)

"Now you want to promote the slave trade?"

Oops! There he goes! Right over the edge!

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218

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:44:34
258 Oh come on hand of god at least make an effort to debate.
219

Allan(handofgod137),

04/07/2009 21:47:14
260, observer, I'd happily enter into a war of wits with the troll, but I don't fight the unarmed.
220

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 21:48:19
Looked like a family which wanted to settle here. Put their kids in a local school and was deported by a penpusher.

If penpushers and Health & Safety penpushers were lined up against a wall, I would love to see the execution squad health & safety officer make sure the condemned were wearing hi-viz waistcoats, steel toecapped boots and hard hats and gloves as they were inducted to the wall of death.

As the firing squad lined up, the condemned would be offered safety glasses or a blindfold. There would then be a lengthy safety induction to the firing squad. Then, after all the health and safety paperwork had been signed, the penpushers would be shot.

Once all the paperwork had been processed the routine would continue.

221

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 21:49:24
245
Lee John

"I do agree with you that ILLEGALS should not be here."

Stating the bloody glaringly obvious.

222

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:50:13
261 Do they deliberately segregate themselves Jock ? That's the question. I think that the apartheid states which exist in some English Cities are a result of ''right on'' morons in Council housing departments vying with each other to be politically correct, in combination with ultra traditionalists in the muslim communities, who don't want to lose their power over people. A very weird and dangerous alliance.

But we haven't done that here, and there is no reason to think that we will.
223

James (1),

04/07/2009 21:54:30
#255 racist is what people get called when asking for border controls. The danger as you rightly highlight is that because we are so lax with immigration, anyone of a different colour is looked on with suspicion.
That is the fault of the current system. Those who are here legally and indeed were born here melt into one mass.
All persons who have come to this country to settle legallly should be made to have an ID card.
That way in time you would get rid of the illegals.
224

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 21:55:46
257
James (1)

"So she did the right thing (according to the rules) and left."

I am quite prepared to accept that this as much as you understand of this case.

225

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 21:56:44
266 Nope, experience Jock leads me to these views.
226

Fitba Krazy,

04/07/2009 21:57:02
242 Observer,

We were not invaded to the same degree as England who had the Romans and the Normans and Saxons although I find these titles rather amusing as all these areas are small compared to England and are therefore misnomers because there is no way they could just have come from those small areas.

The indigenous people of Scotland are descended from the Picts among others like the ancient Scottish and Irish tribes but I am also convinced that there is likely to be further ingredients from all over the world in the mix. How far do you go back? Well actually we all go back all the way and therefore are all related in some way so it's time we behaved as such although it is obvious that we have evolved at different rates through pure chance.

All this psh about survival of the fittest is nonsense as it's just our luck or bad luck, depending on our state of mind and environment, that we are here now as it is circumstantial. Fitness (of our ancestors) is only part of the equation as anyone of them could have been killed by pure chance and many were. If that had been at a different time many/most of us wouldn't be here now.

So we should appreciate it that we are even if there are many reasons to be depressed because of the actions of imbeciles causing unnecessary hassle.

Life is too short for all the wars and friction and those responsible have a lot to answer for, but most are now deid, so wtf is all the fighting for?

We obviously have a long way to go to reach real civilisation globally and wars and class difference is the wrong way altogether.

This woman and her family should be allowed back without hesitation.
227

James (1),

04/07/2009 21:59:53
#268 "I am quite prepared to accept that this as much as you understand of this case."

What does that sentence mean?
228

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 22:00:38
263
Jock Tamson

"If penpushers and Health & Safety penpushers were lined up against a wall..."

Spoken like an ignorant brat who never had to work at the sharp end before health and safety legislation.

229

James (1),

04/07/2009 22:00:54
#268 Are you going to provide some words and I have to put them in the right order?
230

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 22:01:58
267 You have more faith in ID cards than me. I just think it would be an unwarranted intrusion on law abiding citizens and criminals would just fake 'em.

But you are entirely right. By *apparently* losing control of the immigration and asylum system Labour have allowed the BNP to win a watch. And they've done it right on time for a recession, and it is in times like these where jobs are scarce that minorities will get the blame for everything.

Labour really are idiots.
231

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 22:03:59
271
James (1)

It means that there is more to this case than can be comprehended by those who think only in terms of rigid rules.

232

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 22:06:45
273
James (1)

"Are you going to provide some words and I have to put them in the right order?"

You're not ready for anything that challenging. Once you've mastered reading... who knows?

233

James (1),

04/07/2009 22:07:54
#276 Ah! I am just applying the rules and you don't like it?
There should always be exceptions of course and no doubt this lady and her children fall into that category.
234

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 22:08:05
270
Fitba Krazy

"This woman and her family should be allowed back without hesitation."

Correct!

235

James (1),

04/07/2009 22:08:23
#278 You must be thumping those keyboard keys by now? You are so gullible! The danger is that your type (gullible, not forgetful I hope) are normally so self opinionated that you cannot see when you are making an A hole of yourself. The moral high ground you take up is so starved of oxygen up there you do not think straight. The immigration issue is such a hot potato as you put it because it has been so badly managed. The goody two shoes type (which you are one) wants to let Tom, Dick and Ali in because you cannot envisage the problems it will cause and if you were honest you don’t care what problems is causes. That problem is for another day, as far as you are concerned.
236

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 22:08:24
270 We are Scottish because we have been born and bred here, and we choose to be Scottish. And some Scots have arrived and are new Scots, but if their future is here and their childrens future is here like Mrs Singh, then they are welcome to be Scottish too the way I see it. You can do that with a black skin just as easily as a white one.

237

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 22:09:21
279
James (1)

"There should always be exceptions of course and no doubt this lady and her children fall into that category."

Most of us came to that conclusion long ago.

238

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 22:10:08
236

It wasnt wasters and neo prats who disappeared in the old Soviet Union it was neo prats and wasters who caused folk to disappear in the old Soviet Union. A perfect example of extreme right wing conservatism hidden behind the lie of labelling the regime socialist. All for one and one for himself.
239

James (1),

04/07/2009 22:12:40
#268 "I am quite prepared to accept that this as much as you understand of this case."

The word was "is". Am I right? Come on tell me I am right?

I am quite prepared to accept that this IS as much as you understand of this case.

240

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

04/07/2009 22:13:14
James(1)

You said to me at #199

"I (for what it's worth) have no problem with this woman and her children being here."

Yet you have spent four hours on here conducting what amounts to a personal vendetta against her and her two children...lumping them in with illegal immigrants (which they are not), even invoking Enoch Powell and claiming you are motivated only by a love of rules.

I am not in the habit of Nazi divining and have no particular animosity toward racists, though I think they are misguided...but even I find it difficult to visualise you without one of HC's stick-on toothbrush moustaches.

241

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 22:14:01
275 Sorry I apologise for sense of humour bypass. Yes, I am a socialist, but a real one. Not one of your New Labour Islington dwelling Aga owning trendy lefties who talk mince. Nothing I said was right wing, it was the truth as I see it.
242

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 22:14:56
281
James (1)

"You must be thumping those keyboard keys by now?"

The pictures in your head are not real. They will go away once you get back on your meds.

"The goody two shoes type (which you are one) wants to let Tom, Dick and Ali in..."

There you go with the ludicrous straw man arguments again. It is idiots like you who obstruct rational discussion. Because you are incapable of being honest.

243

James (1),

04/07/2009 22:15:23
#283 a word to the wise! You can ignore the next bit as you don't fall into this category.
He loves to state the obvious!
244

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 22:18:57
282
Observer

Well said!

If anything, immigrants deserve more respect. I have no right to be "proud" of being Scottish. It took no effort on my part. Required no sacrifice.

The immigrant who has made the effort to come here and make a new life as a citizen of Scotland, often in the face of tremendous difficulty, has far more cause to be proud of their "Scottishness" than I.

245

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 22:21:49
289
Big Jock McDoc

"How can a Scottish ethnicity be a reality when the government peruses a policy of multiculturalism that celebrates folk being Scottish Muslims, Scottish Indians, Scottish ethnic minorities etc?"

People are innately complex. Why the hell shouldn't they celebrate different aspects of their ethnic, cultural or personal identity?

246

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 22:28:07
Immigration policy should be devolved. Immigration in England is at a different level to immigration throughout the rest of the UK. Scotland needs new immigrants England doesnt. England as a political entity is full and is at doesnt have the resources to keep up the level of immigration its undergoing at present. The rest of the UK is however a different kettle of fish our populations are stagnent and needs a boost. We should be encouraging the likes of this family to stay in Scotland especially as we already know they have integrated as well as can be expected.
247

James (1),

04/07/2009 22:29:49
#286 Where have you been? Try and keep up.
I have not as you say carried out any vendetta. If someone is not permitted to be here then I have no qualms about them being removed. That means anyone. What I am against are those that feel that if you get here you should be allowed to stay here. Totally disagree. The conversation moved on and other issues were introduced. The lady and children had nothing to do with Enoch Powell in the topic. You however are trying to cobble together some sort of connection. Either because you cannot comprehend what was said or have not read what was said or trying to score a cheap point by introducing the Nazi word into the conversation. Sad but true. I await your pearls of wisdom.
248

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 22:30:39
294
The Saltire

"Immigration policy should be devolved."

We're surely done with devolution by now. It's time to move on to secession.

249

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 22:31:30
289 Being Scottish is not an ethnicity. You just couldn't do that (even if you wanted to), we are as famously described a mongrel nation. That's what differentiates us from a lot of other nationalist movements, because ours is a civic nationalism, it has nothing to do with ethnicity, and we don't exclude anyone from joining our club.
250

James (1),

04/07/2009 22:32:41
#297 Oh really?
251

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 22:33:45
293

We have a regime which appears to be above its own laws. Gets "elected" by minority first past the post votes. Puts party before country and constituents.
Pays off its party doners with taxation revenues.
Supports foreign right wing extremist governments and adjusts its foreign policies to their benefit.

What do you think?
252

Fitba Krazy,

04/07/2009 22:35:14
277 Big Jock McDoc

Thanks for that, I am sure it will soon pass, bio-rhythms and all that jazz.

280 Electric Hermit

We agree, thank F(uschia) for that.

282 Observer, Colour should not be an issue.

We don't exactly get a choice.

But some people would fight with their shadow if no-one else was about.

I once bumped into a mirror in a disco and we said sorry pal at exactly the same time. What are the odds of that happening?



253

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 22:37:04
''Nobody is saying that folk shouldn't suppress aspects of their identity just to fit in, it's about having a shared identity with all the other folk around them.''

Yes exactly. And that's what we have.
254

The Saltire,

04/07/2009 22:37:28
296

I am referring to now in the future it will automatically become the responsiblity of a Scottish government.
255

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 22:38:02
299 You disagree ?
256

Jock Tamson,

04/07/2009 22:40:19
272, Electric Kermit

263 Jock Tamson

"If penpushers and Health & Safety penpushers were lined up against a wall..."

[Spoken like an ignorant brat who never had to work at the sharp end before health and safety legislation.]

My silent laughter is louder than your ignorance.
257

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 22:42:44
305 Really Jock ? Tell that to the relatives of people who died in the Stockline disaster or any of the other industrial deaths that happen every year.

Most of them were preventable and that's what health and safety is all about.
258

James (1),

04/07/2009 22:43:04
#304 sorry I have missed the point. Can you break it down for me as I think the wine is kicking in?
259

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 22:48:40
306 I don't want non-Scots to come to this country, and neither do I seek to prevent them. As I said I think these things happen due to economic circumstances. Scottishness as an ethnic group can't work because we are not an ethnic group. Most English people I know retain their sense of Englishness, most Asian Scots I know are passionate SNP supporters. I try not to be paranoid but sometimes I do think that the anti-Islam stuff is actually due to the fact that they all vote for us.
260

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 22:54:12
309 I think you are getting hung up on the ethnicity thing. In actual fact you can't presume an ethnicity that you don't have. Ethnicity can be important in medical terms, for example Afro Carribeans are far more prone to sickle-cell anemia which is one of the reasons why medical authorities ask for racial origin.

But racial origin, which is actually what ethnicity is, should not be mistaken for identity.

It's people's sense of identity that counts.
261

James (1),

04/07/2009 22:54:19
#310 I think you will find there is a distinct split in who gets membership to our club and who just gets in as a visitor.
I think you are hoping that there is no such ethnic group as the Scottish but you will find in reality there is such a strong group.
262

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:01:34
312 You are havering. Apart from the Gaels there is no distinct ethnic group in terms of racial origin.
263

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 23:01:39
Observer@307. Were you there when a trainee H&S "officer" told the 360 tracked excavator operator to use steps to get on and off his machine?

Doubt it. Doubt if you even understand what I mean about the ott H&S gestapo.
264

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:02:45
312 Unless you mean we're white, of course.
265

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:06:57
314 I was nowhere dear. Just google Workers Memorial Day to get some actual facts about industrial deaths. Like Stockline - preventable. The fact that, as I suppose you are implying, some interpretations of H+S regs can be a bit silly doesn't mean that we shouldn't have them.
266

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:07:06
298
Big Jock McDoc

Do you seriously imagine I'm impressed by your claim to superior knowledge and experience?

You talk of "having a shared identity". Apparently having completely forgotten your earlier reference to "Scottish Muslims, Scottish Indians..." etc.

You might also have mentioned Scottish Italians, Scottish Poles, Scottish Chinese and a myriad others.

Take a close look! Can you see what is "shared" here?

267

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:09:02
#315 yes I am. Whilst it is a fact Asians have been born here, they will always be looked on as visitors.
That is just a fact of life and is not meant as an insult or dig at them.
It is an unspoken fact of life that people like people who are just like them. That does not mean a white persons dislikes a black person. It means if given the free choice you will always pick your own.
268

Murray in Canada,

Salt Spring Island 04/07/2009 23:13:17
So what is Ms Harman going to do about this situation? One of the main questions in a debate of this sort is "What is the decent thing to do?"
269

Fitba Krazy,

04/07/2009 23:14:15
313 Observer,

Whit aboot the Tartan Army.

Seriously it's a complex of sets and subsets.

It's the same all over the world in varying degrees.

All of the Tartan Army, for example, don't identify with everything the same.

Some might also like cricket, although probably not many, and others will perhaps identify with one or other of the Old Firm while others hate the Old firm and wish they would FO, some like horse racing and others think that's animal cruelty. Some are Proddys and others are not, while some will go to Church and others would think they are daft. So ethnicity is largely variable.

270

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:14:36
''Whilst it is a fact Asians have been born here, they will always be looked on as visitors.''

Bolleaux. Absolute bolleaux.
271

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 23:16:51
Observer. The UK is post industrial. Now we moralise about China.

Health and Safety is a bigger scourge than immigration. Health & Safety is just a stealth tax.
272

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:18:52
320 It is the same all over the world. People who can't grasp multicultural identities and complicated stuff like that are living in the 1950's. Retro may be fashionable but that kind of retro I can do without.
273

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:19:42
#321 Perhaps it could be akin to gays or lesbians liking the same sex. They have (hopefully) nothing against the other sex, it is just a preference.
Whilst being sociable to all they stick to their own.

Why do you find this so unacceptable? Just because you deny it, does not mean it is not true.
We are in PC times and people are not really allowed to say what they feel and whilst perhaps unpalatable the fact of the matter is if you are not the same as the next man/woman you are not accepted as one of them.
274

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:21:40
306
Big Jock McDoc

"If only it worked that way."

Out here in the real world, that is EXACTLY how it works. I personally know, or have known, people from a wide range of ethnic backgrounds. Of those who have settled in Scotland, the vast majority consider themselves Scottish to a greater or lesser degree.

Sure! There are some who think of themselves as Pakistani Scots rather than Scottish Pakistanis (or whatever). But that's OK! The shared identity is there.

275

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 23:21:58
Talking about immigration attitudes, did anyone ever ask Tim Henman which team he would support in sporting events?
276

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:22:16
322 No it isn't entirely post industrial at all. And most of the deaths occur in factories or building sites. I tend to agree that making offices observe the same regs as mines is a bit silly, but you shouldn't dis the H+S law itself, as it is actually there to protect people.
277

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:23:12
#321 maybe a football supporter analogy would explain it better.
No matter how hard you try, you will never get one team supporter to support another team.
They may acknowledge their strengths but will never accept them as the same.
278

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 23:25:40
Yes, quite, Electric Hermit but have you ever been in the forces or the construction industry? The sharp end, you know?

Have you?
279

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:26:02
324 You have volunteered that you are a racist who views all people of Asian ethnicity as ''visitors''. Has anyone stopped you saying that ? Apart from your own sadly absent common sense.
280

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:27:33
318
James (1)

"Whilst it is a fact Asians have been born here, they will always be looked on as visitors."

By you, perhaps. But please don't get carried away with the notion that this is normal.

281

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:29:27
382 What are you blethering on about ? We are not in teams.
282

Fitba Krazy,

04/07/2009 23:30:21
323

I liked the 1950s

C'mon Everybody,

One o'clock two o'clock 3 o'clock Rock,

Good Golly Miss Molly, and all that Jazz.

Magic were the 1950s I would say.
283

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:30:30
318
James (1)

"It means if given the free choice you will always pick your own."

Given the free choice, I am likely to find more in common with the "black person" than with you. Assuming, of course, that the black person is not a nasty, small-minded bigot.

284

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 23:31:02
Observer. Sorry but testes. Or bolleaux. Most accidents are caused by nanny statism taking over from common sense and the imported blame culture being put in the charge of compensation lawyers.
285

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:33:37
#330 Why are you trying to twist what I have said? Why will you not just accept that the vast majortiy of people only like their own kind?
Do you think for example Asians all live together because they are afraid to live anywhere else?

I have said that the (white) majority of Scotland do not accept Asians as being Scottish even though they are born here. Why does that make me the bad guy? Is it because it is easier for you to blame me than accept the truth of what I am saying. If so then crack on!
Regarding anyone stopping me from saying it. Why should they? It's true. Only you won't admit it because you have rose tinted glasses on.

Don't shoot the messenger! I never said it was right, I only said it was a fact!
286

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:33:52
333 I wasn't around in the fifties but I would say the best thing about it was Elvis and the emergence of rock'n'roll. Now that was a multicultural thing.
287

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:34:08
324
James (1)

"We are in PC times and people are not really allowed to say what they feel..."

For all the "PC" bogeymen that haunt your imagination, nobody is stopping you from spouting your racist drivel.

288

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 23:34:50
C'mon, Electric Hermit. Ever been in the forces or construction?

Or are you just a penpusher?
289

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:36:27
#332 Psst! What is it I am going to say in #382?
290

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:37:15
335 Why are you talking rubbish ? You must know fine well that there is a demonstrable difference in the construction industry between those sites which are unionised and observe h+s, and those sites which are not.



291

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:40:17
340 Typo dear - feel free to answer.
292

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 23:41:24
Observer, what can I say?

A unionised construction site? Never been on one and I'm 60.
293

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:42:21
#338 I think you are being a wee bit naive to put it mildly.
You cannot look at people now without them becoming "shocked" or "offended" and "outraged".

You cannot prefer anything (openly)it all has to be done as a game. Everyone is judged on their merit for a position. Which if this were true you need to consider how truthful certain section of the population are about being victimised. Don't tell me they would lie?
294

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:43:44
#342 please tell me you are female!
295

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:44:44
329
Jock Tamson

I worked in some of the industries with the worst safety records prior to the introduction of H&S legislation in the early 70s. I also worked on implementation of H&S regulations in a particularly high-risk environment.

That is why I know you are talking a load of irresponsible sh*te. idiots like you would turn the clock back fifty years. Why? Because you think it's macho to strut around a building site with no hard hat.

Your attitude gets people killed and injured. It always has. The difference now is that you are likely to be held accountable for your stupidity. That's what you don't like.

296

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:46:36
343 I had a mate who worked on the Channel Tunnel. The amount of avoidable deaths on that was amazing. He was a union guy and he got sacked. Well, draw your own conclusions.

H+S law is not silly. It's just a bloody shame for a lot of dead guys that we can't enforce it.
297

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:47:43


"...the vast majortiy of people only like their own kind?2

My "own kind" are human beings.

You must be very lonely.

298

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:50:14
345 No I'm a great big hairy man in a kilt and I like you.

Actually no, I am in fact a female.
299

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:52:11
336
James (1)

"I have said that the (white) majority of Scotland do not accept Asians as being Scottish even though they are born here."

By what rght do you claim to speak for "the (white) majority of Scotland"? Certainly, there are ignorant bigots like yourself everywhere. But just because other ignorant bigots are the only people who will associate with you don't go believing that this makes them the majority.

Trust me on this! The majority are avoiding you like a disease.

300

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:52:26
#348 Well said! I assume the 2 was actually meant to be "?
Take off two marks.

Perhaps you have explained why your "I'd like to teach the world to sing" types don't quite understand why people of various ethnic groups do not actually like one another? Tolerate but not really like.
That would explain the failure to understand!
301

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:54:55
344
James (1)

"You cannot look at people now without them becoming "shocked" or "offended" and "outraged"."

This is your affliction, sad boy. Please don't wish it on the decent folks.

302

Fitba Krazy,

04/07/2009 23:56:31
337 Observer,

That was one of them, for me, being born in the early-mid 50s, it was there was hardly any cars and you could play in the street, at mainly football in our case, until the late 60s.

It wasn't quite as multi-cultural then but it did exist.
303

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:57:14
#350 you wish? What I fail to understand is why you are unwilling to concede what I am saying is true?

Why do you always revert to insults (check previous posts for confirmation) when someone disagrees with you?
I am making an observation based on years of living in Scotland. I am not trying to prove myself right. I am just stating it as I see it.
Stop getting all defensive. It is not your fault the general public do not like people who are different to them.
You are no Mr Atlas. Your support of the world is not important.
304

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/07/2009 23:57:31
Electric Kermit, I am not not talking excretum. Your experience (and I doubt it is your experience) is rather vague. What is your "sharp end" cv?

Observer, see above. Work "at the sharp end" and then comment on the stupidity of H&S.
305

Electric Hermit,

04/07/2009 23:59:07
351
James (1)

"I assume the 2 was actually meant to be "?"

It's called a typo, sonny. Grown-ups deal with such things without much difficulty.

"Perhaps you have explained why your "I'd like to teach the world to sing" types don't quite understand why people of various ethnic groups do not actually like one another? Tolerate but not really like."

This is YOUR ignorance. That you imagine it to be normal is just another aspect of your unfortunate condition.

306

James (1),

04/07/2009 23:59:13
#352 I am guessing you are gay!
307

Observer,,

Glasgow 04/07/2009 23:59:42
355 Respond to my post at 347 please.
308

James (1),

05/07/2009 00:02:13
#356 Well if it is my imagination then why are so many minority groups lying about being picked on and victimised?
Why are they telling so many lies?
309

Observer,,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 00:03:42
353 I was born in 65. We could still play in the streets then too. The world has changed, it might not be for the better, in many ways I think it's for the worse, a sense of community is sadly lacking, but that ain't the fault of immigrants. In many ways they are more community minded than most of us.
310

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2009 00:04:04
358, Observer. Could you give the details of the deaths and how they were avoidable?
311

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 00:04:36
354
James (1)

"What I fail to understand is why you are unwilling to concede what I am saying is true?"

That is very far from being the only thing you fail to understand. You do not understand, for example, that what you say is "true", is only true for you because you are an ignorant bigot. Not all people are ignorant bigots. Therefore, your "truth" does not hold for everyone.

"Why do you always revert to insults (check previous posts for confirmation) when someone disagrees with you?"

It's not because you disagree with me. It's because you disgust me. Understand that, if nothing else.

You are a freak. You do not speak for the "general public".

312

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 00:06:15
355
Jock Tamson

"Electric Kermit"

Another dumb cyber-kiddy opts out of the adult discussion.

313

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 00:08:32
357
James (1)

"I am guessing you are gay!"

Sorry! But don't give up. Plenty more fish in the sea, as they say.



314

James (1),

05/07/2009 00:08:42
#360 what do you mean, a sense of community? Go to any major city and you get a black community or a chinese community or a white community.
The council have helped with this by locating different ethnic group of the same type living together.
Do they need to integrate? Definitely not! Why should they? Where is the need?
315

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2009 00:09:14
Life would be a lot easier if posters put names to numbers. It also helps when they change the numberings.

It's polite as well.
316

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 00:11:01
359
James (1)

"Well if it is my imagination then why are so many minority groups lying about being picked on and victimised?"

Last "minority group" I noticed whining about being being picked on and victimised"" was you.

317

James (1),

05/07/2009 00:14:02
#364 I apologise for thinking you were gay!

The insults I was speaking about was for anyone who has a different opinion than yours. (Yet another fact you fail to recognise?)

I consider myself to be a realistic type of person. You on the other hand I consider to be an eternal optimist.
One of us is going to end up disappointed.
All I can say to you is keep you chin up.
318

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2009 00:14:30
363, Electric Kermit.

{355
Jock Tamson

"Electric Kermit"

Another dumb cyber-kiddy opts out of the adult discussion.}

Try engaging in some with me.

Until then reap as you sow.

319

James (1),

05/07/2009 00:16:54
#367 If you are being honest with yourself (go on give it a try) you will find that I am by no means in any minority.
(Good attempt however to get round answering the question. Give yourself two credit points!)

However if you could tell me why these ethnic groups are lying I would be grateful.
320

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 00:29:33
368
James (1)

"I apologise for thinking you were gay!"

No need to apologise. Somewhere on that long, long list of things you don't understand is the fact that being mistaken for a homosexual is not at all offensive for people who are secure in their personal identity. Especially when the mistake is made by someone with a proven propensity for making huge assumptions on the basis of nothing more substantial than their own ignorance and prejudice.

"The insults I was speaking about was for anyone who has a different opinion than yours."

Did I not already explain this to you? I rejoice in the fact that we disagree. I find great reassurance in being in total disagreement with small-minded bigots.

You'll pardon me if I am disinclined to take advice from a brain-dead racist.

321

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 00:31:33
370
James (1)

"However if you could tell me why these ethnic groups are lying I would be grateful."

Why do you imagine I might be able to explain the contents of your deranged mind?

322

Fitba Krazy,

05/07/2009 00:32:27
360

I would say it was a lot better then and the world has taken a wrong path.

There definitely was more of a community spirit in the City than now and a lot less visible greed and corruption, although there were a few bams around.

Unfortunately, perhaps as the effects of WW2 have worn off, there appears to be a return to selfish classism, more so since the New Lab mob appeared and political doublespeak appears to have got worse and there has been to some degree a polarisation probably due to the loss of heavy industry and manufacturing to initially the Japanese and now also China and others.

We have definitely lost the plot due to a lack of re-investment then and now have to catch up where as then we were ahead but stagnant.

There are now too many in non-producing jobs and too few actually doing the real work to pay for it.

Hence the crippling debt, although because of modern technology we are better off in many ways but have lost a lot of trust between people and society appears to be in more of a hurry.

Not yet as bad as London and hopefully never will be.
323

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 00:37:27
373
Fitba Krazy

"I would say it was a lot better then and the world has taken a wrong path."

The thing we all dread as teenagers has happened to you. You have started to sound like your father.

324

James (1),

05/07/2009 00:37:32
#372 Again I apologise. I would have thought that someone such as you would have been tuned in to the hurt suffered by our (eh! eh!) fellow Scots. When they say they are victims of racial abuse I thought you would feel their pain. (If it was real) But given you say we are all teaching the world to sing, is it not possible they are lying? Attention seeking as it were?
325

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 00:39:03
375
James (1)

"But given you say we are all teaching the world to sing..."

I said that? Where?

326

James (1),

05/07/2009 00:43:08
#376 Is that not your philosophy? Wrong again!

Well you win! I am now convinced by the strength of you argument (and your insults) we all get on great with one another and acceptance is the norm. It is pure fantasy to suggest that Scottish white people have anything in their hearts except love and understanding for our ethnic brethren. Especially those born here, we love them more if that were possible. It would be easier to find a dodo egg than find a white Scottish male who dislikes our ethnic Scots. How could I have been so wrong? Racial harmony is all around and racial hatred is confined to the history books. Your views on life have changed me! So now it is off to bed and I am hoping the tooth fairy comes tonight. Well, we can all fantasise? Is that not right? It may even be a Scottish tooth fairy.
I bid you goodnight!
327

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 00:47:48
377
James (1)

"Is that not your philosophy?"

I don't think I'd identify with a philosophy that can be summed up in the lyrics of a soft drink ad.

The rest is just gibberish. Obviously way past your bedtime.

328

Fitba Krazy,

05/07/2009 00:49:36
374, Electric Hermit.

Yeah Perhaps, when I was a teenager I was a football player and musician and couldn't give a about politics.

I just thought they were all crazy in the middle East and didn't be bother separating them into their specific identities as it seemed confusing at the time.

You live and learn,

Then die and forget it all.
329

enmuffins,

carlsbad 05/07/2009 12:36:49
#44 Your quote said:
The London borough of Newham filled its old folks homes according to the race of the applicant, eg Muslim, Hindu, Afro caribbean, Chinese etc"
This seems to be ablout 'religion' not race and I'm wondering whether Christians were included.
330

James (1),

05/07/2009 14:37:23
#378 You are right of course! Who could possibly believe that there will ever be harmony between different cultures. It is ludicrous. You would need to be one of those tree hugging types to believe such nonsense.
However do you not think that if, as you profess, we all get on that certain groups would need to be lying?
The only reason for this is that either you are lying about this harmony thing or they are lying about the abuse they get?

Now I ask this knowing that when posed with a difficult question you will resort to abuse but we live in hope. Perhaps you might, just once, actually answer a question?
Stranger things have happened, go on give it a try.
331

Electric Hermit,

05/07/2009 16:21:48
381
James (1)

"...if, as you profess, we all get on..."

I professed no such thing, of course. To the very limited extent that you have any argument at all, it is entirely based on lies.

Although I'm no longer sure that you can distinguish your own lies from reality.

332

James (1),

06/07/2009 10:16:14
#382 you are giving out mixed messages here so would you be kind enough to clarify?
Do mixed groups get on or do we not get on?
Make a stand. Give an answer and try an stick with it!

The reason I ask this, is one minute you are making out we are all one big happy family and the next we are not.

Are you one of those people who change their view depending on whom you are speaking with or the day of the week?
You certainly want to change rules as and when you feel like it. Rule states woman and children should not be here.
Your view is, wait a minute I don't like that rule today so lets change it.
Remember it's Monday so use that days opinion. I will ask the same question tomorrow to see how you answer it.
333

Sterrence,

UK 27/07/2009 15:56:21
#363 James (1) says "Are you one of those people who change their view depending on whom you are speaking with or the day of the week?"

I couldn't agree more. We're full of those type of people, and I don't know why a lot of people simply just don't investigate a lot of stuff on their own.


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All I can say... Scotland will not be a multicultural testing ground like England has been. If the Scottish people, and that is the natives of Scotland are not protected, I fear for the future of those whom brought it about.
334

Sterrence,

UK 27/07/2009 16:19:44
#95 Big Jock McDoc says "The article is about how Labour imported Labour because it was unable or unwilling to deal with the problem of 5 million UK unemployed/economically inactive."


I don't just blame Labour, because every little pip squeak in Parliament can do something, no matter how radical it may sound! and that includes all those Scots!
Scotland, fortunately it has not been a multicultural testing ground as long as England has. I spoke too soon, we are on route to be. I predict that segregation will be out of control, as it already is.

If people cannot come to the UK and accept our laws, learn our language etc, then why on Earth come? Yes they get benefits, and NHS and education and all the help they need to, even if they are illegal, or commit crimes (minority don't). It's hard to accept, just like the UK is now building a prison in Nigeria, which we should all know will be a complete waste! Anyhow, I know we have a lot of criminals and scum of our own, which we should be dealing with, rather than given them holiday camps.
But when We have to go to another Country and build a prison or 2 because of criminals of that nation commit crimes in ours, is just absurd.

Scotland, and the rest of the UK have to start getting to grips on Immigration now, or it will be too late, as radical changes would be needed and none of these parties apart from one or two would be willing to do that.

Britain, and every kingdom in it has to get to grips with unemployment rates now, including those amongst the Young. Our parties have been ignoring and not doing enough! We spend vast amounts of our money abroad, while our people are being spoon fed. If people are willing to just sit by and curse and blame our unemployed, then your only contributing to the demise of this nation!

 

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