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Published Date: 10 November 2007
IT IS critically endangered and given a maximum "level five" conservation rating by the Marine Conservation Society. But now, thanks to a bungle by the celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay, sales of skate are soaring.
Ramsay urged television viewers to stop eating cod, of which stocks are low, and buy skate instead, as there was "plenty" in the sea.

Yesterday furious marine environmentalists insisted the common skate was "critically endangered". They fear that Ramsay's remark could spark a rush for the fish, similar to the "Delia" effect, when recipes by the celebrity cook Delia Smith caused a run on limes and cranberries.

Speaking on last week's Friday Night with Jonathan Ross chat-show, Ramsay said: "It's really important to eat skate because it is sustainable. There are plenty of them and it's easy to collect them. It's delicious."

He warned viewers off cod, adding: "You have got to slow down with it. Cod stocks are diminishing."

Yesterday, Richard Harrington, of the Marine Conservation Society (MCS), said

: "It would be good if Gordon Ramsay would clarify his statements publicly. To eat skate on a large scale would not be a good recommendation. I think he may have got mixed up with plaice, flounder or another kind of flat fish."

Mr Harrington dismissed claims by fishing industry leaders that fish labelled skate is often ray, which is not endangered.

He said the MCS believed larger types of skate and ray, including the long-nosed, blond, sandy, and black and white variants, are also regarded as at-risk and best avoided by consumers.

He said: "Some species are relatively stable, but some are definitely not, especially the larger skate and rays.

"None make it on to our recommended list, partly because it is very difficult to identify them separately when they are caught on deck and partly because we have concerns about their management."

Last night, a spokesman for Greenpeace warned that Ramsay could cause severe damage to stocks of the fish if people followed his advice.

He said: "We need celebrity chefs and opinion formers to be really clued-up before they speak publicly about this."

Scottish fishmongers said the fish was not popular north of the Border.

Sean Corrigan, a director of wholesale fishmongers Bernard Corrigan, in Glasgow, said: "We could get skate, but we wouldn't sell much of it up here."

Tom Clyde, sales manager for Peter Ranaldi in Edinburgh, said: "The Scottish taste is very different from England. Haddock is the most popular fish in Scotland by a country mile, and we don't expect that to change."

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1

Conan,

Moffat 10/11/2007 01:12:36

I would love to hear Mr. Ramsey's reply (after the Grandkids are down for the night, with their door closed).

2

Scullion,

Canada 10/11/2007 02:00:26

If all it took was one sentence uttered by a chef to get people to change eating habits, he should have said, "Nuclear waste is delicious, especially when washed down with acid rain."

3

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 10/11/2007 04:03:16

-- as there was "plenty" in the sea

Fishermen have been throwing them back, dead, into the sea under the current DEFRA regs.

There's a fair amount of cod in the sea too.

Commercial fisherman are only fishing to the extent that anything's marketable. I think we need to organise into producers' regional groups and tell the UK Government (who only think of money - theirs!) to **** off.

4

Miles,

Better Awy from Glasgow 10/11/2007 06:27:13

Skate is superb - but difficult to find now in any fishmongers. At sea very large skate 'barn doors' are put back because they are not considered edible - too much ammonia or whatever .

Good on Gordon, are there any fishmongers in south east Scotland selling it?

What happened to Red Gurnard? That used to be cheap to buy, easy to cook and wonderful to eat.

5

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BiGAL1967,

Perth 10/11/2007 08:32:38

I can't help but feel that Greenpeace would rather we all starved as long as we "Save The Planet".
Bringing these comments to everyones attention will only encourage people to buy skate.
If cod, salmon, skate, mackerel etc are all endangered why are we being encouraged to eat fish.
Why not all become vegetarians like our pc pals at Greenpeace.
Then they would come up with a campaign to serve, sorry save the parsnip.

7

Susarah,

South Africa 10/11/2007 08:47:03

If all it took to change people's eating habits permanently was a single comment by a single chef on a single programme, why the drive against obesity throughout the world? Wake up, smell the coffee and eat what's available. Which skate certainly isn't in my part of the world, regardless of Ramsay's recommendations.

8

Balliol II,

East Lothian 10/11/2007 08:50:08

I am not a member of Greenpeace but I think BiGAL1967 will find that if we don't save the planet then we will all starve.

9

Jings Crivens,

Paisley 10/11/2007 09:18:01

Its seem the posters forget the sales surge that hit super markers after TV chefs use/mention a product on TV. As the article mentioned the rush for eggs after delia's programme

These people have more of effect on the public than teh govenrment, Jamie Olivers school dinners had more of an impact that all the Government efforts

10

Pinelands,

CAPE TOWN 10/11/2007 09:35:07

#5 Boy wonder

My feelings for this ghastly person is zero
probabably more thans yours #5

We know exactly what the gaps mean.

You lose all your credibility when you revert to the foul lanquage he uses.

When you down a guy like him tell him in words how decent people behave and not his gutter lanquage

But what do you expect Ramsey, he thought he was a footballer as well

11

bythesea,

10/11/2007 10:18:01

#7 #13 - Bass were considered a nuisance fish until a certain celebrity chef decided to call them 'sea bass' and now most places offer plate sized 'pan fried sea bass'.

I have no problem with eating fish - just at that size they haven't had a chance to breed, so everytime anyone sits down to eat one they are actually contributing to the extinction of the species.

For any other food you eat, maintaining a strong breeding stock is of paramount interest to the producers - unfortunately not the case where fish are concerned.

Enjoy fish by all means, just make sure they've had a chance to breed - have a look at the Give Fish A Chance sizes on www.ssacn.org and get some idea of what they should be.

12

WJohn,

10/11/2007 10:37:33

Skate mooth!

13

Boy Wonder,

10/11/2007 11:13:59

#11. Pinelands ... pardon me but when reading my posts you should be aware I tend to use my sense of humour a lot in writing them.

The last eight words in sentence 3 of the paragraph ... says it all. It was never about credibility!

14

Toast,

10/11/2007 11:28:45

As E.E.Gill the food critic said,"Gordon Ramsay,first class chef,second class person"

15

Pinelands,

CAPE TOWN 10/11/2007 11:29:16

#16 Boy Wonder

Slightly stand corrected.

As I still have a little more space on this board

Ramsys even worse than I thought

16

AVRENIM,

back in France 10/11/2007 11:34:00

How is it that you can buy skate and chips in Chippies in England when it is never seen on the menu where fish suppers are served with SAUCE?

17

Sons of Andrew,

Johannesburg 10/11/2007 11:37:09

Boy Wonder. Don't worry about it. Capetonians are too busy overcharging tourists, and complaining about 'Vaalies' (Johannesburgers) to have time to develop a sense of humour. ;-)

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Pinelands,

CAPE TOWN2 10/11/2007 13:25:19

##20 Sons of Andrew

If f***K S**T ETC is humour okay

Fantastic great laugh, cracking up with the total humour of it all.

Out of interest you are the type who just read what they want to read.

Check back and you would have read that I stood corrected with #5 Boy Wonder.

I just felt with guys like Ramsey we can do him down without the effect of the lanquage he only knows how to express himself.

Another point it would appear that you were on holiday in Cape Town.

Had you read the newspapers you would have read that most letters to the papers are the complaints from the residents about the prices soaring just for the tourist.

With the miserable salaries they get here they are unable to buy the food etc because the restaurant owners etc are making a fortune.

Its because of these bandits that are charging the over the top prices that the poor residents suffer,

So dont say the Capetonian are to busy conning the tourist to have a sense of humour.

Apart from all that the exchange rate is very high
when you change the sterling into rand things are quite cheap or do you want your holiday for free.

I have only lived here for twelve months so I know that its quite cheap compared with the uk.

19

MtnKat,

10/11/2007 13:52:00

21 Get a grip
Boy Wonder was lampooning Ramsey.
Need I point out to you that Ramsey is noted for his use of the F Word

20

Last fish in the Clyde,

Clyde 10/11/2007 14:23:36

In the 60s & early 70s whether fishing or diving, Skate & Rays were common in the Clyde.
I hav'nt seen one in 15 years,
& I,m either on or under the sea 120 days per year.
All Sharks & Rays don't breed until older than other fish & then in very small numbers.

21

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10/11/2007 14:33:30
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 10/11/2007 14:50:20

"Recently we had a skate ban imposed in our area, even the stocks have always been very healthy. This forced the local fleet to dump 100s of boxes and tens of thousands of pounds of large marketable skate back into the sea."

"Cod, I'm afraid is out of reach for under 10M boats."

"I phoned the MFA and asked how I would go about leasing cod as I have been throwing dead cod back since June."

From the "Fishing News" 2nd of November.

23

Mary Ann Fraser, of Lovat, Sawant,

USA 10/11/2007 14:52:00

I don't really care about Ramsay's foul mouth. As Fox first aired Hell's Kitchen, I thought he was an idoit actor, and not really a chef at all. I never heard of him until a few television seasons ago. But now I'm glued to my television every time he on there.

I have been a professional trained chef in this business since l983, and I've gone through a lot of idoit bosses. Only two of which I've ever had some respect for. All of them were polite in a sedistic sort of way. They were more there to critize you and hurt your chances in life in this business then help you like chef Gordon Ramsay.

Today I am out of the Hell's Kitchen's of America. Gordon made me realize I put up with too much in this industry, and ended up with nothing out of it. Gordon had the guts to express his fustrations and get somewhere's in life. He wasn't a nice guy, but I was very nice and kicked around. If only I had a boss like Gordon, Smart, funny, creative, Real, and self-giving of himself, then perhaps I still be in this business

24

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 10/11/2007 15:33:26

I cook, but don't buy cookbooks. Yet I was impressed by Jamie Stone on the TV. I liked his no nonsense approach. It's a job, like plumbing or carpentry and you have to learn how to handle the tools.

25

Pinelands,

CAPE TOWN 10/11/2007 15:54:16

#22MNKAT

Why i'm responding to you I dont know

we know what Boy Wonder was doing without you explaining

I just thought for idiots like Ramsey we could just do it in a more sutle way

Can you not understand that

We have to have alternative means to get our point across, like you, I did not want to do it crudely.

If we put everything across like Wonder Boy you know doubt would be in your element

Now let it rest

26

Isabel,

10/11/2007 16:33:29

I woudn't eat many of the things Gordon Ramsay thinks are delicious, especially skate and pollock. These two fish are some of the most disgusting things I've ever tasted.

27

Mikko,

Mikko Takala 10/11/2007 17:28:05

Poor Gordon doesn't know his skate from his ray. Why am I not ****ing surprised?

28

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/11/2007 18:00:11

Can Raymond Hainey please get off his butt and talk to the fishermen who land the fish instead of talking idly to his monger in Glasgow and then considering balancing it out with a quick call to a conveniently located one in Edinburgh?

29

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/11/2007 18:05:28

When I was working in Tollcross, Glasgow, up until March this year, the chippie opposite the site sold fish suppers at lunchtime at a reduced rate.

Certainly wasn't haddock. But it was called fish.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/11/2007 18:10:03

So far, in my opinion, Ramsay has been the worst presenter of Have I Got News For You?

Character says a lot for ability.

31

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Prolific 10/11/2007 18:31:20

#14. bythesea

Good points about breeding stock, and bass (same goes for mackerel, which I was brought up to regard as bait, like mussels) ... That description "sea bass" is nothing but a chef's concoction. As for "pan- fried" ... how the hell else are you supposed to fry food? (Basket-fried pond bass sounds just the ticket for a barbie.)

I was born and raised by the sea and come from a long line of NE fishing stock. Haddock is still my favourite fish, although I recall from boyhood that whiting (where are they now?) was the chip-shops' fish of choice. Cod is vile.

Gross media over-exposure has rendered Ramsay - NOT Ramsey, some of you folks above - a massive pain where it hurts. And don't you just get tired of hearing him described as that "former Glasgow Rangers player"?

#17. Toast
It's A. A. Gill not E. E. ...

32

pone300,

10/11/2007 18:44:34

Ther's no need to f***ing swear.

33

Makes Sense,

10/11/2007 21:04:05

Richard Harrington, of the Marine Conservation Society "I think he may have got mixed up with plaice, flounder or another kind of flat fish."

My god you may be right. Gordon Ramsey a guy who has cooked thousands of fish of all kinds in his life thinks a skate is plaice or flounder.

Shut up you nutcase.

The most common skate in British seas is the Thornback Ray, you see there are many types of skate.
Had he said the common skate that would be different.....he never so another non story....

34

Danielrober2,

In London for work 10/11/2007 21:10:36

I'm a fan of the Gordon. I also like his style, after all some times you just want to say it as you think it.

Also if fiherfolk are to earn a better living from the sea we need to eat a beter variety of fish and pay more. Sounds like Gordon Ramsey is doing his bit and dom is'nt he good at it. F........g great.

35

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 10/11/2007 22:11:26

-- As for "pan- fried" ... how the hell else are you supposed to fry food?

I went and demolished a haddock in Inversnek from the Mallaig chip shop.

But they're generally better poached wi leeks.

36

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/11/2007 23:06:14

Wonder what Ramsay calls the fish on his menu? Fish?

37

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/11/2007 23:10:11

Succulent fillet of flat fish on a bed of Tesco's finest salad leaves, drizzled with Lidl olive oil = £25.00

But think of the company you are keeping.

38

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 10/11/2007 23:15:41

Is there any truth in the rumour that Gordon Ramsay is going to put German chichen soup on his menu and that the translation has been modified to call it Hunnerbrew?

39

Pete39,

tassy 10/11/2007 23:53:28

I used to eat skate during the war when I was a kid. Poached in milk with a slab of butter on top. We eat it but would not go overboard about it. Haddock, lemon sole(or flounders), herring and fresh caught mackerel. The mackerel was a delicious fish but had to be bled when you caught it.

40

not just humans matter,

Australia 11/11/2007 01:10:08

It is indeed a very sad day when the only reason we consider the animal and plant life is when we have taken so much we are at risk of exterminating them all. And even then we are not looking at our actions and questioning our right to commit such heinous crimes against animal life, but asking what the hell will we have with our chips?

And it is just so we can fill our mouths and crap it out the other end.

Humans are the garbage gut's of the world. We consider nothing else but ourselves with no regard to the suffering of other species.

'Chefs' are one of the worst. So long as they can see a 'taste bud or $$ benefit' they dont give a toss.

Time for us ALL to slow down our eating or the dead and rotting and start to examine closely what the hell we are doing. If we want to truely progress into decent human beings then we must change our eating habits.

41

BiGAL1967,

Perth not Western Oztralia 11/11/2007 01:44:49

Well said N042.
I think we have to consider what we are going to leave for future generations.
Cod, Salmon Sea bass and other such farms have to be considered to encourage wild fish to survive.
The River Tweed has shown catches that exceed any since records began!!due to banning netting and catch and return policies,
This is I hope a way to a brighter future.
People are far more aware of conservation and with help of Ghillies, gamekeepers and lanowners Scotland should be able to protect it's wild fisheries.

42

SEXYCHEF,

11/11/2007 11:09:50

I think you are being a bit harsh in some of your comments! Gordon is a fantastic chef and buisness man, who has given employment in his company to hundreds of people who have worked for him for years in some cases.
His food and service in his restaurants is incredible, i challenge any one to get better, especially for the price.
Gordon has avery good variety of fish on his menu, i dont really think he would get mixed up with varietys do you ?
Im sure if he has made a mistake about what he has said he would be the first to hold up his hands. May be some one should mention it too him.
This guy has done so much for an industry that always classed as second rate for that we must be thankfull.

43

bythesea,

11/11/2007 12:31:37

#45 Common Skate used to be caught all around the Scottish coastline, they are now limited to a very few locations.

He has probably confused skate with rays, and again other that a few localized stocks the vast majority of the species in Scottish waters are commercially extinct.

He may have done wonders for your industry, but he and his 'sea bass' cohorts certainly do nothing for species of fish at risk.

www.ssacn.org

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James F,

East Ren 12/11/2007 00:04:55

Maybe Gordon should stick to installing computer systems, like in the ad.


 

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